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現在就是我們第一個階段是你交通部你們在公路局的整個"},{"start":785.745,"end":808.863,"text":"可行性評估你們要先確認阿,如果說可行性評估都在那邊空中在飛的,你叫我們地方要怎麼能夠心安?明年1月可行性評估大概在部的部分大概就能完成,公路局就能完成,那以那個完成的版本去跟地方來談路廊的問題,我們來解決路廊的問題。部長你說的喔,明年1月這個可行性評估就會確認喔。"},{"start":809.864,"end":811.245,"text":"你這些文字對我們地方來講太可怕了"},{"start":829.321,"end":853.243,"text":"明年1月公路局就會送出來,然後從地方來訪問路廊。 交通部這邊就要確認喔,這一條是一定要做的喔,你沒有確認我們地方動不了,然後因為我們對於整個廊道的部分,基本上你有四個版本,要拜託,因為這四個版本當中,有如何對於地方的發展效益最高。"},{"start":854.324,"end":854.344,"text":"對,沒錯。對。"},{"start":874.838,"end":891.821,"text":"所以我們希望在地方重要的階段當中我們不希望因為大家的不積極然後又看到這麼重要的一條從台61如果他可以直接接86起碼要先接台86"},{"start":893.746,"end":913.465,"text":"一定要先接台86它的效益才會高然後我們第二階才去延伸到高雄我覺得我們可以做二階的一個考量所以這個部分部長麻煩然後另外一個就是我們台南機場的部分台南機場現在在12月12號我們越南包機"},{"start":914.943,"end":915.363,"text":"謝謝陳委員下一位我們請陳俊宇委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:18:49.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:18:50.581000+08:00","text":"謝謝副院長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:18:50.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:18:55.271000+08:00","text":"是不是請行政院卓榮泰院長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T09:18:55.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:18:55.451000+08:00","text":"卓院長請備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T09:19:04.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:19:04.526000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:19:05.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:19:05.747000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:19:06.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:19:32.336000+08:00","text":"院長，我想跟你討論一下，現在整個安南區因為縣市合併之後，其實過去安南區可能是原臺南市比較邊陲的地帶，可是現在因為臺南縣市合併之後，我們變成是一個非常重要交通路網的連接地帶，所以我們從過去到現在一直在爭取的，包括臺南都會區北外環道路，基本上從第一期在蘇院長正式到我們現場去做會勘的時候，我們就已經跟蘇院長報告、跟當時候的行政院院長報告，就是說我們應該在尾巴，也就是進行到第四期的時候。","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:19:32.336000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:20:04.158000+08:00","text":"雖然這個是內政部國土署的，為什麼在今天我要把它串聯起來？","quality":0.038},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:20:04.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:20:19.257000+08:00","text":"雖然它是國土署的，可是重要的是它連接到國道，所以它從國道，包括外環道，現在的問題就在於如何銜接到平面？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:20:19.257000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:20:33.658667+08:00","text":"在第四期尾巴的時候，怎麼收尾？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:20:33.658667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:20:48.060333+08:00","text":"我從第一期就開始提醒中央、內政部一定要好好做好相關規劃，現在已經進入到尾端。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:20:48.060333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:21:02.462000+08:00","text":"因為四期在這一段有兩個工程，一個叫東工區，另一個叫西工區，以海安路為界，東工區現在的問題，當然就是是否要確定路線；西工區就卡在結尾的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:21:02.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:21:28.773000+08:00","text":"院長，我要拜託一下，我覺得中央跟地方的溝通真的有問題，因為中央都站在本位主義，有一些路線，比如外環道路線一定要借用高灘地，不能夠跟民宅太接近，可是水利署一直堅持有通水斷面的問題。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:21:29.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:21:58.991000+08:00","text":"大家可以去看一下，鹽水溪的高灘地非常、非常的大，落墩不會影響到所謂的通水斷面，可是今天如果太靠近民宅，就會引發爭議，工程根本就進不了、動不了，到了尾巴要收尾，你又把它接近整個社區。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:22:01.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:22:27.898000+08:00","text":"請問如果我住在那裡三、四十年，那裡原本就是一個寧靜的社區，結果因為外環道，居然把人家接到我們的社區道路，居然要變更我們的社區道路、變成破除堤防，你想有誰會接受？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:22:29.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:22:44.180000+08:00","text":"這就在我的選區，安南區這一條外環道我們爭取非常久，好不容易在民進黨執政、小英政府的時候，我們看到曙光，大家很期待。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:22:45.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:23:15.329000+08:00","text":"可是當從永康要接進來的時候，因為那邊民宅比較少，大家意見不多，當時我就一直提醒，在爭取重大建設的時候，因為我們在地方，很清楚問題會出在哪裡，所以就已經跟相關單位提醒再提醒，包括內政部、行政院，結果現在還是面臨同樣的問題。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:23:18.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:23:35.479000+08:00","text":"院長，雖然今天是交通部來備詢，但是這部分會有所謂的牽扯性，所以拜託院長指示一下，是不是能有一個平臺？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:23:36.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:23:53.809000+08:00","text":"請各部會及市政府研究對地方最有利的辦法，不要一意孤行，一意孤行之後，工程動不了又造成民怨，這不是兩敗俱傷嗎？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:23:54.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:24:13.508000+08:00","text":"這個部分再麻煩院長，這是屬於北外環道，我們爭取的很辛苦，要爭取這筆經費是很辛苦的，結果有了經費之後，拜託大家先未雨綢繆卻都不做，到了最後卡在這裡，很可惜！","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:24:14.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:24:29.761000+08:00","text":"再來就是國道8號，不要說全國，可能是全世界唯一一條國道有紅綠燈的！","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:24:31.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:26:20.859000+08:00","text":"我們也是爭取很久了，也謝謝民進黨政府給了地方一個大改變，但這一條國道8號是唯一有紅綠燈的國道，這樣的奇蹟、這樣的跡象已經要改變了，我們真的爭取很久，從我上任之後當民意代表，今年17年，從我第一屆擔任立委開始，我們就一直在爭取這一條，可是沒有辦法有正面回應，還好民進黨政府上任之後，聽到我們的聲音，在111年5月20號行政院核定可行性評估報告，高公局在111年8月展開綜合規劃作業，然後在112年10月20號行政院核定建設計畫，而且這個總建設經費總共是29.76億，可是這沒有包含聯絡道跟側車道，我們這一次也有把聯絡道跟側車道再加進去，因為若沒有聯絡道跟側車道一樣造成地方的問題，我們當時候也在繼續爭取聯絡道跟側車道，所以整個所有的再加上匝道配合款，再加上我們的主線道要維持雙向四車道，並且增設西出跟東入的匝道及輔助車道，還有要提供南133線進出國道8號的功能，所以這一整個預算都大為增加。","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:26:22.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:27:43.615000+08:00","text":"還好我們中央有補助，當然地方也有配合，預計是在114年初要發包施工，我們看到現在在做一些細部的作業，所以我們要拜託這不能拖、這絕對不能拖，因為我們南科的發展，幾乎每天到開始上下班的時候，這個地方就是塞車路段，我每天幾乎都要經過，我們每天看到它塞車的時間是越來越長、越來越長，而且越來越提早，因為大家怕塞車，所以提早，結果塞車的時間是越提早，塞車的時間也越長，表示這個不做已經不行了，所以拜託，現在預計114年初發包施工，我們希望要趕快，所以我今天所講的都是現在非常重要，牽扯到所有外環系統、交通網絡，我們扮演的角色越來越重要，所以這個部分我們請部長，對這個部分一定要盯緊腳步。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:27:44.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:27:59.704000+08:00","text":"是，這個我會盯緊，我那天其實到現場去會勘的時候，您的妹妹也在現場，我們也有請高公局所有的進度都要抓緊，不要去延後，因為我自己在走那一段的時候也看到紅綠燈的過程，確實有造成一些塞車，車子滿多的，這個部分確實要趕快改善。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:28:00.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:28:06.561000+08:00","text":"我覺得要爭取一個重大工程，絕對不會是天上掉下來的禮物。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:28:07.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:28:39.369000+08:00","text":"我們努力了很久，一路來到現在努力很久，終於看到了一個所有的、重要的成果績效，這個成果績效還沒開始，只有看到一個規模，所以拜託在114年初一定要順利完成發包施工，而且要盯緊所有的進度，重點──交維計畫。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:28:39.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:28:48.255000+08:00","text":"我們的交維很重要，因為這時間非常的長，範圍非常的廣，所以要交維計畫。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:28:48.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:30:05.330000+08:00","text":"另外就是台61線，其實台61線是接曾文溪橋一直到台86，然後要再接南延到高雄這一條快速道路的部分，就是讓我們的台61線西濱快速道路是一個可以往台86還有往高雄來延伸，這非常重要，所以我今天講的都是整個外環道，而且曾文溪橋是當時候就在這個地方，2016年第一次林全院長在接受我的施政報告質詢的時候，我所提出來，然後林全院長在這裡正式允諾，而且開始啟動所有的相關環評、環差，因為這裡會接近整個生態，所以環評、環差要做得特別仔細，不能影響生態的發展，現在都完成了，所以曾文溪橋現在也已經動工了。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:30:05.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:30:12.176000+08:00","text":"好，動工之後，就要進入第二階段，就是曾文溪橋如何連接到臺86，再往高雄延伸，這才是一個重要的外環脈絡，所以我們講的是現階段可以做的，不是遙遙無期的。","quality":0.344},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:30:33.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:07.740000+08:00","text":"但目前我看到一個資料，感到非常驚訝，我們的可行性評估報告中提到，公路局刻正依交通部113年10月18日意見修正中（主要意見：加計廣泛性經濟效益後益本比僅1.02……）他用這樣的說法，我嚇得要死，這表示不做嗎？","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:07.740000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:08.740000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:08.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:15.998000+08:00","text":"後益本比僅……他用「僅」字，你知道大家對於這個文字都很擔心。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:16.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:19.519000+08:00","text":"我知道，他們還會再做修正，這個委員不用太擔心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:20.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:29.042000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會往前推進，但現在比較大的問題，其實是要跟地方就路廊部分取得共識，這個部分比較關鍵……沒錯。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:29.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:31.963000+08:00","text":"也是比較爭議的部分，其他部分我覺得爭議性不大，我們會往前推進。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:32.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:31:50.292000+08:00","text":"沒有，現在第二階段就是交通部、公路局的整個可行性評估要先確認，如果可行性評估都在空中飛，那麼你叫我們地方怎麼能夠心安？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:31:50.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:00.400000+08:00","text":"明年1月可行性評估在部的部分大概就能完成，公路局就能完成，我們會以那個完成的版本跟地方談路廊的問題，來解決路廊的問題。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:00.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:01.360000+08:00","text":"好，部長，你說的喔！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:01.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:04.843000+08:00","text":"明年1月這個可行性評估就會確認？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:04.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:05.843000+08:00","text":"部的部分會確認。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:05.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:06.843000+08:00","text":"部啊，部的部分啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:06.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:07.843000+08:00","text":"對，對，確認完之後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:07.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:08.843000+08:00","text":"部沒有確認，你交通部還在講說，哇！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:08.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:09.843000+08:00","text":"這個後益本比只有1.02，好像在跟我們講說，欸！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:09.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:10.843000+08:00","text":"這個好像效益不高喔！","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:10.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:11.843000+08:00","text":"這個是要再討論的內容，這個不用擔心。是嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:05.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:07.225000+08:00","text":"你這個文字對我們地方來講太可怕了……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:25.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:28.584000+08:00","text":"明年1月公路局就會送出來，然後跟地方討論路廊的問題。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:28.584000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:29.584000+08:00","text":"好，1月喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:28.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:34.870000+08:00","text":"交通部這邊就要確認，這一條是一定要做的，你沒有確認，我們地方動不了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:37.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:49.223000+08:00","text":"另外對於整個廊道部分，基本上你們有四個版本，要拜託部長，這四個版本當中，如何對地方的發展效益最高、能夠創造最大利多，這才是最好的方案。是。","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:49.223000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:50.324000+08:00","text":"這個才是重要的，我想地方也經過好多個提議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-22T09:32:50.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:32:50.344000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:33:10.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:33:41.237000+08:00","text":"好多個提議，所以這個部分要拜託部長，這是我們地方非常重要的建設，在重要的階段當中，我們不希望因為大家的不積極，然後看到這麼重要的一條從臺61直接接臺86的道路，起碼要先接臺86，一定要先接臺86，它的效益才會高，然後第二階段才延伸到高雄，我覺得這個可以做二階考量，這個部分要麻煩部長。好。","quality":0.715},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2024-10-22T09:33:41.237000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:33:46.090000+08:00","text":"另外一個是臺南機場的問題，臺南機場在12月12號有越南包機，可是我覺得我們應該把臺南機場的重要性往前邁進，不能因為現在大家都坐高鐵，國內班機不飛了，就把它閒置在那邊，我覺得應該要有更好的規劃，拜託，謝謝。","quality":0.236},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T09:33:46.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T09:33:50.943000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T09:33:50.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:33:51.083000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝陳委員。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T09:33:51.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T09:33:51.363000+08:00","text":"下一位我們請陳俊宇委員質詢。","quality":1}]},"gazette":{"lineno":115,"blocks":[["陳委員亭妃：（9時18分）謝謝副院長。是不是請行政院卓榮泰院長？"],["主席：卓院長請備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員亭妃：院長好。院長，我想跟你討論一下，現在整個安南區因為縣市合併之後，其實過去安南區可能是原臺南市比較邊陲的地帶，可是現在因為臺南縣市合併之後，我們變成是一個非常重要交通路網的連接地帶，所以我們從過去到現在一直在爭取的，包括臺南都會區北外環道路，基本上從第一期在蘇院長正式到我們現場去做會勘的時候，我們就已經跟蘇院長報告、跟當時候的行政院院長報告，就是說我們應該在尾巴，也就是進行到第四期的時候。雖然這個是內政部國土署的，為什麼在今天我要把它串聯起來？雖然它是國土署的，可是重要的是它連接到國道，所以它從國道，包括外環道，現在的問題就在於如何銜接到平面？在第四期尾巴的時候，怎麼收尾？我從第一期就開始提醒中央、內政部一定要好好做好相關規劃，現在已經進入到尾端。因為四期在這一段有兩個工程，一個叫東工區，另一個叫西工區，以海安路為界，東工區現在的問題，當然就是是否要確定路線；西工區就卡在結尾的部分。","院長，我要拜託一下，我覺得中央跟地方的溝通真的有問題，因為中央都站在本位主義，有一些路線，比如外環道路線一定要借用高灘地，不能夠跟民宅太接近，可是水利署一直堅持有通水斷面的問題。大家可以去看一下，鹽水溪的高灘地非常、非常的大，落墩不會影響到所謂的通水斷面，可是今天如果太靠近民宅，就會引發爭議，工程根本就進不了、動不了，到了尾巴要收尾，你又把它接近整個社區。請問如果我住在那裡三、四十年，那裡原本就是一個寧靜的社區，結果因為外環道，居然把人家接到我們的社區道路，居然要變更我們的社區道路、變成破除堤防，你想有誰會接受？這就在我的選區，安南區這一條外環道我們爭取非常久，好不容易在民進黨執政、小英政府的時候，我們看到曙光，大家很期待。可是當從永康要接進來的時候，因為那邊民宅比較少，大家意見不多，當時我就一直提醒，在爭取重大建設的時候，因為我們在地方，很清楚問題會出在哪裡，所以就已經跟相關單位提醒再提醒，包括內政部、行政院，結果現在還是面臨同樣的問題。院長，雖然今天是交通部來備詢，但是這部分會有所謂的牽扯性，所以拜託院長指示一下，是不是能有一個平臺？請各部會及市政府研究對地方最有利的辦法，不要一意孤行，一意孤行之後，工程動不了又造成民怨，這不是兩敗俱傷嗎？這個部分再麻煩院長，這是屬於北外環道，我們爭取的很辛苦，要爭取這筆經費是很辛苦的，結果有了經費之後，拜託大家先未雨綢繆卻都不做，到了最後卡在這裡，很可惜！","再來就是國道8號，不要說全國，可能是全世界唯一一條國道有紅綠燈的！我們也是爭取很久了，也謝謝民進黨政府給了地方一個大改變，但這一條國道8號是唯一有紅綠燈的國道，這樣的奇蹟、這樣的跡象已經要改變了，我們真的爭取很久，從我上任之後當民意代表，今年17年，從我第一屆擔任立委開始，我們就一直在爭取這一條，可是沒有辦法有正面回應，還好民進黨政府上任之後，聽到我們的聲音，在111年5月20號行政院核定可行性評估報告，高公局在111年8月展開綜合規劃作業，然後在112年10月20號行政院核定建設計畫，而且這個總建設經費總共是29.76億，可是這沒有包含聯絡道跟側車道，我們這一次也有把聯絡道跟側車道再加進去，因為若沒有聯絡道跟側車道一樣造成地方的問題，我們當時候也在繼續爭取聯絡道跟側車道，所以整個所有的再加上匝道配合款，再加上我們的主線道要維持雙向四車道，並且增設西出跟東入的匝道及輔助車道，還有要提供南133線進出國道8號的功能，所以這一整個預算都大為增加。","還好我們中央有補助，當然地方也有配合，預計是在114年初要發包施工，我們看到現在在做一些細部的作業，所以我們要拜託這不能拖、這絕對不能拖，因為我們南科的發展，幾乎每天到開始上下班的時候，這個地方就是塞車路段，我每天幾乎都要經過，我們每天看到它塞車的時間是越來越長、越來越長，而且越來越提早，因為大家怕塞車，所以提早，結果塞車的時間是越提早，塞車的時間也越長，表示這個不做已經不行了，所以拜託，現在預計114年初發包施工，我們希望要趕快，所以我今天所講的都是現在非常重要，牽扯到所有外環系統、交通網絡，我們扮演的角色越來越重要，所以這個部分我們請部長，對這個部分一定要盯緊腳步。"],["陳部長世凱：是，這個我會盯緊，我那天其實到現場去會勘的時候，您的妹妹也在現場，我們也有請高公局所有的進度都要抓緊，不要去延後，因為我自己在走那一段的時候也看到紅綠燈的過程，確實有造成一些塞車，車子滿多的，這個部分確實要趕快改善。"],["陳委員亭妃：我覺得要爭取一個重大工程，絕對不會是天上掉下來的禮物。我們努力了很久，一路來到現在努力很久，終於看到了一個所有的、重要的成果績效，這個成果績效還沒開始，只有看到一個規模，所以拜託在114年初一定要順利完成發包施工，而且要盯緊所有的進度，重點──交維計畫。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：我們的交維很重要，因為這時間非常的長，範圍非常的廣，所以要交維計畫。","另外就是台61線，其實台61線是接曾文溪橋一直到台86，然後要再接南延到高雄這一條快速道路的部分，就是讓我們的台61線西濱快速道路是一個可以往台86還有往高雄來延伸，這非常重要，所以我今天講的都是整個外環道，而且曾文溪橋是當時候就在這個地方，2016年第一次林全院長在接受我的施政報告質詢的時候，我所提出來，然後林全院長在這裡正式允諾，而且開始啟動所有的相關環評、環差，因為這裡會接近整個生態，所以環評、環差要做得特別仔細，不能影響生態的發展，現在都完成了，所以曾文溪橋現在也已經動工了。好，動工之後，就要進入第二階段，就是曾文溪橋如何連接到臺86，再往高雄延伸，這才是一個重要的外環脈絡，所以我們講的是現階段可以做的，不是遙遙無期的。但目前我看到一個資料，感到非常驚訝，我們的可行性評估報告中提到，公路局刻正依交通部113年10月18日意見修正中（主要意見：加計廣泛性經濟效益後益本比僅1.02……）他用這樣的說法，我嚇得要死，這表示不做嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，其實……"],["陳委員亭妃：後益本比僅……他用「僅」字，你知道大家對於這個文字都很擔心。"],["陳部長世凱：我知道，他們還會再做修正，這個委員不用太擔心。這個部分我們會往前推進，但現在比較大的問題，其實是要跟地方就路廊部分取得共識，這個部分比較關鍵……"],["陳委員亭妃：沒錯。"],["陳部長世凱：也是比較爭議的部分，其他部分我覺得爭議性不大，我們會往前推進。"],["陳委員亭妃：沒有，現在第二階段就是交通部、公路局的整個可行性評估要先確認，如果可行性評估都在空中飛，那麼你叫我們地方怎麼能夠心安？"],["陳部長世凱：明年1月可行性評估在部的部分大概就能完成，公路局就能完成，我們會以那個完成的版本跟地方談路廊的問題，來解決路廊的問題。"],["陳委員亭妃：好，部長，你說的喔！明年1月這個可行性評估就會確認？"],["陳部長世凱：部的部分會確認。"],["陳委員亭妃：部啊，部的部分啊！"],["陳部長世凱：對，對，確認完之後……"],["陳委員亭妃：部沒有確認，你交通部還在講說，哇！這個後益本比只有1.02，好像在跟我們講說，欸！這個好像效益不高喔！"],["陳部長世凱：這個是要再討論的內容，這個不用擔心。"],["陳委員亭妃：是嘛！你這個文字對我們地方來講太可怕了……"],["陳部長世凱：明年1月公路局就會送出來，然後跟地方討論路廊的問題。"],["陳委員亭妃：好，1月喔！交通部這邊就要確認，這一條是一定要做的，你沒有確認，我們地方動不了。另外對於整個廊道部分，基本上你們有四個版本，要拜託部長，這四個版本當中，如何對地方的發展效益最高、能夠創造最大利多，這才是最好的方案。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：這個才是重要的，我想地方也經過好多個提議……"],["陳部長世凱：對，沒錯。"],["陳委員亭妃：好多個提議，所以這個部分要拜託部長，這是我們地方非常重要的建設，在重要的階段當中，我們不希望因為大家的不積極，然後看到這麼重要的一條從臺61直接接臺86的道路，起碼要先接臺86，一定要先接臺86，它的效益才會高，然後第二階段才延伸到高雄，我覺得這個可以做二階考量，這個部分要麻煩部長。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員亭妃：另外一個是臺南機場的問題，臺南機場在12月12號有越南包機，可是我覺得我們應該把臺南機場的重要性往前邁進，不能因為現在大家都坐高鐵，國內班機不飛了，就把它閒置在那邊，我覺得應該要有更好的規劃，拜託，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳委員。","下一位我們請陳俊宇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","賴瑞隆","陳亭妃","陳俊宇","黃捷","李坤城","邱志偉","魯明哲","林沛祥","黃珊珊","陳昭姿","林憶君","羅廷瑋","范雲","李彥秀","王世堅","盧縣一","邱若華","葉元之","何欣純","徐欣瑩","羅美玲","劉建國"],"page_start":109,"meetingDate":["2024-10-22"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00004","1138101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00009"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}