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有請邱部長有關於今天的題目我看了一個資料請你看一下"},{"start":36.174,"end":46.817,"text":"106年到112年各年齡層自殺的死亡率針對女生你可以看到這裡面15歲到24歲15歲到24歲一路攀升了一路攀升了你看這個紅色這一塊一路攀升了"},{"start":60.86,"end":68.827,"text":"而且全國的自殺死亡的人數也是一路攀升了但這個土地你怎麼看法沒有"},{"start":70.253,"end":95.228,"text":"我只是心理衛生師要...我先跟委員報告齁我們真的很重視因為跟委員報告因為你也你也長久也一直關心醫療也很蠻了解我的啦齁因為我這十幾年來也參與自殺防治中心的工作齁那在我在台北市的醫師公會也非常推推這個部分所以有一陣子好好的推的確下來在"},{"start":96.049,"end":96.149,"text":"賴士葆"},{"start":123.587,"end":124.067,"text":"所以你同意?"},{"start":141.518,"end":144.001,"text":"社區的心理衛生中心是不是一個重要的一個單位"},{"start":166.528,"end":183.041,"text":"社區的心理中心那也是另外一個體系那自殺防治中心他可能會比較著重在政策的一個那個時候我們在上一屆通過了自殺防治法所以我們真的很努力在處理這個問題"},{"start":185.563,"end":206.796,"text":"其實這樣看齁這個現在大家爭取了長照機構療養機構都是電價凍漲但是這個單位沒有就是社區心理衛生中心沒有你們要不要這個部長這個沒有多少錢你要不要在這裡承諾這個社區心理衛生中心它的電價漲得未無不法的稀少所以你承諾啊你承諾你這個電價不要給它漲啊"},{"start":212.339,"end":222.568,"text":"就這個啊!我就這個意思啊!地方政府的嘛齁所以我們現在長照法裡面是不是有公益的啦齁公益性質的那個如果有"},{"start":225.001,"end":251.815,"text":"這個沒有動長是不是?動長啦!療養機構的動長不是嗎?跟委員報告還沒有?那根本應該動長喔這個我們社區心理衛生中心依法是由地方政府來設置所以說他們通常都是會找一些公用的建物本身就是公用的建物來設置個心理衛生中心我講店家店家店家是是他們本身就是公家單位所以沒有所謂的說要去可是漲價啊店家還是漲啊"},{"start":254.136,"end":273.79,"text":"這不是屬於政府的公交單位的機構建築物裡面去設立那這個部分好像應該就算政府請問你好請問你好你現在長照機構電價你有沒有吸收讓他動作有沒有只有公益性質的才有私立的不行"},{"start":275.059,"end":277.044,"text":"這個部長啊這個那個沒有多少天啊這個你們要cover啦"},{"start":284.44,"end":306.349,"text":"我這三個單位都應該cover不管是公立、私立的當然私立一定要一定的規矩、一定的標準超過那個標準都要給他要照顧啦這個東西對於精神的避疹我們對於強盜機構能夠照顧我們的老人真的我們真的很感佩啦因為他也是跟醫療機構一樣的辛苦所以這個部分我們"},{"start":308.109,"end":330.301,"text":"可以嗎?可以嗎?問題是長照法現在是寫這樣子,要公益性質,所以我們是不是,這個意思我們非常關心的是公益性質不在講公家機關啊,民間就是公益啊,基本上都是公益的啊盈利的就不在這裡面啦,私人的盈利的,那這個部分如果委員或者大家覺得說有這個部分你其實是在服務我們"},{"start":331.261,"end":360.12,"text":"請你們請你們這三個啦一個療養機構、草造機構、心理衛生中心啦好不好這個你們有沒有算過這個定價多少啊這個漲價要漲多少啊有沒有算過有沒有算過對有沒有算過新聞中心是沒算過沒有算過新聞中心是沒算過長照可能要欸長照長照事務來吧今天長照事務沒了沒有多少錢啦你們有這麼大的預算對不對"},{"start":361.334,"end":364.317,"text":"這幾個cover一下你這個好我們回去評估感謝委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:03:24.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:03:25.371000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請邱部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-04T12:03:25.371000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:03:26.371000+08:00","text":"部長請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:03:26.371000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:03:27.371000+08:00","text":"委員好。你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:03:25.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:04:21.527000+08:00","text":"有關於今天的題目，我看了一個資料，請你看一下105年到112年各年齡層自殺的死亡率，針對女生你可以看到，這裡面15歲到24歲一路攀升，你看紅色這一塊一路攀升了，而且全國自殺死亡的人數也是一路攀升了，對這個圖你有什麼看法？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:04:23.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:04:24.594000+08:00","text":"或者是心理衛生司要……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:04:25.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:04:34.840000+08:00","text":"我先跟委員報告，我們真的很重視，因為你長久也一直關心醫療，也滿了解我的啦！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:04:35.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:04:48.208000+08:00","text":"我這十幾年來也參與自殺防治中心的工作，我在台北市的醫師公會也非常推這個部分，所以有一陣子在好好推動下的確有下來，跑出了十大死因之一，那後來當然……自殺的原因可能比較複雜，我們也會來……","quality":0.578},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:04:48.208000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:04:54.823714+08:00","text":"最近什麼原因又上來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:04:54.823714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:01.439429+08:00","text":"特別是15歲到24歲的女生，每10萬人死4.8一路攀到10.7，你有沒有看到？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:01.439429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:08.055143+08:00","text":"看到青少年的自殺，真的讓我們都很痛心。是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:08.055143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:14.670857+08:00","text":"所以我想不管是教育部或者是衛福部，我們會用專業來研究看看其原因，那我們也增加SEL的教學，就是讓他自制，社會情緒能夠學習，從小就能夠學習，面對挑戰的時候能夠調適。","quality":0.027},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:14.670857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:21.286571+08:00","text":"你剛剛說你長期做這個事情，那你是用什麼平臺來做？","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:21.286571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:27.902286+08:00","text":"你在還沒當部長之前、還沒當立委之前。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:27.902286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:34.518000+08:00","text":"衛福部有自殺防治中心，那以前是李教授在指導，真的非常積極，不管是用……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:34.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:05:36.981000+08:00","text":"社區的心理衛生中心是不是一個重要的單位？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:05:59.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:02.090000+08:00","text":"社區的心理中心也是另外一個體系。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:03.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:16.041000+08:00","text":"自殺防治中心可能會比較著重在政策的一個……那我們在上一屆也通過了自殺防治法，所以我們真的很努力在處理這個問題。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:18.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:37.795000+08:00","text":"其實這樣看，現在大家爭取了長照機構、療養機構都電價凍漲，但是這個單位沒有，就是社區心理衛生中心沒有，部長，這個沒有多少錢，你要不要在這裡承諾，社區心理衛生中心電價漲的部分衛福部把它吸收。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:37.795000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:38.795000+08:00","text":"社區心理中心是政府單位耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:38.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:38.455000+08:00","text":"所以你承諾啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:38.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:39.776000+08:00","text":"你承諾電價不要給它漲啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:45.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:46.420000+08:00","text":"我就是這個意思啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:06:47.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:06:59.061000+08:00","text":"是地方政府的，我們現在長照法裡面是不是有公益性質的那個，如果有……這個沒有凍漲是不是？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:01.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:01.082000+08:00","text":"凍漲啦！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:01.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:03.504000+08:00","text":"療養機構也凍漲不是嗎？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭代理司長淑心","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:03.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:04.004000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:04.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:04.404000+08:00","text":"還沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:05.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:06.005000+08:00","text":"那更應該凍漲。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭代理司長淑心","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:06.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:17.031000+08:00","text":"我們社區心理衛生中心依法是由地方政府來設置，所以他們通常都是會找一些公用的建物，本身就是公用的建物來設置心衛中心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:17.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:17.211000+08:00","text":"我講電價、電價。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭代理司長淑心","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:18.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:23.334000+08:00","text":"是，他們本身就是公家單位，所以沒有所謂的說要去……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:24.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:24.415000+08:00","text":"漲價啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:24.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:24.795000+08:00","text":"電價還是漲啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:27.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:28.657000+08:00","text":"怎麼不是呢？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:28.657000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:29.657000+08:00","text":"當然是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:28.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:37.483000+08:00","text":"這部分屬於政府、公家單位的機構建築物裡面去設立，那這個部分好像應該就算政府……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:38.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:42.667000+08:00","text":"請問你，現在長照機構的電價你有沒有吸收，讓它凍漲，有沒有？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:44.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:45.369000+08:00","text":"只有公益性質的才有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:46.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:46.770000+08:00","text":"私立的不行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:46.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:47.770000+08:00","text":"營利性質的現在沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:47.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:48.770000+08:00","text":"療養機構也沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:48.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:49.770000+08:00","text":"我們問過好幾次。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:48.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:07:50.024000+08:00","text":"部長，那個沒有多少錢，這個你們要cover啦！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:07:57.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:00.621000+08:00","text":"這三個單位都應該要cover，不管是公立、私立的……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:00.621000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:01.802000+08:00","text":"其實長照機構……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:01.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:06.804000+08:00","text":"它有一定的規矩、一定的標準，超過那個標準都要給它照顧啦！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:07.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:08.384000+08:00","text":"這個東西對於基層、底層的……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:08.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:13.666000+08:00","text":"我們也對長照機構能夠照顧我們的老人，我們真的很感佩啦！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:14.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:19.349000+08:00","text":"因為它也是跟醫療機構一樣的辛苦，所以這個部分我們……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:21.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:21.209000+08:00","text":"可以吧？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:21.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:21.650000+08:00","text":"可以吧？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:21.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:28.693000+08:00","text":"但問題是長照法現在是寫這樣子，要公益性質，所以我們是不是……這個是我們非常關心的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:28.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:30.674000+08:00","text":"公益性質不代表公家機關啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:30.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:31.875000+08:00","text":"民間也是有公益啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:33.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:34.236000+08:00","text":"基本上也都是公益啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:34.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:43.301000+08:00","text":"營利的就不在這裡面，私人的、營利的，那這個部分如果委員或者大家覺得這個部分也其實是在服務我們……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:44.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:46.022000+08:00","text":"請你們這三個啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:47.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:51.446000+08:00","text":"療養機構、長照機構、心理衛生中心，好不好？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:53.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:56.549000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有算過這個電價多少，漲價會漲多少？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:57.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:08:59.812000+08:00","text":"有沒有算過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:08:59.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:00.732000+08:00","text":"有沒有算過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:00.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:01.253000+08:00","text":"對，有沒有算過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:01.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:09.138000+08:00","text":"心衛中心是沒算過，長照可能要……今天長照司有來嗎？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:09.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:10.759000+08:00","text":"沒有多少錢啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:11.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:13.120000+08:00","text":"你們衛福部這麼大的預算，對不對？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:14.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:15.135000+08:00","text":"這幾個cover一下，好不好？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:16.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:17.317000+08:00","text":"好，我們回去評估，感謝委員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:17.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:20.388429+08:00","text":"謝謝賴委員、謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-04T12:09:20.688429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-04T12:09:24.117000+08:00","text":"繼續我們請黃秀芳委員質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":856,"blocks":[["賴委員士葆：（12時3分）謝謝主席，有請邱部長。"],["主席：部長請。"],["邱部長泰源：委員好。"],["賴委員士葆：你好。有關於今天的題目，我看了一個資料，請你看一下105年到112年各年齡層自殺的死亡率，針對女生你可以看到，這裡面15歲到24歲一路攀升，你看紅色這一塊一路攀升了，而且全國自殺死亡的人數也是一路攀升了，對這個圖你有什麼看法？或者是心理衛生司要……"],["邱部長泰源：我先跟委員報告，我們真的很重視，因為你長久也一直關心醫療，也滿了解我的啦！我這十幾年來也參與自殺防治中心的工作，我在台北市的醫師公會也非常推這個部分，所以有一陣子在好好推動下的確有下來，跑出了十大死因之一，那後來當然……自殺的原因可能比較複雜，我們也會來……"],["賴委員士葆：最近什麼原因又上來？特別是15歲到24歲的女生，每10萬人死4.8一路攀到10.7，你有沒有看到？"],["邱部長泰源：看到青少年的自殺，真的讓我們都很痛心。"],["賴委員士葆：是啊！"],["邱部長泰源：所以我想不管是教育部或者是衛福部，我們會用專業來研究看看其原因，那我們也增加SEL的教學，就是讓他自制，社會情緒能夠學習，從小就能夠學習，面對挑戰的時候能夠調適。"],["賴委員士葆：你剛剛說你長期做這個事情，那你是用什麼平臺來做？你在還沒當部長之前、還沒當立委之前。"],["邱部長泰源：衛福部有自殺防治中心，那以前是李教授在指導，真的非常積極，不管是用……"],["賴委員士葆：社區的心理衛生中心是不是一個重要的單位？"],["邱部長泰源：社區的心理中心也是另外一個體系。自殺防治中心可能會比較著重在政策的一個……那我們在上一屆也通過了自殺防治法，所以我們真的很努力在處理這個問題。"],["賴委員士葆：其實這樣看，現在大家爭取了長照機構、療養機構都電價凍漲，但是這個單位沒有，就是社區心理衛生中心沒有，部長，這個沒有多少錢，你要不要在這裡承諾，社區心理衛生中心電價漲的部分衛福部把它吸收。"],["邱部長泰源：社區心理中心是政府單位耶！"],["賴委員士葆：所以你承諾啊！你承諾電價不要給它漲啊！我就是這個意思啊！"],["邱部長泰源：是地方政府的，我們現在長照法裡面是不是有公益性質的那個，如果有……這個沒有凍漲是不是？"],["賴委員士葆：凍漲啦！療養機構也凍漲不是嗎？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：跟委員報告……"],["賴委員士葆：還沒有？那更應該凍漲。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：我們社區心理衛生中心依法是由地方政府來設置，所以他們通常都是會找一些公用的建物，本身就是公用的建物來設置心衛中心。"],["賴委員士葆：我講電價、電價。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：是，他們本身就是公家單位，所以沒有所謂的說要去……"],["賴委員士葆：漲價啊！電價還是漲啊！怎麼不是呢？當然是啊！"],["邱部長泰源：這部分屬於政府、公家單位的機構建築物裡面去設立，那這個部分好像應該就算政府……"],["賴委員士葆：請問你，現在長照機構的電價你有沒有吸收，讓它凍漲，有沒有？"],["邱部長泰源：只有公益性質的才有。"],["賴委員士葆：私立的不行？"],["邱部長泰源：營利性質的現在沒有。"],["賴委員士葆：療養機構也沒有？"],["邱部長泰源：我們問過好幾次。"],["賴委員士葆：部長，那個沒有多少錢，這個你們要cover啦！這三個單位都應該要cover，不管是公立、私立的……"],["邱部長泰源：其實長照機構……"],["賴委員士葆：它有一定的規矩、一定的標準，超過那個標準都要給它照顧啦！這個東西對於基層、底層的……"],["邱部長泰源：我們也對長照機構能夠照顧我們的老人，我們真的很感佩啦！因為它也是跟醫療機構一樣的辛苦，所以這個部分我們……"],["賴委員士葆：可以吧？可以吧？"],["邱部長泰源：但問題是長照法現在是寫這樣子，要公益性質，所以我們是不是……這個是我們非常關心的。"],["賴委員士葆：公益性質不代表公家機關啊！民間也是有公益啊！基本上也都是公益啊！"],["邱部長泰源：營利的就不在這裡面，私人的、營利的，那這個部分如果委員或者大家覺得這個部分也其實是在服務我們……"],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