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來的，不一定是實際的狀況，但是至少我們醫事司還沒有處理到這個問題。"],["陳委員瑩：對，所以醫事司剛剛回答的是外面傳出來的消息？"],["邱部長泰源：他們的合約有問題這樣？"],["陳委員瑩：對，這是外面傳出來的消息，你們聽到的是這樣子嘛？"],["邱部長泰源：外面傳的消息，它沒有請我們介入。"],["陳委員瑩：好，沒關係，我想是這樣子，其實這個合作原本是個好事，我們暫且不論你們核定了多少醫學中心的點值問題，我在這裡先不討論，但是就整個桃園來講，它那個分布，我這樣攤開來看，其實供需上是失衡的。現在桃園市政府，我剛剛有說張市長撂下狠話，然後他們提出兩個方案，第一個，他有提到，要嘛清大來跟市府合作，一起蓋市立醫院，但這個當然是醫學中心等級的一個市立醫院。我是想請教，第一個，因為副市長有做這樣子的公開發表，他們的這個要求可不可行？因為整體的醫療人力要從哪裡來？市府有沒有能力處理這個事情？醫學院、醫師、護理師，這些都是問題，不是嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：當然是這樣，最重要的是真的要去評估當地的醫療資源，不是說要看它是不是區域醫院，有區域醫院、有地區醫院……"],["陳委員瑩：部長，是這樣子的，其實我有很多選民在大溪，也很南邊了，當然這個區域、地區醫院……為什麼又要討論醫學中心？就是說大醫院急重症、難症可以往……"],["邱部長泰源：這個在區域醫院就可以完成。"],["陳委員瑩：現在全部都可以完成？"],["邱部長泰源：你看，我們所有的部立醫院都是區域醫院或者是地區醫院。"],["陳委員瑩：所以其實那個都……"],["邱部長泰源：但是他們也肩負起當地……"],["陳委員瑩：那你們都不用再繼續核定了啊！"],["邱部長泰源：他們也都可以肩負起急重症，如果南桃園的部分……"],["陳委員瑩：部長，我剛剛第一個問題就是說他們這樣子，我們有很多的擔憂，市府有沒有能力去統籌、整理這些，看起來其實是有一點天方夜譚。第二個，市府提的方案就是說要清華大學另外找尋合作的對象，清華大學在前天也有表示，他們將會採取BOT的方式招標，然後在桃園青埔新建醫院的這件事情。我是想說，衛福部這裡，既然本席在這裡提出來了，是不是可以請你們主動去多加關心，看看有沒有什麼可以協助的地方？"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們一定去關心，因為所有地區的醫療資源均衡對民眾是適當的，如何協助增加醫療資源都是我們應該要去關心的。"],["陳委員瑩：對啊，而且……"],["邱部長泰源：既然委員提出這個問題，我們會請醫事司馬上去了解，了解了以後再隨時跟委員報告狀況。"],["陳委員瑩：對嘛，如果是按照部長的講法，根本也都完全不需要啊，到時候又會產生很多問題，那這個到底需不需要？但這不是我質詢的重點，只是因為……"],["邱部長泰源：需要……"],["陳委員瑩：你說區域醫院、地區醫院全部都可以處理了嘛！"],["邱部長泰源：所以他們現在的訴求是醫學中心，因為醫學中心在那裡也要競爭，要競爭部桃……"],["陳委員瑩：其實……"],["邱部長泰源：那個區域這次部桃就輸給臺大新竹分院。"],["陳委員瑩：因為他們整個園區其實還有醫學教育研發的功能，所以部長先了解他們整個區域的規劃之後，你們再好好的去評估，因為我想有需求，大家才敢去推這個這麼大的計畫嘛。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員瑩：但我覺得是好事情，也要請你們同步關心一下人口的移動，因為那個區域最近真的是超級無敵大爆滿了。"],["邱部長泰源：了解、了解。"],["陳委員瑩：OK，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：我們一定要給他們最好的醫療照顧，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員，謝謝部長。","接續我們請黃國昌委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":272,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-7","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","廖偉翔","邱鎮軍","涂權吉","王正旭","鍾佳濱","林國成","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","賴士葆","黃秀芳","陳雪生","王育敏","劉建國","牛煦庭","楊曜","陳瑩","黃國昌","盧縣一"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案1案；二、邀\n請衛生福利部部長針對「社區精神病患照護優化」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139301_00003"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}