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所以我們到現在還協商"},{"start":2646.386,"end":2670.205,"text":"難道大家都要直播了?大人白癡嗎?千萬別吃塑膠嗎?不要再搞這一套了我們今天齁從一開始齁都是誠心協商韓院長協商兩次,今天第三次只是這些都是誠心協商可以搞得這樣天翻地覆齁?這也天災啦,我講不定,我們天災啦真正的戲目現在才拉開來總之下禮拜"},{"start":2673.507,"end":2685.972,"text":"召會去選三月四號委員會開始各黨政策一上環全部登場那才是實有料的東西啦那今天我也要說什麼話民主金融網路大廈這議事規則等一下請周恩來給你說明一下這話題其實"},{"start":2689.053,"end":2716.98,"text":"江湖朝廷一個月嘛,你那時候在演笑,在演四點半的時候早知道要來開會,白演的,這樣不好因為我們當天你提案以後,你當天要提一個案,院長先無了我們提案要請韓院長今天來協商,有關於二十三號專案報告的事情所以我今天,我要跟你還是要講這個事情都為大家存勇氣,不然再查這個沒意思了嘛,是不是這樣"},{"start":2721.957,"end":2747.274,"text":"我剛才黃光昌講說明天到等一下等一下我講把他講完我還有一個我也聽不到明天是要增加還是合併我聽不懂你的意思明天只有一個東西就是就食安專案報告沒有兩個東西再一次要總之你要食安報告難道你們一場這個議程也沒有辦法這麼處理好不好"},{"start":2753.571,"end":2773.65,"text":"因為他先舉手,我們請施耀蘇幹事長您先稍待一下謝謝院長,我想我們希望快速的來就大家都已經有共識的話聽起來就明天進行食安專報但因為真的是這次公開直播也會做成紀錄就三點部分還是非常非常簡要的來說明"},{"start":2775.251,"end":2795.505,"text":"第一,因為剛剛有民眾黨團的總召．嚴閉稱說由國民黨跟民眾黨所提案的食安專報要安排對不起,其實我們也有提案那天在院會也有提案所以今天對,所以今天現在在討論的我們那天在院會只有提案就民進黨希望在週五"},{"start":2795.725,"end":2797.606,"text":"主題是食安專報的其實是民主進步黨所以這個東西在議事記錄上我想謝謝議事人員也在提醒我們這件事情那第二個事情剛剛柯總召已經說明過了依照議事規則"},{"start":2814.611,"end":2817.875,"text":"一般提案經討論事項、列案之後：進覆二讀、朝野協商再來就是一個月的冷凍期這是我們立法院的議事規則的ABC其實我們也很好奇"},{"start":2830.231,"end":2836.777,"text":"第一個有黨編對於議事規則顯然是不是太熟悉但沒有關係可以補強多讀一點書是沒有問題的但是我們也在這個當中也不太理解因為同時有看到民眾黨裡頭在前一天的下午一點多鐘我們是在黃珊珊副總召的這個臉書上看到"},{"start":2850.551,"end":2859.551,"text":"是同時黃珊珊副總召所說的是敦請韓院長來主持協商但是在沒多久之後那又收到由這個"},{"start":2861.472,"end":2886.597,"text":"黃國昌總召又臨時前30多分鐘發到各黨團要召開由黃國昌總召民眾黨召集的黨團協商其實這個東西也讓我們造成一個黨團裡面的兩個黃珊珊副總召說要請韓院長來針對食安報告召集協商可是呢黃國昌總召又在30分鐘前4點在告訴我們要協商OK沒關係都過去了"},{"start":2889.298,"end":2903.506,"text":"今天我們坐在這裡只是要把這個事情要講清楚因為我們都是直播負責任的負責任的講話負責任的陳述事實所以說也非常希望院長以後也能夠協助但議事人員也很為難依照議事規則裡頭要召集協商依法規是兩天前來召集協商那除非特別特別急速的"},{"start":2912.171,"end":2912.812,"text":"我非常同意民眾黨的柯文哲"},{"start":2934.191,"end":2955.088,"text":"主席說的簡單的事簡單解決簡單的事就簡單解決我們不希望未來再化簡為凡我們一切按部就班所以因為是協商時間我想這些過程都可以讓它過去我們可以翻下一頁進入下一題那謝謝大家支持民進黨提出來明天召開食安專報的這個提案謝謝"},{"start":2957.17,"end":2958.371,"text":"謝謝院長針對我們在2月20號所提案的內容那天"},{"start":2977.631,"end":2994.612,"text":"在主席臺我老實說啦是有點混亂所以今天下午接見外賓之前其實我有跟秘書長請教我也是我們最近才拿到那一天完整的議事錄那天完整的議事錄的記載是"},{"start":2997.922,"end":3020.128,"text":"當主席宣告請問院會有無意義沒有意義的時候這個時候是由民主進步黨提議交付黨團協商所以在過去這幾天民主進步黨提議交付黨團協商我們說是民進黨拉協商的這句話一句話都沒有說錯那第二個部分"},{"start":3021.779,"end":3049.231,"text":"剛剛柯建民總召說這個禁夫惡毒當然就是要交付黨團協商跟我們看立法院裡面的議事慣例顯然是不符我舉具體的例子好了在109年5月19號的時候進行討論事項第八案的時候也是要求禁夫惡毒而禁夫惡毒沒有拉協商"},{"start":3050.424,"end":3066.116,"text":"然後要求照案通過的這個提案單啊上面簽名的人就是柯建民了上面簽名的人就是柯建民了金服惡毒啊沒有交付黨團協商啊因為沒有人拉協商嘛"},{"start":3067.222,"end":3080.97,"text":"所以馬上就過了啊這個提案單上面簽的大字的三個字啊就是柯建民啊怎麼會說金夫二讀一定要交付黨團協商呢那是因為你們民主進步黨拉協商嘛第二個"},{"start":3082.462,"end":3104.227,"text":"針對那天下午召開黨團協商的過程我再還原以下狀況我們下午兩點多接到立法院議事處的通知通知我們說要由我們來召集協商那由我們來召集協商這件事情我本來也覺得很怪因為如果要協商的話我們是希望請院長"},{"start":3105.588,"end":3110.404,"text":"來召集協商結果搞了半天我才知道原來是民主進步黨黨團提案"},{"start":3113.113,"end":3140.653,"text":"說進夫二讀交由黨團協商由提案委員所屬黨團負責召集協商請問我們召集協商的白紙黑字寫的就是民主進步黨黨團要求我們召集協商啊所以我們兩點多接到議事同仁的通知的時候我們兩點多接到議事同仁的通知的時候白紙黑字寫的很清楚啦由民主進步黨黨團要求我們召集協商我那時候很困惑"},{"start":3141.494,"end":3158.565,"text":"我說是不是在打個電話給議事處請教一下議事同仁確定是要由我們召集協商我們不是希望院長主持協商嗎他們說因為提案的民主進步黨黨團提案的內容是要我們召集協商我們希望的是禮拜二"},{"start":3159.537,"end":3185.547,"text":"要加開院會那是我們當初提案的內容所以禮拜一下午我們接到議事處的通知我急忙請著黨團的同仁那就趕快按照民主進步黨黨團的意思我們來發什麼協商通知那我們希望什麼希望21號的時候能夠加開院會那我們總不可能等到21號甚至22號的時候才召集協商嘛"},{"start":3186.127,"end":3202.416,"text":"所以我們那一天協商通知發出去的時間是下午三點二十四分三點二十四分然後請兩大黨的黨團四點半的時候來協商我知道時間比較趕非常的抱歉但那不是"},{"start":3203.476,"end":3228.315,"text":"那不是我們希望這樣做我們是在那個客觀的情勢下面如果那個時候不召集協商的話那我們本來希望21號加開院會的這件事情就沒有辦法能夠順利的成立我想把事實還原清楚本與事實討論本與事實討論是一個非常重要的基本態度"},{"start":3229.997,"end":3232.639,"text":"韓委員包括民眾黨三位仔細聽一下我也希望說包括另外一位書記長幹事長民眾主席聽"},{"start":3255.205,"end":3272.312,"text":"藝環的意識規則是鐵打鐵的黃國昌在你們在出現很多事情都不知道意識規則你們應該晚言相欠這是我比較忠心的、誠實的說法藝環意識規則很清楚等下你問錯話來"},{"start":3274.918,"end":3300.334,"text":"進入二讀一定是...一定是...我不會...我不會讓...進入二讀我不會講說交付潮行立法院本來就馬上...意思是...馬上要先讀就是已經要交付潮行協商只是我...我那天為什麼要提這個啊我怕...我怕秘書長那邊齁...好舒服喔我不會講也一定是這樣的等一下問...問清楚好不好"},{"start":3301.69,"end":3319.837,"text":"進入二讀,然後不會寫上,進入二讀好啊,進入二讀接著怎麼辦?一定是張超、蕊香一隔夜,這個是鐵打鐵的,我是怕說他們輸了,所以把它放上去,我不放也是如此啦,這個昨晚寫的書上面也有過去歷史規定,都是如此。"},{"start":3321.034,"end":3347.93,"text":"因為你們離開一晚久,可能當初你的意思規格都不是很清楚,這是第一點也不是說我把他拉下來協商,你遵照我的意旨,趕快來協商你不要跟我講這種話,你在休息跟休眠覺不然下禮拜三你演不下去了嘛,我一直講說演不下去不要再演了這是第一點第二點我要講就是說"},{"start":3350.134,"end":3368.051,"text":"立法院的議事規則提案委員要進入二讀然後加入朝鮮學商一定是主席才是的這是主席才是不是我要求的主席一定才是由提案委員的黨團來主持協商這也是立法院的議事規則不是我要求叫你協商的"},{"start":3369.011,"end":3396.654,"text":"我沒辦法,我告訴你立場我叫學長立場不來這是立法院議事規則所以你們要清楚,要講清楚所以不要,到現在還在拗,我們沒有議事去,我們要背什麼客觀形式,你的客觀形式是說你不再演下去的話明天有禮拜三,你的戲演不下去了啊所以趕快,只能弄一個坐在那裡底下,因為何孟愷比較慈悲一點,所以跑來我們做因為我要"},{"start":3397.515,"end":3415.248,"text":"大家都很清楚這種朝野協商絕對不會有人來因為我們已經發一個今天要了要協商了洪文凱當然是南白河執政副公局也不敢來人家說到底漏氣就算了就去漏氣就是演這種戲而已我是覺得很奇怪"},{"start":3416.505,"end":3423.691,"text":"今天這個東西還在編嗎?我就想請你們要吃飯你們應該讀藝術會比較好啦藝術會先搞清楚再編嘛大家說小學畢業不理嗎?不可能嘛"},{"start":3443.171,"end":3443.251,"text":"主席"},{"start":3465.652,"end":3492.558,"text":"主席的才事那後來我們才接到一次處的通知還有一個原來前面還有一個是要我們來召集協商所以兩件事情都是在院長當天的才事的範圍之內所以並不是民眾黨有做兩次不同的決定也不是我們內部有什麼問題而是我們按照主席的才事做了相關的程序但是我覺得這個部分不容混淆啦把它說清楚就好"},{"start":3499.961,"end":3514.272,"text":"謝謝市長幹事長謝謝我覺得如果能夠就是論事把這個道理釐清多花一點時間在這裡大家來交換意見我也樂見因為我們就是希望讓事實講清楚因為議事規則跟這整個事件的來龍去脈不應當要有主觀的判定而應當回到客觀客觀的事實就是依內規依議事規則"},{"start":3526.641,"end":3551.065,"text":"一當天主席所宣誓所宣讀的事項所以剛剛民眾黨的黃國昌總召一直在說他那天是經議事處提醒然後議事處責成要求民眾黨召開協商你們才知道然後才迫不得已趕快來這個史上最速見的協商的安排其實如果說對議事規則不懂沒有關係我們來補強"},{"start":3557.19,"end":3572.24,"text":"來補課這個我都已經講了但是呢當天早上我手上拿的就是我們的議事記錄了就是當天在民眾黨提出要用加開院會的方式處理食安專報之後這個提案之後"},{"start":3573.601,"end":3600.379,"text":"這個當天的速記主席很清楚就是我們韓院長就已經說針對民眾黨這個提案我們做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商當天這是主席現場的宣告所以如果議事規則事前不了解沒有關係沒有人100分回去複習就好但是至少當天來開會耳朵也要帶來"},{"start":3603.541,"end":3616.292,"text":"當天主席韓院長就在臺上清楚的宣告民眾黨的這個加開院會的議案做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責協商這是當天的宣告所以絕對"},{"start":3623.258,"end":3631.304,"text":"議事處的同仁是很辛苦的他們居然主席這麼清楚的宣告民眾黨都怎麼時間都要到了還沒有來發協商通知呢議事處下午兩點打電話提醒民眾黨團是基於他的提醒他的職責結果他的提醒就變成讓我們的在野黨民眾黨拿來甩鍋給議事處我覺得這樣對於我們奉公守法又這麼有議事經驗豐富的議事人員真的是很無奈也不要這樣為難人家"},{"start":3653.499,"end":3663.688,"text":"當天這是院長的宣誓就是我一定要這樣子來說明不是你們事後才知道要召集院長當天就宣告對不起喔院長還有一件事情喔"},{"start":3664.876,"end":3693.715,"text":"我手上帶來的都是我們在場這個號稱台灣立法院活字典的周萬來秘書長歷年的專書歷年的專書針對議事規則進赴二讀之議案需交付黨團協商並由提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商也就是剛剛韓院長宣告的非常清楚韓院長完全依照議事規則我隨便拿一本就好"},{"start":3694.635,"end":3718.026,"text":"這裡還有第二本也是一樣 周萬蘭秘書長寫的都是如同Bible一樣的進赴二獨支提案去交付黨團協商由提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商這個我可以送給你們沒有關係所以說呢 我要再講今天早上 立法院議事處同仁非常用心今天早上針對各黨團的心境"},{"start":3721.472,"end":3747.735,"text":"國會助理召開了訓練營召開了議事研習營在今天早上的議事研習營也有一堂課也是由我們議事處的周萬來處長對不起是我們議事處處長來主講今天早上給各黨團的幕僚跟新進國會助理的課當中的議事規則裡頭就很清楚把它列為今天的"},{"start":3748.669,"end":3765.001,"text":"教學內容我再唸一次進覆二讀之提案需交付黨團協商提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商就是今天早上給所有的新進國會助理同仁上的課希望民眾黨的同仁有去上課"},{"start":3766.454,"end":3793.837,"text":"所以從過去到今天就是剛剛柯建民總召一直在說的議事規範是鐵打鐵的事實沒有主觀認定的空間就是一個非常清楚的鐵打鐵的事實所以我們還原真相很好今天在這裡講完我很希望下一頁下一題明天很順利的讓食安專報可以上路黃委員、黃總召我一直在跟你講話可以看著我的眼睛嗎"},{"start":3795.489,"end":3812.287,"text":"好嗎?我們就讓明天可以順利。謝謝你的微笑,雖然他不是很開心的微笑,但我是非常打從心裡誠摯的對你微笑。我們彼此尊重,按部就班。你們柯P主席說得很好,簡單的事簡單解決。我們就下一題吧,謝謝。"},{"start":3817.797,"end":3833.493,"text":"國民黨洪孟楷書記長發言第一次發言謝謝院長我只有一分鐘的時間我只講一分鐘的話是要開創新局還是回顧歷史草野協商自然感謝院長播出時間是我們的這個開會通知單民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團分別都有提議"},{"start":3838.718,"end":3856.59,"text":"重點在於是要不要讓民進黨政府來面對國人八年執政下的食安問題總檢討如果說只是想要回顧歷史的話我想大家就是要比文字遊戲、比演講比賽各自政黨都在黨團開的記者會就不要搬來這邊來講"},{"start":3858.862,"end":3882.835,"text":"那我真的希望主席做個明快才是我只有兩點建議第一明天就召開食安專報第二我希望因為現在已經快要五點鐘了所以說我們各黨團的這個質詢名單因為是上一次講到國民黨黨團七位、民進黨團七位、民眾黨團一位這個名單容許我們可以明天早上八點半前提出讓"},{"start":3884.136,"end":3885.277,"text":"國常總召時間短請發言稍微麻煩一下好不好"},{"start":3902.472,"end":3917.669,"text":"我非常贊成啦我們討論事情要基於事實嘛前面我們2月12提案議事會提的提案交付朝野協商的民進黨黨團提案這麼大的字就寫在這裡這是第一點"},{"start":3919.79,"end":3932.365,"text":"第二點說進夫惡毒一定要交付朝野協商好來來來看一下民主進夫黨黨團交付進夫惡毒遭案通過沒有拉朝野協商欸"},{"start":3933.544,"end":3934.444,"text":"謝謝國長總長柯總長第四次發言都說了就做啦齁"},{"start":3962.406,"end":3982.625,"text":"那等下那個律師長也把說明清楚黃國昌現在挑戰曾經有個案例是吧就是教授曹偉強然後就通過專案通過那個是在曹偉各黨都有公視底下完成的你不要笑你等下要變哭了"},{"start":3986.869,"end":4013.803,"text":"我們這個沒有共識 我們有提案欸我們提到另一個案子嘛我們是同時在主議台上欸第二個 通常這種情形是怎麼處理 也有一種情形處理就是說交入朝野鄉 大家馬上停下來過去王金平院長時代 包括蘇貞淺院長時代也都發生過 以前都是如此所有黨變人都知道 馬上停下來然後大家協商簽一簽 馬上再讀就是這樣 要有共識底下"},{"start":4015.56,"end":4043.549,"text":"沒有的話一定是這樣嘛 一定是加入草野鄉一個月這個是等下問周恩來去解釋一下而且由提案委員來召集草野鄉這是議事規則啦我沒有這麼偉大說這樣去召集草野鄉的協商 好我想這個案子啊實案專案報告經過各黨團充分討論呃 容我嘗試性做以下的結論宣讀給各位黨團來聽好不好"},{"start":4045.615,"end":4061.867,"text":"那麼決定事項各黨團同意2月23號星期五邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出有關民進黨政府執政八年台灣食安問題總檢討專案報告並備質詢質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派7位"},{"start":4072.557,"end":4101.208,"text":"民進黨黨團推派七位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位進行每位委員尋答時間15分鐘質詢依序依例授權議事處辦理那於名單於2月23號上星期五上午8點30分前送交議事處會診"},{"start":4103.018,"end":4104.42,"text":"欲時適同放棄"},{"start":4120.367,"end":4121.428,"text":"你不是議長 我跟韓國瑜說的跟你沒關係 年輕人也這樣"},{"start":4146.605,"end":4147.886,"text":"吳思耀委員剛也拍手了"},{"start":4171.52,"end":4184.747,"text":"因為我們剛剛太快,印了沒有?印了沒有?先讓我先唸一下,沒關係印了沒有?這個食安問題都已經OK了?對,我們現在針列了,針列在?我們沒看到針列嗎?針列在哪裡?他還沒有拿到文字才?"},{"start":4197.574,"end":4204.857,"text":"各位黨團幹部請大家稍微再耐心、忍耐我們繼續處理民進黨黨團所提的針裂一項請民進黨黨團柯總召請說明"},{"start":4212.214,"end":4225.308,"text":"好再說明大家比較印象深刻一點而且我相信這個是大家共同想法因為過去不管怎麼樣新的立法院應該要大家就都來遵守遊戲規則比如說"},{"start":4228.328,"end":4241.079,"text":"若去立法院我跟你們講海運長我們同事們那時候只用達哥大當武器 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每次都拿出來說你如果你的事要說所以說像今天突然 對不對今天 哇 這個先生們我們當然可以配合國會本來就是有尊嚴的地方但是過去大家幾十年走來你們在有在有的苦處大家也都能夠認同那今天我覺得要制度化 好我們願意"},{"start":4592.967,"end":4610.712,"text":"但是要走邊走邊不要到時候又來再玩這種遊戲所以我們在這裡興建啦很真的 我是很喜悅的心情啦柯總長我兩個眼睛看著你 看到沒有"},{"start":4611.741,"end":4640.676,"text":"我是很喜悅的時間看著你像一尊佛祖一樣I'm watching you OK現在我覺得真的是柯總召現在真的越來越像佛像所以不斷地強調大家要按照國會禮儀來進行我也希望每次看到柯總召的時候都帶著微笑每天都有國會禮儀我想這樣大家在立法院都能夠相見歡我們也很願意 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