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農業部也好往往用傲慢的態度來回應農民常常說可以轉做 可以休耕希望說農業部升級之後竹尾變成部長但面對我們提高公糧收購價格的訴求"},{"start":3439.377,"end":3440.358,"text":"謝謝張家俊委員的發言接下來我們請登記第8號葛如軍委員發言"},{"start":3485.529,"end":3510.598,"text":"主席各位同仁大家好農曆春節前發生市售豬肉片驗出含有乙型受體素西部特羅的食安事件由於西部特羅依法不得檢出造成民眾對食品安全產生了疑慮甚至引發恐慌"},{"start":3511.909,"end":3520.707,"text":"我認為政府對於捍衛食品安全應該採取更積極的做法依據食藥署統計"},{"start":3523.226,"end":3547.265,"text":"近3年來違反食安法第15條各款的食安事件逐年递增由110年的145件增加到112年的209件尤其是違反第5款也就是殘留農藥或動物用藥的案件從44件增加到63件成長了143%"},{"start":3552.429,"end":3578.88,"text":"然而當食安事件發生以後即便該項食品或食品添加物有登錄在追溯或者追蹤的系統但是一般的消費者卻難以透過掃碼查詢來知道登錄的資料去確定自己或家人是否曾經使用或者家中的冰箱仍留存有疑慮的食品"},{"start":3579.66,"end":3602.552,"text":"新聞報導2700盒我們阿宅自己透過開放資料看到1500筆溯源碼但是民眾知道的溯源碼是0因此我將透過修法要求中央主管機關在食安事件發生以後應該立即整合並且公佈追溯"},{"start":3603.072,"end":3617.649,"text":"追蹤系統的資料以供民眾查詢並且將市售產品於24小時之內下架3天以內回收以捍衛國人健康並且確保食品安全"},{"start":3618.67,"end":3640.5,"text":"在修法完成以前時安也不能等科技立委保博士的辦公室就在2月5號立即就已經上線的疑似瘦肉精豬肉批號檢查器不只已經上線我們也將從今天開始開放所有的鄉民共同修改協作"},{"start":3641.741,"end":3650.309,"text":"術衛部衛福部農業部我們的執政部會三個部會都做不好的我們鄉民來替大家把關謝謝"},{"start":5693.491,"end":5701.078,"text":"請祕書長報告出席人數現在開會今天是本院第11屆第1會期第1次會議"},{"start":5719.173,"end":5743.099,"text":"歡迎各位委員加入立法院這個大家庭這是一個新的國會的開始期許未來四年各黨團以及所有委員我們共同努力一起為國為民理性監督政府施政通過各項扶國立民的議案讓我們一起加油謝謝"},{"start":5750.097,"end":5775.406,"text":"報告委員會本次會議議事日程因程序委員會尚未組成依例由秘書長編寧草案送院會處理在確認議事日程之前先處理草野協商之協商結論請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":5778.238,"end":5779.241,"text":"議法院黨團協商結論 時間113年2月5日"},{"start":5782.423,"end":5802.349,"text":"星期一下午30地點紅樓302會議室決定事項一各黨團同意定於2月20日星期二舉行第11屆第1會期第1次會議開議日2月20日星期二邀請行政院院長率同各部會所長列席進行施政方針及施政報告並備質詢報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派三人民進黨黨團推派三人臺灣民眾黨黨團推派一人進行"},{"start":5812.053,"end":5825.089,"text":"質詢順序依台灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行有關質詢期間之順序及人數均依例授權依次處辦理當日上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間當次會議不處理臨時提案"},{"start":5829.758,"end":5857.852,"text":"本會期自2月23日星期五起每週五及次週二視為一次院會國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間週二下午5時至6時處理臨時提案諮詢期間週二下午1時50分至2時30分處理臨時提案三本第一會期程序委員會依政黨比例由國民黨黨團推派9人"},{"start":5858.393,"end":5877.302,"text":"民進黨黨團推派9人臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1人代表組成名單請於2月29日新吉市中午12時前送至議事處會診上述名單送交議事處後及不予更換第11屆各政黨委員一場席位區域"},{"start":5879.124,"end":5900.151,"text":"第11屆各政黨委員一場席位區域發婚表如附圖 主持人韓國瑜將啟程協商代表 傅坤吉 洪孟凱 林思明 柯建銘 吳世堯 莊烈雄 黃國昌 黃珊珊 吳春城 宣讀完畢請問院會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有無異議"},{"start":5903.871,"end":5929.642,"text":"無異我們通過113年2月5日朝野黨團協商結論經決定如下一 各黨團同意於2月20號星期二舉行第11屆第1會期第1次會議開議日2月20號星期二邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政方針及施政報告並備質詢"},{"start":5932.834,"end":5940.898,"text":"報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派3人民進黨黨團推派3人臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1人進行質詢順序依序為臺灣民眾黨黨團民進黨黨團國民黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行有關質詢期間"},{"start":5963.423,"end":5983.772,"text":"之順序及人數均依列授權議事處辦理當日上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間當次會議不處理臨時提案二本會期至2月23日星期五起每週五及次週二視為一次院會"},{"start":5985.92,"end":6013.746,"text":"國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間週二下午5時至6時處理臨時提案執行期間週二下午1時50分至2時30分處理臨時提案3.本地會期程序人會依政黨比例由國民黨黨團推派9人"},{"start":6015.407,"end":6043.303,"text":"民進黨黨團推派9人臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1人代表組成名單請於2月29日星期四週五12時前送至議事處會診上述名單送交議事處後即不予更換第11屆各政黨委員會議場席位區劃分表如附圖"},{"start":6045.433,"end":6069.668,"text":"現在進行確認議程報告院會現有黨團以本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議現在進行處理並截止收案現在進行報告事項部分因無黨團提出異議"},{"start":6071.3,"end":6077.364,"text":"本次會議報告事項及質詢事項就照原編寧議程草案通過該院會報告現在處理臺灣民眾黨黨團爭略討論事項提議共一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容"},{"start":6095.629,"end":6122.437,"text":"委員 臺灣民眾黨黨團 針對第11屆第1會期第1次會議．事傳討論事項 您請便跟提案增列效表一案 如下列表 是否有當進行公決 宣讀完畢請問院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團提出之異議 有無異議沒有無異議本提議照案通過"},{"start":6126.634,"end":6131.939,"text":"現在就列入本次會議議事日程討論事項列入台灣民眾黨黨團提議第4頁這邊"},{"start":6148.143,"end":6150.985,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6170.416,"end":6176.081,"text":"現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀本月第11屆院長副院長選舉會議意思錄"},{"start":6181.115,"end":6188.341,"text":"宣讀立法院第11屆院長 副院長選舉會議議事錄時間 中華民國113年2月1日上午10時30分至下午20時31分至午10時15分地點 本院議場 出席委員 黃委員等113人 主席"},{"start":6201.112,"end":6216.148,"text":"科委員建民選舉事項一選舉別院院長選舉結果因得票委員均未達出席投票委員人數過半40票數依規定就得票較多之首2名委員韓國瑜 游錫均重新投票"},{"start":6216.949,"end":6234.128,"text":"第二次選舉結果 韓委員國宜得票54票為比較多數 當選為本院院長 選舉本院副院長選舉結果 因得票委員金衛達出席 投票委員連數過半數字票數依規定"},{"start":6235.009,"end":6246.252,"text":"就得票較多是首2名委員：將啟臣蔡其昌重新投票：丟出選舉結果：將委員啟臣得票54票：為比較多數當選為本院副院長：宣讀完畢"},{"start":6255.56,"end":6267.676,"text":"報告約會針對第11屆院長副院長選舉會議議事錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處作以下之宣告第11屆院長副院長選舉會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案"},{"start":6272.95,"end":6274.531,"text":"請問院會有無異議無異議通過繼續沒有異議我們下一項繼續"},{"start":6299.155,"end":6299.735,"text":"請問院會有無異議?無異議 暫通過 下一案"},{"start":6320.55,"end":6324.333,"text":"請問院會有異議沒有沒有異議我們照案通過下一案"},{"start":6338.407,"end":6356.374,"text":"第5案 本院委員邱毅英等25日離去來自防治法第16台台維修線草案侵水案 另釋出意見 並請院會加入社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議沒有沒有異議 我們狀案通過下一案"},{"start":6357.233,"end":6379.388,"text":"第6案 本院委員王洪維等19人離聚﹐不在即同票房草案請水案﹐依系處意見﹐您請院會將內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議﹐沒有異議﹐我們照案通過下一案第7案 本院委員王洪維等18人離聚﹐運算法第83條條維修正常﹐請水案﹐依系處意見﹐您請院會將財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議﹐"},{"start":6386.348,"end":6406.162,"text":"沒有異議：我們照案通過下一案第8案委員委員王洪維等施政委員理據和子反應器設施管治法第6條臺灣修正草案及水案依次促進理情或交交易及文化委員或審查宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議沒有異議：我們照案通過下一案"},{"start":6406.84,"end":6434.252,"text":"第92委員﹐台灣民眾黨黨團理據﹐立法院職權行使法﹐不犯條維修擅長﹐請水恩﹐依視處意見﹐你請後交司法及法制委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢第12委員﹐台灣民眾黨黨團理據﹐貪污治罪條例﹐不犯條維修擅長﹐請水恩﹐依視處意見﹐你請後交司法及法制委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6436.077,"end":6459.364,"text":"請問院會有無異議﹖沒有異議﹖我們照案通過下一案第11案委員臺灣民眾黨黨團理局立法委員互選院長副院長辦法第一條及第一條之一條維修正常案請選一案議事處理監理請院會交司法及法律委員會審查宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議﹖沒有異議﹖我們照案通過下一案"},{"start":6459.926,"end":6462.248,"text":"請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們召喚通過下一案"},{"start":6477.657,"end":6479.498,"text":"請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們照案通過下一案"},{"start":6504.076,"end":6516.376,"text":"第14案 行政院行行審議中華民國臺灣政府與聖路西奧政府刑事司法互助條約案﹐一事俱見﹐禮勤院會將外交及國防司法及法治兩委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6518.108,"end":6543.872,"text":"請問院會有無異議﹖沒有沒有異議﹖我們照案通過下一案第15案委員經費集合委員會函為本128屆經費集合委員會任期屆滿自檢送工作報告請推派下屆委員議事處理屆你請院會交黨團協商會議處理宣傳筆請問院會有無異議﹖沒有沒有異議﹖我們照案通過下一案"},{"start":6544.5,"end":6563.303,"text":"第16案 本院人事處函奏 立法院第11屆 第1會期各委員會 召集委員選舉時間 地點表時間 113年2月29日星期四 上午9時至12時 地點如下內建委員會 紅樓202會議室 外交及國防委員會 紅樓301會議室經濟委員會 紅樓101會議室 財政委員會 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院長您剛講得非常好112年的8月就偵查終結所以我才剛開始問嘛這些被害人向檢調求助的時間點是什麼時候"},{"start":11961.84,"end":11978.24,"text":"院長不知道沒關係所以我請教部長如果連部長都不知道我在國會的殿堂負責任的跟大家講他們開始報案的時候是什麼時候到2023年8月的時候才貞節起訴院長您不覺得遲延太久了嗎"},{"start":11979.686,"end":12006.011,"text":"這個偵查的過程這個個案我不是很了解但是我想我們檢調單位都是依法在偵辦我們尊重這個檢察官的這個質詢好沒有關係我們接下來是不是真的要好好做我們具體的來看我現在講的齁都是行政院的權責司法院有問題我一定批評司法院我不會把司法院的鍋甩給行政院但來"},{"start":12009.633,"end":12037.956,"text":"我們台灣高檢署去年花了1.18億買M化車部長知不知道買M化車要做什麼他們在辦案過程有需要利用這種科技的設備來看他的位置所在所以M化車是一個虛擬的基地台嘛對吧他對於偵辦詐騙案件重不重要重要對於偵辦組織犯罪重不重要重要也重要但部長"},{"start":12039.448,"end":12062.909,"text":"M化車收集的證據有證據能力嗎他只是一個顯示位置的所在那當然對於辦案人員他有很大的幫助有證據能力嗎那就看他後來所採取的一個偵查作為所能夠收取到的證物是不是在法庭上可以來運用"},{"start":12065.862,"end":12084.073,"text":"部長我直接跟您報告我相信您應該很清楚最高法院最高法院在110年台上4549號刑事判決就是2022年2022年不是2023年2022年最高法院就已經形成了什麼法律見解"},{"start":12085.51,"end":12110.341,"text":"當我們的最高法院說M化車所採集的資訊沒有證據能力的時候因為他沒有法律授權的基礎我判決的字號都寫在上面部長我絕對不會騙你的你有什麼樣的意見你要給進一步的補充那我就好奇囉當M化車所採集的證據依照我們最高法院的判決沒有法律授權的基礎"},{"start":12111.786,"end":12120.085,"text":"沒有證據能力我們繼續花錢買M化車所謂回來跟委員說明利用科技的設備來"},{"start":12121.397,"end":12127.438,"text":"剛剛你所講的至於證據能力夠不夠這句話容我修正一下證據能力只有有無的問題沒有夠不夠的問題證據能力是有還是沒有"},{"start":12143.982,"end":12166.046,"text":"不是證明力 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所以關鍵的問題是什麼關鍵的問題是"},{"start":12171.837,"end":12193.067,"text":"不是繼續買M化車而是讓M化車所收集的證據有證據能力這樣才有助於犯罪的偵查訴追以及後面的審判我為什麼秀這個最高法院的判決給院長看是因為這個最高法院的判決出來了以後結果下期審法院人就放了"},{"start":12193.951,"end":12194.071,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":12214.974,"end":12240.944,"text":"因為M化車所收集的證據沒有證據能力結果這些人法院無罪釋放了耶院長你可以接受這個結果嗎我想在當時的過程我不清楚但是利用M化車這樣的一個科技在加強剛才講的進一步去查證是很重要的院長你好真的沒有必要複數講那句話啦我剛剛問題是說這些人就因為這樣被放走了院長你可以接受嗎"},{"start":12242.518,"end":12245.801,"text":"請問行政院偵查科技法的法案什麼時候提到立法院"},{"start":12268.766,"end":12294.502,"text":"科技偵查法現在也在我們研議的過程當中還在繼續研議嘛人都已經因為這個樣子被無作放走了院長也沒辦法接受部長也沒辦法接受全體國人都沒辦法接受也知道重點在什麼在法院說得非常好啊所以我才請教嘛所以我才請教嘛不管你是要修德國像德國一樣修刑事訴訟法"},{"start":12296.076,"end":12310.523,"text":"這種科技偵查的手段在德國是規範在行事訴訟法當中我相信部長非常清楚還是向政府的政策要去訂科技偵查法立法的形式人民不關心人民關心的事情是什麼"},{"start":12311.583,"end":12335.189,"text":"這些詐騙份子這些黑幫是不是可以被繩之以法這才是人民關心的問題所以我一開始就跟院長講我在乎的不是只有花這1.18億去買個M化車M化車當然對警察對檢察官有幫助嘛要不然台灣高檢署怎麼會編預算去買M化車一定有幫助嘛但我們作為掌握權力的人"},{"start":12336.984,"end":12358.164,"text":"我們需要知道我們需要認識的不是有幫助三個字而已我們需要知道的是什麼這如果是偵查詐騙這如果是打擊犯罪組織我們必要的手段但收集來的證據卻沒有證據能力導致這些作奸犯科的人現在還在外面趴趴照"},{"start":12359.589,"end":12383.745,"text":"現在還在外面趴趴照我們該做的事情是什麼就趕快賦予他法源的基礎嘛院長你同不同意我同意您同意但結果相關的法案目前還在行政院研議當中請問還要研議多久我想我們會盡快的來繼續盡快嘛好我們拭目以待啊今天院長在立法院所做的宣示啊全國人民啊都聽到了好來"},{"start":12385.236,"end":12386.258,"text":"接下來 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什麼時候要追究"},{"start":12391.414,"end":12420.533,"text":"是請對於這個科技偵查法我們因為當時在審議的過程當中確實有不同的意見但是我想有一些事情可能到送到大院來的時候也需要大院的大力支持我剛說過了行政院送法案來立法院不認真審沒有通過認為不合理的沒有提對案那是立法委員的責任那是立法委員的代質我們全體國人譴責立委不認真立法"},{"start":12422.387,"end":12447.673,"text":"當行政院沒有送法案來的時候院長恕我直言那就是行政院的責任我們加緊的努力好重放詐騙洗錢犯的責任何時追究過去這一年多啊全體國人看的是目瞪口呆啊在我國三大幫詐欺集團洗錢的首腦包括郭澤民、小明、鍾馨樺"},{"start":12449.608,"end":12473.68,"text":"吳承文三大幫詐欺集團的洗錢犯每個洗錢的金額都超過上百億結果在我國的刑事司法制度神奇的是什麼神奇的是警隊要抓人的時候都有消息先跑了而這三大洗錢犯他們還有共通的特徵他們都設招待所而且他們設的招待所"},{"start":12475.063,"end":12496.059,"text":"都有高階的警官也有檢察官去結果人卻跑了重放三大洗錢犯重放三大洗錢犯在執行以前人先跑那顯然是有內鬼嘛來部長這三個案子目前追查的進度如何?就在檢察官的偵查當中"},{"start":12497.586,"end":12520.664,"text":"尊重檢察官的偵查尊重檢察官的偵查我幫很多被害人反映一下他們的心聲當他們看到的事不僅僅是警察連檢察官都出入這些招待所部長你應該很清楚我剛所講的這三大洗錢犯郭哲銘"},{"start":12522.293,"end":12539.327,"text":"吳承文瑞森銀樓有沒有檢察官去過有沒有我們有查過了有嘛那請問去的檢察官受到什麼懲處我們送監察院就法務部請問給的這個檢察官什麼懲處什麼時候送監察院的請問兩個問題請部長慢慢依序"},{"start":12565.96,"end":12584.928,"text":"謝謝黃委員國昌的質詢也謝謝陳院長現在我們上午的質詢到此為止本次會議依協商結論不處理臨時提案下午2點30分繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢現在休息"},{"start":21613.923,"end":21642.837,"text":"報告院會現在繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢接下來請吳委員施要請謝謝院長有請陳建仁院長我今天聚焦在食安相關的部會就請自動的上備訓台謝謝吳委員恭喜連任"},{"start":21644.243,"end":21661.159,"text":"謝謝當然哥謝謝院長新屆期也是新會期喔立法委員是一票一票人民選出來的是要非常珍惜北投天母的選民給我再次連任的機會但是我們也希望新的立法院一場就是一場"},{"start":21661.994,"end":21682.544,"text":"一場不是秀場 伍思瑤會持續督促我自己要求我自己實事求是專業問政同樣的雖然您是看守內閣但是還是要為所當為該做的事情就勇敢去做我們在這裡一起祈勉我也祈勉我們內閣所有的團隊行政立法聯手我們強強聯手服國立民"},{"start":21686.072,"end":21714.296,"text":"那今天站在這裡喔如果不是昨天朝野協商韓院長非常辛苦喔努力的調和頂賴但如果不是民眾黨的黨鞭那非常帥氣的甩頭走人如果不是民眾黨刻意在昨天讓協商破局今天right now right here我們已經在進行食安報告了"},{"start":21715.031,"end":21730.083,"text":"無論如何這是非常可惜的事情我們沒有辦法第一時間讓國人關心的食安問題即刻的來直球對決讓真相說話我對於在野黨這樣的作為我還是高度的表達遺憾"},{"start":21731.82,"end":21752.648,"text":"但是今天按照議程立法院就是一個按部就班的地方按照議程安排施政總質詢雖然沒有辦法優先讓施安專報上路但是就立法委員的職責我們依舊可以利用施政總質詢的珍貴機會就施安議題來提出詢答"},{"start":21755.029,"end":21777.964,"text":"所以我今天在這裡我希望朝野的立委是真心關心食安今天也安排了各黨派的委員來質詢我也希望吳思瑤不是唯一一個站在這裡關心食安的立法委員好下一頁食安就是心安你以食為天"},{"start":21779.315,"end":21803.963,"text":"所以人民對於食安的議題零容忍行政部門當然關乎的stakeholders政府的公信力產業的利益以及消費者的權益no one is outsider人人都是局內人所以說我想先讓您回答一個問題喔在野黨說你們很想閃避你們根本不想來報告食安專報是這樣嗎"},{"start":21806.024,"end":21807.605,"text":"在這裡我利用一點點小小的時間跟我們韓院長來報告"},{"start":21834.266,"end":21859.943,"text":"從國民黨的臨時會之亂他們疏忽了有違憲之餘再到這兩天民眾黨的加開院會之亂院長真的很難為您辛苦了但是在這個過程當中我們看到民主進步黨促成時安專報努力到最後一分鐘昨天韓院長主持的第二次協商破局了非常可惜否則今天就是時安專報在這裡"},{"start":21861.564,"end":21886.707,"text":"但是呢因為在野黨民眾黨提出來的他們要求用加掛加開院會的方式所以今天早上在院長主持的院會裡頭他們提案列入討論事項民進黨都支持然後依程序要記覆二讀記覆二讀之後就是要交付協商然後呢就面臨有一個月的協商空窗冷凍期"},{"start":21887.918,"end":21915.063,"text":"民主進步黨促成時安專報努力到最後一分鐘也就是今天上午正式的在院會當中對韓院長提出一個正式的要求跟提案請韓院長能夠儘速召開朝野協商我們希望最快最快就是週五2月23號讓時安專報可以上路所以在這裡也懇請韓院長就剩下短短的幾天時間"},{"start":21916.823,"end":21940.417,"text":"懇請您盡速的召開協商我也期待您主持的第三次協商不會再破局我們希望讓國人關心的食安報告週五能夠在這裡大家一起來讓真相水落石出這也是我對於韓院長的請求喔好下一頁這一次我先聚焦於西布特羅事件有幾個關鍵數字"},{"start":21942.478,"end":21953.088,"text":"第一個關鍵數字就是788比1我收集的是到2月16號這個788和0減出是不是數字又往上攀升了對現在是877件877件800來"},{"start":21960.531,"end":21983.087,"text":"877件所以877件零檢出這是中央跟地方政府民間跟私人公司的這個檢驗單位共同檢測就是877件零檢出所以877比1那到底臺中市政府這一盒天選之肉哪裡來啊院長"},{"start":21985.608,"end":22011.533,"text":"確實是像委員所講的一樣實際上在這一次的西部特樓的檢驗當中我們是發現除了臺中市所檢驗的這一個弱的樣本以外沒有一個地方檢出這一個是陽性那換句話說從豬隻的飼養、屠宰、分割、分切到這個市場這一個所有的供應鏈通通沒有檢出西部特樓"},{"start":22012.153,"end":22036.789,"text":"那這西部特樓只有在單一的實驗室單一的樣本檢驗出來所以這個是實在是值得台中市政府完全的來給所有的人民做一個交代為什麼在這一個天選之後在這個地方會檢驗出來那就我們所了解西部特樓我們有請財政部去查所有西部特樓進駐的情況"},{"start":22042.073,"end":22045.595,"text":"第2個關鍵數字就是剛剛講肉現在講這個西部特羅這一個化學用藥他不是動物用藥喔他是化學用藥他只提供實驗室"},{"start":22065.748,"end":22092.018,"text":"它不能夠在台灣製造販售也不能夠去使用唯獨在實驗室因為它是標準品所以西部特羅化學用藥兩年只進口全台灣只進口789毫克您是科學家789毫克到底是怎麼樣的一個概念一CC的水就是一克所以很少很少"},{"start":22093.078,"end":22111.009,"text":"所以說兩年來這個關鍵字很重要只進口了789毫克而且是提供給24家檢驗室包括12家地方政府的衛生局12家市民間的檢測單位那所以我們可以很清楚的從這個關鍵數字知道"},{"start":22113.763,"end":22114.264,"text":"好,這是第二個關鍵數字,好,下一個"},{"start":22132.882,"end":22159.934,"text":"臺商安心團事件無論如何讓真相大白我們幾乎到目前為止可以來推測也幾乎可以來確信啦它就是沒有集體它就是沒有這個系統性它不是系統性的事件而是單一簡體的個案這已經非常清楚但是我們的下一個步驟是什麼Step 2就是我們無論如何努力再努力讓它"},{"start":22162.377,"end":22174.454,"text":"從通案聚焦在非通案是個案但是下一步就是讓它不能成為懸案我們一定要讓它結案結案的部分我知道我們食安辦也召開了專家會議要進行"},{"start":22176.357,"end":22204.504,"text":"院長可不可以在這裡告訴我們大家都很關心喔禮拜五可能順利的話也有專案報告在這裡委員都會問你們有信心多久可以讓他結案我們在2月21號的時候會召開專家委員會那專家委員會分成兩組一組呢就是要去了解這個豬隻的飼養跟豬隻的屠宰的部分那第二個部分呢就是樣品的採檢還有樣品的檢驗的這個步驟的部分"},{"start":22204.684,"end":22204.984,"text":"施政部長"},{"start":22219.801,"end":22222.324,"text":"實際上這是蠻單純的個案就像我們剛才講的這是單一簡體的個案而且只有在一個實驗室這個實驗室剛好有西部特洪就是這樣"},{"start":22236.559,"end":22257.599,"text":"所以院長您的說法我們也期待我們就完全讓專業說話讓這些專業人士去研判不要有政治力不要有任何的操弄我們非常期待兩週三月初就能夠獲得一個真相大白的結案而不是繼續成為懸案我們繼續努力好下一頁"},{"start":22258.36,"end":22286.443,"text":"那在這個個案當中我又發現了一個關鍵數字就是我看見台糖居然可以很快速的去全部的溯源精準溯源同批生產的安心豬有2730包重達819公斤而快速的下架回收是274包我要把這個關鍵數字特別秀出來是我要肯定台糖啊"},{"start":22287.236,"end":22308.632,"text":"如果不是我們能夠有十安五環做到精準溯源是沒有辦法連2730到個位數那個幾包肉都算得清清楚楚所以還好臺商因為是國營事業也還好他有足夠的專業有足夠的能力也有足夠的財力不計成本檢驗再檢驗"},{"start":22310.558,"end":22319.808,"text":"但是正因為剛好是發生在國營事業如果這樣一個檢測單一事件是發生在任何一個民間的企業哇"},{"start":22321.101,"end":22324.122,"text":"為什麼可以做到精準溯源因為蔡政府上台之後我們推出了食安五環"},{"start":22351.55,"end":22376.088,"text":"跨部會從前端的上游管控、源頭控管、重建生產管理、加強查緝、加重遏止黑心廠商的責任到全民監督食安跨多少部會啊?農業部、衛福部、經濟部、環境部、教育部、法務部、內政部、財政部也有"},{"start":22377.366,"end":22399.764,"text":"所以這是一個前所未有我們最高規格的要求十案五環下一頁也因為十案五環的帶動我作為立法委員剛好就是這8年我看見了我們建組織修法案增預算我們新設了毒物管理機構現在是環境部的化學物質管理署有一個新的專業機構修法案我們修了兩個法"},{"start":22400.845,"end":22416.56,"text":"最重要當然是食品安全衛生管理法我們另外制定了農田水利法有機農業促進法還有本席提案也非常關切的食農教育法現在還有植物診療施法的草案正在演繹中第三增預算我去調閱了數字我們2016年從馬英九任內"},{"start":22421.244,"end":22446.561,"text":"接到政權的時候每一年的食安預算是6.83億到今年2024年的預算我們的食安總投入的國家預算是16.3是馬英九時期的食安預算的2.3倍這當中還包括我們的前瞻基礎建設裡頭的食安預算我們8年來蔡政府投入了92.5億"},{"start":22449.392,"end":22465.018,"text":"預算成長了2.3倍正因為我們做了這麼多今天在野黨要求的食安專報要來檢視8年的成效我們就好好來檢視我們8年有沒有做得更好做得好我們肯定做不好當然要改進下一頁"},{"start":22466.547,"end":22496.207,"text":"因為有食安五環因為有我們的努力這個是我們食安辦整理出來的重大食安事件當中的系統性食安事件我也匯總出來如果我有做錯的部分您也可以糾正馬政府時期的大型的系統性食安事件由毒奶粉事件塑化劑事件毒澱粉還有2013年2014年的黑心油事件大家記憶猶新到2015年的農藥DDT事件七大件"},{"start":22497.007,"end":22513.704,"text":"民進黨執政我們還是要做得更好有兩件換言之7比2我們希望零案件零容忍但是這是一個事實不容來抹滅大家的努力下一頁再下一頁"},{"start":22514.639,"end":22536.815,"text":"我們來看資訊公開透明從豬肉儀錶板到校園的豬肉儀錶板是吳思堯催生的到現在我們擔心核食的進口在海水漁獲跟食品也建置了河安會的核食服食儀錶板這都是前所未有的我們到最後一頁我要提醒您"},{"start":22538.406,"end":22549.459,"text":"實安就是心安讓國人安心除了我們在座的流向調查專家調查跟加強檢測對於地方政府幫他們忙協助他們建構更好的檢測"},{"start":22566.62,"end":22566.981,"text":"副委員坤祺"},{"start":22618.701,"end":22645.196,"text":"主席請院長請陳院長必詢副總召恭喜您當選這個立委院長本席常常在思考一個問題就您在衛生署服務的那段期間"},{"start":22647.455,"end":22674.992,"text":"在我的認知裡面陳建仁署長是非常溫和的一位儒雅的紳士我現在也是希望是啊然後呢本身出身是高雄縣的白派是一個國民黨在高雄縣最大的一個派系先祖也當過這個"},{"start":22677.625,"end":22706.603,"text":"高雄縣非常重要的職務所以在2016年本席聽到女擔任蔡英文總統的搭檔競選候選人當時我非常的驚訝因為國民黨培養的優秀的人才在2016年跟蔡總統一起來搭檔對當時的選情固然是國民黨有分裂"},{"start":22707.472,"end":22735.291,"text":"但是呢我想 院長當時啊你為蔡總統加分非常的多因為你當時整理的社會形象是讓大家相信國家社會之所以存在就是相信的力量這個社會人民要相信國家"},{"start":22736.977,"end":22765.876,"text":"要相信這個社會組織要相信政府才能夠讓這個國家正常的運作而您所代表的形象不只為蔡總統各位當時滿目創意的民進黨提升了大幅的形象但是這麼多年來您四年的副總統任內"},{"start":22769.125,"end":22795.792,"text":"上稱 非常的溫和形象也很中肯但是在一年多前你突然來接任了行政院的院長這一年當中蠻多事情發生我們細細回想一下你所代表一個溫和"},{"start":22797.62,"end":22826.164,"text":"社會相信的力量更擔任過中華民國的副總統來接任行政院的院長520馬上就到了您可能是看守的院長也可能不會繼續來連任但是如果你是今天從副總統退下來我相信在人生的歷史上"},{"start":22827.298,"end":22854.619,"text":"你是為大家所肯定的但是你來擔任行政院長這一年多的時間幫民進黨粉飾太平本席在這裡跟你一起來檢討您擔任院長之後我們看一下在去年大選前尤其在11月那個時候各黨在競爭"},{"start":22856.96,"end":22886.592,"text":"民進黨沒有穩操勝券各有60%的民意要下架民進黨當時您擔任革魁宣布在11月3號宣布今年3月1號到3月1號開始台灣可以組團前往大陸對於啊九漢逢甘霖的我們的"},{"start":22887.37,"end":22902.319,"text":"與新服務業者是多麼的翹楚期盼您的德政當你宣布了以後臺灣的觀光界服務業畢竟禮尚往來對外也不但的在說臺灣如果放了我們的團客過去對外也會考慮團客過來來去之間"},{"start":22918.196,"end":22944.08,"text":"對於臺灣的百工百業不是只有飯店餐廳遊覽車對於所有零售百貨都有莫大的注意您到底是不是國王的新衣還是唐衣的毒藥你宣布了以後確實感動人心"},{"start":22945.846,"end":22975.36,"text":"為民進黨鞏固了不少的選票11月3號宣布但是到今年2月7號就喊停理由是會影響我們的國家會損及國家利益用一個狗皮刀招的理由這不是狗皮刀招的理由不是觀光發展條例影響損及國家利益"},{"start":22976.704,"end":23005.735,"text":"我不曉得觀光屬什麼時候變成國安單位還是說民進黨政府已經把向來已經把所有的部會已經成為東廠的一部分所以我們很好奇為什麼一個宗教虔誠的信仰者未來可能是一個傳道者"},{"start":23006.918,"end":23034.834,"text":"卻在此時此刻成為一個選舉的工具一個幫兇從11月3號到2月7號現在宣布6月1號以後台灣團客不能過去會損及國家利益那請問3月1號到5月31號去大陸又不會損及國家利益6月1號以後"},{"start":23037.288,"end":23051.355,"text":"本席請教請你簡單回答我們不需要聽其他的理由因為院長這兩個時間點都是你宣布的本席只要請教你"},{"start":23054.057,"end":23068.336,"text":"2月7號喊停是您的意思還是賴清德副總統的意思這個很明白就是去年8月24號我們宣布的時候就是希望因為原來是按照COVID-19的關係"},{"start":23070.999,"end":23095.084,"text":"這一個不能組團到大陸去後來8月24號解禁以後我們就開始在安排那個時候雙方都有一個默契希望雙方都能夠有所組團來觀光實際上這在國際的慣例就是要互相能夠有所交流我們也深切的期盼選完以後確實我們也讓我們的"},{"start":23097.445,"end":23097.726,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":23108.506,"end":23126.93,"text":"主團來到台灣的情況而且我們會發現有M503的這個航道的改變再加上W123的情況所以這個對於國家的另外我想強調一下就是國家利益的部分如果沒有陸團來到台灣就如同你講的會損失800億本席只是請問你一個問題2月7號"},{"start":23140.287,"end":23164.239,"text":"以貿然中斷是您的意思還是賴清德副總統的意思你只要回答我這個問題請不要講其他的事過程我都很清楚你只要回答是你的意思還是賴清德副總統的意思這麼簡單這是整個行政團隊討論出來的那就是你的意思所以現在到了天主面前"},{"start":23167.349,"end":23188.774,"text":"我們陳建仁院長的信用保鮮期3個月11月3號到2月7號您的信用保鮮期是3個月不是這樣的接著下來我可以回答嗎本席要請教你接著下來所有這些公關業者全面的接團"},{"start":23191.661,"end":23193.441,"text":"我可以回答嗎"},{"start":23216.021,"end":23244.103,"text":"在這一段期間如果已經招募組團的我們還是容許他從3月1號開始那陸續的出團如果招了8月9月的暑假團忘記的那怎麼辦呢在這樣的一個過程當中我想跟委員做報告如果在這一段期間我們得到了中國的善意的回應那這個時候我們暫停的這樣的一個規劃的計畫是可以提前開放的"},{"start":23246.896,"end":23272.252,"text":"所以現在兩個問題第一個問題本席要你積極去準備如果8月9月這是因為你的宣布而李訓社去組團現在又被你禁止所造成的損失行政院要不要負責"},{"start":23273.274,"end":23301.739,"text":"在現在我們所了解的這個組團已經組團的情況在5月31號以前都會有負擔所以5月31號你還是不負責就對了但是這一個最重要的一個情況就是我剛才講的對方有沒有善意的回應目前為止你現在完全不負責好 第二個剛剛你所提到對岸有善意對岸有善意願意"},{"start":23303.289,"end":23331.014,"text":"開放團客來台灣我們這邊也會相對應配合是嗎當然是但是本席還是要強調院長應該負起政府因人民相信政府造成的損失政府應該負責接下來第一個你說你的信用誠信度不是只有3個月保險期好我們再來看"},{"start":23332.318,"end":23356.016,"text":"接下來來我們看一下這個萊豬啊怎麼進入台灣我們看一下過去民進黨可歌可泣的一個過程萊豬沒有進入台灣我們看一下賴慶德先生我們播放一下好不好為什麼沒有聲音呢如果說會有當總統"},{"start":23357.301,"end":23359.342,"text":"高雄市政府我們跟其他縣市那我們大家都是反對"},{"start":23384.367,"end":23386.53,"text":"反對進口美國牛肉"},{"start":23402.33,"end":23416.53,"text":"我們希望第三次的整個美牛資訊會議希望是公開而且是全程錄音錄影讓台灣人民知道你們在裡面玩什麼under table"},{"start":23417.638,"end":23439.465,"text":"馬政府不應該再強行要倒行逆之為了個人的政治籌碼或是過去的一個政治交易來忽略掉國內的健康行政院卻又沒有研究當作沒有問題然後來替收入金的肉品背書我們沒有辦法接受這樣的政府這樣的政府有一點像詐騙集團"},{"start":23442.399,"end":23446.183,"text":"滿意方針及施政報告：第11屆第1會期第1次會議"},{"start":23462.901,"end":23469.305,"text":"一個政治的內線交易都出來了 因為是民進黨我們絕對反對社會主義 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那個我們為客家其實爭取了不少的那個資源那當然民進黨政府時代包括客家廣播電台客家電視台等等的我們都很努力那也跟以前的國民黨時代的確我們都做了很多事情那再來就是說我們的那個黃埔新村現在要進駐我們客家文創中心那也謝謝主委當時我辦會刊主委也協助所以黃埔新村後續我們的客家文化"},{"start":28742.689,"end":28764.061,"text":"聚點中心會陸續再把它做得更好但是還有幾個問題需要再努力的就是說我們111年已經提過課教語言發展法這個也要跟坐在上面的院長建議一下因為當時院長曾經說母語只能在家學"},{"start":28765.049,"end":28788.21,"text":"那我是認為在學校學也非常的重要尤其是國家語言發展法列入我們客家文化重點發展區等等的相關的客家的議題所以這個部分我會主張就是客核會應該也要協助我們的在學校的教書教學等等的一些地方的語言可以在學校多加強這部分應該是沒問題吧"},{"start":28789.162,"end":28790.823,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":28813.82,"end":28840.125,"text":"我是跟院長 院長不能讓我們質詢 但是跟院長建議這個聲音也讓院長聽到那再來就是我們的客家基本法現在的都會客家 其實客森文化重點發展區重點在原鄉客家那在都會客家是不是我們會再提修客家基本法讓都市裡面客家人口多的也能夠列入客森文化重點發展區這一點應該沒問題吧"},{"start":28842.469,"end":28868.615,"text":"目前發展期以 行政司期60天之我剩下15秒我再提一下還有一個世界客家博覽會我們希望能夠在南部在高雄能夠執行這樣子OK嗎你大家評估當中各廳要判的時間一廳有限靠你國平地區"},{"start":28879.94,"end":28898.669,"text":"謝謝修緣之傑的質詢接下來我們請林委員施名好 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但是管理規則定了每次都有送到貴院來審查或備查你這個邏輯跟我不通你一直講說組團到你可以讓我們中華民國的人民到中國到旅遊但是他們組團要去你跟我講說不行一個是產業 一個是業者"},{"start":29910.456,"end":29912.197,"text":"現在大家都偷偷摸摸的去做"},{"start":29930.782,"end":29946.149,"text":"本來這個把這個禁令拿掉大家都很高興那所有的旅行業者都啊終於可以組團去中國大陸可以保障他們的生計疫情這4年來讓他們已經悶了多久我個人是覺得我們如果把這個橄欖枝"},{"start":29947.79,"end":29949.33,"text":"我還是講一句話復婚期總召也提到"},{"start":29977.117,"end":29977.577,"text":"委員我可以回答嗎"},{"start":30001.774,"end":30015.785,"text":"委員是這樣子一般組團都是三個月以前組團的那現在我們為什麼會到五月底呢就是因為我們截止的說我們開始暫停的這一個時間呢剛好有"},{"start":30016.545,"end":30018.546,"text":"最重要的情況還是大陸要釋出善意從剛才講的2019年開始大陸就不准他的人民到台灣來觀光"},{"start":30035.672,"end":30050.128,"text":"所以我覺得更重要的是我們朝野都應該合作起來去請對方釋出善意這才是最重要的因為過去您也一直跟我講這件事情但是我還是希望說主委過去在內政委員會您一直說"},{"start":30050.749,"end":30065.043,"text":"您會遞出橄欖枝 您上次就這樣講了所以您遞出了嘛 您遞出了但是沒有得到回應 而且還得到M503的這樣的一個回應這是惡意的回應啊但是我們沒有得到的善意 而且還得到惡意的回應我剛才跟委員報告過就是說 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