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謝謝第二個問題就最近有發生這個特教紳士的衝突事件我想相關的新聞我就不再贅述但是我想要談的另外一個比較大的問題其實在去年特教法修完之後普特融合的現象普特融合的情況在教育現場我們都知道是教育的主流"},{"start":3036.181,"end":3055.817,"text":"可是我們發現最大的問題是老師普生的老師他們其實需要很多特教資源的協助跟協助可是我們也知道在普特融合的現場特教老師其實光是照顧特教學生已經疲於奔命甚且我們知道有非常多縣市他們連特教助理員都不夠正式的特教老師也不夠"},{"start":3056.638,"end":3073.155,"text":"在這個事情之後我們先不去管事情的個案我們來看通案教育部這邊有沒有任何想法來協助普特融合的教育現場普師還有特師如何合作還有普師所需要的特教相關知識跟資源因為像我過去自己修教育學分其實特教並不是規定必修"},{"start":3074.756,"end":3074.856,"text":"獲得獲得獲得"},{"start":3098.844,"end":3098.864,"text":"獲得獎項獎項"},{"start":3118.618,"end":3118.638,"text":"獲得獎項"},{"start":3134.589,"end":3134.829,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3151.576,"end":3151.717,"text":"獲得獲得獲得獲得"},{"start":3171.87,"end":3172.591,"text":"政府應負起更大的支持責任"},{"start":3187.663,"end":3212.284,"text":"我之前有聽部長說過不過我覺得各個縣市的個別情況非常非常不一樣而且其實根據很多第一線的老師給我們的反應還有家長還有學生的狀況我們都知道現在特教生的情況每一個樣態都非常非常特殊所以除了部長剛剛所說到的預算跟增加1600位之外我相信還有更多第一線的聲音我們需要聽到那因為今天時間有限我想後續我們辦公室持續會在特教題目上跟學特使的"},{"start":3214.386,"end":3220.471,"text":"因為各縣市的差異其實這存在的現象是應該要來持續的做否則有的兩萬多有的到三萬多我有講待遇所以這一次目前我們也正在依照剛才所支持的這四年計畫也來制定相關的要點跟實施的手冊就是跟縣市開了兩次會議啦這個的目的就是希望不管特教生分布在哪個縣市特教老師在哪個特教助理人在哪個地方應該要被一致的"},{"start":3244.07,"end":3265.486,"text":" 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這個真的是冤枉錢部長我相信不是你去推啦我現在講我也相信說我們學習電產案立出來不是說要讓人家做業績但是確實每年持續循環這也不是委員第一次在這邊質詢這個議題我相信你回答都回答很多次了但是到目前為止都還有啊"},{"start":4117.347,"end":4126.518,"text":"不管是自由時報不管是UDN不管是聯合新聞網都有寫到代價20萬贏對收費上萬元學習歷程做代寫軍備競賽還有坊間喊套20萬商品化造假亂象重生"},{"start":4135.097,"end":4135.197,"text":"我跟你們報告齁"},{"start":4157.415,"end":4179.605,"text":"如果學習歷程檔案用以推增就是現在馬上往下就是大學入學推增階段在過往就是有所謂的備審資料因為推增不可能只看學測成績嘛否則就不叫推增了我們現在問的是你覺得說學習歷程檔案到底現在推了這幾年利大於弊還是弊大於利應該是利大於弊還是利大於弊但是每年都還是有這種喊價軍備競賽這怎麼講過去在備審資料然後你剛剛講是說你都沒有去我們有些時候都還講語情分析啊"},{"start":4188.07,"end":4216.084,"text":"每個部會現在都在做語情分析編錢給媒體公關公司每天收集相關部會結果那麼重要的一個20萬的一個新聞你沒有看到委員我有看到我只是表達你剛又說沒看到不是我是說我從來不答不支持這樣的做事我們沒有人支持這樣的做事但是今天就是教育部設計的這個制度讓這樣的亂象持續重生所以本是一開始開宗明義才講是說每年到了這個時候要升學前"},{"start":4216.544,"end":4239.003,"text":"因為委員對這個議題也關心我剛才為什麼會說過往就有備審資料備審資料照樣可以做類似的事情所以剛才委員提到學習基礎談判我們有沒有檢討因為我知道朝偉這個禮拜三就會排我們去科技大樓考察也會看這個相關的議題所以禮拜三你們也會做專案報告但重點在於是是不是"},{"start":4242.085,"end":4262.332,"text":"家長們反正叫一叫喊一喊你說力大於弊部長一句力大於弊所以持續推那家長反正就是每年到了就是看誰的資源多誰能參加國際的營隊誰能怎麼樣他就履歷比較漂亮資源少的學生他就永遠沒有辦法有這樣的先起跑點就已經輸別人"},{"start":4263.473,"end":4278.968,"text":"委員這個東西當然一定要持續宣傳我們能夠怎麼檢討我跟委員報告營隊的部份教育部是非常嚴格的要求各大專校院如果因為辦收費的營隊又嫁接到學校未來入學考試這會重層這個是我跟你講我們現在懲罰了幾個學校"},{"start":4281.909,"end":4310.029,"text":"有抓到嗎?不是,因為我們這個之前我現在就講了你現在講是說應該要這樣子說現在有沒有任何一個學校有抓到委員應該以前是個別學校那個資料我可以提供委員有個別的教授進行這件事情我們就追到學校去了我當然不好講哪個大學名字那之後我們就覺得說這種現象確實會影響到入學的公平這是我跟委員報告的對,您剛提的本席認同不能影響公平當然不能啊"},{"start":4310.709,"end":4337.399,"text":"部長所以說你等下那相關資料會後給本席一份本席會持續追這個議題那最後一分鐘的時間我確認一下現在有講到是說之前我們關心這個男籃的部分保險費男子籃球男籃那個時候球員講說只有保五萬元的失能險甚至有講說打中華隊理賠金額只有三萬元那對於我們國人來講這種感情是沒有辦法接受"},{"start":4337.619,"end":4338.9,"text":"現在有說要比照棒球國家棒球隊請教現在溝通狀況怎麼樣"},{"start":4353.473,"end":4356.254,"text":"跟我們報告確實未來我們這些國家隊的選手的保險籃球的部分就只要是國家隊因為涉及到是職業球員的部分是這個關鍵這部分我們就會比照棒球音樂有職業球員的方式加保"},{"start":4370.622,"end":4380.053,"text":"現在就是教育部會跟金管會來因為有幾個保險公司目前我們都在希望透過金管一起洽談能夠對國家的選手以這樣的模式來保障這個選手萬一受到運動的傷害所以現在進行的狀況怎麼樣我就直接問啦比較具體的問題下一次國際的盃賽會不會再有這樣的狀況發生"},{"start":4392.546,"end":4408.877,"text":"你能不能保證下一次國際的盃賽不會再有這樣子什麼3萬5萬里北京的狀況發生?因為這部分政府都直接聯繫下一次如果以籃球的部分是11月份應該在這之前我們有可以跟保險公司洽商﹖可以處理好那請教女籃的部分呢?你有沒有看到先聽部長先聽本席吧問題問完"},{"start":4415.862,"end":4440.803,"text":"有沒有看到那個時候我們男子的這個球員他在臉書上發言的時候居然還有女籃的球員來下面留言說哈原來你們還有保險喔那網路上的民眾一炸鍋喔原來是有保險三萬五萬對於女子籃球來講這已經是一個很好的待遇了那就代表女子籃球更沒有那還有以國家隊來講本席的狀況本席是愛運動的我相信部長也是"},{"start":4441.864,"end":4463.936,"text":"喜歡運動的人對於我們的這種中華隊只要能夠代表國家代表出隊的都好那辦職業咧包括現在男子排球女子排球他也有辦職業運動啊他也有職業聯賽啊那這些職業聯賽如果說未來男子排球女子排球他們也要出賽的時候能不能也協助他們有一個合格合理的保險"},{"start":4466.216,"end":4483.584,"text":"還是只限說南南南棒這種關注大的觀眾多的票房多的號召力強的網路聲量高的我們重視那其他的聲量小的沒有什麼比相對現在比較沒有辦法有那麼多球迷的可是他是值得我們培養的我們就不重視我想應該不會吧"},{"start":4485.604,"end":4506.09,"text":"最近幾位都是比較因為有職業選手 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謝謝召委我們有請潘文忠部長"},{"start":6252.8,"end":6277.128,"text":"委員好部長好我記得上個會期我就幫您算過你那個時候就已經是中華民國史上任期最長的部長那現在算下來加一加前後已經超過7年的時間了7年的時間奉獻在教育部上那剛才其實有問到我看我們柯真委員說520的時候你會跟下一任的部長好好交接嗎但我覺得這一題好像問得快了一點我要先問您的是賴信德這個總總統有沒有徵詢您這個續任的這個意願"},{"start":6283.237,"end":6285.34,"text":"教育政策都是延續的,所以您自己有這個意願想要爭取繼續續任嗎?"},{"start":6301.087,"end":6317.905,"text":"會有這個意願嗎?委員我先把519以前委員所期待要求要做的事情做好這才是最重要的好很好那我想7年的時間在這裡真的非常的久那在這段時間裡面你所做的每一個政策每一個決定其實對我們的教育都是非常的深遠的"},{"start":6318.746,"end":6334.494,"text":"我想在教改以來這麼多年我們都知道教改教改好像一直都還是處於在改變的狀態一直都沒有辦法穩定下來我覺得這是教育現場上現在一個非常大的一個問題那在您的任內最重要的也是稍微有爭議的也就是108課綱那108課綱最初的這個初衷我們是希望讓孩子能夠減壓尤其在升學壓力上可是看來我想以下我會提幾個數據我們來檢討一下108新課綱"},{"start":6347.301,"end":6352.104,"text":"部長不知道有沒有看到根據聯合報2020年連續3年針對108新課綱做了一個民調那大致是來了解一下在教育的現場對於108新課綱的上路我們在教學上面有沒有遇到困難那結果發現在國中這個老師的部分有82.9%說遇到了困難"},{"start":6366.431,"end":6377.778,"text":"那在高中的部分更可怕了9292.3%說他們也遇到了困難同時國中的老師有64.3%在跨領域的備課上面他們認為是難執行的那麼教學負擔過重也有超過54%的人這樣的表達而高中的狀況一樣更嚴重教學負擔過重的表述有84%的人是這麼認為的而63%這個認為學習歷程檔案的狀況是非常的多"},{"start":6393.627,"end":6418.657,"text":"我想其實這樣的一個現象更弔詭的是聯合報在第一年就是108信課堂上路的時候所調查出來的數據照講我們108信課堂越上路應該越順手困難度越低才對結果不是反其道而行這樣的一個調查結果是一年比一年困難度更高一年比一年讓這些老師更無法接受所以我想本席認為其實在滿足"},{"start":6420.698,"end":6446.557,"text":"你們拿這個教改來作為自己成績的時候我們不希望其實老師已經成為高壓的血汗的教師這一群而沒有得到任何教育部的支持那我們看到這個教師工會的團體也一直在呼籲說希望能夠這個降低師生比那這個群教廠也有提到這個高中希望能夠把我們每一班2.25人調高到2.5人高職每一班兩到三人的現狀能夠調高到三人以上"},{"start":6448.899,"end":6451.241,"text":"主席,您能否解釋一下?謝謝委員,我想剛才委員所關心108課綱,那我也跟委員報告,這部分確實108課綱是比較更以學生學習發展為一個核心,這個應該是教育的一個本質,那這個過程我非常謝謝全國中小學的老師,因為這個對教學形態的準備"},{"start":6470.962,"end":6474.464,"text":"確實會一個新的挑戰所以這個階段為什麼要有前導學校執行跟老師的徵能幫我們跟很多孟恩等的教師專業社群也在努力但委員跟委員報告其實委員對這個議題也一直很關心所以如果從2022年這個全世界PISA跟OECD的這個確實看得出來台灣的孩子在科學數學跟閱讀"},{"start":6496.978,"end":6500.92,"text":"在全世界都掉下來的過程台灣的孩子是全世界第3名第4名第5名我給你這些時間是在討論我們剛剛講的問題點如果我們的眼裡都只有看到我們自己認為的這個好處而不去檢討大家面臨的難處這個政策永遠不會好所以我想本席剛才反映"},{"start":6518.007,"end":6519.368,"text":"我跟委員再補充報告因為剛才說學生的表現那種隨機取樣那代表的是老師支持孩子的教學"},{"start":6539.889,"end":6540.61,"text":"部長你到底會不會討論這件事情啦?"},{"start":6554.113,"end":6560.215,"text":"委員你先聽我說好了這短短的幾年高中值增1400多位的員額這是幾十年我們做的改變聽起來你只是拿一些舊的過去有做的東西而教師團體跟教育現場還沒有辦法滿意但是你卻沒有辦法去做其實這邊我真的差一點快要忍不住跟你說到了你對於老師的支持只是做一些奇奇怪怪的這些爭盟的課程嗎"},{"start":6580.343,"end":6587.168,"text":"包括幼兒園生殖品我們也做調整你現在教育是全面性的教育部在這幾年其實我相信一定有苦勞但是真的也是爭議不斷那我們今天談到的學習歷程檔案的部分不管是洪孟凱委員不管是柯志恩委員我們都提到了學習歷程檔案還是沒有脫離軍備競賽所以過去我們希望給孩子檢壓事上不然否則怎麼會有這麼多的廣告可以讓家長"},{"start":6608.782,"end":6635.449,"text":"想要躍躍欲試去買這些出價就可以來有寫手吸引家長去買假的活動甚至於贏對的經歷那甚至於有這個叫做一條龍服務我看了都快昏倒了可以從這個從來沒有的檔案中去無中生有甚至於可以蒐集沒有參加過的這個證書他也可以給你那最後你沒有做過的研究小論文他也可以伸出來給你叫價十幾萬二十幾萬三十幾萬都有是誰造成這樣的一個市場的"},{"start":6636.349,"end":6651.641,"text":"是誰造成有這樣的市場需求的所以部長我想要面對問題否則這7年回頭看起來你自己可能會覺得很暢然所以今天部長我在這邊請教你我們看到的都是指於討論新聞你有沒有發現這樣子在學校裡面找寫手一條龍服務的具體個案有沒有看到有沒有去查緝過到這樣的一個廣告你有做過處理嗎"},{"start":6660.658,"end":6670.128,"text":"根文報告,如果學校有一些迎對跟涉及教育學有關收費的這部分教育部不只是嚴格的行文要求而且會重層發聲的學校跟個別的指導教授有沒有發現具體的個案"},{"start":6680.879,"end":6681.299,"text":"到目前有沒有發現具體的個案?"},{"start":6681.299,"end":6681.879,"text":"部長到現在有沒有發現現在這些新聞報導中具體的個案有或沒有?"},{"start":6681.879,"end":6682.28,"text":"有沒有人去找這個寫手或者是用一條龍壺用買的?"},{"start":6682.28,"end":6682.6,"text":"目前有沒有查到具體的個案?"},{"start":6682.6,"end":6682.9,"text":"部長有沒有查到具體的個案?"},{"start":6700.247,"end":6704.872,"text":"我現在問你的很清楚你到底中文好不好啊我問你有沒有這樣的個案有沒有學生去做這樣的事情被你查到有沒有"},{"start":6719.582,"end":6724.704,"text":"委員學生有沒有去處理這個除非我們像偵查一樣但是我們認為所以你有沒有查到過你有沒有查到過除非有人檢舉嗎真的對你非常的失望當媒體這麼具體寫得沸沸揚揚的時候而您在這裡的備詢一問三不知你只要答你自己想答的而委員詢問你的你完全不針對問題我想不針對問題這問題永遠不會解決所以這一點我對你非常失望"},{"start":6749.474,"end":6764.823,"text":"所以看起來是有,對嗎?這個本來就遏止文化委員,你如果把被審資料的當時也都是類似的情況,你就會知道這不是學習歷程才造成的。我們為什麼要請大學的老師...學習歷程檔案的利益跟初衷我們從來沒有否定過。但上路以後的配套跟執行以及它的困難,還有我們需不需要一邊檢討一邊滾動式的來看怎麼做修正。"},{"start":6776.59,"end":6779.153,"text":"這些問題才不會產生到家長會覺得壓力大到孩子覺得壓力大到不知怎麼去處理所以我想北溪在這邊請教你既然有具體的個案也有查到這樣的廣告那我們有沒有什麼法則"},{"start":6793.339,"end":6807.869,"text":"因為他是一個廣告不是說他就是一個什麼事實啦那學生有這樣做的話我們對他有沒有法權當然啊跟委員報告如果代寫代書第一個在甄選其中就立刻取消資格入學就取消入學資格這是很重的懲罰喔"},{"start":6809.281,"end":6816.689,"text":"這當然是很重的懲罰但是我希望教育部長更主動一點有這樣的一個事情我們應該去想方設法到底要怎麼樣遏止不管是去調整甚至於有很多的這些學生都有在講學習歷程檔案占我們申請的20%真的太重我們有沒有考慮過要往下調整有沒有考慮過"},{"start":6831.145,"end":6831.665,"text":"所以我們現在還是會維持20%?還是會維持著?"},{"start":6856.457,"end":6883.571,"text":"應該說我們只有一個學測不超過50%其中應該尊重學校啊我想部長其實我們很了解當然不是只有我在跟你談學習生檔案你偏要跟我談其他20%以外的這80%那我想我也會請昭偉找一個時間真的要好好來排學習生檔案好好跟你說一說即便你520現在沒有被徵詢但是這政策是延續的你也要為趙改富很大的一個責任在不是520拍拍屁股走人的這些難題留給下一任的部長這樣我們是看不下去的了"},{"start":6883.911,"end":6891.018,"text":"委員我從來不是這樣的認識態度委員如果台灣的孩子在全世界的表現委員你把它否決你就否定了所有老師教育同學的努力但是更遺憾的是我們今天很多委員應該都會針對學生輔導法跟學校營養午餐法"},{"start":6903.391,"end":6928.332,"text":"在這次報告當中我們都沒有看到很明確的把它提出來那我想學生輔導法或者是學校營養午餐的專法這件事情是我們教育文化委員會所有委員大家都非常希望能夠趕快把它有進度的那剛剛聽到的是學生輔導法以及我們的學校營養午餐專法那現在的進度到哪裡了能不能在520之前也就是您卸任之前讓它有具體的進度"},{"start":6930.234,"end":6932.756,"text":"跟委員報告學生輔導法已經在行政院審慮有關午餐專法近期我們就會送行政院"},{"start":6939.636,"end":6967.604,"text":"好我想學生輔導法我們其實現在教育部跑得也很快我們也有編預算希望趕快上路來做那2億7千萬的預算不管是給國立大專院校私立大專院校但是目前還是有五成左右大學是沒有達成的因為我們很清楚知道當我們預先撥補的預算經費可是我們卻沒有法律依據是沒有強制力的所以因此雖然我們趕快把預算編了這值得讚許但是法沒有上路我想執行"},{"start":6968.584,"end":6968.824,"text":"總統有把握嗎?"},{"start":6992.043,"end":7013.156,"text":"委員我說近期就會送行政院也跟院長政委報告這方面送院後能夠儘快安排審議的行程好我們希望這兩件事情我們能夠儘快7年在這裡您有很多的貢獻當然也有很多的爭議但是教育是延續的我們希望520不管您在或不在好的政策要把它延續下去那有問題的部分我們要儘快修正謝謝好謝謝委員"},{"start":7015.39,"end":7030.098,"text":"好我們謝謝萬委員也謝謝部長那接下來我們是我先說明一下因為等一下因為現在是10點半我們在第7位葛如軍委員答詢完畢之後我們就休息5分鐘好嗎好現在我們請我們的范芸范委員謝謝召委有請部長"},{"start":7040.729,"end":7053.258,"text":"委員好部長好我想我今天主要要聚焦的就是特教的生師衝突我想部長非常了解就是去年我想這是您任內的一個很大的成果我們把愧為14年沒有修的特教法就是修完了也讓它上路了我們不分黨派都支持要給特教生跟師更多的資源更多的支持"},{"start":7069.108,"end":7073.012,"text":"可是我想部長您也有看到就是剛剛也有委員詢問過了這兩天在很多的群組頻傳的一個影片那很多民眾他們看到的是老師的安全問題就是說學生打老師但是有經驗的老師應該就會看到就是說這個是一個特教生師衝突"},{"start":7094.292,"end":7123.142,"text":"那也是我們的相關的政策普特融合下就是很可能是老師沒有得到足夠的支持那我不知道部長同不同意這個分析就是說老師很可能沒有得到足夠的支持特別是科目老師若不是特教老師的話他面臨到可能是情緒障礙的特教生那媒體的報導是說甚至可能會有暴力的傾向我們並不知道因為這是媒體的報導"},{"start":7124.262,"end":7136.855,"text":"如何避免這樣的狀況剛剛有委員要求說您跟各縣市政府的教育局盡快的開會我想不管是盡快的開會或者是教育部針對這個媒體報導是臺北市的高中的案例"},{"start":7141.079,"end":7163.659,"text":"做一個仔細的了解分析那我想您必須要盡快給我們教育文化委員會一個調查報告包含這個檢討如何在避免這樣的悲劇發生因為我覺得這是雙數那我們要讓所有的現場的老師安心也要讓特教生跟他的家長安心那部長是不是可以做到呢"},{"start":7164.86,"end":7171.846,"text":"我想對這個個案的部分在第一時間我們也請臺北教育局那校方這邊就這個事項再進一步的做瞭解當然這個委員剛才提到後續瞭解的這些相關的提醒跟因應我們會做一些後續的會商跟措施這個到時候再提供給委員來參考"},{"start":7190.342,"end":7198.968,"text":"可不可以給我們一個教文委員會一個調查報告跟包含就是說未來如何改善病毒可以喔那兩個月的時間夠嗎可以可以喔好那謝謝部長喔那另外就是剛剛陳培委員有問到就是我跟陳培委員我們開了一個記者會針對另外一個特教生師衝突剛剛呢是高中的普特融合現在呢是宜蘭的某國小"},{"start":7217.56,"end":7221.626,"text":"特教班是專門給特教生的居然發生嚴重的體罰案我這邊整理的就是因為這個都有驗傷的還有就是有相關的影像包含把特教生的嘴巴撐開強迫餵食"},{"start":7233.624,"end":7249.796,"text":"用束帶把學生雙手捆綁於椅子還有剛剛陳柏宇委員的影片我們有看到用拉筋的方式教學童數1到50那這個學童是自閉症跟智能障礙這一類的還有扳學童的手指還有用腳踹學童有驗傷單還有體罰是要學童雙腳撐在椅子上雙手撐地15分鐘我們現在講的是婦幼是幼稚園"},{"start":7261.764,"end":7278.187,"text":"還有說因為要訓練學童穿衣在冷氣房把學童的衣服上衣脫掉讓學童被嚇到尿褲子那我想不知道部長有沒有看到這個部分我們這邊給部長看到十幾秒這個媒體的報導你看這個影像是這樣子剛剛那個老師你就看到他現在踢小孩那這個部分是有被錄到的"},{"start":7287.329,"end":7312.21,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":7312.692,"end":7324.042,"text":"這個事情我們看到的是剛剛陳培文有講過記者會之後宜蘭縣政府的教育局把原本情節不重大的一個調查結果改成情節重大那可是呢成處都是"},{"start":7330.107,"end":7343.613,"text":"關閉一年,我想問部長,你覺得你剛剛看到這個東西,現在我們看到的資訊跟影像,陳培宇委員的影像跟我的影像,這個是不是情節重大,還是情節不重大,如果您是調查委員的話?"},{"start":7345.313,"end":7365.344,"text":"跟委員報告當然這個相關的整體事項可能用直接影片那個影片可以看得出來如果都是當事老師當事學生絕對是不妥當那情節您認為如果您是調查委員是重大還不重大跟委員報告如果就宜蘭縣的目前的調查他們在最後認定的這個會議"},{"start":7366.485,"end":7366.685,"text":"議員：邀請教育部長潘文忠"},{"start":7383.777,"end":7384.838,"text":"您認為這樣的一個老師﹖剛剛影片看到提小孩的老師﹖還有我剛剛講的這麼多的情節﹖他還適合擔任特教生的老師嗎?"},{"start":7407.11,"end":7416.599,"text":"委員如果已涉及到情節重大而且又是這樣的方式去提罰甚至用比較不好的叫另一代學生的這方面確實是不適合的連部長都認為不適合了可是呢"},{"start":7422.404,"end":7440.615,"text":"移蘭教育局的決定已經後來改口情節重大原本調查委員說不重大可是陳楚是一樣的一年後這個人就可以再當老師而且因為他本身是三昭的完全沒有特教資格沒有老師資格這樣的人來當特教班的老師因為他本來就沒有這個資格了所以一年之後他去任何一個幼稚園"},{"start":7450.12,"end":7474.418,"text":"其實據說是可以當老師的所以我覺得這個除了個案之外我覺得它反映了我們的制度有蠻大的問題那如果連潘部長你都認同這樣的人不適合當老師的話你看一下我們現在的相關法制第一個就是對調查的結果家長特教生的家長特教生是可能表達能力沒有辦法那麼清楚的家長如果對這個調查結果他是無法救濟的"},{"start":7477.9,"end":7504.578,"text":"調查結果不只拿不到報告然後無法救濟懲處的結果也無法救濟也就是說家長如果沒有辦法找到立委開記者會的話可能剛剛那個案子就是情節不重大了所以這個代表就是說那不是每個家長都願意站出來願意跟立委開記者會那我們來看一下我們在別的制度下其實家長的待遇是不同的跟學生"},{"start":7504.938,"end":7505.798,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":7522.924,"end":7526.427,"text":"獲得調查報告、調查結果、救濟,但成處結果無法救濟。又照法,很遺憾的,雖然我們也修過了又照法,可是這三個部分都還是沒有,那這個特教生的事件,"},{"start":7538.996,"end":7559.324,"text":"就是讓我們看到其實幼照法這個方面的制度也讓家長跟特教生處於不利的狀況那這樣的生師衝突我們前面看到的是高中生就是說是普教融合現在看到的是特教班是本來我們要給更多的資源然後現場發聲這樣那我想這個部分"},{"start":7562.225,"end":7582.463,"text":"就是制度問題我想謝姐我就不講了我覺得教育部應該要去演繹所以我想問的事情是第一個剛剛教育部已經承諾了針對臺北市這個高中特教生普教融合的個案怎麼去檢討如何避免能不能夠提供教師足夠的支持第二個我想請"},{"start":7584.505,"end":7589.93,"text":"潘部長也承諾應該要監督宜蘭縣政府年齡剛剛都不認同他們的懲處結果那為什麼會對特幼班能夠有這樣的狀況然後變來變去的調查結果結果還認為一年後這個老師還是事任教師所以呢宜蘭縣政府他們對特幼班事件的調查跟認定"},{"start":7608.826,"end":7613.354,"text":"是不是有任何的為師沒有遵守你們相關規定的部分這個部分潘部長可以先針對宜蘭這個個案也去做調查嗎?"},{"start":7618.479,"end":7635.294,"text":"好 謝謝委員我想對宜蘭縣政府這個剛才在過程稍微說明但教育部在2月29因為有提到說這個不只是可能這一位孩子還有可能涉及園內的其他所以我們已經要求宜蘭縣教育處要重新再做審議這個審議當然就會處理到後續的結果的組織"},{"start":7644.422,"end":7662.98,"text":"這部分在制度上我也並跟委員報告確實他現在在認定委員會已經把他以重大事件來做處理清潔重大但是在很多之間以我們的母法本來不管停聘年度他有一個期券"},{"start":7663.721,"end":7663.921,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7688.695,"end":7689.255,"text":"關於我們之前修法要求要求教育部有一個不適任教育的系統"},{"start":7707.731,"end":7724.804,"text":"但是我們發現就是如果他被停聘期間可以查到他被停聘可是一旦停聘跟公告期間過了系統上就再也查不出這個老師有情節重大的相關的這種霸凌案所以他如果再聘他的別的學校都不會知道"},{"start":7726.124,"end":7739.13,"text":"這個制度是不是有疏漏影響到學生跟家長的權益跟憂心我想部長也一併理解好不好那最後我想今天因為時間有限只剩27秒我想剛剛講的是宜蘭縣的個案那針對我講就是幼兒園失對生像這種嚴重的事件已經是違法了"},{"start":7750.315,"end":7777.453,"text":"我們的心智上路到現在是不是可以整體檢視執行的情況包含案件數、調查結果、終局處理因為我想不是只有宜蘭縣可能別的縣市也都會有還有行為人提出救濟的相關數據我們了解實情之後在針對目前的法規包含就是被害人沒有當事人地位又叫完全是這樣的話那是不是需要檢討能不能提出可行的解決方案"},{"start":7777.913,"end":7786.321,"text":"那都可以給本席還有教育委員一個報告好不好好 謝謝那多久內可以給我們的報告這個確實我們執行一年那也可以更了解縣市現在在執行這方面的狀況當然我也跟委員報告一個事情因為現在有這個制度的建立確實對於有一些案件"},{"start":7798.251,"end":7798.871,"text":"接下來我們請葛如君葛委員"},{"start":7842.065,"end":7845.086,"text":"主席有請教育部長潘部長備詢你好部長今天是我第一次透過質詢的方式與您探討我所關心的教育議題首先我想先替全國的家長以及學生送您一份禮物請問部長知道我手上拿的這個是什麼嗎"},{"start":7871.903,"end":7872.383,"text":"請教育部長收下：能不能請這個部長到主席台前"},{"start":7901.484,"end":7902.025,"text":"我今天這個大禮送給部長禮拜三我們會考察機房請您記得帶去貼"},{"start":7923.7,"end":7946.081,"text":"我今天是替全國的家長學生非常嚴肅來送部長這個龍吾霸格的春聯那我想這個禮物呢非常非常的重要原因是我們現在正值高中生上傳學習履歷的時期上週教育部呢位於科技大樓的機房卻發生火災"},{"start":7947.574,"end":7966.745,"text":"造成電力設備熔斷相關的學術網路全面斷線教育部國家圖書館科學教育館等等的網站都沒有辦法連上甚至有學校發出公告因為教育部科技大樓機房電力是目前發生火災造成本校學習歷程"},{"start":7967.725,"end":7987.498,"text":"系統間歇性不穩定中斷112學年度上學期課程的學習成果的補件以及教室認證的時間必須延後全國學生及家長可以說是膽戰心驚希望考得好成績累積得好學習歷程累積得好"},{"start":7987.958,"end":8011.654,"text":"但是他們卻非常的擔心偶心力血完成的學習歷程的檔案會復之一炬復之一炬通常我們都不講說不一定真的是燒起來但結果真的是燒起來首先請部長簡要說明這一次的火災教育部受到的影響的資訊通訊服務受到影響到底有哪些一共花了多少的時間才恢復正常的運作"},{"start":8012.242,"end":8012.602,"text":"不好意思"},{"start":8032.779,"end":8034.981,"text":"不好意思部長我想問的是花了多少時間才恢復運轉受到影響的直通服務有哪些跟委員報告這個我剛為什麼說是因為消防隊灑了水以後要去修復這個純粹是電力的部分他們一直到傍晚"},{"start":8054.501,"end":8064.044,"text":"午後電力恢復後 所有的應該不到一天晚上的時間就所有的電力恢復之後因為所有系統都沒有受到傷害早上5點多發生晚上8點多才恢復正常運轉整整將近15個小時待會我們再來分享這15個小時有多嚴重我先請問部長火災原因調查的結果到底是什麼剛剛有說這個電力但什麼原因造成了火災"},{"start":8083.168,"end":8109.257,"text":"因為跟委員報告科技大樓是教育部的資科師只有在那邊有兩個樓層他是整棟的大樓的電力系統所以他這個系統火災原因還在調還沒出來因為那個他們是專業要他們鑑定來說明好那我們什麼時候可以知道調查的結果這個我們就再促請他消防單位可以壓一個時間部長謝謝這個我們是不是可以跟委員報告可能我們再聯繫那個消防的單位"},{"start":8110.934,"end":8131.661,"text":"我想這個時間希望我們可以在兩週可以嗎這個比較不是教育部有辦法直接去我們已經喊請他們了因為外界一方面我們想要知道這個電力道怎麼發生火災原因的調查請收到之後立刻通知讓大家都知道那教育部是否有檢討如何避免火災事故再次發生"},{"start":8132.481,"end":8132.781,"text":"這次的資安事件"},{"start":8156.747,"end":8168.049,"text":"其實並不是只是火災這已經被定義為資安事件在資安通報當中部長知道我們這一次的事件被數位部定為第幾級的資安事件嗎?"},{"start":8170.294,"end":8194.272,"text":"部長知道總共有幾級嗎?4級吧?我們是主動通報的事實上第3級已經距離最高級的第4級只差1級第4級叫做動搖國本的資安事件我們距離這樣子的資安事件只有一步之遙第一級是最輕微第4級是最嚴重教育部這一次被數位部認定是第3級的事件非常的嚴重"},{"start":8195.533,"end":8212.11,"text":"難怪教育部的資安問題是持續受到關心這個2021年其實已經發生過一次9月曾經發生因為教育部委外廠商硬碟設定失誤造成81所學校一共7854名的學生25210件的學習歷程檔案的遺失"},{"start":8220.318,"end":8230.864,"text":"除了火災之外,備份也很重要,學生非常重視,老師也很重視。請教一下部長,知不知道我們這個備份在原則上應該有幾份?至少兩個。"},{"start":8233.982,"end":8260.503,"text":"事實上我們都希望應該是三份這是一個資安的321的原則而且這三份還要不同的媒體二就是要有地端跟雲端要在不同的地方同時還分線上跟線下一是你至少要有一份離線的備存那我希望這個教育部還要再加油兩份可以說是太少了希望資安知識還可以再增加那依照教育部公佈的流程"},{"start":8262.565,"end":8272.473,"text":"學習歷程檔案的上傳一共分為兩個階段第一階段將學生的這個檔案上傳到學校端的平台第二階段學校集中上傳到教育部的學習歷程中心資料庫當時發生的情況是檔案儲存在學校端還沒上傳到資料庫被工程師一鍵刪除"},{"start":8281.961,"end":8302.386,"text":"過去的錯誤已經造成了但更重要的我們要如何避免這樣的錯誤不再發生對此我的辦公室曾經多次向教育部詢問事件發生後相關作業流程的SOP如何改善但教育部始終沒有正面的回應因此我要在這裡直接的就教部長在上次的事件發生以後除了加強演練稽查外"},{"start":8303.786,"end":8326.238,"text":"是否有針對工程人員的作業流程改善避免未來一時手滑甚至這一次火燒履歷的情況再次發生就叫部長跟委員報告 委員這個後面我要澄清完全沒有火 聲音是啦 完全不涉及任何的資料沒有火災嗎不是啦 火災沒有火燒學習歷程檔案沒有資料受任何的損害這個禮拜三我想召委特別安排"},{"start":8327.819,"end":8329.74,"text":"請問沒有受到損害是不是有全面的掃描硬碟裡的資料是否有毀損?這次我跟委員報告"},{"start":8348.891,"end":8352.712,"text":"2021��2021年9月其實教育部：一個非常引以為戒的一個疏失：有﹑而且包含異地備援還有我們相關的這一些我想在禮拜三會詳細的把這部分跟昭緯還有韋納：那部長可不可以在此具體承諾未來學習歷程檔案上傳或遺失或毀損或者讓大家膽戰心驚的事件不會再發生："},{"start":8378.885,"end":8384.449,"text":"委員我們現在包含即使的備份的這一些都是SOP裡面的一環如果比如說啦我講的比如說哪一個地方他受到影響不會造成像2021年的這種情況一定不會讓學生還需要再去製作再去什麼上傳接下來的SOP麻煩再更新過來那也希望禮拜三去訪查的時候可以得到好我們詳細再跟委員會報告好那我們接下來還有一個很重要議題我就快速"},{"start":8406.803,"end":8411.727,"text":"學習歷程的亂象頻傳剛剛也非常多委員都提到了我在這邊要告訴部長銷量非常好可以看到圖片的中間那一份銷售出去了20萬份反映出學生的升學壓力真的很大甚至很可能有這種議員的都有受騙的風險請問部長代筆的亂象我想接下來要有很多的機制去遏止這個歪風"},{"start":8436.886,"end":8451.054,"text":"但我想接下來還有非常多的內容都應該要就教育部長有沒有調查過學生沒有意願上傳就學歷程的履歷我們的這個格式也非常的受限我想接下來要讓部長知道我們現在的我最後一個問題請教部長從這個學生上傳學習履歷可以上傳的這個影片的大小"},{"start":8463.08,"end":8483.073,"text":"10MB 請問10MB可以傳幾秒鐘的影片這部分我跟委員報告因為這個過程其實大家一直 包含教育部也跟第一線的教育職同仁來做討論當時會有一些規範就是不要造成 又是無限大啦 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輔導被輔導的孩子來講是很大的一個損失那我覺得這個部分我們再來研議好不好"},{"start":9720.329,"end":9724.432,"text":"我請要回應一下因為如果以學生輔導法關係到專業人員兩部分高中以下當然有一個就是輔導專任教師這個是按照規模持續這幾年也都會逐步的增補而且人數是相當龐大我也提前讓小學再提前在116學年度就能夠聘任完"},{"start":9744.404,"end":9763.472,"text":"委員關切的是專輔人員就包含其他各類的這方面這次在學生輔導法的檢討裡面確實有在這上面做了剛才委員所提到這樣的一個比較大的方向那大學校院也就是用學生比所以目前就是從1比1200到1比900所以大學就是已經朝這個方式來我們再加油謝謝部長"},{"start":9774.921,"end":9775.061,"text":"羅廷偉 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署長這邊給我他們有數據啦大概3000多位沒關係沒關係就大概我們會後都可以再討論更精準的一個數字但我想針對這樣子的一個可能會有可能會導致現場的教學產生問題那我想不只是特教生的一個權益我們一定會維護那一般生他們能不能持續在更穩定的有這樣子一個上課的過程"},{"start":9854.676,"end":9875.738,"text":"我覺得這也是我們要關注的所以在上一次你們有提到特效法的修法要提供這樣子113年到116年總共有1600位的那是專任的特效助理員那每年大概有400位分散到全國那一個縣市分到幾位這個部分數量你覺得夠嗎"},{"start":9877.035,"end":9877.936,"text":"委員一定聽過有很多家長有這個心聲"},{"start":9892.168,"end":9892.188,"text":"蘇貞昌議員"},{"start":9922.388,"end":9950.336,"text":"大概有220位如果以這次的計畫我想每個委員都很關心包括特教員他們的一個薪資﹑人數其實這個部分都值得我們再深深的探討那沒關係我先大概先這樣問因為今天時間有限另外想再詢問一下就是2月下旬所發生的亞洲卑南藍急訓的一個事件其中一個爭議是保險的一個部分那目前體育署你組保險國家隊目前辦理的狀況如何還需要多少的時間"},{"start":9951.882,"end":9971.468,"text":"這部分我跟委員報告,確實從這一次我們劉征隊長他在這一次的讓我們對有關籃球國家代表隊有好多的這個制度有做了一些瞭解跟做改變那這當中有關保險的這部分確實我也請署長親自的跟協會還有球員的工會做瞭解"},{"start":9976.169,"end":9991.613,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":9991.613,"end":9991.633,"text":"獲得獎項"},{"start":10012.102,"end":10014.305,"text":"外籍優秀的球員來做規劃能夠加入這是3個目前體育署政治部長積極在處理那下一個我們目前有關籃球的組隊應該會在11月前所以我們會以這個時間做一個努力目標"},{"start":10028.183,"end":10030.064,"text":"我們會朝這個目標來努力因為這個確實國家支持國家的選手國家隊的選手本來就理所當然我們一起來關注體育"},{"start":10048.277,"end":10048.617,"text":"您知道王健宣部長嗎?"},{"start":10067.35,"end":10087.284,"text":"王部長我知道對不起他曾經在民間推出一個撿回珍珠計劃你知道嗎哪一個民間推出過一個撿回珍珠計劃撿回珍珠計劃我知道王部長很提及只是他計劃名稱我沒那麼熟悉他就是補助貧困的學生繼續學業"},{"start":10088.305,"end":10100.551,"text":"每位學生高中三年的學費住宿費由學校負擔愛心人士給予每位學生三年的生活補助我想這個部分我想跟你帶到的是我想台灣有沒有類似這樣子的一個計畫"},{"start":10102.097,"end":10120.872,"text":"跟委員報告,我想民間有這樣的善心,包括王部長這樣去認養相關他們認為有需要的這些措施,我想確實有機會那政府這邊,大概我也跟委員報告,因為偏鄉弱勢的孩子一直也是我們努力協助的重點"},{"start":10121.673,"end":10128.777,"text":"所以當時偏鄉為什麼會有設置這個偏鄉學校發展條例也就是說因為這些確實是資源不夠那對個別事項上我也跟委員報告像我們執行夜光天使方案或執行午餐不足午餐不足一年委員知道大概是用21億的經費來協助這些困難的那還有一個就是學習弱勢就是說他課業有時候跟不上的這一方面"},{"start":10149.631,"end":10163.927,"text":"政府大概是會用不同面向大概比較不會說所住單一的學生部長沒關係那其實就是要跟你帶到夜光天使的計畫我想目前辦理的狀況我覺得有沒有什麼困境您大概知道嗎"},{"start":10165.001,"end":10192.504,"text":"因為當時夜光天使是鎖定在12歲以下的孩子啦因為12歲以下依我們依法萬一爸爸媽媽比如單親啦隔代 隔代下游還好可能阿公阿嬤還有照顧現在怕的是爸爸媽媽或爸爸媽媽忙於工作根本孩子就單獨回家了我點出問題點啦您聽聽看喔夜光天使的計畫我覺得本席是非常的支持那我想這些孩童呢我覺得寒暑假有沒有同樣的"},{"start":10193.285,"end":10211.34,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":10211.42,"end":10235.487,"text":"委員這個如果要再試推我們可以來研議但是我跟委員報告因為現在我剛才跟你們說政府會比較用幾種措施應應不同的需求像暑假期間除了我們本來就有那個叫夏日熱血的方案就是在幫助說你可以在暑假只是他可能沒有辦法委員說他是全天候但是暑假就不讓他空白"},{"start":10236.527,"end":10238.928,"text":"另外有沒有可能吸引夜光天使點燈專案計畫能夠擴展到國中?"},{"start":10253.232,"end":10281.73,"text":"這個就是我剛才為什麼說因為他從97年開始推那時候我在部裡頭服務也瞭解當時為什麼會鎖定12歲以下因為這個小小孩真的需要多一些包含照顧這件事因為沒有大人在家把他放在家這個也怪但是12歲一直也是我們在想說孩子可能對於居家因為現在你說國中大概就超過這個我們如果用法規來講偶像法大概是以12歲"},{"start":10282.591,"end":10302.964,"text":"我的建議是希望有機會可以擴展到國中來規劃那個就是我跟委員報告就是說為什麼我說我們用不同的比如說他是因為吃飯的問題他是課業要協助的問題我們有幾種措施事實上在幫助這些有需要的孩子如果高國中以上的孩子甚至比較大的孩子"},{"start":10303.724,"end":10306.326,"text":"我想本席非常支持這樣的計畫並且認為一定要力推我想教育部應該把資源放在這裏面而不是只放一小部分就是所謂的12歲以下"},{"start":10326.539,"end":10344.879,"text":"因為推動這樣子的一個計畫我覺得國中生他下課的時候如果他沒有地方去他更有可能被有心人士吸收造成身心的發展安全的疑慮我想這個部分是我們可以去重視的一個議題所以我想在這邊特別提出那這邊跟您做一個分享好嗎"},{"start":10346.019,"end":10349.462,"text":"謝謝委員這個關切 如果可行我們是不是從部分來試辦"},{"start":10375.399,"end":10402.137,"text":"好 那當然有機會我當然是爭取台中可以先行事辦那另外想跟你提問一下公私立高中指弱勢學生納營養午餐的補助範疇我想依據中央補助地方政府的午餐營養午餐的致用要點我們可以看到目前各縣市政府辦理弱勢學生的一個營養午餐僅限於公立的國民中小學還有完全中學的國中部"},{"start":10402.637,"end":10422.351,"text":"我想部長112學年度第二學期只要具有中華民國國民的高級中等學校均不必繳納學費考量營養午餐對於我們孩童的身心發展我覺得這也蠻重要的是不是有這個機會對於我剛剛所提到的公私立高中子弱勢學生納營養午餐這個補助範疇也能夠來做考量"},{"start":10426.254,"end":10450.9,"text":"委員報告如果是有關弱勢學生餐費的這部分這部分我們來做一個審酌目前確實有部分是納進來但倒不是全面你可以評估看看嗎我們來評估一下因為離島等等我們有但是這個跟委員如果因為我們大家都最近在關心午餐專法因為高中值的用餐型態真的很多元"},{"start":10451.6,"end":10467.785,"text":"委員大概也知道跟國中小的孩子不太一樣如果是在弱勢孩子的協助這方面我想我們來做一個評估但是如果屬於在整體性的這方面我想高中有好多學校比較像大學的那種形態"},{"start":10468.385,"end":10495.89,"text":"但是就像我剛剛所說的公司立了高中職都不用繳納學費了我想營養午餐有這個機會能夠納入弱勢學子的部分是我們可以來做一個評估的會後我們再做一個深度的看看另外剩30幾秒我想跟您分享一下因為我本身擔任過議員我們台中市議會在審核教育局的一個預算的時候發現每年編列大概將近1000萬的一個預算來補助孩童的課桌椅那整個要換完大概要3億"},{"start":10496.63,"end":10498.833,"text":"委員這個當然以教育部都是跟縣市是共同在做協助預算有限"},{"start":10511.812,"end":10512.593,"text":"安全有關第一優先"},{"start":10532.773,"end":10533.213,"text":"謝謝主席 請潘部長"},{"start":10566.114,"end":10580.411,"text":"部長早安等我們第11屆的第一個會期第一次質詢就面臨到我們教育部在這邊本席要先肯定我們教育部對於高中職免學費以及補助私立大專院校學費這個政策"},{"start":10583.175,"end":10587.159,"text":"司令大專院校的部分是從注冊單上面就直接的扣除減免這個是讓有就學孩子的家庭非常有感的一個協助減輕了司令學校孩子跟家庭的這個壓力讓念書也不再是壓力讓家長跟孩子都能夠"},{"start":10601.596,"end":10601.856,"text":"謝謝委員 這個也是總統還有我們總統當選人 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這方面我想這42個學校都是有意願而且他們也應該更積極在嘗試所以如果有好的這些推動的經驗能夠做基礎我相信在全國500多所學校高中子在進行的時候應該會更順利"},{"start":10793.493,"end":10798.934,"text":"接下來跟部長討論一下我國高障人才培育相關的政策那過去本席在質詢的時候也提出過我國STEM的育育人才大量減少這個問題那在這邊本席也先肯定教育部我們也沒有積極的在辦理目前有核定18座重點產業的人才培育基地這裡面包含有半導體智慧智障人工智慧以及電動車等等相關的產業就是未來會有大發展也集區這樣的人才的一些重點產業"},{"start":10821.92,"end":10825.964,"text":"教育部合計每年超過1000個外加招生名額：並與產業合作來攜手培育重點產業所需要的人才目前6間大專院校的半導體學院已經在112學年度開始招生請問部長那其他在半導體之外的這些其他領域的研究學院有預計的招生的期程嗎"},{"start":10845.321,"end":10874.17,"text":"公文報告如果就研究學院的十一校十二個學院目前都在招生都已招生了因為有些是成立的比較慢的也在做籌備招生中他們的運作在這方面就教育部所掌握到的在從他們招生的競爭程度就可以知道確實吸引了很多優秀的這些有意願的學生想參與"},{"start":10874.79,"end":10881.516,"text":"這些名額呢我們一千多人呢就是陸陸續續的其實都有招生進來了那我想請教一下半導體學院在112年合併的招生人數是655人那我們的名額就大概佔了一半了一半多那也就是說剩下的其他領域的招生人數大概也只有跟半導體學院總和差不多那這樣子我們的名額是夠的嗎"},{"start":10899.879,"end":10903.521,"text":"跟委員報告因為這個也要謝謝我們大院委員會這邊的全力支持那個產學創新條例其實是國內一個非常突破性的一個法律能夠把它解開過去我們對學校有好多好多的限制那當時教育部這邊也提到因為這是一個高階科技技術人才的養成所以當時在名額上我們就是以碩博為主"},{"start":10925.589,"end":10943.473,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":10943.593,"end":10944.975,"text":"部長的意思就是說相關的領域的人才培育後續也有可能再繼續增加?"},{"start":10959.783,"end":10986.728,"text":"委員指的是其他領域嗎對領域這部分一定要大家有共識因為當時就是以我們大院當時提的就是以重點產業領域為主並不是所有的科技目前我們大概是7個重點領域7大重點領域除了半導體循環經濟智慧科技等等那當中也包含金融國際傳播還有政治經濟部長當然"},{"start":10987.268,"end":11007.096,"text":"我們對於這個高階的這些人才培育我們都非常重視因爲我們台灣其實我們的科技領域的研究一直在世界上都是名列前茅那也希望說我們教育部能夠很積極的來辦理這些相關的高科技領域人才的培育讓我們台灣可以一直有這樣的優勢那如果說我們的產業界有這樣的需求也希望說我們在我們的產學這三方面都能夠因應這樣子的需求來做調整來做檢討"},{"start":11016.3,"end":11016.32,"text":"閱讀委員"},{"start":11046.22,"end":11076.22,"text":" 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是這樣子所以部長是認同的因為目前我們的系統當中認為退休以後就是"},{"start":13681.304,"end":13682.927,"text":"另外,孩子年輕人的教育"},{"start":13691.322,"end":13717.536,"text":"我們現在年輕的教育很重要就是培養出來以後要知道他們在什麼環境生存培養他剛才講的就是培養人才能夠適應環境在未來能夠成為國家棟樑明年畢業的孩子跨出校園他踏出這個社會台灣就進入超高齡社會了五個人就有一個人超過65歲"},{"start":13721.13,"end":13743.517,"text":"2034年大概這孩子嘛在10年後這孩子30出頭了應該人生開始要起步嘛32例台灣一半人口已經超過50歲了2040年台灣65歲以上的人占人口的三分之一也就是說這個孩子是在的一生都在什麼社會高齡社會裡面"},{"start":13745.366,"end":13756.219,"text":"請問我不曉得教育部的這些長官們現在我們所培養的這些孩子你們設定他們未來在社會當中的那個競爭的生態是什麼生態"},{"start":13758.038,"end":13786.804,"text":"我現在時間有限我問過一個大學校長他們都設定了都是一個我們的社會永遠是青春無敵的社會其實我看了早上的那個教育部的這份簡報大概是這樣設定我們的社會永遠是一個青春無敵的社會事實上這個是大錯特錯我們在我們如果戰場都設定錯誤的話現在所做的教育規劃可能是有問題的所以呢也就是為什麼我要提出來"},{"start":13789.045,"end":13815.823,"text":"就是說不管這樣的一個結果我們對於高齡者因為沒有給他們一個好的引導所以台灣的高齡者現在平均臥床到8.9年高齡化的結果是倒下來年輕人因為培養出來以後他的戰場找不到自己的戰場所以不敢結婚結了婚不敢生小孩這就是少子化最大的生態的問題所以後來成為躺平族"},{"start":13816.443,"end":13830.121,"text":"也就是說在現行的教育體制下我們整個的社會導向了就是一邊就是躺成一片一邊臥床一邊躺平那我覺得剛才提到的這個是一個大方向"},{"start":13831.684,"end":13855.124,"text":"好那今天呢因為我要提了前面的論述太久就是其實60歲以後現在如果我們平均已經80幾歲了其實如果已經到60歲平均會到90也就是會展開二三十年之間的第三人生但是我們現在的這個第三人生缺乏描述沒有政策沒有產業沒有包括個人也都覺得退任我覺得這是教育部的責任"},{"start":13856.545,"end":13881.05,"text":"所以我們現在怎麼樣來我們現在目前看到教育部的就是終身教育的這一塊終身教育這一塊我們現在的預算只有34億但是我們的60歲上有600萬人34億提供600萬人的教育平均每個高齡者一年的教育預算是台幣57塊"},{"start":13884.163,"end":13910.587,"text":"這是什麼意思呢這就表示我們不重視嘛應該是這樣子吧然後大家的推論就是高齡者對教育沒有興趣大家看看這就是我們終身教育的場景這種場景會有人有興趣嗎所以當然然後說從大家的報名率我們的樂齡大學報名只有4000人600萬人當中只有4000人所以呢這一個"},{"start":13912.283,"end":13927.208,"text":"這個就是我們過去對高齡者缺乏想像教育當中對高齡的歧視缺乏規劃缺乏想像到形塑在我們的政策跟我們的預算編制當中都非常的偏差"},{"start":13929.209,"end":13948.291,"text":"這裡提出來 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林佩祥委員 林佩祥委員鄭正前委員 鄭正前委員 鄭正前委員王美惠委員 王美惠委員 王美惠委員林俊憲委員 林俊憲委員 林俊憲委員邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員何新淳委員 何新淳委員 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婦女會有客人來就去表演跳舞也就罷了但是老師都會說你們穿原住民族服很漂亮啊我們來拍月曆啊可以來那個之類的齁那個在學生的感受很不好而且會覺得自己呢好像變成是學校的表演單位這個我們以前都提過可是為什麼會發生會存在"},{"start":17309.966,"end":17324.254,"text":"專任助理根據教育部給我的資料應該你們也知道但是我不知道後續的一個你們有沒有想到要怎麼改進因為竟然我們專任助理好不容易教育部那麼好50%以上超過一半未滿一年"},{"start":17331.089,"end":17348.328,"text":"也就是說不到一年大家都選擇走人所以這個問題一定是很大所以我覺得在這個部分薪資條件明明我們教育部給的一年人事費一個助理是45萬可是竟然有超過一成六他是拿不到三萬塊"},{"start":17349.847,"end":17360.696,"text":"所以我想這個部分我們都知道問題所在但是我們有沒有後續透過我們的評鑑方式去做修訂那這一次東華大學的事件我自己也請我們東華大學來當然他們已經把這個原資中心拿掉了變成學務處下可是竟然他們學校沒有一個原住民級的老師欸"},{"start":17377.33,"end":17401.117,"text":"一個都沒有欸竟然這樣子也能夠申請原資中心欸那我的意思是說申請原資中心很好因為現在普及率將近百分百九成以上很好因為我們確實需要原民學生大學來關心可是我們更希望的是這一些負責的主管他要有文化敏感度所以我在這邊就是特別就是還是要跟教育部這邊拜託一下我們的孩子齁我是希望"},{"start":17407.98,"end":17421.015,"text":"國小國中高中我們有原教法第34條去規定原住民重點學校的原住民師資比例那大學是沒有但是我覺得原資中心原專班最起碼要去要求"},{"start":17422.056,"end":17422.276,"text":"我稍微帶過可以嗎?"},{"start":17450.281,"end":17459.41,"text":"一分鐘就好原專班也是我們很關心的那我現在這樣子講好了您應該知道一堆原專班正在關因為招不到學生但是呢為什麼因為他同樣的科系種類同時性太多"},{"start":17470.69,"end":17486.209,"text":"我要講的是說是不是到了我們要討論我之前有講過我希望教育部跟原民會討論一下原住民自治法有一天一定會有他是需要有一個原住民自治人才的培育搖籃那就是原住民主大學"},{"start":17486.75,"end":17501.714,"text":"那原住民族大學現在沒有但是我希望要規劃至少我們要培育原住民自治的人才要有哪些學系學門我們要有一個上位然後再去配合各大校應該這些大學院校要配合我們規劃這些學系學門來開設原專班而且原專班一定要設在大學的學門學系學院底下才有充足的師資能力那我先"},{"start":17514.278,"end":17523.507,"text":"稍微這樣帶過那我是希望說教育部是不是也盡量不是盡量去聽一聽辦理公聽會也好收集多方意見希望也只能可以在兩個月內先提出一個期程規劃方案那到時候我們再來討論這樣可以嗎部長"},{"start":17530.233,"end":17550.815,"text":"好,委員就是這,剛才委員關心的這兩個議題都是兩個月啦,不是兩週啦兩個月兩個月對,因為那個真的要兩個月先謝謝委員,這個一直在提醒倡議如果我們從原民研製中心的當時少數的學校到現在全面設置以及專班的設置,其實在概念政策上"},{"start":17551.375,"end":17552.176,"text":"接下來是中嘉賓委員"},{"start":17580.36,"end":17606.88,"text":"總嘉賓委員總嘉賓委員好登記質詢的委員都已經發言完畢另外有林倩琦委員跟呂玉玲委員提出書面質詢那關於今天的會議呢我們就做以下的一個決定那報告及答詢答完畢那委員所有提的這個書面質詢或是相關的資料我們會列入記錄並且刊登公報"},{"start":17608,"end":17622.205,"text":"對於委員質詢要求提供相關的資料或者是沒有答覆完整的部分我們就請相關機關盡速用書面的方法來做一個答覆報告委員會今天的議程處理完畢現在休息謝謝大家"},{"start":17701.135,"end":17701.596,"text":"﹗"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}