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們還是要看民間的反應。"],["林委員德福：對啊！當然我們也希望要有深度的節約、節能計畫，本席也希望行政院推動一些省水產品，能夠做一些補助，運用部分耗水費收入來補助民眾更換省水的洗衣機、省水的馬桶，這樣既能節水又能夠減碳，一舉兩得！我請問卓院長，在114年是否有省水補助的相關計畫來幫助民眾汰換這些耗水的產品？有沒有？"],["郭部長智輝：我們會在這一次的深度節能計畫裡面把這些耗能的設備能夠更新，這個部分是有在計畫裡面。"],["林委員德福：有在計畫裡面，就是有補助？因為有補助才有誘因嘛！你沒有補助更換，它一樣耗那麼多的水。"],["郭部長智輝：是。"],["林委員德福：你要是有補助，那可能就有誘因，其實有很多其他的產品，政府認為可以節能就進行補助，有補助就有誘因，長期下來就可以節省很多的水。"],["郭部長智輝：是，我們會把委員這個寶貴的意見帶回去，再來深度研究一下，應該是可以做的。"],["林委員德福：我是認為該做則做啦！"],["郭部長智輝：是。"],["林委員德福：其實那個不必拖，因為從整體來講，這個是一個比較長遠的作法。另外，本席注意到一點，就是水資源作業基金今年113年編列的耗水費有5億元的收入，但是到114年的時候卻只剩三億六千多萬元，換句話說，少了一億四千多萬，減幅高達28%。那我請問部長，耗水費的收入減少編列的原因到底是怎麼樣？是我們節約用水的成效卓越，還是明年經濟產業不好，所以用水需求不必那麼多，所以才會減少？"],["郭部長智輝：現在有一些科技業因為我們現在的用水，然後我們又海水淡化，所以水資源用在工業上面的就會比較多，但是那一部分的水費是比較高的。"],["林委員德福：這樣嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：是。"],["林委員德福：另外，有關於農業的農藥，上次臺東小米肉粽造成3死9傷的事件，已驗出劇毒托福松含量異常的高，其實衛福部食藥署有對外表示，體重60公斤的成人吃下96毫克的托福松就可能致死，民眾也擔心會不會在蔬菜、水果裡面一樣有使用托福松，所以農業部是不是應該讓托福松一定要退場，以保障一般的民眾？你們的想法是怎麼樣？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，托福松本身是一種劇毒農藥，我們有一個退場機制，那現在重要的是，它是在防治根部的這些害蟲，以它現在的濃度，不大可能造成食用以後的濃度比，所以我們也請相關的單位協助，確切的原因現在還在查。"],["林委員德福：對啦！我認為這個要查清楚，因為要是使用農藥不慎讓人食用，只要一點點就可以致命，這是很嚴重的問題。"],["陳部長駿季：我們會來加強宣導。"],["林委員德福：對啦！你們農業部應該要好好的控管。"],["陳部長駿季：好的。"],["林委員德福：一定要控管啦！"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["主席：謝謝林德福委員。下一位我們請王正旭委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":124,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","陳昭姿","李坤城","林思銘","林國成","陳冠廷","洪孟楷","張雅琳","張嘉郡","陳培瑜","林德福","王正旭","鄭天財Sra 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