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台灣已經解說了 判決了這37日 我要問的就是若一帝國是不是 阿伯我們可以繼續下去嗎就是這個理由 一帝國的這個理由這關過嘛 其他的不可能用其他的理由當然其他的理由要經過 經過最高檢察署 檢察總統去做審核所以若一帝國的就是法務部現在可以"},{"start":723.243,"end":724.264,"text":"因為這發露一個"},{"start":752.725,"end":765.178,"text":"因為全民都在期待,你不能把這個做到要變成我們立法院在打,因為你如果說是我們就要求法務部要去執行"},{"start":772.711,"end":789.598,"text":"啊你現在你司法院你要有一個態度出來啊,所以我跟你說不要跟你為難,我每次跟你問你要不要拿回去給我看清楚啊,他意志什麼了啊,現在來,啊不好來,你說他如果沒有受訓練就到了這條刑事訴訟法,我一定要跟你問嘛,這是應該你拿出來嘛,你有要拿出來嗎?"},{"start":795.749,"end":797.893,"text":"稅務行政事件審理法及法制委員會第11屆第2會期司法院函請審查司法院函請審查"},{"start":806.619,"end":806.639,"text":"議員：謝龍介議員"},{"start":826.665,"end":843.353,"text":"當然 行政法院組織法部分條文修正草案是他們的案：謝龍介因為這個部份他們沒有提出來：謝龍介我們沒辦法去要求法務部處理：謝龍介但是我就請副秘書長：謝龍介就你所答應的部分：謝龍介來算明好不好：謝龍介你這條先提出來：謝龍介因為這條我告訴過你嘛："},{"start":853.373,"end":867.483,"text":"對嗎?你有印象嗎?我跟你問過,我剛才跟你問過,這個這款是不是在你手上嗎?你說是嘛。受刑能力的部分一定是,因為實際上執行是檢查那邊嘛。所以,我們這邊是配套的,我只要檢查看看,這條你現在沒有打開,現在沒有人跟他打手嘛。他是不是有受刑能力?他是不是7天、8天、15天關掉他神經效益啊?"},{"start":877.651,"end":878.452,"text":"現在沒辦法判斷19到20,發不報也沒辦法執行。"},{"start":885.546,"end":887.567,"text":"我這部分一定要一整個部分不可能隨便單獨去處理啦因為這部分是發布報告"},{"start":916.046,"end":918.468,"text":"提及三十七的施行案．逮捕．作動．毫無補免．他沒辦法去執行本．毫無補免．就理由牽連．司法院就阿沒收尾．說我沒辦法去執行啊。"},{"start":929.13,"end":934.638,"text":"主席問題在這裡嘛 我不是在說法律 了解了解 教育委員這樣好不好 因為這阿堪修法的問題齁 咱來就安排來這樣推什麼 這樣好不好 因為已經副秘書員有申請了 你也問得比較清楚 大家了解你的意思嗎 在這裡啦 了解得沒問題 咱來處理啦 謝謝 謝謝謝委員"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":746,"blocks":[["謝委員龍介：（11時52分）感謝主席。請黃副秘書長。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：委員好。"],["謝委員龍介：副秘書長，辛苦了。對你很不好意思，沒辦法，因為你代理秘書長。我請問你，你什麼時候要去履新？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：如果說能夠順利產生我們新的長官，當然他就可以儘早去準備，現在不是我自己能夠決定的，但是已經通過了，因為現在……"],["謝委員龍介：如果新的院長沒有出來，就要把你吊到半空中嗎？可以這樣嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，如果沒有產生新的院長，也許會有代理的司法院長。"],["謝委員龍介：對，就有人代理了，對不對？現在剩下的那8個競爭很激烈，難道一定要大法官代理？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：依照我們的規定，是要總統在大法官之內去……"],["謝委員龍介：你是有得罪他們嗎？你有得罪到他們嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：沒有。跟委員報告，因為我們的調動都是符合法官志願的，都是法律有保障的，所以一定是有照各個……"],["謝委員龍介：像我來這裡，都要請你來，大法官都不能來，我也沒辦法請你來啊，所以有人問你的時候，我會於心不忍。我請教你，因為我對大法官不予認同，不是對他們的個人，憲法宣判廢死之後，後面其他的案，包括新的案，我不會只對那個案的判決表達意見，我代表人民，我反映人民不服的聲音，但是新的案件就是新的，一個case一個case不一樣，對不對？我也不會因為他個人而表達意見，人都有個人的意志，我們都尊重，但是當你的判決違背了我代表的民意的時候，人民給我的壓力，要我來這裡表達人民的聲音，所以變成只能對你表達，我不知道我前幾次那樣請問你之後，你有回去轉達他們嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，其實憲法法庭是很獨立在運作，我也沒有資格列席憲法法庭。"],["謝委員龍介：沒有，你轉達我的意思，轉達百姓的心聲啊。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：委員在立法院垂詢的事情，其實不用我報告，媒體上面都有。"],["謝委員龍介：沒有，即使上面有，他們也不一定會看啊。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我沒有辦法，也沒有資格去請示，問他們有沒有看這個看那個。"],["謝委員龍介：不然也寫一封信給我，表示一下，讓我向我的支持者、人民答覆，因為我晚上在直播時都會說大法官都沒有打電話來，也沒有表示意見。","我請教你，很重要的就是，因為這個後面就牽涉到指引判決之後，我們要怎麼做，這個就很重要了，我還記得之前媒體有報導一個詐騙集團有一個姓蘇的車手頭子，有兩個車手被抓到，這兩個車手被抓到之後，把他供出來，就把這個姓蘇的供出來，說都是他叫他們去領錢的，他們領了錢都交給他了，結果他們供出來之後他不服，要跟他們見面之前就把槍準備好了，槍就準備好了，武器都準備好了，後來他們來了之後，他是用槍決犯人的那種方式，左手拿槍，應該是陳姓和楊姓這兩個領錢的車手，他們只是領錢的車手而已，因為他們把上游供出來，就被他先對其中一個對準太陽穴開兩槍，接著再對這個姓楊的開兩槍，就這樣把他們打死，這則報導你有沒有看到？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，我這部分沒看到。"],["謝委員龍介：你知不知道我說的這個案情大概的過程？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：委員說得很詳細，我大概……"],["謝委員龍介：在這次113年憲判第8號的旨意就是，必須要犯下最嚴重的犯罪才能判死刑，對不對？像他這樣，事先就準備好要讓他們兩個死，又事先把武器準備好，然後用這種手段打死他們，你看這樣有算是最嚴重的犯行嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，在訴訟的過程，比如這個案件再調查下去有一些……"],["謝委員龍介：我在說的是這個案件的過程，就是這樣的犯行有算最嚴重的犯行嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：可能要看具體的事實，因為以審判過程，如果只有這樣的事實，將來去調查之後，還要知道到底是什麼原因、什麼背景……"],["謝委員龍介：再來就是說，一審沒有判死刑，一審判無期徒刑，判無期徒刑的意思是什麼？說他跟家屬達成和解了，因為他有跟死者的家屬和解，所以判無期徒刑，沒有判死刑。然後這個被告再上訴，要再減輕他的罪刑，希望再輕判。一審說他和家屬和解了。我請教你，你們過去的判決經驗，有跟家屬和解但是沒有付錢，這樣算有和解還是沒和解？我要賠你600萬，但是我一毛錢都沒有給你，這樣算有和解還是沒和解？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，和解是說好有和解，假設發生像委員你剛才說的，事後並沒有履行……"],["謝委員龍介：都沒有履行。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：有履行，比如案件上訴到高等法院，這種情形可能……"],["謝委員龍介：判決的時候要問一下，法官難道不可以問一下被害者有沒有和解？錢有沒有給？現在在宣判的時候常常用有和解來減刑，所以我認為這個法官真有這麼簡單就被騙嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：個案的審判我沒有參與，我不知道，但是正常律師，比如告訴代理人、被害者有跟檢察官說，如果在……"],["謝委員龍介：現在大法官的意思就是，要是無差別、隨機殺人這種，還有很嚴重的犯行，才有可能判死刑，這個案子犯案者不是隨機的，也不是無差別的，而是準備要讓對方死的，這樣卻不能判死刑，是不是這樣？大法官解釋是這樣，所以法官都要照這樣判嘛。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：只是一個舉例啦。"],["謝委員龍介：什麼舉例，這是實例。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：對，我知道，但是具體的情形要看各種情況，現在舉這個例子，但是其他的情形綜合起來，沒有辦法講一定啦。"],["謝委員龍介：我不是只有舉這個例，比如臺南有兩個警察，被一個姓林的兇犯殺死，這兩個警察要對他取締，結果他拿彈簧刀殺他們，一個殺17刀、一個殺38刀，你如果身為家屬去到現場，就會覺得從沒看過人死得這麼悽慘，家屬的無奈，這種算不算犯下最嚴重的犯行？是不是？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：要看個別情形，當然這是很嚴重的犯罪。"],["謝委員龍介：這算不是故意的，是臨時起意的，如果是這樣，照大法官現在的解釋，這個是不會判死刑的，是這樣嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我剛才說的大法官的理由是舉例，實際上要看其他各種當時發生的所有經過……"],["謝委員龍介：因為大法官把判例都解釋了，那麼以下三審的法官要怎麼樣才能超越大法官的意志，就判死刑？顯然這個就不可能判死刑了。主席，稍坐一下，讓我說完，這很重要，因為這37個死刑犯後面要怎麼處理……"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我剛才跟委員報告，大法官是一個例釋，可能具體的情形還要去討論，而且……"],["謝委員龍介：如果是這樣，現在這37個死刑犯，大法官釋憲至今已經一、兩個月了，你們有去查這些人，這37個當時都有一致決嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：現在法務部的非常上訴正在審查當中。"],["謝委員龍介：沒有啦！我是說大法官解釋了以後，他們有去看這37個死刑犯當時審判有沒有一致決。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：現在最高法院在查……"],["謝委員龍介：查完了沒有？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：因為有好幾件案件是很久的案子，要調較早的檔案，有的檔案已經不見了。"],["謝委員龍介：拜託！你是內行人，評議簿查一查就知道。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：因為有好幾件的簿子已經超過保存期限，超過保存期限，所以要用另外的方式去查，不是都有……"],["謝委員龍介：查幾個了？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們一直跟最高法院說，請他們……"],["謝委員龍介：因為如果有一致決的，就不用再非常上訴了，不是嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：其他的情形……"],["謝委員龍介：沒有，即使是其他的情形，有一致決的就不用，我要問你的意思是，如果有一致決的，如果沒有牽涉到後面，這37個人打死61個人，這61個人有被姦殺的，有被放火燒死的，也有被拿刀殺死的，也有被拿槍打死的，我告訴你，這是很惡劣的，所以現在大法官已經解釋、判決了，我要問的就是，這37個死刑犯如果是一致決的，是不是後面可以繼續下去？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：就是一致決這個理由這關通過，他們不可能再用其他的理由，用其他的理由要經過最高檢察署檢察總長去審核。"],["謝委員龍介：如果有一致決的，就是法務部可以處決就對了！"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：看有沒有其他理由，就是這一點要求過了……"],["謝委員龍介：所謂其他理由，就是他們有沒有受刑能力。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：受刑能力是說精神鑑定……"],["謝委員龍介：如果他們在收容的過程中，在監獄裡都沒有去精神病院看病，也沒有看精神科，就表示這些人有受刑能力，是不是？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，具體個案的審酌，我沒辦法在這裡說他是不是一定有受刑能力。"],["謝委員龍介：因為這個法律有一個標準，有一個門檻在那邊，過了以後就是決定會和不會，這很重要，因為全民都在期待，你不能讓這個罪到最後變成是立法院在扛，因為你如果讓我們來核實，我們就會要求法務部要去執行，你司法院要有一個態度出來啊！所以我跟你說我不要為難你，我每次問你的，你要拿回去向大法官請教啊！他意旨寫完了，好，現在我們來講，你說他如果沒有受刑能力就對了，這是有關於刑事訴訟法，我上次問你們，這條應該是你們要提出的，你有要提出嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：刑事訴訟法相關的部分，我們正在研議當中，但是……"],["謝委員龍介：我跟你講，這條在109年那時就有了，109年就有這條了，刑事訴訟法第四百六十五條中的受刑能力，連草案也都有了，我問你是不是半年內可以送出來，主席，那時也是你主持的。"],["主席：謝委員，上次法務部長來備詢的時候，他有問過相關的問題，因為這和司法院……"],["謝委員龍介：沒有，這是他們的職權啊。"],["主席：當然刑事訴訟法是他們在管……"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：還有監獄行刑法，監獄行刑法是……"],["主席：你在講的還有法務部要執行的部分。"],["謝委員龍介：沒有，因為這個部分，他們如果沒有拿出來，我們沒辦法去要求法務部處理啊。"],["主席：那我就請副秘書長就你所詢問的部分來說明，好不好？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：還有監獄行刑法，不是只有刑訴法，刑訴法之外，還有監獄行刑法要有更具體的規劃。"],["謝委員龍介：你這條先拿出來，因為這條我跟你說過了，對不對？你有印象嗎？我問過你，我上次問你，這個職權是不是在你們司法院，你說是。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：受刑能力的部分一定是，因為實際上執行是檢察官那邊，所以我們這邊是配套……"],["謝委員龍介：但是這一條你現在沒有處理，就沒有人敢動手。他是不是有受刑能力？他是不是關7年、8年、15年以後，他得了精神病、瘋了，現在沒辦法判斷，屆時到最後法務部也無法執行，這樣你聽懂了嗎？"],["主席：關於這部分，謝委員，我們共同來推動，好不好？"],["謝委員龍介：不然你看多久可以送過來。"],["主席：你說一句話，做個說明，把這個質詢……"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：因為執行的部分不可能司法院單獨去處理，這個部分是法務部在執行的。"],["謝委員龍介：我知道，我說你給一個時間，因為109年都已經有草案，也有研議過，你們一直不要送出來，不要送出來，就是兩個態度，第一個就是法不完備，你們還在研議，第二個就是刻意要替這37個死刑犯解套、阻擋，法務部變成沒辦法執行，法務部就有理由站在你們那邊，說司法院都還沒修，所以沒辦法執行，主席，問題在這裡。我不是有說……"],["主席：了解，謝委員，這樣好不好？因為這個牽涉到修法的問題，我們再安排來推動，這樣好不好？因為副秘書長已經有說明了，你也問得很清楚，大家了解你的意思了，謝謝。"],["謝委員龍介：有了解，就沒有面對。"],["主席：我們來處理。謝謝，謝謝，謝謝謝委員，謝謝黃副秘書長。","接下來有請洪委員孟楷發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":198,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-10","speakers":["鍾佳濱","黃國昌","謝龍介","羅智強","沈發惠","吳宗憲","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","莊瑞雄","翁曉玲",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