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所以我看了根據健保署的統計,只要國人減少一次就醫的情況,一年可以省下378億點,大約可以為健保省下340億元。"},{"start":632.363,"end":655.176,"text":"國人只要願意稍微改變一下觀念﹖就可以為自身的健康自己共同負責﹖對於節省珍貴的健保支援也是有顯著的幫助﹖當國家在想辦法來拯救這個健保的時候﹖通常有時候會用搶人民荷包的感覺﹖漲健保費在拯救的整個健保﹖"},{"start":655.496,"end":655.656,"text":"部長,你同意嗎?"},{"start":672.08,"end":697.632,"text":"報告委員我非常同意我們一定要推廣self care這種自我照顧這種風氣這也是世界的潮流那政府在這方面也一直努力在推展同時也協助在自我照顧當中總是要有資源當然有包括我們的不管是試癌篩檢、成人健檢還有很多社區的一個服務都是在自我照顧裡面幫助"},{"start":699.733,"end":701.333,"text":"我相信你上臺之後"},{"start":719.538,"end":741.331,"text":"對於健保改革這個問題我相信你也很頭痛啦光是最近正義不修的點子到底要0.95還是要一塊錢其實都已經左右為難了嘛所以本席認為為了解決健保的虧損還有健保的資源的濫用我們是不是先從民眾的自我照顧這個概念開始宣導然後這個政策最主要就是要品轉類"},{"start":742.772,"end":771.346,"text":"將部分的藥,安全無虞的藥品由處方藥轉為指示用藥,並加速指示藥退出健保。所以我剛才講這些就是想說要延伸一個跟自我照護的議題,比較非必要醫生的處方藥應該轉類為指示用藥的問題,像緊急事後避孕藥轉類為指示藥的問題。那部長我想你自己本身是醫生嘛,我相信你知道服用事後避孕藥的時間是不是越快越好呢?"},{"start":774.189,"end":795.965,"text":"是不是呢?謝謝委員,我想那個...最好是在72小時之內,12小時是黃金的時間,是不是呢?對,剛剛講的只是用藥、處方藥,這一個方向我想一直在溝通跟前進,這個我想委員也應該很清楚,那任何一個藥物的使用一定都要跟"},{"start":796.545,"end":812.472,"text":"我們所謂的藥界的專家一切的相關一切的專家共同來評估因為站在一定要站在當然剛剛有時效也是一種考慮效果也是一種考慮還有最重要是站在人民"},{"start":815.493,"end":834.299,"text":"請問一下如果緊急病醫藥現在還要到醫療院所去開然後醫療院所又放假又休整那無法拿藥那民眾平日要下班時間還是額外的請假那才能取到這個用藥那對民眾來說其實是非常的不方便的無法及時順利的解決民眾需要用藥急迫性的問題"},{"start":835.299,"end":839.243,"text":"所以衛福部是不是要來檢討藥品轉類的問題呢而且根據我了解指示藥品及成藥製藥小組就曾經開過這個會然後來討論過將緊急事後必用藥從醫生處方轉類為指示用藥但是根據本席了解這一個會議中有做成了會議結論"},{"start":854.139,"end":859.765,"text":"但是為什麼食藥署10月19日被問卻說跟媒體講說醫師團體等專家評估暫無共識呢?那請問部長為什麼我們衛福部的政策擱到現在還沒有共識呢?為什麼現在還沒共識啊?還是早就有共識?還是根本就是你們衛福部裡面的高層有人不同意呢?拜託部長你身為醫生啊"},{"start":876.622,"end":894.553,"text":"你醫者人心啊拜託千萬你不要讓女性的生育的自主權被剝奪了政府現在都在營造友善的生育的環境怎麼讓女性能夠安心且自由選擇何時懷孕這應該是政府的重要的責任啊可以盡快召開會議討論嗎"},{"start":896.755,"end":923.288,"text":"好,因為這個涉及的層面比較廣泛,社會各界意見也比較分歧,所以我們會趕快再持續來溝通。對啊,你先看一下嘛,現在先進國家幾乎都是變成指示用藥啦,而且他們將緊急事後冰藥,這種是沒有,就是已經是非常安全的藥品了。這早就要轉成指示用藥了嘛,怎麼還要到診所去開呢?診所都休息,這個又有"},{"start":924.108,"end":937.259,"text":"急迫性的我覺得這個齁應該是真的是要回去研議一下是的我們會趕快持續來溝通部長你可以一個月內開會討論嗎請衛福部務必要給本席一個正面的答案我們盡快討論盡快開會討論"},{"start":940.202,"end":954.135,"text":"部長你身為醫生你認為當初以前的台灣實施的醫藥分業的精神是什麼?現在是不是在民眾的醫療上是不是都各扮演了一個角色呢?醫生診斷、藥師用藥、拿藥是不是這樣呢?因為現在醫藥分業還是在藕斷絲綠"},{"start":973.047,"end":975.24,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝林憶君委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:30:25+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:30:26+08:00","text":"請卓院長及邱部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T14:30:26+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:30:27+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓院長備詢，也請邱部長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:30:25.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:30:25.832000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:03.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:03.380000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:24.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:38.842000+08:00","text":"院長，你親自身兼我們花蓮0403地震專案小組的召集人，請問目前投入花蓮0403震災復原重建方案大概285.5億的重建經費是來自哪裡呢？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:39.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:43.646000+08:00","text":"我們當時從賑災基金會以及其他預算上面挪支出來。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:45.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:48.777000+08:00","text":"是從公務預算、特種基金和第二預備金，對不對？對。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:49.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:56.444000+08:00","text":"再請問院長，對於非屬公務預算項目可以支應的部分，是由哪裡哪一個單位負責支應呢？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:57.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:31:58.765000+08:00","text":"非屬公務預算的……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:31:59.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:01.288000+08:00","text":"是不是由賑災基金會負責？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:01.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:07.172000+08:00","text":"如果你是指……賑災有一筆預算專門在做一些補助、救濟等等，這是有的。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:09.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:16.942000+08:00","text":"我再請教部長，部長，賑災基金會是行政院在民國90年動用第二預備金成立的，對吧？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:17.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:24.026000+08:00","text":"它是不是屬於衛福部轄下的公設財團法人，是嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:24.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:26.928000+08:00","text":"報告委員，是的。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:27.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:29.029000+08:00","text":"這樣的話，賑災基金會到底是誰可以管呢？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:30.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:33.932000+08:00","text":"誰可以監督和了解這個單位善款經費的使用情況呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:36.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:36.654000+08:00","text":"是不是衛福部？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:38.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:32:46.722000+08:00","text":"當然衛福部要審慎地使用，應該是行政院在督導。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:32:49.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:33:06.782000+08:00","text":"我們從0403地震開始就不斷地在發文，為了賑災基金會的權責，還有請相關部會提供一些資料，但是大家都回文互踢皮球，然後大家都說跟他們沒有關係、都不是他們主管的，我覺得這真的是太離譜了啦！","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:33:07.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:33:40.955000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教衛福部部長，賑災基金會長期是以賑濟災民為主要業務，在莫拉克風災、高雄美濃地震、八仙塵爆等重大災害中都曾經協助災民，所以今年主要的專案執行是針對0403花蓮震災募款專案，受到行政院的協調來辦理專案募款，將全數用在災民的災害援助、緊急醫療、收容安置、復原重建等四大項目，是不是這樣？是的。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:33:45.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:00.406000+08:00","text":"但是我們花蓮災民都在反映，災情到現在已經半年了，但是他們對於所有相關資訊都還是一無所知，包括經費要到哪裡申請，還有申請的資訊完全不清楚，常常到處問、到處陳情才知道。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:00.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:16.055000+08:00","text":"還有重點是，從花蓮發生0403開始到現在已經半年了，結果在賑災基金會官方網站上面要查詢這整個募款專案的捐款執行使用流向時，竟然什麼資訊都查不到！","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:16.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:28.062000+08:00","text":"甚至想要查這個基金會其他年度和重大災害募款執行的帳務細節時，裡面的資訊也不是非常清楚、也不是很透明，這樣是不是有點太離譜了呢？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:29.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:35.675000+08:00","text":"而且衛福部身為賑災基金會的主管機關，是不是太不負責任了？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:35.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:40.483000+08:00","text":"難道因為現在的董事長是前部長、是政務委員，所以不敢管嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:40.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:34:40.604000+08:00","text":"是這個樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:34:42.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:09.108000+08:00","text":"委員，我建議賑災基金會後面用這幾個字來形容，對在裡面工作的人實在是不當、不宜，他們都很辛苦在做，如果當中有一些或少數或多少的個案，目前整個賑災基金會或是整個重建辦公室的執行過程當中，有效率不及的地方，請委員告訴我們，我們一一地來處理……","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:10.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:13.049000+08:00","text":"因為賑災基金會也是針對災民嘛？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:13.049000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:14.049000+08:00","text":"但是賑災基金會這樣地對他們是……我覺得……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:13.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:14.950000+08:00","text":"我知道他們很辛苦……是啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:15.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:17.510000+08:00","text":"但是我們要知道他們做什麼啊！","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:19.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:24.395000+08:00","text":"大家捐款的是人家的善款，這些用在哪裡，這些細節我們要知道啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:24.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:29.398000+08:00","text":"然後我們要知道這一點，難道都不行嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:29.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:30.699000+08:00","text":"而且這是人民的錢耶！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:32.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:43.749000+08:00","text":"針對這次0403地震重建的捐款，賑災基金會到底有哪些補助的計畫項目還有申請的程序，是不是全部要透明公開呢？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:43.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:44.749000+08:00","text":"而且這些善款用在哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:44.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:45.749000+08:00","text":"究竟是誰說了算，還有為什麼沒有辦法提供這些資料，無法第一時間說清楚這個善款的用途，我們都沒有申請到，你們是藐視國會、欺負國會議員嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:45.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:35:46.749000+08:00","text":"還是善款流向有貓膩呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:35:44.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:36:27.634000+08:00","text":"報告委員，0403花蓮賑災收到的捐款、募款大概有16億，目前將全數用在災民的救援、緊急醫療等等上面，那不是誰說了算，一定有一套標準，我們從各項的補助、傷亡的補助等等都有一定的標準，不是誰說了算，這是一個制度上的問題。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:36:28.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:36:30.696000+08:00","text":"對，但是我們想要了解這個細節嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:36:30.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:36:59.513000+08:00","text":"因為你們都還不是讓人很清楚地、公開透明地讓大家知道人民的捐款用在什麼地方，而且還有一點，花蓮人需要救災、需要救命，政府不是說沒錢，不然就是經費不夠，本席有發現，我們知道賑災就像剛才院長說的是非常地辛苦，沒錯，但是為什麼一個單純負責賑災、救災的基金會，其主管可以爽領高薪，年薪超過幾百萬？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:36:59.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:11.456000+08:00","text":"而且光執行長的月薪就超過十萬元了，就連現在進口的超思雞蛋發生弊案的畜產會，他們一級單位主管的平均月薪也沒有超過十萬元以上，這對災民是多麼諷刺啊！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:14.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.122000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，賑災基金會竟然這樣大剌剌地用政府、用大家捐款的善款、用災民的救命錢、用災難錢在爽領高薪，這樣會公平嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.182000+08:00","text":"這樣合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.462000+08:00","text":"這樣的社會觀感會好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.742000+08:00","text":"那不是養肥貓，怎麼樣才是養肥貓？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:24.742000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:34.348000+08:00","text":"賑災基金會是不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:34.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:57.360000+08:00","text":"委員，這幾位你口中所說的執行長，他的敘薪不是今天發生，也不是上個禮拜發生，長期以來，他有一套人事進用的方式，也有一套敘薪的標準，這個在政府裡面都有，所以他不是說特別養了哪一個人，你特別把他稱作肥貓，我是非常不願意用這樣的字眼來形容，但是委員說的……","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:57.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:58.621000+08:00","text":"那他就要盡他的責任啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:58.621000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:37:59.621000+08:00","text":"然後衛福部是監督的吧……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:37:58.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:38:18.531000+08:00","text":"哪一位人經過認定的標準跟敘薪的標準，在這個位置上他沒有做好這件工作，我們當然從行政、從司法上面都可以來做處分調查，而不是哪一個人坐在這裡，就會變成這樣的定義，那對所有的人，尤其在這裡工作的人是不公平的。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:38:18.531000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:38:19.531000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得他領這樣的薪水，但是他所做的事情，我想院長也知道，當時到花蓮去的時候，我也說你們網站上面根本任何一個資料都查不到嘛，當然在我們的陸續的干涉、監督之下，你們也陸續公布了，但是現在整個情況還是不夠公開透明，所以針對這個，我想院長你是0403花蓮地震的召集人……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:38:18.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:01.221000+08:00","text":"這個我們來檢討，該清楚地向社會公布……制度應該公布，至於補助給誰、若干隱私的部分應該要保障，如果這樣的情況底下，應該要把資訊做必要程度的公開，這個也是賑災基金會本身獲得公信力的一個方式。是啊！","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:02.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:09.692000+08:00","text":"人民捐的善款真的是需要直接全部專款專用，而且要用在花蓮災民的身上。是啊！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:09.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:14.196000+08:00","text":"是不是應該要明確公開給花蓮災民還有全國捐款的民眾知道呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:14.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:24.105000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得你們可能要回去再監督一下，畢竟我剛才也講了，爽領高薪還是要做好自己的工作。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:24.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:27.908000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，希望委員多給鼓勵，該檢討的地方我們一定檢討，謝謝。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:28.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:40.762000+08:00","text":"希望院長和部長務必要重新檢視勸募條件還有捐款的機制，以避免大家愛心遭到不合理還有不法的濫用，這樣以後大家才能相信政府，好不好？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:40.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:39:41.102000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:39:51.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:40:43.535000+08:00","text":"接下來我要問一下小小病自我藥療的概念，落實到大病到醫院、小症狀到藥局的分級醫療概念，在國外自我照顧本來就是一個很廣泛而且非常正確的觀念，民眾在身體不舒服的時候，只要到附近的社區藥局，透過藥師的協助購買成藥還有指示用藥來緩解症狀或評估是否就醫，其實這也是這幾年隨著先進國家推廣的國民健康政策，所以在保障用藥安全的前提下，推動自我照顧的觀念，對健保而言更是減少醫療費用的支出，並節省了需要費時就醫看診的社會成本，其實這個是現在國際醫療的趨勢，早已經把自我藥療列為重要的衛生政策。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:40:45.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:41:08.650000+08:00","text":"根據健保署的統計，只要國人減少一次就醫的情況，一年可以省下378億點，大約可以為健保省下340億元，國人只要願意稍微改變一下觀念，就可以為自身的健康自己共同負責，對於節省珍貴的健保資源也是有顯著的幫助。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:41:09.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:41:20.656000+08:00","text":"當國家在想方法來拯救整個健保的時候，通常有時候會有搶人民荷包的感覺，漲健保費在拯救整個健保，但是自我照顧，我覺得是根本解決健保體質的解方之一，所以我覺得我們應該要學習先進國家推廣國民健康政策，提升自我照顧的觀念，部長，你同意嗎？","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:41:37.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:42:04.733000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我非常同意我們一定要推廣自我照顧（Self-Care）的風氣，這也是世界的潮流，政府在這方面也一直努力推展，同時也協助在自我照顧當中總是要有的資源，當然也包括不管是四癌篩檢、成人健檢，還有很多的社區服務都是在自我照顧裡面，幫助我們民眾來給他們Self-Care。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:42:04.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:42:05.733000+08:00","text":"剛才部長有講說那是我們政府要推動，沒錯！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:42:04.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:42:33.784000+08:00","text":"我查了一個資料，10年前衛福部就已經發了一個新聞稿表示，103年的時候要強力推動自我藥療，結果10年了，現在一點成果也沒有，部長，我相信你上臺之後，對於健保改革的問題，我相信你也很頭痛，光是最近爭議不休的點值到底要0.95還是要1塊錢，其實都已經左右為難了嘛！","quality":0.463},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:42:34.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:42:44.330000+08:00","text":"所以本席認為，為了解決健保的虧損還有健保資源的濫用，我們是不是先從民眾自我照顧的概念開始宣導？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:42:44.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:42:54.515000+08:00","text":"而這個政策最主要就是藥品轉類，將部分安全無虞的藥品由處方藥轉為指示用藥，並加速指示藥退出健保。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:42:55.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:09.843000+08:00","text":"我剛才講這些就是想要延伸一個跟自我照顧議題、比較非必要醫生的處方藥應該轉類為指示用藥的問題，像緊急事後避孕藥轉類為指示藥的問題。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:09.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:16.326000+08:00","text":"部長，我想你自己本身是醫生，我相信你知道服用事後避孕藥的時間是不是越快越好呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:19.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:20.010000+08:00","text":"是不是呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:20.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:21.751000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我想那個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:21.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:25.574000+08:00","text":"最好是在72小時之內，12小時是黃金時間，是不是呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:27.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:47.247000+08:00","text":"對，剛剛講的指示用藥、處方藥，這一個方向我想一直在溝通跟前進，我想委員也應該很清楚，任何一個藥物的使用一定都要跟所謂藥界的專家、醫界的專家共同……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:47.247000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:48.247000+08:00","text":"這個我剛才已經講過了，自我藥療……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:43:47.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:43:57.452000+08:00","text":"共同來評估，因為一定要站在……當然你剛剛說的時效也是一種考慮、效果也是一種考慮，還有最重要是站在人民的立場，怎麼樣讓他最快得到健康的照顧。","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:00.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:21.340000+08:00","text":"部長，請問一下，如果緊急避孕藥現在還要到醫療院所去開，然後醫療院所又放假、又休診而無法拿藥，民眾平日要下班時間還是額外的請假才能取到這個用藥，對民眾來說其實是非常不方便的，無法及時、順利地解決民眾需要用藥的急迫性問題，所以衛福部是不是要來檢討藥品轉類的問題呢？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:21.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:23.603000+08:00","text":"而且根據我的了解，指示藥品及成藥諮議小組就曾經開過這個會，討論過將緊急事後避孕藥從醫生處方轉類為指示用藥。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:23.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:40.981000+08:00","text":"但根據本席的了解，這一個會議中有做成了會議結論，但是為什麼食藥署10月19號被問時卻跟媒體講說，醫師團體等專家評估暫無共識。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:41.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:41.622000+08:00","text":"請問部長，為什麼衛福部的政策擱到現在還沒有共識呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:41.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:43.063000+08:00","text":"為什麼現在還沒共識，還是早就有共識？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:43.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:44:44.144000+08:00","text":"還是根本就是你們衛福部裡面的高層有人不同意呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:44:44.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:03.323000+08:00","text":"拜託部長，你身為醫生，醫者仁心，拜託！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:03.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:19.553000+08:00","text":"你千萬不要讓女性生育的自主權被剝奪了，政府現在都在營造友善的生育環境，怎麼樣讓女性能夠安心且自由選擇何時懷孕，這應該是政府重要的責任，可以儘快召開會議討論嗎？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:19.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:22.115000+08:00","text":"你是不是可以回去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:22.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:29.119000+08:00","text":"因為這個涉及的層面比較廣泛，社會各界的意見也比較分歧，所以我們會趕快再持續來溝通、評估。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:29.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:45.987000+08:00","text":"對啊，你現在看一下，現在先進國家幾乎都是變成指示用藥了，而且緊急事後避孕藥這種已經是非常安全的藥品了，早就要轉成指示用藥了，怎麼還要到診所去開呢？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:46.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:53.151000+08:00","text":"診所都休息，這個又有急迫性，我覺得這個真的應該要回去研議一下。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:54.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:56.474000+08:00","text":"好，是的，我們會趕快持續來溝通、評估。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:56.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:45:59.577000+08:00","text":"部長，你可以一個月內開會討論嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:45:59.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:01.418000+08:00","text":"請衛福部務必要給本席一個正面的答復。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:02.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:02.259000+08:00","text":"好，我們儘快開會討論。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:05.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:11.028000+08:00","text":"部長，你身為醫生，你認為以前臺灣實施的醫藥分業精神是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:11.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:15.692000+08:00","text":"現在在民眾的醫療上，是不是都各自扮演了一個角色呢？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:16.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:18.495000+08:00","text":"醫生診斷，藥師用藥、拿藥，是不是這樣呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:18.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:19.495000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我想……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:18.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:19.135000+08:00","text":"因為現在醫藥分業還是藕斷絲連。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:19.135000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:25.439000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:25.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:31.743000+08:00","text":"沒有讓醫生和藥師的專業完全放在正確的位置上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:31.743000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:38.047000+08:00","text":"好，我們一定把各個專業放到最適當的位置上，共同來照顧人民的健康。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員憶君","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:38.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:39.797000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長、謝謝院長。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:40.297000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:48.011286+08:00","text":"謝謝林憶君委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢，謝謝。","quality":0.259},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:48.311286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:46:59.168429+08:00","text":"報告院會，現在在2樓的是遠從彰化縣芳苑鄉來我們立法院參觀的新寶國民小學的同學，歡迎！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T14:46:59.468429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:47:02.897000+08:00","text":"我們國家未來的主人翁，加油！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-22T14:47:03.197000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-22T14:47:08.054143+08:00","text":"接下來我們請登記第5號羅廷瑋委員質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":2,"blocks":[["林委員憶君：（14時31分）請卓院長及邱部長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢，也請邱部長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：林委員好。"],["邱部長泰源：委員好。"],["林委員憶君：院長，你親自身兼我們花蓮0403地震專案小組的召集人，請問目前投入花蓮0403震災復原重建方案大概285.5億的重建經費是來自哪裡呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們當時從賑災基金會以及其他預算上面挪支出來。"],["林委員憶君：是從公務預算、特種基金和第二預備金，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["林委員憶君：再請問院長，對於非屬公務預算項目可以支應的部分，是由哪裡哪一個單位負責支應呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：非屬公務預算的……"],["林委員憶君：是不是由賑災基金會負責？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果你是指……賑災有一筆預算專門在做一些補助、救濟等等，這是有的。"],["林委員憶君：我再請教部長，部長，賑災基金會是行政院在民國90年動用第二預備金成立的，對吧？它是不是屬於衛福部轄下的公設財團法人，是嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，是的。"],["林委員憶君：這樣的話，賑災基金會到底是誰可以管呢？誰可以監督和了解這個單位善款經費的使用情況呢？是不是衛福部？"],["邱部長泰源：當然衛福部要審慎地使用，應該是行政院在督導。"],["林委員憶君：我們從0403地震開始就不斷地在發文，為了賑災基金會的權責，還有請相關部會提供一些資料，但是大家都回文互踢皮球，然後大家都說跟他們沒有關係、都不是他們主管的，我覺得這真的是太離譜了啦！","所以我想請教衛福部部長，賑災基金會長期是以賑濟災民為主要業務，在莫拉克風災、高雄美濃地震、八仙塵爆等重大災害中都曾經協助災民，所以今年主要的專案執行是針對0403花蓮震災募款專案，受到行政院的協調來辦理專案募款，將全數用在災民的災害援助、緊急醫療、收容安置、復原重建等四大項目，是不是這樣？"],["邱部長泰源：是的。"],["林委員憶君：但是我們花蓮災民都在反映，災情到現在已經半年了，但是他們對於所有相關資訊都還是一無所知，包括經費要到哪裡申請，還有申請的資訊完全不清楚，常常到處問、到處陳情才知道。還有重點是，從花蓮發生0403開始到現在已經半年了，結果在賑災基金會官方網站上面要查詢這整個募款專案的捐款執行使用流向時，竟然什麼資訊都查不到！甚至想要查這個基金會其他年度和重大災害募款執行的帳務細節時，裡面的資訊也不是非常清楚、也不是很透明，這樣是不是有點太離譜了呢？而且衛福部身為賑災基金會的主管機關，是不是太不負責任了？難道因為現在的董事長是前部長、是政務委員，所以不敢管嗎？是這個樣子嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我建議賑災基金會後面用這幾個字來形容，對在裡面工作的人實在是不當、不宜，他們都很辛苦在做，如果當中有一些或少數或多少的個案，目前整個賑災基金會或是整個重建辦公室的執行過程當中，有效率不及的地方，請委員告訴我們，我們一一地來處理……"],["林委員憶君：因為賑災基金會也是針對災民嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：但是賑災基金會這樣地對他們是……我覺得……"],["林委員憶君：我知道他們很辛苦……"],["卓院長榮泰：是啊！"],["林委員憶君：但是我們要知道他們做什麼啊！大家捐款的是人家的善款，這些用在哪裡，這些細節我們要知道啊！然後我們要知道這一點，難道都不行嗎？而且這是人民的錢耶！針對這次0403地震重建的捐款，賑災基金會到底有哪些補助的計畫項目還有申請的程序，是不是全部要透明公開呢？而且這些善款用在哪裡？究竟是誰說了算，還有為什麼沒有辦法提供這些資料，無法第一時間說清楚這個善款的用途，我們都沒有申請到，你們是藐視國會、欺負國會議員嗎？還是善款流向有貓膩呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，0403花蓮賑災收到的捐款、募款大概有16億，目前將全數用在災民的救援、緊急醫療等等上面，那不是誰說了算，一定有一套標準，我們從各項的補助、傷亡的補助等等都有一定的標準，不是誰說了算，這是一個制度上的問題。"],["林委員憶君：對，但是我們想要了解這個細節嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["林委員憶君：因為你們都還不是讓人很清楚地、公開透明地讓大家知道人民的捐款用在什麼地方，而且還有一點，花蓮人需要救災、需要救命，政府不是說沒錢，不然就是經費不夠，本席有發現，我們知道賑災就像剛才院長說的是非常地辛苦，沒錯，但是為什麼一個單純負責賑災、救災的基金會，其主管可以爽領高薪，年薪超過幾百萬？而且光執行長的月薪就超過十萬元了，就連現在進口的超思雞蛋發生弊案的畜產會，他們一級單位主管的平均月薪也沒有超過十萬元以上，這對災民是多麼諷刺啊！院長、部長，賑災基金會竟然這樣大剌剌地用政府、用大家捐款的善款、用災民的救命錢、用災難錢在爽領高薪，這樣會公平嗎？這樣合理嗎？這樣的社會觀感會好嗎？那不是養肥貓，怎麼樣才是養肥貓？賑災基金會是不是……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，這幾位你口中所說的執行長，他的敘薪不是今天發生，也不是上個禮拜發生，長期以來，他有一套人事進用的方式，也有一套敘薪的標準，這個在政府裡面都有，所以他不是說特別養了哪一個人，你特別把他稱作肥貓，我是非常不願意用這樣的字眼來形容，但是委員說的……"],["林委員憶君：那他就要盡他的責任啊！然後衛福部是監督的吧……"],["卓院長榮泰：哪一位人經過認定的標準跟敘薪的標準，在這個位置上他沒有做好這件工作，我們當然從行政、從司法上面都可以來做處分調查，而不是哪一個人坐在這裡，就會變成這樣的定義，那對所有的人，尤其在這裡工作的人是不公平的。"],["林委員憶君：因為我覺得他領這樣的薪水，但是他所做的事情，我想院長也知道，當時到花蓮去的時候，我也說你們網站上面根本任何一個資料都查不到嘛，當然在我們的陸續的干涉、監督之下，你們也陸續公布了，但是現在整個情況還是不夠公開透明，所以針對這個，我想院長你是0403花蓮地震的召集人……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個我們來檢討，該清楚地向社會公布……制度應該公布，至於補助給誰、若干隱私的部分應該要保障，如果這樣的情況底下，應該要把資訊做必要程度的公開，這個也是賑災基金會本身獲得公信力的一個方式。"],["林委員憶君：是啊！人民捐的善款真的是需要直接全部專款專用，而且要用在花蓮災民的身上。"],["卓院長榮泰：是啊！"],["林委員憶君：是不是應該要明確公開給花蓮災民還有全國捐款的民眾知道呢？所以我覺得你們可能要回去再監督一下，畢竟我剛才也講了，爽領高薪還是要做好自己的工作。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝，希望委員多給鼓勵，該檢討的地方我們一定檢討，謝謝。"],["林委員憶君：希望院長和部長務必要重新檢視勸募條件還有捐款的機制，以避免大家愛心遭到不合理還有不法的濫用，這樣以後大家才能相信政府，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝。"],["林委員憶君：接下來我要問一下小小病自我藥療的概念，落實到大病到醫院、小症狀到藥局的分級醫療概念，在國外自我照顧本來就是一個很廣泛而且非常正確的觀念，民眾在身體不舒服的時候，只要到附近的社區藥局，透過藥師的協助購買成藥還有指示用藥來緩解症狀或評估是否就醫，其實這也是這幾年隨著先進國家推廣的國民健康政策，所以在保障用藥安全的前提下，推動自我照顧的觀念，對健保而言更是減少醫療費用的支出，並節省了需要費時就醫看診的社會成本，其實這個是現在國際醫療的趨勢，早已經把自我藥療列為重要的衛生政策。根據健保署的統計，只要國人減少一次就醫的情況，一年可以省下378億點，大約可以為健保省下340億元，國人只要願意稍微改變一下觀念，就可以為自身的健康自己共同負責，對於節省珍貴的健保資源也是有顯著的幫助。","當國家在想方法來拯救整個健保的時候，通常有時候會有搶人民荷包的感覺，漲健保費在拯救整個健保，但是自我照顧，我覺得是根本解決健保體質的解方之一，所以我覺得我們應該要學習先進國家推廣國民健康政策，提升自我照顧的觀念，部長，你同意嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我非常同意我們一定要推廣自我照顧（Self-Care）的風氣，這也是世界的潮流，政府在這方面也一直努力推展，同時也協助在自我照顧當中總是要有的資源，當然也包括不管是四癌篩檢、成人健檢，還有很多的社區服務都是在自我照顧裡面，幫助我們民眾來給他們Self-Care。"],["林委員憶君：剛才部長有講說那是我們政府要推動，沒錯！我查了一個資料，10年前衛福部就已經發了一個新聞稿表示，103年的時候要強力推動自我藥療，結果10年了，現在一點成果也沒有，部長，我相信你上臺之後，對於健保改革的問題，我相信你也很頭痛，光是最近爭議不休的點值到底要0.95還是要1塊錢，其實都已經左右為難了嘛！所以本席認為，為了解決健保的虧損還有健保資源的濫用，我們是不是先從民眾自我照顧的概念開始宣導？而這個政策最主要就是藥品轉類，將部分安全無虞的藥品由處方藥轉為指示用藥，並加速指示藥退出健保。我剛才講這些就是想要延伸一個跟自我照顧議題、比較非必要醫生的處方藥應該轉類為指示用藥的問題，像緊急事後避孕藥轉類為指示藥的問題。部長，我想你自己本身是醫生，我相信你知道服用事後避孕藥的時間是不是越快越好呢？是不是呢？"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員，我想那個……"],["林委員憶君：最好是在72小時之內，12小時是黃金時間，是不是呢？"],["邱部長泰源：對，剛剛講的指示用藥、處方藥，這一個方向我想一直在溝通跟前進，我想委員也應該很清楚，任何一個藥物的使用一定都要跟所謂藥界的專家、醫界的專家共同……"],["林委員憶君：這個我剛才已經講過了，自我藥療……"],["邱部長泰源：共同來評估，因為一定要站在……當然你剛剛說的時效也是一種考慮、效果也是一種考慮，還有最重要是站在人民的立場，怎麼樣讓他最快得到健康的照顧。"],["林委員憶君：部長，請問一下，如果緊急避孕藥現在還要到醫療院所去開，然後醫療院所又放假、又休診而無法拿藥，民眾平日要下班時間還是額外的請假才能取到這個用藥，對民眾來說其實是非常不方便的，無法及時、順利地解決民眾需要用藥的急迫性問題，所以衛福部是不是要來檢討藥品轉類的問題呢？而且根據我的了解，指示藥品及成藥諮議小組就曾經開過這個會，討論過將緊急事後避孕藥從醫生處方轉類為指示用藥。但根據本席的了解，這一個會議中有做成了會議結論，但是為什麼食藥署10月19號被問時卻跟媒體講說，醫師團體等專家評估暫無共識。請問部長，為什麼衛福部的政策擱到現在還沒有共識呢？為什麼現在還沒共識，還是早就有共識？還是根本就是你們衛福部裡面的高層有人不同意呢？拜託部長，你身為醫生，醫者仁心，拜託！你千萬不要讓女性生育的自主權被剝奪了，政府現在都在營造友善的生育環境，怎麼樣讓女性能夠安心且自由選擇何時懷孕，這應該是政府重要的責任，可以儘快召開會議討論嗎？你是不是可以回去……"],["邱部長泰源：因為這個涉及的層面比較廣泛，社會各界的意見也比較分歧，所以我們會趕快再持續來溝通、評估。"],["林委員憶君：對啊，你現在看一下，現在先進國家幾乎都是變成指示用藥了，而且緊急事後避孕藥這種已經是非常安全的藥品了，早就要轉成指示用藥了，怎麼還要到診所去開呢？診所都休息，這個又有急迫性，我覺得這個真的應該要回去研議一下。"],["邱部長泰源：好，是的，我們會趕快持續來溝通、評估。"],["林委員憶君：部長，你可以一個月內開會討論嗎？請衛福部務必要給本席一個正面的答復。"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們儘快開會討論。"],["林委員憶君：部長，你身為醫生，你認為以前臺灣實施的醫藥分業精神是什麼？現在在民眾的醫療上，是不是都各自扮演了一個角色呢？醫生診斷，藥師用藥、拿藥，是不是這樣呢？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我想……"],["林委員憶君：因為現在醫藥分業還是藕斷絲連。"],["邱部長泰源：我們臺灣……"],["林委員憶君：沒有讓醫生和藥師的專業完全放在正確的位置上。"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們一定把各個專業放到最適當的位置上，共同來照顧人民的健康。"],["林委員憶君：好，謝謝部長、謝謝院長。"],["主席：謝謝林憶君委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢，謝謝。","報告院會，現在在2樓的是遠從彰化縣芳苑鄉來我們立法院參觀的新寶國民小學的同學，歡迎！我們國家未來的主人翁，加油！","接下來我們請登記第5號羅廷瑋委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","賴瑞隆","陳亭妃","陳俊宇","黃捷","李坤城","邱志偉","魯明哲","林沛祥","黃珊珊","陳昭姿","林憶君","羅廷瑋","范雲","李彥秀","王世堅","盧縣一","邱若華","葉元之","何欣純","徐欣瑩","羅美玲","劉建國"],"page_start":109,"meetingDate":["2024-10-22"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00004","1138101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00009"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}