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將管教學生的注意事項訂定得極為嚴格，嚴格到老師根本無能為力，也不想要去承擔之後被家長提告等相關的責任，所以他不會想要去檢查書包。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2024-11-07T12:52:14.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:52:36.929000+08:00","text":"簡單來說，本席認為要防止電子煙入侵校園最好的方式，就是你們要重新檢討這個注意事項，要去釐清電子煙、菸品跟毒品，如果學校有泛濫的狀況的話，你們要怎麼樣讓老師有權力可以去檢查學生所攜帶的物品？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2024-11-07T12:52:37.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:52:40.390000+08:00","text":"這才是根本解決之道，否則的話，我認為其他都是妄談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2024-11-07T12:52:40.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-07T12:52:40.410000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:52:40.910000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:52:42.910000+08:00","text":"謝謝翁曉玲委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-07T12:52:43.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-07T12:52:48.352857+08:00","text":"接下來有請鍾佳濱委員質詢，時間一樣4分鐘。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":1122,"blocks":[["翁委員曉玲：（12時48分）有請部長。"],["主席：有請鄭部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員好。"],["翁委員曉玲：部長好。今天針對電子煙入侵校園這件事情，其實這是很多委員和家長都非常關心的一件事情。我想請教部長，你認為吸菸的問題跟吸毒的嚴重程度是不是相當？"],["鄭部長英耀：當然，有很多研究確實都認為吸菸可以紓解壓力，當然，也有一些原因是來自於青少年的好奇心，但是毒品對身心的發展影響更明確和具體。"],["翁委員曉玲：是，可是事實上，已經有滿多的研究認為吸菸跟吸毒對身心、生理和健康的危害程度差不多、相當，因為毒品有分等級。本席現在要強調的是，如果現在校園裡面吸毒的學生要通報，那麼對於吸菸的學生，現在教育部有要求學校要建立一套通報制度嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：我們當然還是有一套通報機制，但是我們還是會根據學生的行為，看要怎麼樣去規勸和協助他。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，我這樣子講好了，你們現在到底有沒有掌握到有多少國中小學生，就是高中以下的學生吸電子煙？你們有實際的數據嗎？每個學校有沒有做統計分析，到底有多少學生吸電子煙？"],["彭署長富源：吸電子煙的部分，目前通報件數是38件。"],["翁委員曉玲：只有38件？"],["彭署長富源：吸紙菸的部分16件。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，那請問一下，為什麼只有38件？明明我看到報告裡面提到，吸電子煙的學生比例逐年提高，可是你們的通報卻只有38件。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我想委員也非常清楚，現在中小學的上課方式，其實他們的課程還滿緊湊的，所以比較多的反映、合理的推測，應該是在校外、放學以後或是例假日，因為同儕或是基於好奇心，如果它取得容易。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，謝謝部長您的說明，因為我剛剛聽前面也有委員在問。我現在強調的是在校園內，如果校園內有學生吸電子煙，到底學校有沒有可能發現？老師有沒有權力去檢查學生的書包？你認為老師有權力去檢查學生的書包嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：基本上，我們並不會做普查，我們會針對老師來自於他的生活經驗、累積的教學經驗……"],["翁委員曉玲：好，他今天有了生活經驗，他也發現這個學生確實有帶電子煙，可能也有吸電子煙，他可以去檢查他的書包嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：沒有，我們還是沒有。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，我告訴部長，依照你們所訂定的「教師輔導與管教學生辦法」其注意事項裡面的規定，對於校園安全檢查的進行方式，這裡面規定得很清楚，坦白說，學校真的要搜查學生的書包，要去瞭解這個學生有沒有吸電子煙、有沒有攜帶電子煙，這個程序非常的複雜，以本席看來，基本上不太可能做得到，其實這個問題和過去學生攜帶危險物品進入校園的道理一樣。現在教育部將管教學生的注意事項訂定得極為嚴格，嚴格到老師根本無能為力，也不想要去承擔之後被家長提告等相關的責任，所以他不會想要去檢查書包。","簡單來說，本席認為要防止電子煙入侵校園最好的方式，就是你們要重新檢討這個注意事項，要去釐清電子煙、菸品跟毒品，如果學校有泛濫的狀況的話，你們要怎麼樣讓老師有權力可以去檢查學生所攜帶的物品？這才是根本解決之道，否則的話，我認為其他都是妄談。好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝翁曉玲委員。","接下來有請鍾佳濱委員質詢，時間一樣4分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":74,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-7","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","張雅琳","陳秀寳","陳培瑜","吳沛憶","林倩綺","郭昱晴","羅智強","李坤城","沈伯洋","黃健豪","楊瓊瓔","麥玉珍","羅廷瑋","林月琴","范雲","翁曉玲","鍾佳濱","葉元之","莊瑞雄","林宜瑾","林倩綺","吳春城"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1139601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139601_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部、法務部、數位發展部、內政部警政署、財政部關務署列席\n就「電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139601_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}