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你大家看這個內容,我希望一條一條是很重要。"},{"start":383.754,"end":407.181,"text":"而且這地方真的很重要你院長下來保證下來你來看我這個都是很有前瞻的我不會去拿奪樓來做認證的我所有建議都是地方上實際需要別人覺得很困難我都把它承擔起來把它推動再來這個萬利部長你對台中你也知道"},{"start":409.092,"end":425.064,"text":"臺中的委員會結帳跟你們臺中的結帳,這個做了臺61線西邊委員會的交流到,這個如果願意交流到,下來如果不小心通過的時候,還要考慮30分鐘才能回到委員會,這個是你們中證。"},{"start":430.178,"end":439.104,"text":"議長這條要完成了,你們那邊的勢力很穩固,我打了很久都打得很辛苦,但是怎麼困難我都要做,這樣保證你不可以悄悄地來議長。"},{"start":441.906,"end":466.209,"text":"你還要答應我啦,這給我們免配額款啦,我們的財政很困難。希望這邊說盡量免配額款,還是盡量調低配額款啦,這些事情我們都要做。可行性研究有送過來,我們目前正在研究。你應該稍稍知道這個嘛。我知道啦,他們目前有送過來,我們正在研究。你稍稍知道,你補充工會到我們,一定你交代就會全部動員啦,好不好?"},{"start":467.27,"end":472.58,"text":"這條款的名義就全力完成,大概你們再修改一下就完成。"},{"start":479.589,"end":507.721,"text":"你每一個到最後那一句都是可以同意免除地方配合款,阿剩下的不知道多少?有一點免啦,有一點減啦,我們是很怕病,我們是玩弄的。真的,你不用這樣想法,我這個財政訴訟,為什麼我開始要講這個,就是要你了解情形,不然我站在這裡拜託你,我也覺得很民主。我不是站在這裡,我是覺得有道理我才會跟你講,沒有道理我不亂開口。"},{"start":510.043,"end":521.857,"text":"你稍微幫我講一下嘛,譬如要20%你說10%我們就很心滿意足,我們就感恩戴德啦,這樣你不會請的,不可以這樣,你們在補助一些鄉鎮、縣市,你們都這樣擠得大大筆就落了。"},{"start":529.941,"end":533.003,"text":"我希望在我訓練這幾條人改觀,再來先到14零線第一期,第二期,"},{"start":550.482,"end":559.614,"text":"第二期我已經完成了,第一期的酒地現種20噸而已,大台車、拖拉車、貨櫃車都要農路去做,要考慮很久。第一期我們有補助3.07億你跟我們議長有關,這條要改觀"},{"start":568.986,"end":585.523,"text":"委員在說的是二期,二期我們在等地方來送可行性評估的補助申請,他們來我們幫忙。我先講,他們現在在做結尾上過了,你們幫我支持,當然有些在進行了,以前已經做了我就不說了,我只是感謝你們有幫我們做事情。"},{"start":589.491,"end":616.567,"text":"臺七十二線就是西濱快速道路,它高車化已經核定了,現在積極進行。因為在這五千年道大溪谷計畫苗栗三個地點都跟這條路有息息相關。希望一定幫助一下,保證年輕人幫忙一下,如期如止完成,好不好?這都算一百八十幾個,可能你們要追加了,要一點資質,這跟之前的預算一樣。再來,"},{"start":621.955,"end":628.738,"text":"提到自行車,齁,報告議長,齁,您的補充大家都很懷疑,兼備去到那裏,大家就說我全力支持,現在經過幾個補充,四個補充要我給你認名,經過林佳龍部長,"},{"start":639.366,"end":650.09,"text":"王國材部長、李孟彥鎮長,現在看我們年輕人沿途的陳彥博,不是陳彥博,經過四個部長,現在就看我們這個,我們部長你在這記錄,你應該有參加這個會,這90人,我不知道一定,"},{"start":661.135,"end":672.656,"text":"你去我苗栗三月不來借一座,你借到那裡不去跟台中打通,我們希望台中有200多萬的人,可以引進到苗栗來。"},{"start":674.568,"end":703.185,"text":"不可以只有嘴巴在講我全力支持,搞不好都沒有一個結果臺鐵公司現在修正計畫,10月底之前會送來交通部,他們那屆委如果上來,我們的速度很高,他10月底會把計畫送來交通部你補充就要寫在台中,就要到這裡靠近,我講到不用用了很大的力氣,因為你了解情形,這條要完成起來,實在很免得"},{"start":703.985,"end":704.065,"text":"那個72線的話齁"},{"start":730.481,"end":744.774,"text":"七十二縣快速道路跟我們連接西濱快速高焦化跟古道山第一轉向報告預定"},{"start":749.566,"end":763.351,"text":"國道1跟國道3沒有連結入網,只有苗栗縣。 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