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Kacaw委員：部長，你今天的報告羅列得非常詳細，就是今天一直在講1、2、3那個叫什麼方案？"],["陳部長駿季：「1集、2轉、3加3」方案。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個方案你在這邊也提了很多次了，我在電視上也看了、聽了，不影響你去推動這3個方案啊！你繼續去推動，如果推動的非常非常的棒，非常非常的有成效，說不定人民就說這個不用了……所以這個部分可以雙管齊下，併同進行。第一個就是要依立法院的決議來執行；第二個你原來要做的，你現在打算要做的繼續做，可以同時進行。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，就是公糧提高5塊，跟我們現在推的，在政策上、本質上會有一些矛盾，特別是在「1集、2轉」裡面，尤其是2轉的部分，我們希望一些稻作，同樣是農民的收益，我希望他能夠轉成旱作以後，得到我們的不種稻獎勵之後，提高他的所得。如果公糧同步再進行的話，那會抵銷了另外一方面的政策，所以我還是希望委員能夠支持，讓我們先去做這樣的一個推動，然後後續看推動的成效，看產地價格的情形，我們一定會隨時滾動的檢討。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我給你一個方向，給農業部一個方向，民國100年12月5日行政院來函立法院，為什麼會來函給立法院呢？在100年12月3日立法院做了一個決議，做了什麼決議？第一個，因為老人農民津貼暫行條例修正，要增加老農津貼；第二個，國民年金法也修正了，要增加，沒有修正的、沒有法源的也併同這個決議，譬如老農的離農津貼等等，包括農業部的有幾個也併同修正，沒有法律的依據，一樣照立法院的決議。行政院怎麼做呢？12月3日立法院決議，100年12月5日行政院就報了一個修正中央政府101年度的總預算，3天之內就修正了行政院在100年8月31日以前已經送到立法院101年度的總預算，增加多少？增加很多，光農業部就增加了七億多，包括內政部原民會，總共修正增加了163億6,700萬，所以這個部分可以做參考，可以比照，以上，謝謝。"],["主席：請陳冠廷委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":192,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-6","speakers":["呂玉玲","張嘉郡","林岱樺","邱議瑩","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","廖偉翔","賴瑞隆","謝衣鳯","陳亭妃","洪申翰","陳超明","鄭天財Sra 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