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的時候，我也問了行政院長，當時您站在院長的旁邊，我也說希望趕快把動保法送到立法院來審議。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:56:28.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:56:42.558000+08:00","text":"當時您是比較持肯定的態度，就說今年會送到立法院來審議，這是在6月11日，但是到目前為止，好像農業部都還是在預告。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:56:43.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:56:52.404000+08:00","text":"本席有兩個法案，一個是寵物食品安全管理法，這已經付委了，9月12日已經付委，應該是經濟委員會做審查。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:56:52.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:01.234000+08:00","text":"然後動保法修正案，明天也會排入院會的報告事項，其實除了我之外，還有很多委員都很關心動保法的修正案。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:02.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:06.341000+08:00","text":"請教一下部長，現在我們的動保法，還在預告修正期嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:06.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:07.503000+08:00","text":"從2023年的4月28日開始預告要修正了，到現在一年半的時間都還在預告嗎？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:07.503000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:18.041500+08:00","text":"沒有，我跟委員報告，就是在去年4月28日的時候預告，預告以後我們接收到非常多外界的不同意見……","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:18.041500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:28.580000+08:00","text":"我知道你們有精鍊嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:28.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:33.883000+08:00","text":"我們有一個原則就是，有共識的我們先納入這次的修法，如果沒有共識的我們先擱著……","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:33.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:34.883000+08:00","text":"我知道，你上次在總質詢時也是這樣回答我。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:34.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:48.570000+08:00","text":"我們現在已經送到行政院在審議當中，行政院如果審議通過就會送到立法院來，我們的目標就是年底之前會送到立法院來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:48.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:57:50.991000+08:00","text":"年底之前也沒剩多久，現在已經10月中旬了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:57:51.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:02.136000+08:00","text":"對，我們現在已經送到行政院在做法條的審議了，行政院一旦審議通過以後，我們就會送到立法院來，所以部裡面已經送出去了。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:02.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:03.497000+08:00","text":"所以你沒有跳票就對了。沒有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:03.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:08.040000+08:00","text":"因為那時候問你，你說今年會送到立法院。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:08.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:09.040000+08:00","text":"所以現在在行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:09.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:10.961000+08:00","text":"對，在行政院，我們已經送出去了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:11.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:12.762000+08:00","text":"所以今年能夠送來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:12.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:16.364000+08:00","text":"對，我們希望，也會再跟行政院協調儘快能夠列入優先法案。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:16.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:27.410000+08:00","text":"至少今年先送過來，雖然說在審預算，當然也不知道有沒有預算可以審，但是你們還是要按照當時的承諾送過來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:27.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:28.410000+08:00","text":"會，謝謝委員的支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:27.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:32.672000+08:00","text":"好，這是動保法，有關寵物食品安全管理法的部分，你們是9月5日開始預告。是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:32.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:33.192000+08:00","text":"大概會預告多久？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:39.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:58:53.517000+08:00","text":"預告是60天，因為當初我在立法院承諾的時候，本來我們的寵物食品法是在動保法裡面的一個章節，但是那個章節可能沒有辦法涵蓋到我們想要管理的作為，所以我們後來拉成專法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:58:54.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:59:06.146000+08:00","text":"專法裡面會從它的原料開始到製程，到它後面的上市部分，都有一定的查核跟管制的作為，這樣的話會比較完善。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:59:06.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:59:16.154000+08:00","text":"所以我們預告60天以後，我相信也會接到各界不同的意見，所以我們也會針對意見的部分做一些調整，然後再送到行政院。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:59:17.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:59:23.837000+08:00","text":"如果按照時程來講的話，預告60天是兩個月，那這個預告結束已經是11月的事情了。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2024-10-17T11:59:23.837000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T11:59:25.078000+08:00","text":"對，大概11月多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2024-10-17T11:59:25.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T11:59:27.260000+08:00","text":"然後你們還要再整理，再送到行政院？","qu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