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":"2024-11-14T10:43:46.643323+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:43:49.201581+08:00","text":"總統有沒有這樣說？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:43:49.201581+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:43:51.759839+08:00","text":"中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:43:51.759839+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:43:54.318097+08:00","text":"好，你不知道！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:43:54.318097+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:43:56.876355+08:00","text":"國發會，總統有沒有這樣說？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:43:56.876355+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:43:59.434613+08:00","text":"你也不敢說？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:43:59.434613+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:01.992871+08:00","text":"政務官也不敢說！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:01.992871+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:04.551129+08:00","text":"事務官也不敢說！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:04.551129+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:07.109387+08:00","text":"賴總統說的話，你們都不專心聽喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:07.109387+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:09.667645+08:00","text":"中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬，我不是要問你贊不贊成，我是說總統有沒有說過這句話啦，只是問這個事實有沒有發生過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:09.667645+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:12.225903+08:00","text":"總統有沒有說過這句話啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:12.225903+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:14.784161+08:00","text":"這沒有辦法回答嗎？哇！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:14.784161+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:17.342419+08:00","text":"總統講過什麼，你們都不敢回答啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:17.342419+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:19.900677+08:00","text":"總統有沒有這樣說過？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:19.900677+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:22.458935+08:00","text":"陸委會，你有沒有聽總統這樣講過？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:22.458935+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:25.017194+08:00","text":"為什麼一直偷笑？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:25.017194+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:27.575452+08:00","text":"你們偷笑賴總統，這樣不行！","quality":0},{"speaker":"梁副主任委員文傑","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:27.575452+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:30.133710+08:00","text":"賴總統講過這個話。對嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:30.133710+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:32.691968+08:00","text":"我只是要說總統有講過這句話。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:32.691968+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:35.250226+08:00","text":"沒問題嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:35.250226+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:37.808484+08:00","text":"我知道賴總統講過這句話，全國都聽過，你們竟然不敢回答！","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:37.808484+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:40.366742+08:00","text":"來，交通部，如果總統說了中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬，那就是兩國嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:40.366742+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:42.925000+08:00","text":"兩國之間通商的港口是國際港還是國內港？","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:42.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:45.886000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前金門港是國內商港，那……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:46.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:49.928000+08:00","text":"金門是國內港，那金門跟中國大陸往來啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:51.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:54.109000+08:00","text":"這樣算是國際之間的往來還是國內之間的往來？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:54.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:44:54.389000+08:00","text":"你說一下！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:44:54.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:00.992000+08:00","text":"交通部航政司，金門水頭港現在跟大陸廈門港有在往來，兩地之間的往來是國際港還是國內港？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:45:01.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:02.192000+08:00","text":"是國際之間的往來還是國內之間的往來？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:45:02.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:03.132000+08:00","text":"金門跟廈門往來是國內的往來嗎？依照……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:45:03.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:03.412000+08:00","text":"你說我們是國內港啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:45:03.412000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:07.431875+08:00","text":"金門跟廈門往來是什麼往來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:45:07.431875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:45:11.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我們就不用審，我們直接適用就好了嘛，對不對？","quality":0.424},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:47:39.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:47:54.722000+08:00","text":"因為你們也不敢說我們是國內港，你們說我們是國內港，又不敢說我們跟廈門往來，是國際港，也不敢說我們跟它往來是國內往來，你們自己都做不了決定，所以我們在申請自由貿易港區的時候，你們這些單位沒有一個單位敢說Yes，當然也不敢說No。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:47:58.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:03.534000+08:00","text":"最後一題了，對不起，主席，就是這一題，請問交通部，你跟我回答，這個怎麼回答？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:03.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:06.296000+08:00","text":"已經10分鐘了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:06.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:09.777000+08:00","text":"我請交通部回答就好了，不然你幫我回答，看賴總統說的你支不支持？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:09.777000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:12.838000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要回答你的問題？","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:12.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:16.680000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們在金門港埠最近這5年會投入50億……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:16.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:19.141000+08:00","text":"你不要告訴我投資，你告訴我政策，我們要政策。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:19.141000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:20.141000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會儘量支持地方的發展。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:19.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:24.503000+08:00","text":"所以如果我們要申請成為自由貿易港區，交通部支不支持？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:25.003000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:31.003000+08:00","text":"這個部分牽涉到整個離島跟兩岸之間的整體政策……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:31.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:32.303000+08:00","text":"所以呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧代理副司長清泉","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:32.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:34.888714+08:00","text":"應該要審慎來考慮。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:35.188714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:40.331571+08:00","text":"審慎考慮，賴總統說的話，你要聽進去，對不對？","quality":0.056},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:40.631571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:42.060143+08:00","text":"要聽進去吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:42.360143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:47.217286+08:00","text":"要遵照賴總統說的話來執行，對不對？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（呂委員玉玲）","start":"2024-11-14T10:48:47.517286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:48:49.803000+08:00","text":"請邱志偉委員發言。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":807,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（10時40分）謝謝主席，我們請衛福部、陸委會代表，等一下交通部、國發會代表請主動上來。"],["主席：請陸委會、衛福部，還有國發會……"],["陳委員玉珍：國發會跟交通部等一下一起上來，這樣比較快。"],["主席：OK，交通部，謝謝。"],["陳委員玉珍：因為本席的提案和國際醫療特區有關，我先請教陸委會和衛福部，你們覺得開放大陸人士到金門來看診，是不是會讓臺澎金馬門戶大開？衛福部怎麼看？"],["郭專門委員威中：只要是有來臺就醫的需求，我們都支持。"],["陳委員玉珍：都是支持的嘛！現在事實上是不是已經有大陸人士來臺灣本島看診了？也有吧！"],["郭專門委員威中：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：接下來請陸委會代表回答。"],["梁副主任委員文傑：大陸人士到金門的醫院看診現在本來就有了。"],["陳委員玉珍：本來就是開放的嘛！"],["梁副主任委員文傑：本來就有了。"],["陳委員玉珍：本來就有嘛！現在就是已經有小三通，可以到金門來看診嘛！"],["梁副主任委員文傑：對，沒錯啊！"],["陳委員玉珍：這是現行政策，沒錯吧！"],["梁副主任委員文傑：本來就有。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以開放大陸人士到金門看診，現在有讓我們整個臺灣島門戶大開，已經讓大陸人士大舉進攻，變成木馬屠城了嗎？現在發生了嗎？現在有木馬屠城了嗎？"],["梁副主任委員文傑：應該是說讓他們來看診，跟我們設立一個醫療專區，然後有一些其他的措施，那是不一樣的。單純讓大陸人士來看診，這個本來就沒有問題。"],["陳委員玉珍：是嘛！是沒有問題的吧！讓大陸人士來臺看診是沒問題的吧！"],["梁副主任委員文傑：對，沒有問題。"],["陳委員玉珍：陸委會覺得沒問題嘛！所以本席提出這個醫療專區裡頭，當然，相關法令我們跟衛福部也可以再繼續討論，看有哪些規定可以讓整個醫療體系更縝密，這個我可以同意。但是民進黨所提出來的反對意見是說，因為開放大陸人士到金門看診，會讓臺澎金馬門戶大開，還因此封本人為「陳三桂」，說我要讓大陸人士來金門看診，讓臺澎金馬門戶大開，而現在相關部會已經直接打臉了。好，謝謝兩位。","接下來我們請交通部跟國發會。國發會昨天就知道題目了，請問交通部航政司代司長，你看這一句是不是賴總統說的：中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬。有沒有這句話？賴總統有沒有這樣說？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：報告，因為這超出我們交通部的……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是！總統有沒有這樣說？這個報導的媒體是中央社。有沒有這樣說？總統有沒有這樣說你都不敢回答啊！賴總統有沒有這樣說？這是公開說的。你不知道啊？你沒有在注意聽總統講話啊！總統有沒有這樣說？中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬。","好，你不知道！國發會，總統有沒有這樣說？","你也不敢說？政務官也不敢說！事務官也不敢說！賴總統說的話，你們都不專心聽喔！中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬，我不是要問你贊不贊成，我是說總統有沒有說過這句話啦，只是問這個事實有沒有發生過。","總統有沒有說過這句話啦！這沒有辦法回答嗎？","哇！總統講過什麼，你們都不敢回答啊！總統有沒有這樣說過？陸委會，你有沒有聽總統這樣講過？","為什麼一直偷笑？你們偷笑賴總統，這樣不行！"],["梁副主任委員文傑：賴總統講過這個話。"],["陳委員玉珍：對嘛！我只是要說總統有講過這句話。沒問題嘛！我知道賴總統講過這句話，全國都聽過，你們竟然不敢回答！","來，交通部，如果總統說了中華民國與中華人民共和國互不隸屬，那就是兩國嘛！兩國之間通商的港口是國際港還是國內港？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：跟委員報告，目前金門港是國內商港，那……"],["陳委員玉珍：金門是國內港，那金門跟中國大陸往來啊！這樣算是國際之間的往來還是國內之間的往來？你說一下！交通部航政司，金門水頭港現在跟大陸廈門港有在往來，兩地之間的往來是國際港還是國內港？是國際之間的往來還是國內之間的往來？金門跟廈門往來是國內的往來嗎？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：依照……"],["陳委員玉珍：你說我們是國內港啊！金門跟廈門往來是什麼往來？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：因為在89年的時候，院裡面有核定金門港是國內港，依據兩岸條例……"],["陳委員玉珍：89年的時候還沒有開放港口往來。是什麼往來？你告訴我是國內港還是國際港！"],["盧代理副司長清泉：那個時候開放是國內港，因為……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，那現在開放跟廈門往來是國際往來還是國內往來？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：兩岸之間本來就有一個通航的辦法，依照那個辦法，我們來實施相關的作業，讓兩岸旅客和貨物可以互相流通。"],["陳委員玉珍：對、對、對。那廈門跟金門之間的往來是國內往來還是國際往來？廈門是屬於中華人民共和國，金門是屬於中華民國，根據賴總統的說法，兩岸之間是不同國家嘛，互不隸屬。沒疑問嘛！這是總統說的嘛！你要不要遵照賴總統的政策，把它訂為是國際港？金門應該是國際港，不對嗎？還是你覺得賴總統說錯了？交通部，你回去研究一下，這題有很難嗎？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：跟委員報告，因為有這樣的通函辦法，其實我們有相關的……"],["陳委員玉珍：你告訴我是哪個港，為什麼我要問的這一題這麼重要？我不是在考你政治題，因為這關係經濟民生，我今天修離島建設條例要做自由貿易港區，交通部、財政部關務署……關務署在嗎？關務署上來說……對不起，主席，再1分鐘就好了。關務署，快一點。根據自由貿易港區的規定，為什麼要修離島建設條例？大家一定要理解，因為我們基本上想做自由貿易港區，現在臺北、高雄等等地方都有做自由貿易港區，因為他們是屬於國際港。關務署，你是不是告訴我，金門港因為不是國際港，所以不能做自由貿易港區，對吧？因為自由貿易港區要國際港，對吧？"],["陳副署長世鋒：自由貿易港區設管條例是要在國際的通商口岸……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，要在國際的通商口岸嘛。"],["陳副署長世鋒：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：金門是不是呢？"],["陳副署長世鋒：金門目前這樣來看的話，就是依兩岸人民關係條例這邊的講法，當然界定它的定位不是國際港，它有準國際港的……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，我們不是國際港，因為這有一個特別的地位，所以我們才要在離島建設條例特別修這個條例，目的在這裡，不然我們適用現在的法律就好，就是因為你們這些官員都沒有辦法回答，跟賴總統的心都不一樣，都沒有辦法回答，我們只好去訂一個條例，今天要審的這個條例就是為了這個原因而提出來的，不然我們就不用審，我們直接適用就好了嘛，對不對？因為你們也不敢說我們是國內港，你們說我們是國內港，又不敢說我們跟廈門往來，是國際港，也不敢說我們跟它往來是國內往來，你們自己都做不了決定，所以我們在申請自由貿易港區的時候，你們這些單位沒有一個單位敢說Yes，當然也不敢說No。","最後一題了，對不起，主席，就是這一題，請問交通部，你跟我回答，這個怎麼回答？"],["邱委員志偉：已經10分鐘了。"],["陳委員玉珍：我請交通部回答就好了，不然你幫我回答，看賴總統說的你支不支持？"],["邱委員志偉：我為什麼要回答你的問題？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：跟委員報告，其實我們在金門港埠最近這5年會投入50億……"],["陳委員玉珍：你不要告訴我投資，你告訴我政策，我們要政策。"],["盧代理副司長清泉：這個部分我們會儘量支持地方的發展。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以如果我們要申請成為自由貿易港區，交通部支不支持？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：這個部分牽涉到整個離島跟兩岸之間的整體政策……"],["陳委員玉珍：所以呢？"],["盧代理副司長清泉：應該要審慎來考慮。"],["陳委員玉珍：審慎考慮，賴總統說的話，你要聽進去，對不對？要聽進去吧？要遵照賴總統說的話來執行，對不對？謝謝。"],["主席（呂委員玉玲）：請邱志偉委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":174,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-13","speakers":["呂玉玲","鄭正鈐","陳玉珍","許宇甄","徐巧芯","陳亭妃","楊瓊瓔","賴瑞隆","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra 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