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謝謝"},{"start":71.067,"end":76.672,"text":"報告委員我們現在這個無人機的部分嘛是不是對無人機的部分大概是分…園區、嘉義園區就是我們現在有變我們現在有一個部分要買地然後還有包括廠房什麼這些的經費有編了一筆68億多因為就國防部他們給我們的資訊是說有國發會出的錢那剛剛顯然國發會也不知道這個部分那這一筆錢是哪裡出的這一筆錢是因為我們在這個嘉義啊"},{"start":100.931,"end":125.603,"text":"要設置兩個我知道我知道部長我說的是誰出的錢可能是公建的預算公共建設的預算公共建設由哪裡出來就是公共建設的部分出的錢我們經濟部跟國科會吧一起出的錢68億多這個我還要再瞭解一下好那麻煩確認以後再給本席相關的資料那我接下來請部長請教部長因為您來自業界"},{"start":128.664,"end":145.509,"text":"就我們台灣整體的包括產業園區、科學園區或者其他發展的各種園區有沒有哪一個部分這些園區是由政府出錢買地、出錢蓋廠房、出錢蓋廠棚甚至出錢蓋測試的廠房還有出錢去買測試的儀器跟裝備台灣目前有沒有哪一個產業園區是這樣子就我所了解的"},{"start":158.686,"end":182.222,"text":"科學園區就是地不能賣就是政府的地對那是租的有些啦廠房標準廠房也是政府蓋的哪裡標準的廠房哪裡比如說哪一個新竹科學園所有的廠房所有的廠房不是所有的廠房標準廠房所以你現在這一個是所有的都是政府要把它蓋好喔"},{"start":182.822,"end":185.383,"text":"我先講的是說有沒有哪一個是所有都是政府出錢幫他買地蓋廠房有沒有沒有沒有嘛好那因為就這個部分嘉義無人機本席要在這裡強調其實非常認同我們這一次可以藉由去紅色供應鏈可以參與這個包括美國或者其他世界國家的接軌去發展無人機的產業鏈本席非常認同可是"},{"start":211.676,"end":227.099,"text":"我們很擔心在這個過程當中我們的做法會是要秒助長或者就是他已經奠定了未來可能不太會成功的一個這樣子的因子所以我特別提出來因為你來自業界如果用這樣的方法時間的關係像我舉一個今天農業部也在場農業部過去曾經為了要讓我們的青農可以有發展的機會"},{"start":237.401,"end":249.152,"text":"他在整個台塘的園區租了大概將近百公頃的土地那時候種植香蕉請了專業的人士有很多的植物醫生也好很多專業的人去教他們種香蕉那時候每個月還給他薪資"},{"start":254.036,"end":258.057,"text":"賺的錢是歸他們可是賠錢就太農發去吸收到最後不但血本無歸而且賠了很多錢甚至還毀了我們的整個農業包括那幾年香蕉的收入還有它的產值都非常非常的差因為它不用承擔責任今天如果我們台灣要發展這樣子的一個無人機的產業"},{"start":277.822,"end":298.396,"text":"部長您是來自業界我相信您大概也知道說我們會擔心的是什麼我們贊成可是你不要用政府的錢讓大家這些對象會是誰所有人都可以來參與嗎那這樣子會不會對我們的這個整個產業造成影響這個部分部長你有什麼看法我們會記取那個委員垂詢的這個經驗"},{"start":300.277,"end":319.807,"text":"就這個部分因為包括那時候香蕉很多它大概都是變成甚至是垃圾它不是當飼料而已所以我們希望它要成功的話可以讓它有機會可以做到最好的程度就這個部分是不是部長可以提供給本席一個相關的資料"},{"start":322.708,"end":336.287,"text":"主席讓我講完好不好主席你別讓我講完我請他提供資料而已部長麻煩你提供相關的資料給本席就你們的分析為什麼這樣做是可行的還有他的利弊得失好不好好謝謝好請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:40:44.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:40:45.898000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩請經濟部郭部長，還有國發會副主委。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:40:46.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:40:57.205000+08:00","text":"郭部長、國發會高副主委。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:40:57.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:40:58.205000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:40:57.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:40:57.485000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:40:58.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:00.908000+08:00","text":"首先我是不是先請教國發會副主委？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:02.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:19.643000+08:00","text":"在嘉義無人機園區要購地還有相關經費編了六十八億多，我在國防預算上面有看到，這部分是不是由國發會出的錢，然後給軍備局，再交給中科院執行，是嗎？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:21.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:22.964000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告……是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:22.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:23.465000+08:00","text":"回答就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:24.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:28.806000+08:00","text":"無人機這個案子是由經濟部來主責，有分軍用的跟那個……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:28.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:33.626000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你告訴我現在六十八億多是不是由國發會出的錢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:33.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:34.626000+08:00","text":"就這個部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:34.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:38.327000+08:00","text":"基本上它要不是公建就是科技預算，不會由國發會來出，看預算的來源……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:39.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:40.488000+08:00","text":"是有什麼預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:41.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:43.828000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我不知道，因為是經濟部主責的事情。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:43.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:44.389000+08:00","text":"那不然請部長好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:44.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:44.429000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:47.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:47.688000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在是指無人機的部分，是不是？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:47.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:41:52.091000+08:00","text":"對，嘉義園區，現在有一個部分要買地，包括廠房什麼的，這些經費有編了一筆六十八億多，因為國防部給我們的資訊是由國發會出的錢，剛剛顯然國發會也不知道這個部分，那這一筆錢是哪裡出的？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:41:52.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:17.751000+08:00","text":"這一筆錢是因為我們在嘉義要設置兩個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:17.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:18.012000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:18.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:21.473000+08:00","text":"部長，我說是誰出的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:21.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:22.454000+08:00","text":"可能是公建的預算。啊？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:23.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:23.594000+08:00","text":"公共建設。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:24.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:27.276000+08:00","text":"公共建設由哪裡出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:27.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:30.237000+08:00","text":"是公共建設的部分出的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:30.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:32.458000+08:00","text":"我們經濟部跟國科會吧。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:33.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:34.899000+08:00","text":"一起出的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:34.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:34.899000+08:00","text":"六十八億多。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:35.920000+08:00","text":"這個我還要再了解一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:36.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:39.762000+08:00","text":"好，麻煩確認以後再給本席相關的資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:40.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:42:58.728000+08:00","text":"我接下來要請教部長，因為您來自業界，我們臺灣整體包括產業園區、科學園區或者其他發展的各種園區，有沒有哪一個園區是由政府出錢買地、出錢蓋廠房、出錢蓋廠棚，甚至出錢蓋測試的廠房，還有出錢去買測試的儀器跟裝備？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:42:58.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:00.549000+08:00","text":"臺灣目前有沒有哪一個產業園區是這樣子的？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:00.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:19.509000+08:00","text":"就我所了解的，科學園區的地不能夠賣，是政府的地。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:20.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:21.431000+08:00","text":"對，那是租的，有些啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:22.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:24.853000+08:00","text":"標準廠房也是政府蓋的。哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:24.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:26.734000+08:00","text":"標準的廠房。哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:26.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:27.475000+08:00","text":"比如說哪一個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:27.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:29.056000+08:00","text":"新竹科學園區。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:30.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:30.597000+08:00","text":"新竹科學園區所有的廠房……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:31.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:33.579000+08:00","text":"不是所有的廠房，是標準廠房。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:33.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:38.202000+08:00","text":"對，所以現在所有的都是政府要把它蓋好喔？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:38.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.202000+08:00","text":"我們講的……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:38.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.402000+08:00","text":"我現在講的是，有沒有哪一個是政府出錢幫他們買地、蓋廠房，有沒有？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.482000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.522000+08:00","text":"沒有嘛。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:43:39.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:44:21.019000+08:00","text":"好，因為這個嘉義無人機，本席要在這裡強調，其實本席非常認同這次可以藉由去紅色供應鏈參與，包括美國或者其他世界國家的接軌，發展無人機的產業鏈，本席非常認同，可是我很擔心在這個過程當中，我們的作法會揠苗助長，或者它已經奠定了未來可能不太會成功的因子，所以我特別提出來。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:44:21.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:44:53.137000+08:00","text":"因為你們來自業界，如果用這樣的方法……時間的關係，我舉一個例子，今天農業部也在場，農業部過去曾經為了要讓青農可以有發展的機會，在台糖園區租了大概將近百公頃的土地，那時候種植香蕉，請了專業的人士，有很多的植物醫生，有很多專業的人去教他們種香蕉，那時候每個月還給他們薪資，賺的錢歸他們，賠錢就由台農吸收，到最後不但血本無歸，而且賠了很多錢，甚至還毀了我們整個農業，那幾年香蕉的收入還有產值都非常非常的差，因為它不用承擔責任。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:44:53.137000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:44:54.137000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:44:53.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:18.765000+08:00","text":"今天如果臺灣要發展這樣子的無人機產業，部長您是來自業界，我相信您大概也知道我們擔心的是什麼……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:18.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:19.765000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝馬委員，發言時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:18.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:26.310000+08:00","text":"我們贊成，可是你不要用政府的錢讓大家……這些對象會是誰，所有人都可以來參與嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:26.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:32.495000+08:00","text":"這樣會不會對我們整個產業造成影響，這個部分部長有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:32.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:33.495000+08:00","text":"謝謝，發言時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:32.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:34.396000+08:00","text":"我們會記取委員所垂詢的經驗。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:34.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:36.277000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝馬委員，發言時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:36.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:52.645000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，因為那時候香蕉很多，它甚至變成垃圾，不是當飼料而已，所以我們希望它要成功，可以讓它有機會做到最好的程度。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:52.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:53.645000+08:00","text":"馬委員，發言時間到，請尊重主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:53.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:55.787000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，部長是不是可以提供本席一個相關資料？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:45:58.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:45:59.870000+08:00","text":"主席，讓我講完好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:00.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.147000+08:00","text":"主席你讓我講完，我請他提供資料而已，部長麻煩你提供相關資料給本席，就你們的分析，為什麼這樣做是可行的，還有它的利弊得失好不好？好。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.147000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:13.147000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.167000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.267000+08:00","text":"好，請回座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:12.767000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:16.767000+08:00","text":"本席主持會議一向公正，一視同仁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:17.067000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:21.352714+08:00","text":"關於納稅人的錢，請主席給一點時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:21.652714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:25.081286+08:00","text":"請你尊重主席，尊重本委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:25.381286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:26.381286+08:00","text":"差那30秒？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:26.681286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:32.395571+08:00","text":"下一位委員應當會很準時，賴委員是非常模範的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T11:46:32.695571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:46:34.409857+08:00","text":"請賴士葆委員。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":734,"blocks":[["馬委員文君：（11時40分）謝謝主席，麻煩請經濟部郭部長，還有國發會副主委。"],["主席：郭部長、國發會高副主委。"],["馬委員文君：謝謝。"],["郭部長智輝：委員好。"],["馬委員文君：部長好。首先我是不是先請教國發會副主委？在嘉義無人機園區要購地還有相關經費編了六十八億多，我在國防預算上面有看到，這部分是不是由國發會出的錢，然後給軍備局，再交給中科院執行，是嗎？"],["高副主任委員仙桂：我跟委員報告……"],["馬委員文君：是嗎？回答就好。"],["高副主任委員仙桂：無人機這個案子是由經濟部來主責，有分軍用的跟那個……"],["馬委員文君：沒關係，你告訴我現在六十八億多是不是由國發會出的錢？就這個部分。"],["高副主任委員仙桂：基本上它要不是公建就是科技預算，不會由國發會來出，看預算的來源……"],["馬委員文君：是有什麼預算？"],["高副主任委員仙桂：不好意思，我不知道，因為是經濟部主責的事情。"],["馬委員文君：那不然請部長好了。好，謝謝。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，現在是指無人機的部分，是不是？"],["馬委員文君：對，嘉義園區，現在有一個部分要買地，包括廠房什麼的，這些經費有編了一筆六十八億多，因為國防部給我們的資訊是由國發會出的錢，剛剛顯然國發會也不知道這個部分，那這一筆錢是哪裡出的？"],["郭部長智輝：這一筆錢是因為我們在嘉義要設置兩個……"],["馬委員文君：我知道。部長，我說是誰出的錢？"],["郭部長智輝：可能是公建的預算。"],["馬委員文君：啊？"],["郭部長智輝：公共建設。"],["馬委員文君：公共建設由哪裡出來？是公共建設的部分出的錢？"],["郭部長智輝：我們經濟部跟國科會吧。"],["馬委員文君：一起出的錢？六十八億多。"],["郭部長智輝：這個我還要再了解一下。"],["馬委員文君：好，麻煩確認以後再給本席相關的資料。我接下來要請教部長，因為您來自業界，我們臺灣整體包括產業園區、科學園區或者其他發展的各種園區，有沒有哪一個園區是由政府出錢買地、出錢蓋廠房、出錢蓋廠棚，甚至出錢蓋測試的廠房，還有出錢去買測試的儀器跟裝備？臺灣目前有沒有哪一個產業園區是這樣子的？"],["郭部長智輝：就我所了解的，科學園區的地不能夠賣，是政府的地。"],["馬委員文君：對，那是租的，有些啦。"],["郭部長智輝：標準廠房也是政府蓋的。"],["馬委員文君：哪裡？"],["郭部長智輝：標準的廠房。"],["馬委員文君：哪裡？比如說哪一個？"],["郭部長智輝：新竹科學園區。"],["馬委員文君：新竹科學園區所有的廠房……"],["郭部長智輝：不是所有的廠房，是標準廠房。"],["馬委員文君：對，所以現在所有的都是政府要把它蓋好喔？"],["郭部長智輝：我們講的……"],["馬委員文君：我現在講的是，有沒有哪一個是政府出錢幫他們買地、蓋廠房，有沒有？"],["郭部長智輝：沒有、沒有。"],["馬委員文君：沒有嘛。好，因為這個嘉義無人機，本席要在這裡強調，其實本席非常認同這次可以藉由去紅色供應鏈參與，包括美國或者其他世界國家的接軌，發展無人機的產業鏈，本席非常認同，可是我很擔心在這個過程當中，我們的作法會揠苗助長，或者它已經奠定了未來可能不太會成功的因子，所以我特別提出來。因為你們來自業界，如果用這樣的方法……時間的關係，我舉一個例子，今天農業部也在場，農業部過去曾經為了要讓青農可以有發展的機會，在台糖園區租了大概將近百公頃的土地，那時候種植香蕉，請了專業的人士，有很多的植物醫生，有很多專業的人去教他們種香蕉，那時候每個月還給他們薪資，賺的錢歸他們，賠錢就由台農吸收，到最後不但血本無歸，而且賠了很多錢，甚至還毀了我們整個農業，那幾年香蕉的收入還有產值都非常非常的差，因為它不用承擔責任。"],["主席：好，謝謝。"],["馬委員文君：今天如果臺灣要發展這樣子的無人機產業，部長您是來自業界，我相信您大概也知道我們擔心的是什麼……"],["主席：好，謝謝馬委員，發言時間到。"],["馬委員文君：我們贊成，可是你不要用政府的錢讓大家……這些對象會是誰，所有人都可以來參與嗎？這樣會不會對我們整個產業造成影響，這個部分部長有什麼看法？"],["主席：謝謝，發言時間到。"],["郭部長智輝：我們會記取委員所垂詢的經驗。"],["主席：好，謝謝馬委員，發言時間到。"],["馬委員文君：就這個部分，因為那時候香蕉很多，它甚至變成垃圾，不是當飼料而已，所以我們希望它要成功，可以讓它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