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請問院長,這個部分是不是院長承諾來協助?"},{"start":186.505,"end":209.798,"text":"好首先向委員表示歉意因為在一樣的時間我們總能走的就是有限的空間所以總統也好副院長也好我跟我也好我們就在上個禮拜六禮拜天跑了一些地方那很抱歉的是上個禮拜我們又有國慶的各種外賓的來訪等等又有其他又有總諮詢我是在沒有辦法分身乏術這點真的是抱歉不過委員放心所有的"},{"start":211.239,"end":227.179,"text":"風災之後的補助的標準,我們都照過去一樣的來執行,一樣的來執行,你要講最後那一點,就是是不是可以有加兩萬,這個我們對淹水50米以上的,我們都有這樣加,50米以下我們也加5000,我記得。"},{"start":228.3,"end":228.32,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":249.053,"end":254.514,"text":"謝謝副長非常正面的答覆那我想以上是颱風過後我們希望中央能夠立即來協助的部分那接下來我想要再跟院長來請教說針對今年0403強震之後加上連續的颱風造成花東地區的觀光產業一落千丈"},{"start":275.098,"end":294.532,"text":"在這次我們進一步公布最新的電價調整方案中﹐有看到專門來協助花園的旅宿業者﹐這個部分本席非常地贊同。 院長其實花東本是一體﹐政府在補助的過程裡面﹐要雪中種碳﹐不是雪上加霜﹐如果"},{"start":295.353,"end":307.983,"text":"花蓮受創,臺東也嚴重。 這部分也是請院長回去務必跟我們相關部會來研議,臺東縣能夠比照花蓮給予臺東的旅宿業者來協助,幫助他們走過難關。 院長畢竟臺東的產業非常單純,一個是農業一個就是觀光,這部分院長是不是能夠來允諾?"},{"start":313.899,"end":337.69,"text":"好,是的,原來如果不是颱風的因素,所以我也跟委員約好了要去臺東,瞭解臺東的產業,臺東各種的農產,以及臺東這個當地在0403之後花蓮影響跟臺東影響的狀況,我們會全力來協助,花蓮有的,臺東就會有。謝謝院長,院長本期可以當地培,找中國人地培就可以。好,我們一起,一起。"},{"start":338.991,"end":339.572,"text":"請教育部長備詢"},{"start":358.237,"end":381.109,"text":"來部長好 委員好部長本席首先要為臺東的學子來請命之前有一個新聞就是臺東高中的學生是穿著襪子在游泳池上游泳課那因為原因就是因為這個游泳池老舊池底有這個死灰質沉澱所以導致學生在游泳的時候腳都會化傷那學校沒辦法的情況就是先穿襪子去上游泳課這件事情其實在新聞也被報導過"},{"start":382.21,"end":399.695,"text":"那另外呢,就是我們臺東女中的這個紅土跑道操場損毀的問題,它不只損毀,還有包括還有坑道,那每次東北氣風來就是塵土飛揚,那雨後還會積水,造成學生運動會容易受傷。那今年6月份的時候,本期在委員會質詢部長的時候,部長也答應,"},{"start":401.957,"end":420.516,"text":"來全力協助這邊先謝謝部長但就本席了解目前兩間學校已經提報了相關的改善經費給教育部那分別是臺東高中游泳池改善經費是1000萬元那臺東女中的操場改善經費是1500萬元請問我們部裡面什麼時候會通過核定另外是不是能夠全額來補助"},{"start":423.589,"end":450.752,"text":"謝謝委員關心因為確實上一次的那一個有關游泳池穿襪子那一個確實是學校在整個那一個溺水的一個系統它出的狀況那當時他們並沒有針對這一個整個這一個問題提出申請所以感謝委員的一個提醒然後這個部裡邊這個國教署也按照這一個請學校再趕快再補送這一個資料那我想我們應該會"},{"start":452.453,"end":453.314,"text":"拜託,拜託部長,這個小朋友已經開學了齁?"},{"start":477.125,"end":477.405,"text":"請國科委主委備選"},{"start":519.775,"end":548.171,"text":"主委好主委那個先前有國科有表示說今年我們要選定這個國家火箭發射場那可能座落的位置是在台東縣跟屏東縣這兩個地方來擇一那我想要考慮到地理物理環境的影響那也要足夠的擴充性最重要是能夠跟當地政府來溝通那本席這邊要幫台東縣來爭取這個場址那會這樣的原因有兩個原因第一個就是說"},{"start":549.272,"end":575.093,"text":"而我們發設的預定地的位置,原本選定的是在臺東縣達人鄉的南田村,那村長這邊表示說他非常的樂意,村民也普遍的能夠接受,認為是可以帶動地方的觀光產業發展。那當地的議員也認為這可以增加就業的機會,臺東縣政府也是表示歡迎。這代表國發會未來如果選在這邊設置的話,地方的溝通應該會很順利,對於後續我們要推動也是水到渠成。"},{"start":575.914,"end":597.611,"text":"那第二個建議的點就是因為屏東縣的部分在我們牡丹鄉已經先前有的短期科研、碳空、火箭發熱場域那國科會這次選舉可以考慮整個區域的平衡讓兩個地方都能夠從事有這樣的機會來發展這特殊的產業那我想不單單是可以讓造就台東"},{"start":598.592,"end":603.335,"text":"謝謝黃委員目前我們兩個場址包含台東縣的南田部落還有屏東縣的九坤村都符合我們基本的條件設定的這個要求"},{"start":625.854,"end":654.271,"text":"那現在兩個縣政府也都很積極的希望能夠來爭取經過國會審慎的這個規劃我們的確是希望把我們未來火箭國家火箭發射場子能夠把它經營成不是只有偶爾去發射火箭而已而是一個教育的也是一個教育的場子也是一個能夠促進觀光的場子促進這個地方發展的這個場子所以相信未來這個規劃"},{"start":655.748,"end":658.389,"text":"主委準席再次拉票台東縣是您選擇的一個好答案"},{"start":684.735,"end":705.901,"text":"謝謝主委主委先休息我想問一下部長部長接下來我們要請教最近的議題就是斑斑有鮮乳的這個議題那我想教育部先前跟農業部共同推出這個斑斑有鮮乳政策那許多縣市不同部那已經有些老師會反映這個在不管在保存配送方面都會增加教育現場非常大的負擔"},{"start":706.681,"end":707.021,"text":"部長請回答"},{"start":728.756,"end":745.674,"text":"協會委員關心這個我們怎麼樣讓兒童能夠有一個更好的一個成長的環境,包括在營養上的一個支持,這個鈣跟蛋白質的一個補充。我想這一個當時的一個起心動念就是希望能夠讓學童有更好的一個發展空間。"},{"start":748.237,"end":768.945,"text":"部長本席補充齁,台東縣以整個台東縣來說,我們有26所學校是申請鮮乳,91所學校是申請補酒乳,不是大家比較愛喝補酒乳,原因就是因為你鮮乳的配送成本太高,台東福利又廣闊了齁,那雖然這個政策很好,可是有時候你看得到就喝得到嘛,"},{"start":769.585,"end":797.017,"text":"所以最重要是這經費是誰要來協助啦,不能你中央政策改好,中央你請人家,你費用要給人家來負擔嗎?感謝委員指導,因為確實我們這一學期也希望能夠透過這個實際的,因為本來全台灣已經有10個縣市,不管結合營養午餐或者其他的一個時間,提供這個先來的一個供給。那我們也希望說,除了地方政府有一些趕快能夠下單,然後這一個怎麼樣去"},{"start":797.777,"end":798.818,"text":"副副副副副副副"},{"start":817.742,"end":820.903,"text":"我現在要表達偏鄉的工人員跟老師的心聲曾經有一部很有名的電影叫做老師您會不會再回來老師你會不會再回來這是在講什麼講偏鄉老師流動率的問題"},{"start":848.171,"end":857.254,"text":"那個部長、院長你們知道現在臺東公交人員的加急是多少錢嗎?630塊,臺北到臺東火車票將近800塊,等於說東臺加急,一個月的加急還不夠買一張車票。"},{"start":865.092,"end":865.373,"text":"謝謝委員的這個指正"},{"start":880.356,"end":907.558,"text":"因為我確實我上來以後我們感受到這一個偏鄉喜多的這些老師怎麼樣讓老師有一個能夠更長久的留任在偏鄉前任的潘部長也特別通過了這一個各位委員的一個支持這個9任獎金行政業也全力來支持在114年我們就會有一個9任獎金那另外一個老師我們怎麼樣去考慮像花蓮、台東的老師讓他能夠"},{"start":908.439,"end":909.26,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":971.369,"end":973.762,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝黃建賓委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會主席。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:46:42+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:46:47.765143+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，有請我們行政院卓院長。","quality":0.214},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-15T14:46:47.765143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:46:53.530286+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:46:53.530286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:46:59.295429+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:46:59.295429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:05.060571+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:05.060571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:10.825714+08:00","text":"今天本來是我們教育組的質詢，不過，其實我們真的只有在總質詢的時候，才可以當面跟我們院長來討論跟爭取地方的一些經費，就像剛剛莊瑞雄委員講的部分，這部分我會繼續延續下去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:10.825714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:16.590857+08:00","text":"委員，你隨時有意見，我們都可以互相來討論，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:16.590857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:22.356000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:22.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:30.762000+08:00","text":"院長，這次針對山陀兒颱風過後，有許多需要重建的問題，這邊也希望院長能夠儘快指示各部會儘快來協助。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:31.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:47:46.583000+08:00","text":"這次山陀兒颱風不只重創我們高屏地區，其實在屏東旁邊的臺東也是這次的重災區，照片中我們可以看到土石流沖毀民眾的家園、農地、機具掩埋。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:47:47.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:48:11.912000+08:00","text":"根據農業部的統計，這次臺東縣農損高達四千萬以上，是我們全國第三高，但是在颱風過後，我們看到賴清德總統到金山、萬里勘災；部長也親自到屏東來會勘；我們副院長也到了新北朱銘美術館勘災，但是針對全國農損第三慘重的臺東，中央部會遲遲沒有派人下來勘災。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:48:11.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:48:21.920000+08:00","text":"上個禮拜五，也就是10月11號，在本席的要求下，行政院工程會、農業部、原民會也才終於派員到臺東來會勘災情。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:48:21.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:48:30.386000+08:00","text":"院長，在這邊我必須代表臺東人，對這一次山陀兒颱風中央對於臺東的漠視，表達最嚴重的抗議！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:48:30.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:48:44.285000+08:00","text":"院長，臺東的山雖然比較多，但災情不至於看不到；臺東的人口雖然比較少，但民眾的聲音也不至於聽不到，未來也希望中央在救災上，千萬不要大小眼。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:48:45.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:49:07.601000+08:00","text":"尤其是這一次山陀兒颱風過後，我們農業部公告的農業天然災害現金補助的部分，我們高屏地區是全品項，臺東縣目前只有達仁鄉、大武鄉、金峰鄉、太麻里鄉，也就是所謂南迴地區的特用作物，就是洛神花，有在做這個補助，我想這個落差實在太大了，這簡直是把臺東當第二等公民。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:49:08.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:49:13.824000+08:00","text":"針對臺東災後的協助，本席有兩點要求，希望院長能夠表明態度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:49:14.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:49:30.592000+08:00","text":"第一，針對臺東災後的農產損失、農地流失、機具損壞，中央必須擴大補助，而不是只有現在洛神花這個項目；針對臺東縣政府所提報災後重建的部分，中央也要盡力的提供經費，協助地方渡過難關。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:49:31.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:49:39.919000+08:00","text":"第二，中央應該比照凱米颱風期間補助中南部縣市的專案，額外給予臺東縣災民每戶2萬元的補助金。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:49:40.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:49:47.304000+08:00","text":"另外，針對特殊身分加碼，讓災民能夠儘快的恢復日常生活，請問院長，這個部分是不是願意承諾來協助？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:49:48.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:09.917000+08:00","text":"首先向委員表示歉意，因為在一樣的時間，我們能走的就是有限的空間，所以總統也好、副院長也好、我也好，我們在上個禮拜六、禮拜天跑了一些地方，很抱歉的是上個禮拜我們有國慶各種外賓來訪等等，又有總質詢，我實在分身乏術，這點真的是抱歉。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:10.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:51.053000+08:00","text":"不過，委員放心，所有風災之後的補助標準，我們都照過去一樣的來執行，你剛剛講的最後那一點，是不是可以加兩萬，我們對淹水50米以上的都有這樣加，50米以下的我們也加5,000，我記得。謝謝。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:51.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:52.053000+08:00","text":"地方政府的歸地方政府，中央會繼續補兩萬，這個都是有的，如果達到這個標準的話都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:52.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:53.053000+08:00","text":"農產品的部分，如果達到標準的風速，就可以開放成全品項補助，這個也是有的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:53.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:54.053000+08:00","text":"還有，就是要不要現勘，總是要給補助單位一個依據，所以現在開發了app，只要照個相傳上去就可以，如果這個還有疑問，我會請農業部跟委員詳細說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:51.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:50:53.954000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長非常正面的答復，我想以上是颱風過後我們希望中央能夠立即來協助的部分。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:50:54.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:51:26.665000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要再跟院長請教，就是針對今年0403強震之後，加上連續的颱風，造成花東地區的觀光產業一落千丈，在這一次經濟部公布最新的電價調整方案中，有看到中央協助花蓮的旅宿業者，這個部分本席非常贊同。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:51:27.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:51:47.701000+08:00","text":"院長，其實花東本是一體，政府在補助的過程裡面要雪中送炭，不是雪上加霜，如果花蓮受創，臺東也嚴重，這部分是不是請院長回去務必跟相關部會研議，臺東縣能夠比照花蓮，給予臺東的旅宿業者協助，幫助他們渡過難關。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:51:47.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:51:56.219000+08:00","text":"院長，畢竟臺東的產業非常單純，一個是農業，一個就是觀光，這部分院長是不是能夠允諾？是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:51:56.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:14.787000+08:00","text":"原來如果不是颱風的因素，我也跟委員約好了要去臺東，了解臺東的產業、臺東各種農產以及臺東當地在0403之後，花蓮受到影響跟臺東受到影響的狀況，我們會全力來協助，花蓮有的，臺東就會有。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:15.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:18.529000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，院長，本席可以當地陪，找莊委員當地陪也可以。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:18.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:19.149000+08:00","text":"好，我們一起。謝謝。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:19.149000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:20.991000+08:00","text":"接下來就輪到我們今天質詢的重點，就是教育的議題，我也請我們的鄭部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:20.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:21.572000+08:00","text":"麻煩請教育部長備詢。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:40.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:40.337000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:40.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:52:41.178000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:52:41.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:53:03.109000+08:00","text":"部長，本席首先要為臺東的學子來請命，之前有一個新聞就是臺東高中的學生是穿著襪子在游泳池上游泳課，原因就是因為游泳池老舊，池底有石灰質沉澱，所以導致學生在游泳的時候腳都會劃傷，學校沒辦法，就是讓學生先穿襪子去上游泳課，這件事情其實在新聞也被報導過。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:53:04.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-15T14:53:18.214000+08:00","text":"另外就是臺東女中的紅土跑道操場損毀的問題，它不只損毀，還有包括坑道，每次東北季風來就是塵土飛揚，雨後還會積水，造成學生運動容易受傷。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2024-10-15T14:53:18.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-1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