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我們馬祖的每一個鄉親都當作你的親人。"],["邱部長泰源：我一向都是這種情懷。"],["陳委員雪生：因為早上林淑芬委員質詢到急診室的狀況，我也非常感慨，我弟弟的小孩肺發炎去臺灣醫院，暫留了多少天你知道嗎？7天，7天才進入病房。"],["邱部長泰源：小孩子……"],["陳委員雪生：因為你當部長，我不好意思再麻煩你，所以我們也不想用特權嘛！另外我要請問部長，790切的斷層掃描你做過沒有？"],["邱部長泰源：640切。"],["陳委員雪生：640啊？你知道為什麼我跟你講790嗎？你看馬祖是落後地區嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：什麼？"],["陳委員雪生：馬祖是不是落後地區？"],["邱部長泰源：馬祖絕對不是落後地區。"],["陳委員雪生：不是嘛！我們做完150切的電腦斷層，然後拿過來給醫生看，模糊不清、不清楚，再做一次，做了多少？做640切，兩個加起來不是790切嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：是這樣子啊！"],["陳委員雪生：我們做X光，照一次那個輻射就已經不得了了，你看做多少次？所以部長，我想之前跟你討論過。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員雪生：640切的電腦斷層給我們一部，好不好？你看所有臺灣的部立醫院有150切的嗎？你家人去買東西都是買最好的電器用品嘛！怎麼會去買最爛的呢？現在臺灣醫學已經發達到這種地步了，是不是？所以我昨天詢問我們衛生局，他說委員會在討論。你告訴你的委員會，還要討論什麼，我不知道。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們已經收到醫院這邊的文，我們會用……"],["陳委員雪生：收到文沒有用啊！你要答應我啊！好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：醫發基金怎麼處理？"],["郭專門委員威中：因為我們通常……跟委員報告，要動用醫發基金的話，我們有一個醫發基金審議委員會，我們目前已經在排委員的可出席時間，預計在11月底。"],["陳委員雪生：您是司長嗎？"],["郭專門委員威中：我是專門委員。"],["陳委員雪生：我們去跟你們什麼委員會討論事情，太遙遠了啦！你知道嗎？我也不曉得你們成員是誰……"],["邱部長泰源：因為它必須要有一個預算的來源啊！"],["陳委員雪生：我問我的兄弟，邱部長比較快啦！你知道嗎？預算來源……全國的部立醫院有150切的嗎？你講給我聽！為什麼我們要……"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們最近才去落成澎湖醫院，它是128切。"],["陳委員雪生：128？該淘汰了！"],["邱部長泰源：新的喔！"],["陳委員雪生：我找楊曜委員來質詢你喔！"],["邱部長泰源：楊曜委員去那邊很高興，因為它配合AI，所以其實是非常地清楚，然後效果也非常好。是新的喔！它已經換掉原來是64切的嘛！因為它的價錢其實是……"],["陳委員雪生：沒關係，我改天找楊曜委員質詢你，他一定也會要一個640切的，你放心。"],["邱部長泰源：沒問題、沒問題，因為他去看了以後覺得很滿意。"],["陳委員雪生：很滿意噢？"],["邱部長泰源：就是……"],["陳委員雪生：你改天看病跑到馬祖來看，我保證你做790切的，我跟你講。"],["邱部長泰源：那個……馬祖現在的是幾切？"],["陳委員雪生：150切！"],["邱部長泰源：150切看幾年……"],["陳委員雪生：已經十幾年了。"],["邱部長泰源：第六期，那個……"],["主席：我插個嘴，一般是64切再來是128切。"],["陳委員雪生：我不跟你辯，你640切要給我，好不好？"],["主席：部長，你就答應他，拍胸脯，OK！這樣就好了。"],["陳委員雪生：不然我講你是我兄弟幹什麼？我們兩個也像啊！你的命比較好當部長……"],["邱部長泰源：如果640切要164切的兩倍多，要8,000萬……"],["陳委員雪生：不要、不要，就要640切，你也答應我了……"],["邱部長泰源：我不曉得各個醫院有沒有，即使在臺灣的醫院恐怕也……"],["陳委員雪生：部長，我再跟你講，賴總統到金門去，他說我們對離島居民的醫療一定要提升，我們有緊急後送，金門現在有部立醫院，對不對？"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員雪生：它緊急醫療後送的人員差不多是我們的十倍，送得更多，我們用直昇機送，它用運輸機C-130送，整個裡面都是，所以部立醫院有部立醫院的水準。民進黨的連江縣黨部提出來說要部立醫院，部長，你的看法怎樣？要不要給我們一個部立醫院？"],["邱部長泰源：這個問題以前討論過，後來縣政府方面也不放掉，它還是要縣立醫院……"],["陳委員雪生：誰不放掉？"],["邱部長泰源：縣政府那邊……"],["陳委員雪生：不會啊！如果給我部立醫院，給我30億、50億，多一個神經內科、神經外科、心臟內科、心臟外科，多10個醫生……"],["邱部長泰源：你是說額外，還是把金門醫院改制成部立醫院嗎？還是另外？"],["陳委員雪生：金門早就部立啦，澎湖也部立啊……"],["邱部長泰源：我說錯了，是連江啦……"],["陳委員雪生：我們馬祖是縣立啊！"],["邱部長泰源：縣立啦！"],["陳委員雪生：你要改部立嗎？我跟你評估，至少30億跑不掉，你要蓋病床、病房設備，然後神經內科、神經外科、心臟內科、心臟外科這些通通都要配備，當然我們人數很少啦，一個月可能一、兩個人吧，這些醫生平常也可以給他一點福利，去釣魚啊，他可以去釣魚，是不是這樣？事實上就如此嘛！"],["邱部長泰源：我到馬祖去巡迴醫療都順便打網球，馬祖的地方還可以打網球……"],["陳委員雪生：對啊，所以是不是達到需要成立部立醫院是值得討論的，部長，你重視這個問題，有機會部裡面去討論一下，好不好？如果成立部立醫院，我雙手雙腳贊成，我怎麼會不要呢？"],["邱部長泰源：我跟委員報告，部立醫院所有的醫療人員都是我的好朋友啦！"],["陳委員雪生：對啊。"],["邱部長泰源：所以我們都很清楚他們的努力，有時候還要到其他的島去做很多的公共衛生、各方面的醫療，真的令人非常感佩。"],["陳委員雪生：部長，馬祖既然那麼落後，你稍微提升一下醫療的等級嘛，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：這個我們一定遵守當時我們一起在討論……"],["陳委員雪生：今天長照司有沒有來？我不知道。"],["邱部長泰源：不好意思，今天的主題剛好……"],["陳委員雪生：沒關係，我們要蓋4,900坪的土地，你們答應給我們100床，我們的造價跟臺灣的建築費用……醫院算特殊建築，對不對？"],["邱部長泰源：對。"],["陳委員雪生：我們一坪要27萬，臺灣只要十幾萬，一坪27萬還沒有人要蓋。在臺灣這邊還有黑道的回扣、白道的回扣，我們連回扣都沒有，縣長還要去跪求他們來蓋，沒有人要來蓋呀，缺工、缺料，延遲完成驗收的風險太大、太大了，所以他們商人要精打細算，一坪要27萬，你們現在講說一坪多少錢？你們說一坪十幾萬，給我們100間，只給我們4億，關於100床的面積，我們的需求是一個床要38坪，你們長照司提出來說一床27坪，這個差距很大耶，部長，是不是請你特別重視一下？因為時間的關係……"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們一定把你所有的需求……相關的團隊再度針對你現在提出來的好好地來研究……"],["陳委員雪生：我們的交情，我不會擔心啦，我是擔心什麼呢？你回去以後就把我忘了。"],["邱部長泰源：永遠不會忘記、永遠不會忘記，我當了你的鄰居八年，沒有聞到你的體味，聞到你的煙味，是不是……"],["陳委員雪生：沒有、沒有，這裡也不能講這個吧！我最近都在適當的場所……"],["邱部長泰源：對啦，就是說其實我們接觸得非常頻繁，所以感謝您對馬祖人民的照顧，我也感佩啦，真的是對馬祖人民很照顧。"],["陳委員雪生：部長，嚴格來說，在立法院我們是鄰居啦，我們感情非常好，沒有因為黨派的問題嘛，部長，我也拜託，好不好？640切，一定要幫我完成任務，這是第一個；第二個，長照司的床位、病床，病床的坪數還有經費，最近要審查了，大概……"],["邱部長泰源：我們會儘量來溝通、來爭取。"],["陳委員雪生：請你再提醒他們一下，好不好？部長，我祝你身體健康、精神愉快，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：好，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員雪生：好，謝謝主席。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳雪生委員，真的，馬祖真的是很需要啦，我有去過好幾次，那邊真的是條件不好。部長，你就答應他就好了，你是在？"],["邱部長泰源：我不知道有沒有錢，有錢當然沒問題。"],["陳委員雪生：不要把我忘了。"],["主席：好，我們繼續請王育敏委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":272,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-7","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","廖偉翔","邱鎮軍","涂權吉","王正旭","鍾佳濱","林國成","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","賴士葆","黃秀芳","陳雪生","王育敏","劉建國","牛煦庭","楊曜","陳瑩","黃國昌","盧縣一"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案1案；二、邀\n請衛生福利部部長針對「社區精神病患照護優化」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139301_00003"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}