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搜尋到，我覺得有些時候是這樣子，我可能不一定有犯意，但是太簡單、太便宜了，5,000塊、8,000塊一個，可能我本來沒有這樣的想法，但我滑著、滑著也就覺得不然買買看，會不會有這樣的狀況？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:53:25.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:53:25.736000+08:00","text":"可能有！是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:53:27.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:53:29.398000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有信心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:53:29.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:53:49.243000+08:00","text":"跟數發部，如果說數發部真的沒有……你說明天要開會，能不能部長直接跟數發部部長，就是陳部長跟黃部長兩個人討論一下怎麼樣能夠解決，至少讓……如果必要時候再加劉部長嘛，內政部也一起來，至少讓國人不要在社群媒體那麼容易找到這個資訊！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:53:51.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:53:57.733000+08:00","text":"對，這個部分跟委員報告，我會來請教黃部長在數發部的部分能夠提供什麼樣子的協助。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:53:58.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:12.305000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個議題要多管齊下，各部會自己轄管的部分，我們大家一起來努力，交通部針對這個罰則的部分，我們也提出了一個精進的方案，那也是委員們也一直很關注的，所以大家一起來努力這個方向。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:12.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:14.107000+08:00","text":"好，所以你會親自跟部長溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:14.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:15.628000+08:00","text":"我可以跟黃部長通電話，沒問題。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:15.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:15.648000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:17.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:36.498000+08:00","text":"最後一分鐘的時間，我只再關心另外一個議題，因為本席接到很多陳情就是計程車的部分，現在說掛牌的權利金要飆漲，還說靠行計程車的車費也要被調漲，從過去一個月1,200元，到現在有車行調漲到1,800元，甚至有人講說出現聯合漲價的情況。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:42.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:54.502000+08:00","text":"部長，之前不管是雙北或是高雄的車行都有調漲，那4月的時候交通部有下令要請公路局來做調查，但到目前為止，這部分到底有沒有違反？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:55.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:54:59.944000+08:00","text":"好像也沒有一個下文，但聯合調漲是事實啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:54:59.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:55:03.946000+08:00","text":"甚至計程車司機表示不排除要上街抗議，因為生活難過啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:55:06.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:55:12.049000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這有兩個部分，一個部分，它的轄管是地方政府，我們已經請臺北市交通局查處這個部分。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:55:12.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:55:17.011000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，在公平會的部分，我們應該也有協助計程車司機……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:55:17.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:55:20.113000+08:00","text":"你們查到的狀況如何，現在半年過去了，到底有沒有聯合調漲？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林司長福山","start":"2024-11-18T12:55:22.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:56:21.255000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們在4月份就立即將文轉給臺北市政府交通局，根據我的了解，臺北市政府交通局公運處也有向這些公工會做回復說明，但是可能有些個案沒有處理到相關比較細部的部分，所以他們公會與聯盟有再來文，我們在上個禮拜也立即將這個公文轉給六都的交通局，特別請他們針對兩個事項，因為計程車自備車輛參與經營相關契約的部分，包括剛剛委員講的靠行費的部分，當時商業公會與駕駛人工會都訂有相關契約執行機制，因此請六都的交通局，第一個要去查察並做了解，另外一個部分也一併提到，如果有涉及到聯合壟斷的部分，請他們立即通報公平會進行查處。","quality":0.592},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:56:21.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:56:25.397000+08:00","text":"司長，本席給你1分鐘的時間，結果你講完之後並沒有回答問題耶！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:56:28.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:56:40.244000+08:00","text":"這件事連新聞都報導了，而且小黃駕駛也向本席陳情，我相信可能很多委員也都有接到類似的陳情，確實就是有調漲，從原本的靠行費用每個月1,200元變成1,800元啊！","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-18T12:56:43.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:56:47.590000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個查處是在地方政府，我們已經轉給地方政府，請他們去查處。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:56:47.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:56:57.461000+08:00","text":"是，但現在我們問路政司，相關單位到底有沒有這樣的狀況，講了半天，這件事都已經過了半年，六都還是沒有掌握啊！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:56:58.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:57:00.725000+08:00","text":"身為中央主管機關，難道可以放任嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:57:02.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:57:09.922000+08:00","text":"不管是中央政府或地方政府，第一，調漲是事實，這個調漲是否有聯合壟斷的狀況？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:57:10.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:57:21.130000+08:00","text":"第二，很多人都在討論，過去可能有時空背景，計程車需要繳靠行費，但靠行費的意義到底是什麼？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:57:24.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:57:28.818000+08:00","text":"很多計程車駕駛也問我們這件事，說實在的，一瞬間我也不知道。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-11-18T12:57:29.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-18T12:57:38.962000+08:00","text":"計程車司機已經考到職業駕照，也是我們交通部相關監理單位發的職業駕照，卻還是不能上路，必須要去靠一個行。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱"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