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7T11:57:02.929000+08:00","text":"對啊，我們雙十國慶還請他們到總統府……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:02.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:07.051000+08:00","text":"我們外交部過去到現在沒有任何溝通的部分嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:07.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:09.432000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有試著跟共和黨溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:10.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:11.592000+08:00","text":"試著跟川普陣營溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:12.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:19.115000+08:00","text":"就說你影射的其實真的不是事實，奧運也已經證明了，能不能不要再拿這樣的例子了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:19.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:25.377000+08:00","text":"你要怎麼樣競選，那是你的競選的方式，我們尊重，因為我們本來也沒有辦法涉入他們的選舉嘛！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:25.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:31.760000+08:00","text":"沒有，沒有，他們如果講不對的事情，我們也不能夠說就什麼尊重，我是說如果委員問我對它的表態，我是跟你一樣的啊！是啊！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:32.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:35.341000+08:00","text":"但是為什麼我們沒有任何的溝通管道去捍衛我們的主張呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:35.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:38.562000+08:00","text":"我們過去到現在，有沒有試著跟共和黨溝通過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:38.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:39.523000+08:00","text":"有沒有試著跟川普陣營溝通過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:39.523000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:43.749000+08:00","text":"沒有就這件事情溝通。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:43.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:43.749000+08:00","text":"沒有溝通！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:44.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:46.852000+08:00","text":"但是我們的態度很一致、很清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:46.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:47.852000+08:00","text":"沒有溝通！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:47.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:48.313000+08:00","text":"這就是部長證實了……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:48.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:57:49.474000+08:00","text":"我們相信奧運，也捍衛我們的金牌……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:57:49.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:04.787000+08:00","text":"今天這個人如果他是美國老大哥、當選人，他講什麼東西似是而非，即便是侮辱到我們的選手了，即便是影射到我們選手了，我們沒有溝通，這樣對嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:06.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:10.625000+08:00","text":"那個發言的脈絡，請委員再去瞭解，因為他沒有指名啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:10.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:11.625000+08:00","text":"這樣對嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:11.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:12.625000+08:00","text":"這樣對嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:11.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:15.326000+08:00","text":"但是我也不是說沒有指名，我們就不能夠表示我們的態度，像委員問我，我就是表示啊！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:15.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:16.186000+08:00","text":"跟你一樣的態度啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:16.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:19.912667+08:00","text":"部長，我們今天站在同一個立場，今天我們任何一個選手，選手沒有黨派，都是我們中華民國的選手，今天有任何一個選手真的這樣子被攻擊了，我真的呼籲外交部不要因為攻擊的人是美國，我們自己就矮一半，膝蓋就軟一半，腰桿就軟一半。","quality":0.299},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:19.912667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:23.639333+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:23.639333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:58:27.366000+08:00","text":"我們都勇敢做自己啊，走向全世界啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:58:27.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:07.178000+08:00","text":"部長，我再請教立陶宛，前兩天委員質詢也有請教到你，你也說要極力爭取，因為現在駐立陶宛臺灣代表處的這個名稱說要改變，這是他們現在新任的總統……總理。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:07.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:10+08:00","text":"新任的總理表示的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:10+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:11+08:00","text":"他現在內閣還在籌組中，還沒有定啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:10.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:10.681000+08:00","text":"對，我們現在溝通的狀況怎麼樣？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:10.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:11.681000+08:00","text":"溝通狀況？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:11.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:12.681000+08:00","text":"我們掌握的狀況怎麼樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:12.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:13.681000+08:00","text":"因為這是當時臺立雙方的共識……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:13.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:14.681000+08:00","text":"有多少信心？2021年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:14.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:15.681000+08:00","text":"如果有不同的想法或怎麼樣，我們當然要去溝通啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:15.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:16.681000+08:00","text":"沒錯，你講了嘛，2021年我們雙方的共識，所以說有第一個駐立陶宛臺灣代表處，而不是用臺北代表處，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:14.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:15.633000+08:00","text":"我現在想請教的是，你經過這一段時間的溝通，現在掌握的狀況，有多少信心認為我們不會被改名？","quality":0.35},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:15.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:16.534000+08:00","text":"還是說有可能會被改名？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:44.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:48.666000+08:00","text":"任何的改變都需要經過雙方的討論，因為這先前是我們……","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:48.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T11:59:55.231000+08:00","text":"是嘛，所以我想要請教你，你們跟對方溝通，現在他們的態度是非常強硬還是有得溝通？","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T11:59:56.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:02.016000+08:00","text":"因為現在10月27號大選完，還在籌組政府，現在的政府是看守政府，交接期……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:02.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:03.657000+08:00","text":"所以其實還沒有跟新的政府溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:03.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:04.918000+08:00","text":"還沒有產生新的政府。是啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:06.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:06.939000+08:00","text":"這樣子，你在那邊一直講有溝通……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:07.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:07.840000+08:00","text":"我們的駐處跟他們跨黨的都有溝通。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:07.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:08.220000+08:00","text":"什麼時候會溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:08.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:13.505000+08:00","text":"有，我們持續……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:13.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:14.271000+08:00","text":"因為看起來這件事情是他們想要做喔！對啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:18.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:19.765000+08:00","text":"所以什麼時候我們會溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:20.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:22.706000+08:00","text":"你有多少把握認為這個名字不會被改掉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:23.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:32.993000+08:00","text":"還是其實看起來新任政府上任了，擋不住了，因為我們可能跟過去的政府關係好一點，所以現在新的政府上任之後，我們沒有辦法、沒有把握會被改名？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:33.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:40.698000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在政府還在籌組中，這個聯合政府會找哪一個政黨來加入，也要等到確定……是嘛！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:40.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:41.698000+08:00","text":"部長，這個是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:41.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:42.698000+08:00","text":"因為找不同的政黨加入後會有不同的方向。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:40.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:42.539000+08:00","text":"部長，這個是國安不能講，還是你現在還沒有掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:42.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:43.539000+08:00","text":"有，都有掌握。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:43.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:44.539000+08:00","text":"其實本席問的事情都很中肯，而且也是社會大眾、臺灣所有民眾都關心的議題，身為外交部長在這邊，我不知道你每一次實問都虛答……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:44.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:45.539000+08:00","text":"不會喔，你問我，我很實的在答，委員也不是第一次問我，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:45.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:46.539000+08:00","text":"我不是第一次問你，從交通問到外交啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:46.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:47.539000+08:00","text":"我當交通部長，你關心很多議題，我都有具體，我當外交部長也是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:00:47.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:00:48.380000+08:00","text":"但是重點是到底我們有多少把握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:16.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:20.313000+08:00","text":"從頭到尾我都強調一件事情，對外交來講，我多一分的寬容。謝謝。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:20.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:28.056000+08:00","text":"因為所有第一線的外交人員，在外面就是代表中華民國，我們都是中華民國一分子，沒有黨派之分。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:28.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:35.499000+08:00","text":"但重點是我們現在面臨到什麼樣的情況，不要報喜不報憂，不要每一次狀況發生了，然後我們對國內都大內宣：沒事，沒事！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:35.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:46.044000+08:00","text":"好像全世界大家現在都很支持臺灣獨立，實際上沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:46.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:54.131000+08:00","text":"你們只是在偷渡你們的政治意識形態，現在到底國際社會的現實怎麼樣，你總是要讓我們國內大家瞭解啊！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:54.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:01:57.193000+08:00","text":"所以我現在問你到底有多少把握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:01:57.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:10.964000+08:00","text":"還是三個月後、兩個月後，等他們新任政府上任，立陶宛這邊，第一個，當初2021年民進黨政府大內宣，然後拍拍手，駐立陶宛臺灣代表處突然間換一個招牌，又換回來了！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:10.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:15.099083+08:00","text":"因為這是臺立雙方透過政府所達成的共識，才有設處的名稱嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:15.099083+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:19.234167+08:00","text":"所以你現在沒有把握維持不變？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:19.234167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:23.369250+08:00","text":"我們當然是要維持不變啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:23.369250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:27.504333+08:00","text":"那有多少把握？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:27.504333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:31.639417+08:00","text":"我們相信透過雙邊溝通，希望能夠不受任何的影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:31.639417+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:35.774500+08:00","text":"部長，你真的是實問虛答！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:35.774500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:39.909583+08:00","text":"你問我假設性的問題，我當然是要假設……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:39.909583+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:44.044667+08:00","text":"不是，這不是假設的問題，多少把握這哪裡假設？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:44.044667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:48.179750+08:00","text":"多少把握只存在在你心裡，多少把握只存在在我們現在掌握的情報……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:48.179750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:52.314833+08:00","text":"沒有啦，多少把握就變成好像有模糊空間……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:52.314833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:02:56.449917+08:00","text":"多少把握只存在在我們現在的國際現實到底是怎麼樣，這不是假設問題，部長，加油！","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-07T12:02:56.449917+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:03:00.585000+08:00","text":"中華民國靠各位外交同仁，但是絕對不是拿外交出口轉內銷，我們不要自我麻痺，政治意識形態真的可以放一邊，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:03:00.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:03:00.785000+08:00","text":"謝謝你的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:03:01.285000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:03:04.427857+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員，部長請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:03:04.727857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:03:09.013571+08:00","text":"接下來我們請賴士葆委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":628,"blocks":[["洪委員孟楷：（11時53分）謝謝主席，麻煩請林佳龍部長。"],["主席：請林部長。"],["林部長佳龍：委員好。"],["洪委員孟楷：林部長，我想賴清德政府對於川普重返白宮應該是有評估過，是不是？"],["林部長佳龍：有。"],["洪委員孟楷：評估過嘛！因為任何的可能性，不管是賀錦麗當選或是川普重返白宮，都有評估過，所以我想應該不至於會發生像上一次押寶明顯而導致於要修復關係的狀況，但是現在很多委員大家都關心，川普在上任之後，他的所作所為跟4年前第一任的時候，可能也會有點不同，因為畢竟世界環境也都在變，但有些核心價值，我想我們還是要堅守。"],["林部長佳龍：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：因為川普他之前當總統候選人選舉的期間，其實不只一次公開發言攻擊我們臺灣的奧運選手，說變性的疑雲，過去甚至在選舉前最後一天，在賓州搖擺州投票造勢的時候，他又再一次暗示講到奧運的資格可能是有問題，部長有沒有看到這樣的訊息？"],["林部長佳龍：奧運是全世界公認最高的運動競技……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們的林郁婷選手拿到金牌，奧運的資格審查也沒有問題，他是貨真價實的金牌選手嘛！對不對？"],["林部長佳龍：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是川普在過去選舉的時候，甚至選前造勢的時候，都一而再、再而三去提到這件事情，我們沒有看到外交部有任何反應耶！"],["林部長佳龍：就像我剛剛講的，當然我們就是相信奧運的一個競賽規則所得到的金牌啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：是啊！即便他是現在自由世界最高的領導人，他現在當選了，但是他能夠用這樣似是而非的言論去攻擊我們的選手嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：因為他沒有指名，但是因為他講的先前有一些脈絡，所以如洪委員講的，我們就是捍衛臺灣奧運的選手……"],["洪委員孟楷：我不知道……"],["林部長佳龍：他們得到的獎牌啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：是，部長，所以捍衛我們的選手，如果說有任何國家、任何人講出似是而非的言論攻擊我們的選手，我們都應該要跳出來，澄清、主張、表達我們的立場，是吧？"],["林部長佳龍：對，就像委員現在問我，我就是這樣表達。"],["洪委員孟楷：是，但是川普現在講這樣的部分，我們怎麼沒有看到我們的駐美代表、駐美辦事處有任何的回應？任何的澄清？"],["林部長佳龍：就最近這次選舉，他在那個場合，他沒有講到……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們要像經濟部長之前被問到的時候一樣，經濟部長在備詢時被問到臺灣要付費的問題，經濟部長回應說：川普又沒有直接來問我，所以我不用回答他。"],["林部長佳龍：我們的立場很一致而且很清楚……"],["洪委員孟楷：可是他現在就是公開的在媒體上造勢……"],["林部長佳龍：我們的是貨真價實的奧運金牌選手。"],["洪委員孟楷：是，如果任何人這樣子持續攻擊，我們難道不去表達嚴正的立場嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：如果委員問我，我就在這裡表達啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：所以川普沒有直接問你，你就不用回應川普的話？"],["林部長佳龍：在選舉期間，每件事情我都要去回應嗎？"],["洪委員孟楷：他指到我們啊！重點是他指到我們。"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，如果你講最近這一次，你要去詳細看他的文字……"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，你不覺得這樣子是唾面自乾嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：不會。"],["洪委員孟楷：人家都已經說到我們的選手……"],["林部長佳龍：我的立場都很一致啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：我們新北的選手，不管臺灣的選手、新北選手都好，他就是貨真價實的奧運金牌選手嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：對啊，我們雙十國慶還請他們到總統府……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們外交部過去到現在沒有任何溝通的部分嗎？我們有沒有試著跟共和黨溝通？試著跟川普陣營溝通？就說你影射的其實真的不是事實，奧運也已經證明了，能不能不要再拿這樣的例子了？你要怎麼樣競選，那是你的競選的方式，我們尊重，因為我們本來也沒有辦法涉入他們的選舉嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，沒有，他們如果講不對的事情，我們也不能夠說就什麼尊重，我是說如果委員問我對它的表態，我是跟你一樣的啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：是啊！但是為什麼我們沒有任何的溝通管道去捍衛我們的主張呢？我們過去到現在，有沒有試著跟共和黨溝通過？有沒有試著跟川普陣營溝通過？"],["林部長佳龍：沒有就這件事情溝通。"],["洪委員孟楷：沒有溝通！"],["林部長佳龍：但是我們的態度很一致、很清楚。"],["洪委員孟楷：沒有溝通！這就是部長證實了……"],["林部長佳龍：我們相信奧運，也捍衛我們的金牌……"],["洪委員孟楷：今天這個人如果他是美國老大哥、當選人，他講什麼東西似是而非，即便是侮辱到我們的選手了，即便是影射到我們選手了，我們沒有溝通，這樣對嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：那個發言的脈絡，請委員再去瞭解，因為他沒有指名啦！"],["洪委員孟楷：這樣對嗎？這樣對嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：但是我也不是說沒有指名，我們就不能夠表示我們的態度，像委員問我，我就是表示啊！跟你一樣的態度啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，我們今天站在同一個立場，今天我們任何一個選手，選手沒有黨派，都是我們中華民國的選手，今天有任何一個選手真的這樣子被攻擊了，我真的呼籲外交部不要因為攻擊的人是美國，我們自己就矮一半，膝蓋就軟一半，腰桿就軟一半。"],["林部長佳龍：不會啦！我們都勇敢做自己啊，走向全世界啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，我再請教立陶宛，前兩天委員質詢也有請教到你，你也說要極力爭取，因為現在駐立陶宛臺灣代表處的這個名稱說要改變，這是他們現在新任的總統……"],["林部長佳龍：總理。"],["洪委員孟楷：新任的總理表示的。"],["林部長佳龍：他現在內閣還在籌組中，還沒有定啦！"],["洪委員孟楷：對，我們現在溝通的狀況怎麼樣？"],["林部長佳龍：溝通狀況？"],["洪委員孟楷：我們掌握的狀況怎麼樣？"],["林部長佳龍：因為這是當時臺立雙方的共識……"],["洪委員孟楷：有多少信心？2021年……"],["林部長佳龍：如果有不同的想法或怎麼樣，我們當然要去溝通啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：沒錯，你講了嘛，2021年我們雙方的共識，所以說有第一個駐立陶宛臺灣代表處，而不是用臺北代表處，對不對？我現在想請教的是，你經過這一段時間的溝通，現在掌握的狀況，有多少信心認為我們不會被改名？還是說有可能會被改名？"],["林部長佳龍：任何的改變都需要經過雙方的討論，因為這先前是我們……"],["洪委員孟楷：是嘛，所以我想要請教你，你們跟對方溝通，現在他們的態度是非常強硬還是有得溝通？"],["林部長佳龍：因為現在10月27號大選完，還在籌組政府，現在的政府是看守政府，交接期……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以其實還沒有跟新的政府溝通？"],["林部長佳龍：還沒有產生新的政府。"],["洪委員孟楷：是啊！這樣子，你在那邊一直講有溝通……"],["林部長佳龍：我們的駐處跟他們跨黨的都有溝通。"],["洪委員孟楷：什麼時候會溝通？"],["林部長佳龍：有，我們持續……"],["洪委員孟楷：因為看起來這件事情是他們想要做喔！"],["林部長佳龍：對啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：所以什麼時候我們會溝通？你有多少把握認為這個名字不會被改掉？還是其實看起來新任政府上任了，擋不住了，因為我們可能跟過去的政府關係好一點，所以現在新的政府上任之後，我們沒有辦法、沒有把握會被改名？"],["林部長佳龍：跟委員報告，現在政府還在籌組中，這個聯合政府會找哪一個政黨來加入，也要等到確定……"],["洪委員孟楷：是嘛！部長，這個是……"],["林部長佳龍：因為找不同的政黨加入後會有不同的方向。"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，這個是國安不能講，還是你現在還沒有掌握？"],["林部長佳龍：有，都有掌握。"],["洪委員孟楷：其實本席問的事情都很中肯，而且也是社會大眾、臺灣所有民眾都關心的議題，身為外交部長在這邊，我不知道你每一次實問都虛答……"],["林部長佳龍：不會喔，你問我，我很實的在答，委員也不是第一次問我，對不對？"],["洪委員孟楷：我不是第一次問你，從交通問到外交啊！"],["林部長佳龍：我當交通部長，你關心很多議題，我都有具體，我當外交部長也是。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是重點是到底我們有多少把握？從頭到尾我都強調一件事情，對外交來講，我多一分的寬容。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝。"],["洪委員孟楷：因為所有第一線的外交人員，在外面就是代表中華民國，我們都是中華民國一分子，沒有黨派之分。但重點是我們現在面臨到什麼樣的情況，不要報喜不報憂，不要每一次狀況發生了，然後我們對國內都大內宣：沒事，沒事！好像全世界大家現在都很支持臺灣獨立，實際上沒有啊！你們只是在偷渡你們的政治意識形態，現在到底國際社會的現實怎麼樣，你總是要讓我們國內大家瞭解啊！所以我現在問你到底有多少把握？還是三個月後、兩個月後，等他們新任政府上任，立陶宛這邊，第一個，當初2021年民進黨政府大內宣，然後拍拍手，駐立陶宛臺灣代表處突然間換一個招牌，又換回來了！"],["林部長佳龍：因為這是臺立雙方透過政府所達成的共識，才有設處的名稱嘛！"],["洪委員孟楷：所以你現在沒有把握維持不變？"],["林部長佳龍：我們當然是要維持不變啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：那有多少把握？"],["林部長佳龍：我們相信透過雙邊溝通，希望能夠不受任何的影響。"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，你真的是實問虛答！"],["林部長佳龍：你問我假設性的問題，我當然是要假設……"],["洪委員孟楷：不是，這不是假設的問題，多少把握這哪裡假設？多少把握只存在在你心裡，多少把握只存在在我們現在掌握的情報……"],["林部長佳龍：沒有啦，多少把握就變成好像有模糊空間……"],["洪委員孟楷：多少把握只存在在我們現在的國際現實到底是怎麼樣，這不是假設問題，部長，加油！中華民國靠各位外交同仁，但是絕對不是拿外交出口轉內銷，我們不要自我麻痺，政治意識形態真的可以放一邊，謝謝。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝你的支持。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員，部長請回。","接下來我們請賴士葆委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":364,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-11","speakers":["林憶君","王定宇","陳冠廷","黃仁","馬文君","林楚茵","徐巧芯","羅美玲","沈伯洋","洪申翰","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","賴士葆","李坤城","牛煦庭","羅智強","葉元之","陳永康"],"page_start":301,"meetingDate":["2024-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、大陸委員會報告「美國總統大選後，對於美中台三邊關係及未來國際局勢發展\n之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139501_00018"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}