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Kacaw委員：法規都很明確。好，103年1月14號，立法院三讀通過原住民委員會的組織法，當時我們特別列了附帶決議，實際預算員額（不含所屬機關）不得少於195人，未來並視業務成長情形，予以核實增加至280人。我們看，附帶決議是103年1月通過的，那時候預算員額都已經出來了，103年那時候147人的預算員額，104年就按照立法院的附帶決議到195人了，是符合的，但是我們看「並視業務成長情形，予以核實增加至280人」，但是這段時間只有增加3個人，本席一再地要求你們要去提報，你看看104年當時的預算經費，基金加預算七十七億八千多萬，114（明）年度的預算，基金加公務預算加文健站，因為那時候104年還沒有文健站的經費從長照基金撥入，從106之後開始有長照基金撥到原民會，沒有撥到原民會，你們直接去請款的，所以不在你們的預算數裡面，總共已經多少？145億，成長了一倍，但是你們的人……原民會的職員、公務員非常地辛苦，所以人事室主任要提報，我質詢過人事行政總處的人事長，他說原民會沒有提報啊！"],["陳主任榮宏：報告委員，我們有跟人總那邊去爭取員額。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：按照立法院的決議，原民會你們自己的報告，原文會跟公共電視的薪資落差差距之大，這個有沒有解決？處長，有沒有增加？明年會不會增加？"],["陳處長坤昇：跟委員報告，明年度原文會這邊有編列8%的調薪。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：已經很多年沒有調嘛！對不對？非常非常多年，所以這個部分要趕快落實。","主委，你原民特考考上的時候，原民會會辦研習嘛！對不對？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當時你是在哪裡參加研習？"],["曾主任委員智勇：東埔。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：東埔嘛！在原鄉嘛！對不對？過去臺灣省政府一直到原民會成立之後，尤其是尤哈尼主委時代，我們都是到原鄉，現在都是到哪裡？都是到圓山大飯店，都是到圓山大飯店，都是圓山大飯店，要到原鄉東埔活動中心對不對？有時候會在技藝研習中心對不對？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：有時候會到花蓮、到臺東、到屏東文化園區，過去都在那邊辦。"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：很多活動都在那邊辦，現在都是到圓山大飯店。中華民國所有部會最常在圓山大飯店辦活動的就是原民會，連客委會從來都沒有在那邊辦過，所以這個部分要請主委，原民會辦活動就到原鄉原住民族地區好不好？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。"],["主席：我們請黃國昌委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":282,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-8","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","王美惠","黃建賓","黃捷","牛煦庭","李柏毅","盧縣一","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","黃國昌","張智倫","林倩綺","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳瑩","許宇甄","黃仁","丁學忠"],"page_start":165,"meetingDate":["2024-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1139601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查 114年度中\n央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分；三、審查 114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金─原住民族綜合發展基金；\n四、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發\n展基金會114年度預算書案；五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會單位預\n算","agenda_id":"1139601_00003"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}