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的委員會來處理，那這部分還在討論中。"],["林委員俊憲：你還在討論，我們都連續11年受到境外假訊息攻擊最嚴重的國家，部長也上任那麼久了……"],["黃部長彥男：這個確實是需要再……我個人認為這個委員會……"],["林委員俊憲：當時部長有說假訊息你要處理，比如說你要求他下架，最基本的要有法源依據。"],["黃部長彥男：對，就是打詐……"],["林委員俊憲：或者是你要處罰他要有罰則，這些都需要有相關的法律根據。"],["黃部長彥男：對。"],["林委員俊憲：我們現在連最基本的……"],["黃部長彥男：現在就是打詐四法的部分……"],["林委員俊憲：那你說打詐，這些社群平臺跟我們配合進行了如何？有嗎？效果有嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：有。"],["林委員俊憲：現在詐騙還是這麼嚴重，還是國人最不滿的原因之一。"],["黃部長彥男：我們跟他們……11月底我們會把納管包括罰則跟下架時間會寫出來，如果他們……"],["林委員俊憲：11月，就這個月？"],["黃部長彥男：11月底，那就在11月底的時候。"],["林委員俊憲：本月底。"],["黃部長彥男：這個月底。再來，如果他們配合，我們就可以罰款，在這之前，我們已經跟他喝過很多次咖啡，我們通報，他們都有配合下架，雖然下架的時間有時候稍微晚一點，不過，確實這樣的機制已經建立起來，所以目前我們看到詐騙廣告，尤其在網路廣告平臺，像臉書確實有下架，而且下架將近80%，但是還是有，以後可能就是用實名制跟剛剛講的用法律來規範，希望能夠完全配合，用這個機制，我們當然也可以讓他下架所謂的假訊息。"],["林委員俊憲：好，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝林俊憲委員。","接下來邀請游顥委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":246,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-9","speakers":["陳素月","林沛祥","林國成","李昆澤","林俊憲","游顥","何欣純","黃健豪","蔡其昌","魯明哲","徐富癸","廖先翔","邱若華","陳雪生","賴士葆","黃國昌","吳春城","林月琴","麥玉珍","洪孟楷","許智傑","陳培瑜"],"page_start":185,"meetingDate":["2024-11-13"],"gazette_id":"1139801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139801_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算；二、審查114年度中央\n政府總預算案關於數位發展部數位產業署單位預算","agenda_id":"1139801_00010"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}