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is who啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:56:38.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:56:50.595000+08:00","text":"來，我第一個問題想再請教一下人事長，大家都很關心明年的5月1號能不能全體放假，老生再問一下啦！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:56:51.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:56:53.216000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:56:53.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:03.659000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個議題我們上上禮拜有邀請相關部會來，開會之後……","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:03.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:05.260000+08:00","text":"結論呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:05.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:09.601000+08:00","text":"大家還沒有取得很圓滿的共識啦！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:09.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:15.843000+08:00","text":"你難道沒有在會議裡面，感覺到大家往一起放假的方向走，有沒有？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:17.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:18.691000+08:00","text":"有沒有這個味道出來，有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:19.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:21.593000+08:00","text":"因為那不是我主持的，我不知道，但是……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:21.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:22.693000+08:00","text":"那你有參加嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:22.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:25.755000+08:00","text":"我沒有參加，我請副人事長主持的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:26.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:40.489000+08:00","text":"但是我要跟委員報告，因為我看到這裡面牽涉到一個議題，後來會議紀錄送到我這裡，它提到偏鄉小孩受教權的問題，坦白講，對我內心是會有一點衝擊。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:40.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:41.529000+08:00","text":"所以應該要放假，不是這樣嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:41.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:42.550000+08:00","text":"不應該放假，如果再放下去，他們上課的時間又變短了。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:42.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:44.551000+08:00","text":"5月1號不能放假就對了？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:44.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:45.705800+08:00","text":"那個議題他們是反對放假放太多了。好啦！","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:45.705800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:46.860600+08:00","text":"你還是反對5月1號放假就對了，記起來，把你記住。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:46.860600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:48.015400+08:00","text":"那不是我反對的喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:48.015400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:49.170200+08:00","text":"委員你記錯人了喔！","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:49.170200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:57:50.325000+08:00","text":"大家都贊成，只有你反對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:57:50.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:26.581000+08:00","text":"我另外一個重點要問你，請問你官股的泛公股，臺銀、土銀、輸出入銀行等等，他們一個事業單位，你們人事總處管太多了吧！","quality":0.408},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:27.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:42.129000+08:00","text":"他們要對員工照顧福利，比如說，現在的臺銀、土銀、輸出入銀行員工生一個小孩，不是鼓勵生育嗎？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:42.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:42.849000+08:00","text":"你知道要給多少錢嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:42.849000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:43.849000+08:00","text":"你說5,000塊的事情喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:42.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:48.952000+08:00","text":"5,000塊，你知道一樣是泛公股，兆豐給多少錢，你知道嗎？12萬。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:51.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:51.843000+08:00","text":"彰化銀行生第三個是36萬。對啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:51.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:53.085000+08:00","text":"我都主張生第三個要100萬啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:53.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:55.347000+08:00","text":"這個你們也在管，他們有賺了錢，他們給員工福利好一點，然後人事都會說：喔，主要是人事長都說不行，因為什麼單一薪俸，我都聽不懂！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:55.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:55.527000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我沒有說不行喔！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:55.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:58:56.007000+08:00","text":"你都說不行，你都說單一薪俸。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:58:56.007000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:17.044000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，你不要都怪到我這裡來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:17.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:24.153000+08:00","text":"你都跟人說不行，我特別來這裡質詢，昨天我才在財政委員會，他們都說主要是人事長有意見，說這是單一薪俸。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:24.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:24.353000+08:00","text":"喔，你真的官很大欸！","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:24.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.274000+08:00","text":"人家賺了錢，人家要照顧員工都不行，給員工伙食好一點也不行，你都說不行，為什麼？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.434000+08:00","text":"你要說一個道理，本席來聽聽。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.614000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:27.614000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:34.836667+08:00","text":"是，我讓你說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:34.836667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:42.059333+08:00","text":"用職工福利金可以來處理那部分，這件事情我昨天有跟臺銀董事長講過，我叫他把資料給我，我會找我們的同仁來了解。","quality":0.265},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:42.059333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:49.282000+08:00","text":"可能是溝通上有障礙，本來用職工福利金就可以操作了，他們可能是不清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:49.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:49.382000+08:00","text":"我跟你講啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:49.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T10:59:51.343000+08:00","text":"上從董事長──臺銀董事長、土銀董事長，下到他們的工會──也就是基層員工，大家的箭頭都指向你喔！","quality":0.465},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T10:59:51.343000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:03.305667+08:00","text":"說是大家都表示可以、部長說好、財政部長也說好，只有一個人說不行──人事長說不行，所以就不行了，演變成這樣。喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:03.305667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:15.268333+08:00","text":"你的權勢真大欸！","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:15.268333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:27.231000+08:00","text":"委員，你這樣講，我難以承受啦！","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:27.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:28.232000+08:00","text":"大家都這樣講！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:28.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:35.097000+08:00","text":"所以我今天特別來這裡問你這個問題、我公開質詢你，你好好檢討這件事情。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:35.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:46.285000+08:00","text":"大家都認為國營事業單位要照顧員工是好事，而且大家會相互比較，例如同樣是泛公股，結果卻是臺土輸，臺土輸的待遇就差人家很多了啦！","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:46.285000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:52.083857+08:00","text":"不要說其他，臺銀董事長只有兆豐的1/3左右啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:52.083857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:00:57.882714+08:00","text":"這件事大家就認了，但是員工的福利──如我剛才講的，我再講一遍，臺土輸員工生一個小孩5,000元，兆豐員工生一個12萬元，彰銀有三、四十萬元！","quality":0.018},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:00:57.882714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:03.681571+08:00","text":"差這樣的福利，為什麼你要管？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:03.681571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:09.480429+08:00","text":"這件事情為什麼你要管我就不知道，為什麼你要管啦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:09.480429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:15.279286+08:00","text":"你可以公開承諾你不要管嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:15.279286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:21.078143+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:21.078143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:26.877000+08:00","text":"你公開承諾你不要管，可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:26.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:36.907000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，應該是他們不清楚，企業本身依職工福利金條例第二條就可以運用。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:37.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:39.029000+08:00","text":"對於這件事情，我會請財政部回來開會，並且跟大家說清楚要怎麼進行。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:44.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:48.736000+08:00","text":"你把開完會以後的結果送一份給我們委員會，同時給我，好不好？好。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:01:50.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:01:59.082000+08:00","text":"為什麼現在泛公股、特別是臺土輸所有人員──上從董事長、下到員工都在罵你？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-11-14T11:02:00.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:02:04.105000+08:00","text":"他們說因為你手很長，說有照顧員工的措施都不可以，你解釋一下。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2024-11-14T11:02:04.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T11:02:04.285000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","qua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