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本席在這邊也給予肯定。"},{"start":58.197,"end":79.089,"text":"但院長臺灣目前面臨一個非常嚴重的問題就是詐騙還有毒品的氾濫首先我們都針對詐騙的問題跟院長來做討論從警政署的數據來看去年的詐騙案件數量37000多件那比前年增加了8000多件"},{"start":79.738,"end":99.164,"text":"那投資的詐騙案件增加了5000多件那今天刑事級召開記者會打擊詐騙方面政府破獲的詐騙集團有1000多件那不法所得來到71億那投資詐騙乃是民眾財產損失的第一名那本市認為政府應該"},{"start":100.644,"end":100.905,"text":"好,謝謝委員"},{"start":124.275,"end":143.76,"text":"談到詐騙,我們感同身受,也謝謝大院通過了打詐的新釋法。新的這個釋法通過之後,我們還有19個執法必須要通過。我已經要求各相關的部會,緊速地把19個執法,讓它在最短的時間內也能夠如數地通過。"},{"start":144.86,"end":165.269,"text":"四個大的詐騙的打詐的法律加上19個執法這部機器才能整個動起來動起來之後我們第一個我們會提高刑責我們可以溯源到打詐的源頭我們可以對平台這些不使廣告的平台要求他落地要求他負責"},{"start":166.271,"end":166.291,"text":"吳琪銘議員"},{"start":195.168,"end":218.471,"text":"主觀的感受跟實際上的受害是不一樣的有的他認為我被騙了一千萬事實上他沒有被騙只是有人在騙他但是我們也把他放進去就讓大家知道詐騙、橫行是社會一個事實國際也是如此那現在我們手上有這個法律的利器我們充足人員充足設備一定要在最短的時間內跟詐騙集團再做一次最大的宣戰"},{"start":219.232,"end":234.325,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝,謝謝院長,因為詐騙,這在國人的心目中,大家都是非常厭惡,所以這個我們的所有的程序上一定要速度一定要快,好,謝謝,那再來就是針對毒品,"},{"start":235.006,"end":251.811,"text":"毒品我看這幾年年齡層的下降,很多青少年吸食毒品的狀況。 那我們針對我們現在要來重視現在新北市就發生了兩起毒價,尤其山蟲分級跟土層分級,員工信職都是在晚上執勤勤務時,"},{"start":258.593,"end":287.288,"text":"遭到獨駕惡意開車衝撞不幸性質,令臺灣人感到非常不捨。 去年在立法院刪除通過刑法明確獨駕認定的標準,貫徹對獨駕行為是零容忍的政策,但我們現在發現獨駕的問題不單只增加行者就能以賀止,有許多不同種類像新興的毒品出現,這兩起的案件都是使用"},{"start":287.868,"end":287.888,"text":"吳琪銘議員"},{"start":308.806,"end":315.233,"text":"執行公務應供訓指,我們一定給予最好的一些撫恤,但是更重要的是針對這些毒品,"},{"start":330.641,"end":358.032,"text":"從它的製毒、販毒、運毒等等我們做有系列的管控那毒品是必須經過毒品審議委員會來把它分級分類那伊多米子前不久我們把它列為第三級的毒品也是第四級的禁制藥品那現在如果它要做一個更動的話也必須經過審議委員會但是無論如何我們面對這些新興的毒品相當的氾濫什麼咖啡包、彩虹包、彩虹菸等等"},{"start":358.972,"end":382.68,"text":"會到青少年造成很大的誘惑所以我們在幾次檢警調線的整個通力的防堵當中我們都已經把這些新的毒品跟它的這個充斥社會的方式都做了相當大的研議未來我們希望能夠朝這個方向在有法令以及毒品分類快速的進行的情況底下我們希望檢警調線能夠負起更多的責任"},{"start":384.683,"end":401.813,"text":"對,謝謝院長,是希望說能把它提升為二級毒品,這樣不然外面這個毒品,新興的毒品是真的非常地氾濫,這一點都值得我們去探討。 然後再來就是有關於毒品存放的問題,"},{"start":403.001,"end":420.63,"text":"我跟院長來討論一下,因為本席也是調查及後案毒品處理流程的監督委員的顧問。目前了解司法機關查獲的數量逐漸增加,就今年5月23,新竹市警察局跟破獲粽子大麻"},{"start":421.45,"end":446.958,"text":"自賭工廠事件查扣大碼4519株, 也是目前偵破有史以來最大的大碼溫室。 因此吊牙籍持續在空間不足的存放, 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