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道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-16T12:39:06.863857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-16T12:39:10.292429+08:00","text":"不是，這個非常非常的不適當。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-16T12:39:10.592429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-16T12:39:14.021000+08:00","text":"請部長之後再跟李委員說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-16T12:39:14.321000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-16T12:39:15.463857+08:00","text":"部長請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-16T12:39:15.763857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-16T12:39:18.621000+08:00","text":"謝謝李坤城委員的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-16T12:39:18.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-16T12:39:22.635286+08:00","text":"再來請本委員會的吳春城委員。","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"12:33:47 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