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2024-11-14T12:16:47.434000+08:00","text":"好，下一頁。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:16:48.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:16:54.755000+08:00","text":"國教的部分，我要謝謝彭署長，因為這兩天剛好跟他有另外的會議，我們剛好一起討論到。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:16:55.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:17:04.647000+08:00","text":"如果財劃法修正了，未來影響中央可用財源在國教的部分，至少會影響938.2億元。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:17:08.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:17:09.572000+08:00","text":"部長，您聽好哦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:17:10.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:17:33.023000+08:00","text":"包括少子化對策計畫──2到6歲的幼兒照顧與照護688.8億元可能就斷炊了；又包括過去在教育及文化委員會我們一直努力在推的學生輔導法，好不容易朝野同意、通過協商，很快可以在院會二、三讀。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:17:34.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:17:47.411000+08:00","text":"當朝野都在爭取學生輔導法，要擴建我們地方政府，協助他們來增設專輔教師、輔諮中心，還有專輔人員的人事費，教育部編了32.6億元！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:17:50.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:03.576000+08:00","text":"如果修法大家都說要修學生輔導法，可是另外一邊財劃法又被修惡了，那麼這一筆32.6億元要協助地方專輔教師的經費就沒有了。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:04.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:06.857000+08:00","text":"所以在國教的部分，受影響跟衝擊的會有938.2億元。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:06.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:08.678000+08:00","text":"彭署長，我的整理應當是正確的吧？是的。是？好。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:08.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:08.918000+08:00","text":"下一頁。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:08.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:22.807000+08:00","text":"因為內容很多，我沒有辦法來細項講，但是我必須突顯，教育是重災戶。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:22.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:32.534000+08:00","text":"本席長期以來協助投入爭取的青年租金補貼363億元，包括內政部335億元是用來擴大這些社會青年的租金補貼。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:32.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:43.042000+08:00","text":"但是在教育部門，我們上會期努力爭取、今年度上路的大專校院的校內住宿補貼28億元就受影響了。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:43.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:44.744000+08:00","text":"再下一頁。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:44.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:18:49.507000+08:00","text":"我很快地收束，我要講新宿舍運動，在場所有的校長，大家照過來。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:18:50.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:00.652000+08:00","text":"新宿舍運動第一期50億元，第二期33億元，如果財源被搬走了，恐怕也沒有辦法永續。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:00.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:03.933000+08:00","text":"請大家還沒爭取的，趕快來爭取。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:04.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:11.415000+08:00","text":"現在政府編列的是第一期50億元跟第二期的33億元，僅剩的，可能未來會斷炊。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:11.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:12.536000+08:00","text":"下一頁。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:12.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:25.283000+08:00","text":"很快地跟大家報告，國立大學參與有31校，通過率有67.7%，沒有申請的臺灣體育運動大學許校長請加油！","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:26.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:27.825000+08:00","text":"臺東大學鄭校長請加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:28.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:30.947000+08:00","text":"臺北教育大學陳校長請加油！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:31.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:39.352000+08:00","text":"包括暫停中的有彰化師範、臺北大學跟體育大學，如果學校遇見問題，教育部專案來協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:39.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:40.073000+08:00","text":"再下一頁。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:41.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:44.876000+08:00","text":"技職的部分，更要教育部來全力幫忙。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:45.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:50.039000+08:00","text":"目前沒有申請的，臺灣科技大學顏校長請加油！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:50.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:19:53.642000+08:00","text":"虎尾科技大學張校長，你們撤案了，請加油！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:19:54.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:02.767000+08:00","text":"澎湖科技大學黃校長、臺北商業大學任校長、臺東專科學校王校長、臺南護理專科學校黃校長，請加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:03.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:07.548000+08:00","text":"然後臺北科技大學，我們已經協調好了，王校長，我們終於可以再遞案了。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:08.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:14.971000+08:00","text":"換言之，我相信各校大家想推，遇到困難，請教育部專案來協助。好。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:15.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:16.791000+08:00","text":"好，我的時間到了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:17.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:22.693000+08:00","text":"我今天提的資料、提的訊息，請大家一起搶救珍貴的教育預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:23.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:26.895000+08:00","text":"新宿舍運動83億元未來可能沒有了，大家趕快來爭取。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:29.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:29.169000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:29.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:34.811857+08:00","text":"好，部長、署長等請回，謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:35.111857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:37.969000+08:00","text":"我們現在處理臨時提案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:38.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:20:43.126143+08:00","text":"今天有委員提出臨時提案計一案，請宣讀。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:20:43.426143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:21:15.426143+08:00","text":"有鑒於桃園市因人口快速成長，導致醫療及教育資源不均，多所國立大學包括：清華大學、中央大學、陽明交大、政治大學、台北科技大學、台灣海洋大學等校，108年起即陸續規畫於桃園市設立醫院、醫療園區或教育中心、分校等，並和桃園市政府簽訂合作意向書MOU，民眾殷切期盼。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:21:15.726143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:21:53.154714+08:00","text":"然市政府已配合變更都市計畫及無償提供土地，惟迄今5年有餘，除期程延宕，更未有具體進度，甚至拖過合作意向書期限，還傳出計畫生變，嚴重傷害桃園市民情感，尤其清華大學、中央大學及陽明交大原計畫於桃園設置醫院及醫療園區，既已取得移撥土地，若無法以原計畫完成，則應與桃園市政府合作設置市立醫院為宜。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:21:53.454714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:03.454714+08:00","text":"爰要求上述6間國立大學，於一個月內具體回覆前揭計畫之最終定案及預定辦理期程。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:03.754714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:04.754714+08:00","text":"萬美玲","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:05.054714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:06.769000+08:00","text":"葛如鈞　　羅廷瑋","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:07.069000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:08.069000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:08.369000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:15.797571+08:00","text":"因為這個臨時提案教育部這邊已經同意，部長有要表達什麼嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:16.097571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:20.954714+08:00","text":"我是不是還是請這6所學校校長表達一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:21.254714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:23.254714+08:00","text":"有沒有其他意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:23.554714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:26.126143+08:00","text":"是不是能夠配合辦理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:26.426143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:34.140429+08:00","text":"就是清大、中央大、陽明交大、政治大學、臺北科技大學、臺灣海洋大學……","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:34.440429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:35.440429+08:00","text":"對不起！","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:35.740429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:38.311857+08:00","text":"主席，我可以再說明嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:38.611857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:45.183286+08:00","text":"這樣子的話，可能他們的東西上來會更精準一點，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:45.483286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:22:46.483286+08:00","text":"好，請說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:22:46.783286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:23:11.354714+08:00","text":"我想跟部長還有上述6所國立大學說明，剛剛我在質詢的時候有講得很清楚，但是這中間還有很多的細節跟問題，今天因為時間的關係，沒有辦法講述完成，但是我相信這6所國立大學都知道這裡面有一些問題在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:23:11.654714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:23:19.654714+08:00","text":"我是希望這個月具體回復的內容不可以太空泛，要能夠具體，為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:23:19.954714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:23:32.240429+08:00","text":"因為具體有助於這6所學校能夠確立在我們桃園市MOU的落實執行，所以這也是給雙方彼此一個機會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:23:32.540429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:23:45.969000+08:00","text":"你們趕快去檢視，然後把這個計畫寫出來，也便於與桃園市政府來做一個合作，讓教育委員會的委員能夠清楚知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:23:46.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:23:59.126143+08:00","text":"所以，在一個月內把MOU現在沒有辦法達成原來共識的地方要能夠詳述清楚，然後一個月之內把它提出來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2024-11-14T12:23:59.426143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-14T12:24:00.854714+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-14T12:24:0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