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sed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:22.394000+08:00","text":"不能沒有臺灣嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:22.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:40.084000+08:00","text":"然後第二個，紐約時報也提到了，其實中國大陸那邊非常歡迎川普重返白宮，兩個原因，第一個原因，因為拜登之前都是在中國大陸附近的鄰國結盟，讓他們感到很大圍堵的壓力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:40.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:47.467000+08:00","text":"第二個原因，這是紐約時報講的，川普對於保護臺灣其實沒有太大的興趣，而這一點中共是非常歡迎的，所以我覺得像這樣一個局勢，我們……","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:47.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:48.467000+08:00","text":"剛剛梁文傑副主委有談到不是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:48.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:49.467000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，請教一下，紐約時報這樣的分析您認同嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:49.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:50.467000+08:00","text":"紐約時報這樣分析您認同嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:50.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:51.467000+08:00","text":"看你從哪個角度看啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:51.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:52.467000+08:00","text":"你認同嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:48.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:40:49.970000+08:00","text":"沒有，其實從更高的層次來講，就是他抗中的力道更強啊！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:40:49.970000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:06.567000+08:00","text":"這個對臺灣的安全，我們的重要性就更大了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:06.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:12.032000+08:00","text":"所以你只看對我們心安的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:12.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:23.601000+08:00","text":"我覺得大家都應該要料敵為重，如果大家都粉飾太平的話，其實我們就統統過太平日子，也不需要來這邊報告嘛！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:24.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:24.662000+08:00","text":"如果講的都是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:25.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:27.204000+08:00","text":"沒有，不能夠這樣。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:27.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:32.669000+08:00","text":"所以請問一下外交部，針對我剛剛講的一些外媒的分析，做了哪些因應的對策呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:34.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:34.786000+08:00","text":"對策喔！對啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:35.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:41:54.878000+08:00","text":"第一個就是我們當然密切關注他的主張跟人事布局，因為他重視的議題，我們怎麼樣去跟他取得交集，比如他很重視投資美國、創造就業，然後他會用關稅的手段做為外交談判，這個時候他比較採取……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:41:56.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:00.502000+08:00","text":"沒有，我是說針對可能會有風險的部分，有做出哪些對策？風險？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:00.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:01.502000+08:00","text":"我覺得有風險也有機會啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:01.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:02.502000+08:00","text":"我在問風險嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:02.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:03.502000+08:00","text":"機會就不用講了嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:03.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:04.502000+08:00","text":"現在大家在監督，當然是希望你針對風險部分，所以完全沒有對策，好，謝謝。有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:04.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:05.502000+08:00","text":"你不要這樣，你不要硬拗啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:05.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:06.502000+08:00","text":"那是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:06.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:07.502000+08:00","text":"那是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:07.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:08.502000+08:00","text":"那為什麼講不出來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:08.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:09.502000+08:00","text":"委員，你要給我幾分鐘，我就講幾分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:09.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:10.502000+08:00","text":"我們質詢時間很有限啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:10.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:11.502000+08:00","text":"真的沒辦法從盤古開天、女媧補天開始講啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:11.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:12.502000+08:00","text":"我的問題都很清楚……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:02.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:03.862000+08:00","text":"對於川普關切的議題，我們都要注意，都要因應。","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:03.862000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:19.136333+08:00","text":"沒關係，沒關係，部長……什麼做法講不出來嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:19.136333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:34.410667+08:00","text":"我們跟他合作的空間……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:34.410667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:49.685000+08:00","text":"第二個，剛剛很多委員也都有問，因為蔡總統之前曾經有跟川普通過電話，當時說什麼透過川普的女婿，發揮很大的影響力，達到了不起的成就，現在為什麼忽然間我們又不想要跟川普通電話，是為什麼？","quality":0.256},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:49.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:51.526000+08:00","text":"以前的我不清楚，因為我那時候不是外交部長……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:51.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:51.806000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，但為什麼現在就不想……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:51.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:54.728000+08:00","text":"對我來講，我覺得臺美關係是要從整體來看，我沒有投入要去怎麼樣安排這些，而川普總統最後怎麼做，我們還是要密切觀察。","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:54.728000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:56.781200+08:00","text":"沒有，那並不是川普打電話給蔡總統好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:56.781200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:42:58.834400+08:00","text":"是臺灣的外交部去運作嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:42:58.834400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:00.887600+08:00","text":"讓蔡總統去跟川普通電話嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:00.887600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:02.940800+08:00","text":"我的問題是為什麼之前把這個通電話視為重大外交成就，但是現在卻不認為做這個事情很重要，為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:02.940800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:04.994000+08:00","text":"為什麼有這樣的轉變？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:04.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:28.222000+08:00","text":"就像委員講的，你說他不可預測性，他上次用通電話，這次會用什麼，我們也是……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:28.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:31.205000+08:00","text":"沒有，通電話他要不要接是一回事，上次是……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:31.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:33.606000+08:00","text":"因為第二次就是重複啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:33.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:37.169000+08:00","text":"部長，所以你認為不要重複做同一件事，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:37.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:38.169000+08:00","text":"你剛剛的意思是不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:37.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:40.111000+08:00","text":"這是雙方面，我目前做外交部長，我沒有在做這件事情。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:40.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:51.300000+08:00","text":"好，但問題是之前是我們外交部運作去跟川普通電話，我現在問的是就外交部的立場，這次為什麼沒有覺得要去運作這個事情，為什麼？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:51.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:53.322000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講因為重複的事不想再做嘛！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:53.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:57.163000+08:00","text":"蔡總統做的事情，賴總統不需要再做，你的意思是這樣嗎？不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:57.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:58.163000+08:00","text":"那你在繞圈圈……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:57.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:43:59.244000+08:00","text":"我覺得臺美關係很多要做的事，而且可以做得好，我覺得在這個方面……","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:43:59.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:01.165000+08:00","text":"當然很多事情都要做，通電話這個事情為什麼不做，我的問題這麼簡單，為什麼都沒辦法回答呢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:01.165000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:02.386875+08:00","text":"不是，我已經回答你了嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:02.386875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:03.608750+08:00","text":"你沒有回答，你是說還可以做別的事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:03.608750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:04.830625+08:00","text":"我覺得媒體要操作成我們好像有求於人，結果不成或怎麼樣，我不想讓這個問題變成疑美論、疑賴論……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:04.830625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:06.052500+08:00","text":"不是媒體啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:06.052500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:07.274375+08:00","text":"我現在不管媒體啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:07.274375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:08.496250+08:00","text":"我現在不管媒體啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:08.496250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:09.718125+08:00","text":"部長，你不要閃避問題啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:09.718125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:10.940000+08:00","text":"你不要閃避問題好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:10.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:34.355000+08:00","text":"最後問一下，川普明年就職的時候，我們會派慶賀團過去嗎？會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:34.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:35.356000+08:00","text":"大概層級是什麼？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:35.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:40.697000+08:00","text":"因為以前好像都是立法院長，好像有一次部長也有陪同嘛！對，2016年。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:41.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:42.758000+08:00","text":"請問這一次目前的規劃是怎樣？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:42.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:44:56.742000+08:00","text":"我們目前就是有幾種，因為他現在才剛選完，我們有在籌備，所以我昨天包括也跟總統報告過，我們未來會來籌備這個慶賀團。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:44:59.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:07.491000+08:00","text":"反正美國不管是川普當選或賀錦麗當選，都會有一個美國總統當選，你不需要等到誰當選之後才來籌備，還是你會因人而異？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:07.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:08.412000+08:00","text":"川普當選，你大概會派誰？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:08.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:08.872000+08:00","text":"是立法院長嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:08.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:09.872000+08:00","text":"從選前到選後交接期間，我們都做好……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:08.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:10.154000+08:00","text":"是會派立法院長代表去嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:16.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:18.340000+08:00","text":"因為之前好像有一次是游院長嘛！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:18.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:20.922000+08:00","text":"所以這一次是韓國瑜院長會去嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:20.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:21.763000+08:00","text":"我們還在籌備當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:22.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:23.404000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:24.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:26.507000+08:00","text":"等確定了再跟委員報告，目前還沒有確定。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:26.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:30.591000+08:00","text":"沒有確定，因為是韓院長的關係，所以就比較難確定嗎？不是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:30.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:32.012000+08:00","text":"跟院長是誰無關就對了？無關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:32.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:32.172000+08:00","text":"無關，好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:32.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:35.814857+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員，部長請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:36.114857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:45:43.829143+08:00","text":"已登記質詢的委員，除了不在場外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:45:44.129143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:46:08.986286+08:00","text":"本日會議有陳永康委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於兩週內答復；委員口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":1025,"blocks":[["葉委員元之：（12時39分）主席好，麻煩請部長，謝謝。"],["主席：有請林部長。"],["林部長佳龍：委員好。"],["葉委員元之：部長好，今天外交及國防委員會排這個主題，當然就是因應美國選舉之後對臺灣甚至兩岸的影響，我們希望聽到的是最真實的聲音，而不是一直粉飾太平。剛剛部長講川普當選對臺的關係完全不會有影響，為什麼呢？"],["林部長佳龍：No，我沒有講完全不會有影響，我的報告怎麼會這樣寫？"],["葉委員元之：因為你剛剛講美國再次偉大，不能沒有臺灣，這是你講的嘛！就是說美國如果沒有臺灣的話，就不能再次偉大，有了臺灣才能再次偉大，所以我們的角色非常重要，但我不知道部長講這個話是根據什麼，我這邊也有看了一些外媒報導，紐約時報說川普重新回到白宮，開啟了一個非常不確定的時代，他們都稍微有點懷疑川普回去白宮之後，對於整個國際形勢有什麼影響，但是部長覺得沒什麼影響。然後前兩天紐約時報……"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，我沒有說沒什麼影響。"],["葉委員元之：你剛剛講了嘛！不能沒有臺灣嘛！然後第二個，紐約時報也提到了，其實中國大陸那邊非常歡迎川普重返白宮，兩個原因，第一個原因，因為拜登之前都是在中國大陸附近的鄰國結盟，讓他們感到很大圍堵的壓力。","第二個原因，這是紐約時報講的，川普對於保護臺灣其實沒有太大的興趣，而這一點中共是非常歡迎的，所以我覺得像這樣一個局勢，我們……"],["林部長佳龍：剛剛梁文傑副主委有談到不是這樣。"],["葉委員元之：沒關係，部長，請教一下，紐約時報這樣的分析您認同嗎？紐約時報這樣分析您認同嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：看你從哪個角度看啦！"],["葉委員元之：你認同嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，其實從更高的層次來講，就是他抗中的力道更強啊！這個對臺灣的安全，我們的重要性就更大了。"],["葉委員元之：所以你只看對我們心安的部分？我覺得大家都應該要料敵為重，如果大家都粉飾太平的話，其實我們就統統過太平日子，也不需要來這邊報告嘛！如果講的都是……"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，不能夠這樣。"],["葉委員元之：所以請問一下外交部，針對我剛剛講的一些外媒的分析，做了哪些因應的對策呢？"],["林部長佳龍：對策喔！"],["葉委員元之：對啊！"],["林部長佳龍：第一個就是我們當然密切關注他的主張跟人事布局，因為他重視的議題，我們怎麼樣去跟他取得交集，比如他很重視投資美國、創造就業，然後他會用關稅的手段做為外交談判，這個時候他比較採取……"],["葉委員元之：沒有，我是說針對可能會有風險的部分，有做出哪些對策？"],["林部長佳龍：風險？我覺得有風險也有機會啊！"],["葉委員元之：我在問風險嘛！機會就不用講了嘛！現在大家在監督，當然是希望你針對風險部分，所以完全沒有對策，好，謝謝。"],["林部長佳龍：有啦！你不要這樣，你不要硬拗啦！"],["葉委員元之：那是什麼？那是什麼？那為什麼講不出來？"],["林部長佳龍：委員，你要給我幾分鐘，我就講幾分鐘。"],["葉委員元之：我們質詢時間很有限啦！真的沒辦法從盤古開天、女媧補天開始講啦！我的問題都很清楚……"],["林部長佳龍：對於川普關切的議題，我們都要注意，都要因應。"],["葉委員元之：沒關係，沒關係，部長……什麼做法講不出來嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：我們跟他合作的空間……"],["葉委員元之：第二個，剛剛很多委員也都有問，因為蔡總統之前曾經有跟川普通過電話，當時說什麼透過川普的女婿，發揮很大的影響力，達到了不起的成就，現在為什麼忽然間我們又不想要跟川普通電話，是為什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：以前的我不清楚，因為我那時候不是外交部長……"],["葉委員元之：對，我知道，但為什麼現在就不想……"],["林部長佳龍：對我來講，我覺得臺美關係是要從整體來看，我沒有投入要去怎麼樣安排這些，而川普總統最後怎麼做，我們還是要密切觀察。"],["葉委員元之：沒有，那並不是川普打電話給蔡總統好不好？是臺灣的外交部去運作嘛！讓蔡總統去跟川普通電話嘛！我的問題是為什麼之前把這個通電話視為重大外交成就，但是現在卻不認為做這個事情很重要，為什麼？為什麼有這樣的轉變？"],["林部長佳龍：就像委員講的，你說他不可預測性，他上次用通電話，這次會用什麼，我們也是……"],["葉委員元之：沒有，通電話他要不要接是一回事，上次是……"],["林部長佳龍：因為第二次就是重複啦！"],["葉委員元之：部長，所以你認為不要重複做同一件事，是不是？你剛剛的意思是不是……"],["林部長佳龍：這是雙方面，我目前做外交部長，我沒有在做這件事情。"],["葉委員元之：好，但問題是之前是我們外交部運作去跟川普通電話，我現在問的是就外交部的立場，這次為什麼沒有覺得要去運作這個事情，為什麼？你剛剛講因為重複的事不想再做嘛！蔡總統做的事情，賴總統不需要再做，你的意思是這樣嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：不是。"],["葉委員元之：那你在繞圈圈……"],["林部長佳龍：我覺得臺美關係很多要做的事，而且可以做得好，我覺得在這個方面……"],["葉委員元之：當然很多事情都要做，通電話這個事情為什麼不做，我的問題這麼簡單，為什麼都沒辦法回答呢？"],["林部長佳龍：不是，我已經回答你了嘛！"],["葉委員元之：你沒有回答，你是說還可以做別的事情。"],["林部長佳龍：我覺得媒體要操作成我們好像有求於人，結果不成或怎麼樣，我不想讓這個問題變成疑美論、疑賴論……"],["葉委員元之：不是媒體啦！我現在不管媒體啦！我現在不管媒體啦！部長，你不要閃避問題啦！你不要閃避問題好不好？最後問一下，川普明年就職的時候，我們會派慶賀團過去嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：會。"],["葉委員元之：大概層級是什麼？因為以前好像都是立法院長，好像有一次部長也有陪同嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：對，2016年。"],["葉委員元之：請問這一次目前的規劃是怎樣？"],["林部長佳龍：我們目前就是有幾種，因為他現在才剛選完，我們有在籌備，所以我昨天包括也跟總統報告過，我們未來會來籌備這個慶賀團。"],["葉委員元之：反正美國不管是川普當選或賀錦麗當選，都會有一個美國總統當選，你不需要等到誰當選之後才來籌備，還是你會因人而異？川普當選，你大概會派誰？是立法院長嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：從選前到選後交接期間，我們都做好……"],["葉委員元之：是會派立法院長代表去嗎？因為之前好像有一次是游院長嘛！所以這一次是韓國瑜院長會去嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：我們還在籌備當中。"],["葉委員元之：有沒有可能？"],["林部長佳龍：等確定了再跟委員報告，目前還沒有確定。"],["葉委員元之：沒有確定，因為是韓院長的關係，所以就比較難確定嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：不是。"],["葉委員元之：跟院長是誰無關就對了？"],["林部長佳龍：無關。"],["葉委員元之：無關，好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝葉元之委員，部長請回。","已登記質詢的委員，除了不在場外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。本日會議有陳永康委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於兩週內答復；委員口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":364,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-11","speakers":["林憶君","王定宇","陳冠廷","黃仁","馬文君","林楚茵","徐巧芯","羅美玲","沈伯洋","洪申翰","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","賴士葆","李坤城","牛煦庭","羅智強","葉元之","陳永康"],"page_start":301,"meetingDate":["2024-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、大陸委員會報告「美國總統大選後，對於美中台三邊關係及未來國際局勢發展\n之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139501_00018"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}