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問部長是說他上任之後有沒有去關心這一批有有有我們部長"},{"start":222.799,"end":238.082,"text":"只要到部隊他都會去關心尤其是新進人員尤其一年級的因為這一年等於是說過去義務役沒有那麼長時間我們已經很長時間那今年的這一批義務役那到目前為止有沒有適應不了的情況"},{"start":238.682,"end":256.192,"text":"到目前為止當然有少數啦那我們在心理輔導上來講我們也做了大概不到1%吧報委員他有些適應不良環境適應不良還有生活上適應不良但在我們的輔導之下都可以順利的完成他的任務"},{"start":256.952,"end":269.324,"text":"敢講嗎?敢講實話嗎?可以講實話了我還是必須強調我們在今年的大概11月到12月初的時候我們基地建設到一段時間是我們會開放記者實際去看我們不灌水"},{"start":273.388,"end":291.513,"text":"他涉及是什麼就什麼那他的涉及成績就可以做一個什麼實際上的驗證我想這個都是我們眼見為憑讓記者們親自去看我們也不用抽就直接他怎麼樣就什麼狀況我想這個是這也是本席接下來本來想要詢問的我們非常重視這個對我們不會灌水是因為本席就講是說其實既然政策已經要改動了已經是一年期了"},{"start":300.295,"end":325.729,"text":"國務院青年朋友也花了一年的一個青春歲月在我們的國軍裡面當然亦烏亦我們過去到現在我們講是說我那個時候是一年三個月四個月那沒關係現在的這個一年期那我們當然希望是說能夠看到你的訓練的一個結果跟訓練的狀況到底是不是有符合當初講說我們能夠怎麼樣來提升我們的一個戰力所以預計什麼時候會確定公告"},{"start":328.47,"end":337.372,"text":"公開的日期?11月底,我們會公布,而且我們已經廣邀記者來參觀,也歡迎委員來參觀。那也會開放給全民?我們原廠設計場地只有媒體。開放給媒體,那有沒有開放結訊給家屬?有,結訊會開放給家屬。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:40.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:41.461000+08:00","text":"好，主席謝謝，麻煩請次長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:41.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:42.582000+08:00","text":"你要副部長還是次長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:42.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:44.043000+08:00","text":"抱歉，副部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:44.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:45.004000+08:00","text":"請柏鴻輝副部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:45.004000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:46.896857+08:00","text":"洪委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:46.896857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:48.789714+08:00","text":"副部長好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:48.789714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:50.682571+08:00","text":"您的名字沒有在這上面啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:50.682571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:52.575429+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:52.575429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:54.468286+08:00","text":"我是代理出席，因為部長下午要軍談。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:54.468286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:56.361143+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:56.361143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:10:58.254000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:10:58.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:11:29.318000+08:00","text":"一樣延續一下剛剛馬文君委員的講法，本席這邊也提到，其實國防部在本席的選區泰山區就有跟內政部住都中心合作，現在在營區裡面有一部分的土地來蓋社會住宅，其中有部分國防部可以分回去做官兵宿舍。是的。","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:11:29.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:11:42.191000+08:00","text":"所以某種程度上，現在我們認為社宅要持續做，然後土地也需要取得，在這樣的情況下，這也是一個互相合作的可能性，所以說剛剛馬文君委員有講到這個部分。","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:11:42.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:11:53.140000+08:00","text":"本席也不禁想到，其實在林口地區，我知道國防部也有相關的營區或相關的土地，是不是有可能再進一步？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:11:53.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:11:56.742000+08:00","text":"如果現在有比較沒有使用的地方能夠來做社宅，那也幫我們的官兵弟兄來做部分的宿舍。","quality":0.595},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:11:56.742000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:13.935667+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，有關社宅跟地方上的配合，國防部從以前到現在為止，我們都希望能夠跟地方做很好的配合，尤其我們的官兵，我舉例來講，我們很多社宅在分配的時候，尤其我們軍方的土地自建的所有眷舍，未來有些地方改建，甚至於沒辦法完全符合地方上的需求，有空屋的，我們都會把它釋放出來給地方政府，供他們使用。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:13.935667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:31.129333+08:00","text":"副部長，因為我時間有限，這個部分是不是可以盤點一下相關的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:31.129333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:48.323000+08:00","text":"會的，會的，我們會在社宅管理的部分和住都中心合作。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:48.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:53.948000+08:00","text":"依據現行的資料，在林口地區跟泰山地區，還有相關土地的部分，是不是也可以提供給本席？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:53.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:54.929000+08:00","text":"我會提供給委員參考。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:54.929000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:12:56.470000+08:00","text":"好，OK，感謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:12:56.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:14.585000+08:00","text":"來，那我請教，我特別看了一下，在第12頁有講到，因為今年義務役延長到一年，時間也過得非常快，第一批進入義務役一年役期的兵，再兩個月左右就要退伍了，不知道現在訓練的狀況如何？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:14.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:27.676000+08:00","text":"我看到第12頁只有講到8月底，四千多名將近五千名在期末的測試合格率是98%，是很高啦，但我不知道這個有沒有灌水的嫌疑。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:28.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:30.058000+08:00","text":"這個期末測試是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:30.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:30.218000+08:00","text":"新兵訓練？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:31.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:46.091000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們所有新兵一年期的訓練是分階段，現在馬上要退伍了，進到基地的鑑測，那每一個階段的鑑測，我舉例來講……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:46.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:46.772000+08:00","text":"今年退伍還有兩個月，還會有測試嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:46.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:13:47.372000+08:00","text":"我們在年底的時候基地還有一個鑑測。OK。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:13:47.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:13.092000+08:00","text":"所以整體鑑測，到目前為止，我跟委員報告，我舉個例子來講，比如說射擊，我們看到的射擊是用輔助裝備的射擊，我也去參觀過，經過這樣子的輔助裝備射擊，我隨便抽，我自己親自去看……","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:13.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:13.692000+08:00","text":"你親自去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:14.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:15.374000+08:00","text":"對，我隨便抽幾個都是滿靶。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:15.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:20.597000+08:00","text":"如果部長在的話，我也想要詢問部長，他上任之後有沒有去關心這一批一年期的士兵？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:21.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:27.406000+08:00","text":"有、有、有，我們部長只要到部隊，都會去關心，尤其是新進人員，尤其是一年期的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:28.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:38.082000+08:00","text":"等於是說過去義務役沒有那麼長時間，今年的這一批義務役，到目前為止有沒有適應不良的情況？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:38.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:41.163000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，當然有少部分，少數啦。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:41.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:43.765000+08:00","text":"那在心理輔導上來講，我們也做了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:43.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:46.727000+08:00","text":"比例是多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:46.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:56.192000+08:00","text":"大概不到1%吧，報告委員，有些是適應不良，有環境適應不良，還有生活上適應不良，但是在我們的輔導之下，都可以順利完成他的任務。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:56.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:57.573000+08:00","text":"他敢講嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:57.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:58.634000+08:00","text":"敢講實話嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:58.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:14:59.915000+08:00","text":"可以講實話了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:14:59.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:00.915000+08:00","text":"可以講實話？","quality":0},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:00.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:27.372000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我還是必須強調，我們在今年大概11月到12月初的時候，基地鑑測到一段時間的時候，我們會開放記者實際去看，我們不灌水，他射擊是什麼就是什麼，他的射擊成績可以做一個實際上的驗證，這個都是眼見為憑，讓記者們親自去看，我們也不用抽，就直接他怎麼樣就是什麼狀況，我想這個是……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:27.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:29.732000+08:00","text":"這也是本席本來接下來想要詢問的，你先把這個答案講出來。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:29.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:30.092000+08:00","text":"是，我們非常重視這個，我們不會灌水。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:30.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:48.460000+08:00","text":"本席要講的就是說，既然政策已經要改動了，而且已經是一年期了，國內的青年朋友也花了一年的青春歲月在我們的國軍裡面，義務役從過去到現在，我那個時候是一年……","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:49.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:50.281000+08:00","text":"三個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:51.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:15:51.521000+08:00","text":"四個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:15:52.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:16:04.548000+08:00","text":"那沒關係，現在的義務役役期是一年期，那我們當然希望能夠看到訓練的結果跟訓練的狀況，到底是不是符合當初說的能夠怎麼樣提升我們的戰力。是。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:16:05.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:16:09.250000+08:00","text":"所以預計什麼時候會確定公開的日期？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻輝","start":"2024-10-17T12:16:12.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:16:15.251000+08:00","text":"大概11月底我們會公布，而且我們已經廣邀記者來，也歡迎委員來參觀。好。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-10-17T12:16:15.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-17T12:16:15.471000+08:00","text":"也會開放給全民？","quality":1},{"speaker":"柏副部長鴻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