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這個後來應該沒有這件事情吧"},{"start":31.274,"end":39.445,"text":"回答採購這個一百億度綠電的這個計畫是假的命題所以是假訊息嘛對不對是被炒作了六天"},{"start":41.175,"end":62.479,"text":"就是從10月29號這個有被立委詢問之後到11月4號經濟部11月3號經濟部去確認過之後並沒有這樣計畫而部長還因為這件事情還做了很多的說明是的所以我們只是還是要再一次的去提醒部長那你有什麼看法"},{"start":64.531,"end":87.651,"text":"這個我認為提質詢的委員也沒有錯因為這個事實上這個一百億度由輝達採購的這個事情是由某個廠商他為了炒作股票然後他發布的這個訊息所以委員我認為他也沒有錯只是我就這個命題去了解"},{"start":88.792,"end":104.397,"text":"我們如果跟輝達之間啊這個大的世界大的這個客戶我們之間都有聯繫的所以所有的世界的大的廠商要來台灣投資水跟電充分的滿足他們的需求是經濟部的責任我要講一下是我認為有問題啦"},{"start":106.618,"end":128.405,"text":"第二你剛剛都已經講過有人要炒作嘛有人要炒作股價的時候那這個時候還有立委配合來做這件事情的炒作沒有查證清楚就問這就已經不恰當了啊部長在這個第一時間我都認為你當時的詢答可能都要再更謹慎一點因為有可能你的詢答變成了大家全部都在跟著配合在做炒作我說那幾天可能全部被的炒作那"},{"start":128.985,"end":149.263,"text":"等到了經濟部在確認完經過了五天到六天才確認完事實上我建議部長未來遇到這種的不確定性高度敏感的問題的時候其實應該先保留一下啦因為你到底你也不知是真是假那結果被配合了炒作的時候反倒會造成了這個很大的一些影響而導致經濟部在過了五天六天才去查證我認為這個其實並不恰當"},{"start":152.326,"end":170.079,"text":"報告委員我想是這個樣子我是非常明確的知道所以我才回答他經濟部的公告是我們為了得到大家可以認可的資料所以我們再一次發文給回答請他正式的回應我們所以才差了五天這樣"},{"start":171.239,"end":195.276,"text":"對,所以我的意思說,未來像這樣的事情其實都具有高度的敏感性的問題的時候我認為其實部長可能必須要再更謹慎處理是,謝謝委員知道再來另外,我問一下啦齁,前陣子我看這個臺電的鄭董事長有講到要微調民生電價,部長你有提到沒有要漲,這個確定嗎?報告委員,我想這個調整電價的部分還是這個電價,這個審議委員在決定啦"},{"start":199.138,"end":214.225,"text":"所以這個臺電的董事長也好或者我們在說明都不應該講調整或不調整這個調整電價是這個電價委員、審議委員他們的這個我都同意部長這樣一個說法"},{"start":215.525,"end":238.702,"text":"我認為電價的調漲與否有很多專業性的考量也有電價的小組那一塊要尊重那一套制度另外是它也會牽動到整個物價的波動電基本上是物價波動所以我認為這個都是一個很知識體大的事情那都不應該輕易的由官員的口中去做出一些我認為這個但連董事長有那樣的期待我是沒有講是因為有"},{"start":239.322,"end":256.882,"text":"有媒體問我我說就環境來講這個還是要這個審議委員他們同意嘛所以我說我覺得部長這樣的答覆是OK的但是臺電董事長有期待這也能理解啦但是我只是說在這樣的處理上面還是要小心回去以後會要求臺電董事長不要輕易發言"},{"start":257.883,"end":282.597,"text":"這樣的問題都要敏感、謹慎、小心有可能都會造成一些不必要的困擾再來我問一下啦那接下來的中油的董事長、方董事長上任就說他的油電要漲他的油要漲啦部長你支持嗎這個因為他有一套機制他必須要根據那個機制去運作不能夠私自去解釋那個運作的這個方式"},{"start":283.696,"end":299.414,"text":"我還是要再次的提醒所有東西都有一套機制在進行一套機制在走那任何的這樣的東西都可能造成到整個光訊息的出來就造成整個市場上的一些波動了每一個我認為所有的不管是從部長到董事長"},{"start":299.935,"end":318.642,"text":"都必須要在更謹言慎行這件事情因為你出來之後還要這個帶物價穩定向政院報告沒錯啊當然是要跟物價要整體思考啊過去產生的油電雙漲對於整個人民對整個物價的影響是多麼大如果你有確定要做的也不是用這樣的方式進行嘛"},{"start":318.962,"end":347.789,"text":"那更何況最後可能都不會動但是有可能這些訊息一出來的時候都已經造成了相當大的一些波動所以我還是希望部長包括也跟所有的這些呃國共營事業的董事長要再三的提醒好不好政策思考清楚了決定怎麼動再來講臺水也一直很希望漲啊但臺水董事長就知道這短期內有困難嘛就是說所有台所說的這些事情都還是希望要謹言慎行它對每一個的物價對每一個整個人民的觀感都會有相當大的影響"},{"start":350.249,"end":370.154,"text":"再邀請教一下部長,在大寧埔遷村安置的計畫書裡面其實有很具體的提到右側這邊寫到對關懷戶延長到12年,一般戶延長到6年這個部分那過去經濟部想要跟內政部來協調,但是有遇到一些困難那既然已經在我們的計畫書裡面已經直接寫明要做了"},{"start":370.754,"end":392.711,"text":"部長,如果內政部那邊涉宅他的遊戲規則沒辦法進行的時候,是不是就經濟部自己來自辦,就不要再拖延這整個的時間?這個我們再找內政部來討論。你們今早內政部討論過了啦,內政部其實有意見啦,內政部認為他涉宅的制度,他照他制度,他延長他認為有困擾。是,我們努力跟內政部來溝通。"},{"start":394.428,"end":411.293,"text":"給我一個時間兩個禮拜內做出一個決定好不好如果內政部沒辦法答應你的條件的話那就請經濟部自辦可以嗎?因為你的計畫書裡面寫得非常清楚你的計畫書都已經寫在上面了如果內政部無法協助你辦理那經濟部就自辦嘛現在開始準備自辦嘛"},{"start":411.713,"end":434.505,"text":"我想在法令的許可之內呢,我們會來...兩個禮拜內給我們具體的答案好不好?如果內政部無法辦,經濟部自辦,部長可以嗎?經濟部事辦,這個我要請示我說的是,這個是由行政院經濟部核定的計畫我再跟部長確認一次,如果內政部沒有要配合,經濟部自辦,可以嗎?"},{"start":435.683,"end":446.668,"text":"我們來努力看看不是努力看看,你的計畫書上就是這麼要求的但是我們的計畫書上面必須要內政部能夠同意啦他希望內政部做,但是內政部不做的時候就是經濟部要做嘛這個計畫書上面已經寫了嘛"},{"start":450.794,"end":455.456,"text":"二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員"},{"start":474.738,"end":500.737,"text":"目前已經公告了公告對那月底前來進行環評請部長跟環保署這邊再行溝通好不好環境部長好不好月底前要來進行環評的說明好嗎月底前我記住這個部長那也請你到大林埔來親自跟鄉親們說明好嗎月底這個環評的說明他明天要求部長到歷任的部長每次都到王美花部長、沈無寧部長都到現場部長自己親自來好嗎"},{"start":502.117,"end":522.387,"text":"我把時間這個調整一下月底親自來跟鄉親們說明這件事情好嗎報告委員我月底可能有公務行程在國外那就挪你可以的時間來好嗎可以嗎好不好配合你的時間配合環保環保署跟你的時間親自來到現場說明好不好部長等你喔大臨部等你謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:22.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:22.751000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:22.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:23.071000+08:00","text":"請郭部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:23.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:24.131000+08:00","text":"請經濟部郭部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:24.131000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:25.131000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:24.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:35.795000+08:00","text":"部長，我先請教一下，輝達說要在臺採購100億度綠電，後來應該沒有這件事情吧？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:48.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:51.762000+08:00","text":"輝達採購100億度綠電這個計畫是假的命題。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:51.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:53.083000+08:00","text":"所以是假訊息，對不對？是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:53.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:10:54.425000+08:00","text":"被炒作了6天！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:10:57.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:11:08.208000+08:00","text":"從10月29號被立委詢問，到11月3號經濟部去確認過之後，並沒有這樣的計畫。沒有。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:11:08.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:11:11.732000+08:00","text":"部長還因為這件事情做了很多的說明。是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:11:12.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:11:17.459000+08:00","text":"所以我們還是要再次去提醒，部長，那你有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:11:19.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:11:35.845000+08:00","text":"我認為提質詢的委員也沒有錯啦，事實上由輝達採購100億度綠電這件事情，是由某個廠商為了炒作股票，然後它發布的訊息。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:11:36.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:11:58.257000+08:00","text":"所以我認為委員也沒有錯，只是我就這個命題去瞭解，我們跟輝達、跟世界大的客戶之間都有聯繫，世界所有大的廠商要來臺灣投資，提供水跟電，充分地滿足他們的需求，是經濟部的責任。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:11:58.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:12:03.879000+08:00","text":"部長，我打斷你是因為我要講一下，我認為這有問題，第一個，你剛剛都已經講過了有人要炒作嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:12:04.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:12:11.561000+08:00","text":"當有人要炒作股價的時候，還有立委配合來做這件事情的炒作，沒有查證清楚就提問，這就已經不恰當了。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:12:12.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:12:27.849000+08:00","text":"部長在第一時間，我都認為你當時的詢答可能都要再更謹慎一點，因為有可能你的詢答變成大家都跟著配合在炒作，我說那幾天可能全部配合炒作，等到經濟部經過了5天到6天才確認完。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:12:28.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:12:44.263000+08:00","text":"事實上，我建議部長未來遇到這種不確定性、高度敏感的問題時，其實應該先保留一下，你也不知道是真是假，結果配合炒作之後，反倒會造成很大的影響，而導致經濟部再過了5天、6天才去查證，我認為其實並不恰當。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:12:47.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:12:52.710000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我想是這個樣子，我是非常明確地知道，所以我才回答他。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:12:53.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:05.058000+08:00","text":"經濟部的公告是我們為了得到大家可以認可的資料，所以我們再一次發文給輝達，請它正式回應我們，所以才差了5天。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:06.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:13.164000+08:00","text":"對，我的意思是未來像這樣的事情，其實都具有高度敏感性的問題，我認為部長可能必須要再更謹慎處理，好不好？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:13.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:14.945000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員指導。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:15.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:23.851000+08:00","text":"另外我問一下，前陣子我看台電的曾董事長有講到要微調民生電價。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:23.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:25.873000+08:00","text":"部長，你有提到沒有要漲，這個確定嘛？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:27.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:30.216000+08:00","text":"我想調整電價的部分，還是由電價審議委員在決定。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:34.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:47.444000+08:00","text":"所以台電的董事長也好，或者我們在說明時，都不應該講調整或不調整，調整電價是由電價審議委員他們處理。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:48.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:13:55.869000+08:00","text":"我都同意部長這樣的說法，我認為電價調漲與否有很多專業性的考量，也有電價小組那一塊，要尊重那一套制度。是。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:13:56.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:08.918000+08:00","text":"另外，它也會牽動到整個物價波動，電價基本上會影響物價波動，我認為這個都是一個茲事體大的事情，都不應該輕易由官員口中去做出一些說明。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:10.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:11.941000+08:00","text":"當然，台電董事長有那樣的期待……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:12.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:20.409000+08:00","text":"我沒有講，是因為有媒體問我，我說就目前來講，這個還是要審議委員他們同意。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:20.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:28.539000+08:00","text":"所以我說，我覺得部長這樣的答復是OK的，但是台電董事長有期待，這也能理解，我只是說在處理上面還是要小心啦，對於……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:28.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:31.862000+08:00","text":"我們回去以後會要求台電董事長不要輕易發言。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:32.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:39.027000+08:00","text":"這樣的問題都要謹慎、敏感、小心，有可能都會造成一些不必要的困擾。是！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:39.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:48.792000+08:00","text":"再來我問一下，接下來的中油方董事長上任就說他的油要漲，部長，你支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:48.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:14:57.577000+08:00","text":"因為這個有一套機制，他必須要根據那個機制去運作，不能夠私自去解釋那個運作的方式。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:14:58.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:15:02.981000+08:00","text":"我還是要再次地提醒，所有東西都有一套機制在進行，按照那一套機制在走。是。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:15:04.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:15:10.690000+08:00","text":"任何這樣的東西都有可能會造成影響，光訊息出來，就會造成整個市場上的波動了。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2024-11-06T10:15:11.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-06T10:15:16.9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