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，媒體直接寫你一個標題，說因為上次公投沒有通過，所以就不可以了……"],["李主任委員進勇：沒有、沒有、沒有，我從來沒有講這個話。"],["羅委員智強：對，澄清清楚就好，沒關係，澄清清楚就好，但是仍然改變不了前面幾個重點……"],["李主任委員進勇：委員現在可以相信我說的話。"],["羅委員智強：好，這點我相信你，以上，謝謝！"],["主席：謝謝。","接下來請丁學忠委員。","我們宣告：中午不休息，繼續開會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-7","speakers":["徐欣瑩","羅智強","麥玉珍","賴士葆","張宏陸","李柏毅","鍾佳濱","牛煦庭","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","黃建賓","吳琪銘","丁學忠","楊瓊瓔","黃國昌","翁曉玲","高金素梅"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬\n具「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公民投票法部分\n條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員羅智強等 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