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那沒有 那我們意思錄確定那我們現在 這一次的詢答我們每位出席委員質詢6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘 列席委員質詢時間4分鐘 那發言登記截止時間為上午10點30分"},{"start":2666.295,"end":2687.201,"text":"委員若有臨時提案．於上午10時30分前提出．並於本會委員范委員質詢結束後．其進行處理．處理提案時若提案委員及聯署委員均不在場．原例不予處理首先請發言登記地位紅夢楷委員進行質詢"},{"start":2698.325,"end":2709.861,"text":"主席,我們請次長還有我們政署長跟我們國科中心的黃執行長。好,我們請林次長、政署長、黃執行長。還有龔執行長。好,龔執行長。"},{"start":2714.785,"end":2730.54,"text":"市長 我先請教一下很多媒體講是說今天看到我們國訓中心執行長是新任執行長國訓中心新任執行長那很多媒體也講是說距離現在2024年巴黎奧運不到半年時間"},{"start":2731.661,"end":2746.729,"text":"那之前的這個李執行長他確實他在任內裡面我們的代表隊啊等等都有蠻多優異的成績不管是說我們在2021年的東京奧運奪牌數都創下新高那想請教這樣子陣前換將有人用陣前換將這四個字來形容"},{"start":2749.551,"end":2772.665,"text":"市長想要走還是說我們請他走還是怎麼樣?市長因為達成這個階段性的任務啦所以他也自動請提出這個辭職他自動請辭?對是的然後我們什麼時候提出他自動請辭?應該是在去年年底的時候去年年底?對是的那沒有想到今年2024年巴黎奧運那麼重要是"},{"start":2773.764,"end":2773.864,"text":"兩位執行長"},{"start":2804.031,"end":2808.922,"text":"國訓中心 國科中心我們的這個位階是有誰高誰低還是平行"},{"start":2810.322,"end":2836.025,"text":"報告委員是平行的是平行嘛 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謝謝跟委員報告事實上針對這個學生運動員那麼在校園他具有學生身份涉及到霸凌或者不當管教的相關問題那這個部分都有相關的法規那麼再做那個處理也是依循這個相關法規規定的來辦理至於剛剛委員提到的有關那個轉學的那個競賽的部分這個問題的部分目前體育署也都在積極的處理"},{"start":3852.939,"end":3875.236,"text":"因為關於競賽這個制度我覺得還要花很多時間討論甚至他開場公庭會都不為過可是我們有沒有機會要求不管這個聯署有沒有之後達標或者是相關制度的討論可不可以因為目前我們收到消息就是監察院要積極介入這個調查可是相關目前已經在網路上自己公開分享這些家長的案例這些學生的案例體育署跟教育部可不可以主動的去"},{"start":3876.016,"end":3903.518,"text":"進行調查保護當事人匿名的情況下讓大家對體育班制度或是對政府的監理功能不要再持續感到失望這個部分可不可以請次長告訴我們有沒有可能是的謝謝如果是這個涉及到這個霸凌或者是不當管教的部分到體育署來做一些申訴那這個部分本來就有那個校園性侵害性霸凌性騷擾防治的這個準則那這個部分都會依照這個部分該揭露或者是該不能"},{"start":3904.138,"end":3928.103,"text":"我們都知道這個準則,次長我們都知道啦可是例如說像我們前陣子幫忙召開那個和球案就是明明就有很多事情在校內已經一直發生學員球員也都有發生可是這個相關的體育上對下的關係長期存在校園之間那如果孩子們都知道家長也都知道其實大家都知道可是就不敢講啊所以我這邊就是要求次長可不可以主動介入調查協助保護這些球員跟家長"},{"start":3930.364,"end":3941.987,"text":"如果是屬於在網路上面揭露的部分我們掌握到第一時間的訊息我們也會跟主管機關因為有關學校的部分可能基本上還是在主管機關我們會請這個主管機關在第一時間進行這個相關調查我們也會持續觀測後續的一個發展的狀況"},{"start":3947.909,"end":3971.536,"text":"這個市長我還是要說雖然我時間到但是我覺得這樣聽起來還是對於選手的保障跟對家長來說真的有點太過消極我們當然都知道這些案例他都已經自己趕寫在網路上代表我覺得大家積怨已久尤其是孩子們在他們青春期的發展然後身為青少球員運動員這些事情上但是卻一直被這些大人的事件綁住我真的覺得對孩子們很不公平所以我剛剛都說我們都不要討論到"},{"start":3972.816,"end":3974.197,"text":"我們會積極來介入來處理好那這個部分你說更積極介入我們有沒有機會開啟相關的調查"},{"start":3995.248,"end":3995.828,"text":"我這邊想要請運科中心的執行長這一段"},{"start":4015.509,"end":4017.59,"text":"為什麼我們要談基層運動這件事情我們來看一下"},{"start":4044.244,"end":4060.563,"text":"這是國體法修完之後這個三小時我們就先不要討論這個三小時到底合不合理或是一刀切的問題但是我們來看一下相關的過渡訓練我們來看一下107年說只有一所109年說只有三所到了110年只有兩所說實話執行長您覺得就您從基層上來您覺得這個數字合理嗎?"},{"start":4063.767,"end":4084.809,"text":"對,但是你覺得這個數字合理嗎?還好,你的意思是說不太合理嘛,大家都知道一定有一些事情沒有爆發出來嘛但是我們回過來看可不可以要求運科中心,我時間有限了運科中心可不可以積極的參與相關訓練準則訂定跟考核,尤其是考核到底是怎麼考核出來的我相信執行長你一定心裡有數"},{"start":4086.05,"end":4103.201,"text":"可不可以由運科中心更加積極主導這件事情並且把相關耳哨訓練標準納入未來運科中心的研究方向因為大家都知道基層運動員其實才是國家運動發展的未來對嗎完全認同委員的講法跟委員報告現階段我們正在積極研擬我們青少年運動發展的一個建議指標我們會結合運動醫學會"},{"start":4113.49,"end":4120.939,"text":"我認為大家聽到目前為止應該會覺得那關於考核的部分呢?考核的部分有沒有機會由運科跟體育署更加積極的合作?這個我們再來討論啦"},{"start":4124.202,"end":4152.416,"text":"考核會看到那個數字出來到底合不合理最後一個有沒有機會由體育署這邊設置必要檢舉窗口一旦體育班過度訓練查查機制不要讓政府保護而上這個美意再度淪為空談這個部分可不可以請署長或次長回應一下由體育署主動積極建立檢舉窗口又回到我剛剛講的霸凌的問題或者是現場的問題但是關於這個過度訓練問題可不可以請署長或次長告訴我們有沒有機會這個檢舉的窗口一直都在不過我想大概是需要宣導啦這部分我們在校園的宣導我們再來強化"},{"start":4153.116,"end":4167.027,"text":"關於這個討論資訊,是否可以再給所有教育文化委員會．包括我們辦公室一份．讓大家更知道．如果有這個過度訓練的問題．到底我們下一步可以怎麼做,好嗎?好,謝謝署長．謝謝次長．謝謝主席好,謝謝陳培宇委員．那我們下一位請萬美玲委員好,謝謝召委．我們有請林特角次長．還有我們鄭世忠署長好,我們請林次長、鄭署長"},{"start":4185.688,"end":4202.644,"text":"我看到你們的報告裡面在第二頁有寫到運科中心府成立一系設備人員編制組織架構運作模式等等尚在建構階段尤其是在運科大樓含戶外多功能檢測場"},{"start":4204.065,"end":4223.1,"text":"上位落成之前工作目標以組建營運團隊及營運準備工作為首要推動項目這個報告上面是這樣寫沒有錯嗎?對嗎?是的那也就是說現在我們整個運科大樓還沒有建設完成之前我們都在做一些準備那這個運科大樓預計什麼時候會落成?"},{"start":4225.282,"end":4226.203,"text":"市長哪一年會完成"},{"start":4249.915,"end":4264.884,"text":"118年好那也就是說在這個118年之餘現在而言都叫做落成前那也就是說未來這5年當中我們整個運科這個中心啊都在做一些什麼營運團隊準備工作這些事情是這樣嗎"},{"start":4265.384,"end":4270.728,"text":"市長,剛才我聽到您在答詢的時候有提到說我們現在預計大概緣額是在100人目前也招了大概53人那不足緣額繼續在招聘當中其實我也很納悶第一個,您現在都只知道說"},{"start":4292.605,"end":4292.945,"text":"所以我想第一個在去年9月"},{"start":4308.885,"end":4309.085,"text":"那當然另外喔﹖"},{"start":4333.274,"end":4354.913,"text":"那未來我們這個運客中心要能夠成立恐怕中間看起來有一些變數本席知道你現在這塊運客中心這塊土地現在是國防部在使用對不對目前是國防部的土地不過我們都已經跟國防部都已經協調了所以對運客中心新建大樓所需要的3公頃土地他會先提供使用"},{"start":4355.433,"end":4372.918,"text":"市長現在的那個國防部還在使用中嘛那他必須要他的另外一塊土地好了以後他才能把它遷走嘛你有沒有想過就是說這中間啊也有可能我們現在都知道其實現在公共工程都是一直在延宕當中一旦國防部他要遷去的那個地方的工程有延宕我們這邊也就是會跟著延宕"},{"start":4374.358,"end":4378.443,"text":"所以看起來本席真的非常擔憂當然也希望教育部體育署這個地方能夠在我們運科中心的運科大樓的工程上面要加把勁要盯好來要不然往後一直演不要熱熱鬧鬧的去揭牌去說要啟用然後結果"},{"start":4393.84,"end":4394,"text":"跟委員報告一下"},{"start":4414.621,"end":4432.433,"text":"國際中心的運動科學支援處主要就是跟教練選手在實際在運用的部分跟選手教練比較貼身比較密切的包含比如說運動防護運動醫療或者是體制能訓練這個部分實際的這個部分的支援跟協助是國際中心來做處理"},{"start":4433.274,"end":4435.054,"text":"所以您的意思是說在我們還沒有運動科學中心之前國訓中心您剛剛說的這些業務都沒有人辦喔?"},{"start":4454.522,"end":4481.502,"text":"我希望運科中心真的要有它的功能在運科中心我們也配合今年的東京奧運開始辦理所以運科中心現有的人員他已經也跟運科中心都已經建立窗口在進行相關的這個支援跟協助市長我再請教您一下那剛才我們有提到國訓中心是跟這個選手最有直接關係的對嗎是的就是選手的任何的事項其實國訓中心大概都要給予很多的幫忙跟支援"},{"start":4482.162,"end":4484.844,"text":"關於國訓中心我們的菜單這次市長有看過嗎?市長有看過嗎?市長有看過而且曾經有幾次場合我也去那邊實際去瞭解"},{"start":4499.194,"end":4518.5,"text":"現在我們教育部已經下令全國所有的學校都禁用辣椒粉胡椒粉恐怕再來沙茶醬那我們現在國訓中心在3月本期看到3月14我們的餐點還有椒麻雞3月15我們的餐點還有泡菜豬3月18我們還給他們吃了咖哩豬"},{"start":4521.921,"end":4541.754,"text":"我們要知道現在為什麼教育部要全面禁學校就是因為現在有這些疑慮辣椒粉胡椒粉那我們看到衛福部也還沒有辦法完全給大家一個很透明的資訊什麼產品有中標什麼產品沒有中標教育部為了省慎所以全面禁止我們學校的宜安午餐使用辣椒粉胡椒粉咖哩粉等等將來恐怕還有沙茶"},{"start":4544.896,"end":4555.979,"text":"我們國訓中心看起來沒有作為啊是怎麼樣是我們國訓中心這一些我們選手也好我們的人員也好健康不重要嗎我們要知道現在這個蘇丹紅啊一旦我們吃進人體肚子裡面去之後恐怕有致癌的風險對於我們不管是這個膀胱啦脾臟啦肝腎啊恐怕都有很大的傷害"},{"start":4567.082,"end":4567.622,"text":"市長,連胡椒粉都是你們自己做嗎?"},{"start":4596.69,"end":4614.006,"text":"至於這個胡椒粉也是自己做的嗎?納椒粉也是自己做的嗎?市長本席就請教您本席請教您您剛剛說辣椒粉你們用自製新鮮的辣椒嗎?我們用自製辣椒對那我請教一下我們有沒有用到胡椒粉有沒有用到咖哩?"},{"start":4615.007,"end":4629.041,"text":"看起來有嘛,3月18你吃了咖哩豬嘛我們也有清茶含辣椒的一些食材啦,這些剛剛提到的咖哩塊或者是這個辣椒粉你用的咖哩塊我們也清茶了,都不是屬於受害廠商生產的產品"},{"start":4629.949,"end":4643.265,"text":"您可以做百分之百的保證。衛福部都沒有辦法講的這麼清楚了。您教育部的次長可以這麼做這樣的保證是嗎?所以次長今天教育部次長用聽的不要搶話。這種搶話的答詢是非常不好不尊重的。"},{"start":4648.951,"end":4651.252,"text":"為什麼我們國訓中心你只針對辣椒覺得是自製其他胡椒咖哩你都不打算來禁為什麼"},{"start":4668.84,"end":4670.142,"text":"市長還有我們署長我希望我們的選手他們的身體健康非常非常的重要"},{"start":4686.38,"end":4714.2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對不對那所以假設今天運科中心可以直接介入到高中"},{"start":5079.153,"end":5104.333,"text":"你找一些有潛力的去做協助說不定就會有兩個三個成文會在同一個學校那這樣你同意嗎?是的那另外因為你也服務過新北市嘛你知道新北市包括像三峽明德高中的射箭那也是我們國手的培運搖籃體操明治國中的體操還有我們板橋華僑高中的排球都是非常棒的"},{"start":5105.074,"end":5126.69,"text":"那如果運科中心可以去協助的話你認為對於這些選手他未來的運動發展有沒有幫助?對於學校基層的訓練的支持我們體育所的學校組他就已經3年前就已經開始導入我現在就希望運科中心研究能量可以協助"},{"start":5127.771,"end":5145.606,"text":"如果運科中心沒有幫助我們不用成立運科中心的嘛現在就是說你現在另外弄了這個中心他如果說可以直接介入其實沒有違反到你們的發展目標因為你的目標就是希望能夠提讓這些國手在國外有好的表現那選材培育其實也是很相關嘛對吧"},{"start":5146.286,"end":5168.262,"text":"是的跟委員報告在這個在這個前年年底那個運科條例通過的時候當時對於運科的任務其中就有一條他不是屬於國家級他是屬於選手的培訓有嗎所以他包含了那我國家代表隊也包含了基層訓練基層訓練那至少那我想請教一下如果就以我剛剛講的為例啦是比如說海山高中舉重你們會怎麼做"},{"start":5171.194,"end":5190.642,"text":"因為你說那個條例就有規定,那你會怎麼做?大概兩個啦,第一個的部分剛剛我也提到就是我們體育署的學校體育組他就有在針對基層訓練導入運科那目前是有國體大的教授在做這件事情當然如果有這個需要的話我們會請體育署跟台體大就海山高中所需要的運科"},{"start":5191.042,"end":5212.658,"text":"現在運科如果說都已經做得好的話那不用成立運科中心啊我現在講的是說運科中心成立之後怎麼協助啦至於運科中心成立之後他會將運科包含他的研發或者是他的一些相關的一些技術的部分也會導入到基層訓練怎麼做嘛怎麼做嘛如果說你沒辦法回答請那個運科中心的執行長回答好不好"},{"start":5213.086,"end":5235.968,"text":"目前的規劃是我們可以結合地方的運科資源隊伍把我們的技術能量透過轉移的方式在地方來執行透過技術轉移是不是?是的那實際上的成效怎麼樣?還沒剛開始而已還沒有開始那你針對我剛講的那幾個學校你可不可以研究一下提一個報告給我當然可以好不好就是華僑高中的排球是好不好然後三峽明德射箭"},{"start":5236.949,"end":5248.757,"text":"還有我們海山高中舉重民智國中的體操直接針對這幾個我們新北市的了解運科中心成立之後怎麼去協助他們好不好是個階段直接針對這幾個那報告什麼時候可以給我"},{"start":5252.605,"end":5256.627,"text":"第二,這是我的建議,我跟一些運動員聊天你們運科中心有在做選材嗎?就是建立資料庫做選材嗎?"},{"start":5277.822,"end":5277.922,"text":"是的。"},{"start":5304.272,"end":5323.499,"text":"其實很多運動員他在小的時候他是全才啦比如說他可能跆拳道很厲害他田徑也很強籃球也很強那這時候如果說我們有運科的介入可以告訴他說你比較適合往哪個方向發展其實對於他選擇運動項目是非常有幫助而且對於他未來在某一個領域啊"},{"start":5324.98,"end":5352.902,"text":"展露頭角也是有幫助的目前我們的技術上面已經知道可以透過因為我的了解就是很多運動員都有被抽血嘛都有被收集相關的一般生化是有必要的可是其實目前這個部分可不可以也提供報告給我好不好就是針對選材的部分我們資料庫的建立然後資料庫怎麼用在選材部分好不好因為今天報告沒有嘛好不好這個部分看看也可以研究一下納入運科的項目"},{"start":5353.502,"end":5353.522,"text":"請鄭署長"},{"start":5378.688,"end":5387.313,"text":"市長,我建議你可能有機會要多上一點媒體的訪問,否則連我們本委員會議員之委員都不認得您的長相,所以這跟我委員的溝通要來多加強了好不好?好,第一個這個署長我們政府總體的體育預算從2016年年度的79.8億一直增長到現在已經超過130億以上,所以小英總統也多次的對外對國人來表達他對"},{"start":5406.144,"end":5425.773,"text":"國民體育對我們台灣體育發展的重視所以這些年來我們的國訓中心不管是整建計畫還是我們今天育科中心成立行政法人相關的運作國人都非常的重視所以總統會重視體育不只是總統的期待這也是我們台灣社會對於我們自己國家的選手的期待以及重視"},{"start":5428.173,"end":5452.779,"text":"現在我們目前就我們的制度單項協會是我們眾多諸多的比賽當中是我們台灣跟國際賽事的這個窗口也就是說如果我們的單項協會出狀況表現不佳他就會影響到選手的權益以及球迷的權益同時也會傷害到政府的形象以及我們的國際聲譽署長你認同嗎"},{"start":5455.311,"end":5473.037,"text":"報告委員完全認同是所以署長今天還是要借用這個時間再次來跟你談因為從我們上週在這個地方質詢到現在我們的足協爭議可以說是連環保一週之內道歉三次我相信署長你也非常的清楚前面委員也有質詢到有關於最近一次這個要"},{"start":5474.938,"end":5476.159,"text":"這個部分源自於在去年7月的時候主席他的競賽組換人所以他"},{"start":5491.173,"end":5511.93,"text":"的行政書是的確有行政書是他忘記去台北市體育局的線上場地借用系統去登錄所以呢8月的時候李市長有親自去拜訪台北市體育局局長請求協助那9月的時候呢竹協的確有到空流會議但是因為他7月並沒有去做登錄所以他9月的空流會議他其實是沒有發言權當然場地就沒有當時體育局局長是有協助他們11月馬來西亞的賽事"},{"start":5517.634,"end":5536.894,"text":"那馬來西亞賽事因為他們的草皮養護這部分的量能實在是當時是不太足夠所以導致很大的批評那這一次主要還是歸咎在足協的行政疏失當然我也希望臺北市體育局在草皮養護的量能上可以再加把勁我可以理解臺北市體育局為什麼沒辦法借那但是這部分足協還是要再加強"},{"start":5537.574,"end":5546.036,"text":"沒錯,所以我們體育署是2月的時候才收到竹協的發函請我們來協助協調我們事先知道有這樣的情況沒錯,單到2月才正式收到發函,沒有錯吧?對是吧所以署長你也說確實竹協是有行政疏失因為忘記了"},{"start":5561.869,"end":5576.662,"text":"不管後面當然是要做補救措施但是起因是因為忘記了署長如果你的科員如果你們署內的同仁負責是承辦這麼重要的世界級的比賽他可能會影響到我們選手的權益"},{"start":5577.796,"end":5598.418,"text":"然後他告訴你說啊抱歉我忘記了我忘記去登記了這不是第一年舉辦這樣的比賽所以確實是行政疏失沒有錯我現在要問的是說連連的發生行政疏失所有的民眾都在講說啊我們政府就是拿主席的沒有辦法署長我請教你"},{"start":5599.673,"end":5608.906,"text":"我們體育署就是拿單項協會沒有辦法嗎有辦法沒辦法不是你說了算也不是我說了算根據我們的國民體育法究竟我們體育署對單項協會法律要求我們要輔導到底賦予我們哪些的職權"},{"start":5616.696,"end":5625.784,"text":"署長能不能說明我現在講的是說我不是要求你必須要用哪一個方式而是我們實際上體育署是有哪些的職權當然我們會要就評估實際上面因為你每一個動作都會有連帶的效應要怎麼樣做才真正能夠解決問題這個我們要做多方評估但是我們不是毫無方法嘛對不對根據我們的國體法我們體育署有什麼樣的職權來協助輔導及督導單項協會呢"},{"start":5643.203,"end":5662.389,"text":"報告委員其實我們在每年的訪評這些的過去一年的表現都會列入我們的參考當然訪評的表現結果好與壞會影響到什麼會影響到它這一年下一年度它的整個年度工作計畫的經費比方說像去年的電競協會就因為跟一些形象的問題"},{"start":5663.109,"end":5664.531,"text":"所以訪評的結果也會來決定我們補助給協會的金額嘛 對不對 我們體育署不是說當我們是塑膠不管怎麼做我們都補一樣的金額 沒有 不是這樣嘛 對不對"},{"start":5678.268,"end":5678.348,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5701.988,"end":5723.916,"text":"議員．"},{"start":5724.136,"end":5736.144,"text":"委員在籃球的部分我們基本上之前已經有要求他們也同意所以這部分已經在進行當中包括足協足球協會他們已經完全認同包括足協以及籃籃我們是不是兩個月內我們體育署來協助召開三方的座談會好不好那未來我具體建議在我們的訪評指標之內我希望我們體育署可以要求單項協會"},{"start":5749.412,"end":5755.014,"text":"要例行性的每年一次例行性的來跟選手如果有公會就與公會如果是沒有公會與選手來進行座談溝通這能夠具體納入我們指標否則我們不需要協會就是協助我們體育署來治理署長你能夠這樣開幾次三方座談對不對我們這麼多的項目是不是可以具體的納入我們針對單項協會的訪評指標"},{"start":5771.22,"end":5771.66,"text":"時間暫停,那我請運科中心"},{"start":5797.944,"end":5819.333,"text":"市長好我想國人都非常的期待運科中心對我們選手帶來的注意我現在具體想要請問這個我們的霹靂舞因為它是新興運動我知道過去我們台北市北市大也有運科中心過去就有協助霹靂舞的選手進行相關的這些項目我們運科中心跟我們北市大是不是有簽的合作的備忘錄是的那未來我們會怎麼樣來進行合作"},{"start":5823.977,"end":5837.637,"text":"我們會先去跟選手跟教練先訪談確實從他們的需求當中來擬計具體的做法來協助他們因為我們不能亂做我們一定要根據選手跟教練的需求擬定他們需要的方案內容予以協助"},{"start":5838.458,"end":5862.03,"text":"我今天要特別提出跟執行長討論就是說因為我看到我們運科中心對外也有表達有一些新興運動例如霹靂舞這個項目我們過去比較少充足的資料庫數據跟資料所以我們還需要一段時間的準備才知道如何來協助選手所以這些新興項目例如霹靂舞已經納入今年的奧運了所以我希望我們運科中心是不是可以積極一點的來投入新興運動的這個運動"},{"start":5864.632,"end":5868.154,"text":"謝謝吳佩奕委員我們再來請楊瓊英委員質詢時間4分鐘謝謝本席想邀請主席想邀請長賜跟署長"},{"start":5893.058,"end":5894.319,"text":"國際運動訓練中心的球壘館正式揭拍"},{"start":5919.36,"end":5946.382,"text":"我們的總統也特別表示運動中心是許多世界運動的強國為他的教練跟選手結合了科學專業提升競技實力的重要機構所以換句話說這個中心對我們國家的運動是非常的重要他是一個核心那未來將跟國家運動訓練中心共同合作進行了選手的培訓工作是嗎"},{"start":5947.102,"end":5970.47,"text":"是的那要推動運動科學是嗎是運動科學的研究也將特別要請行政院專案支持市長是不是如此是的那也特別要請教育部跟國防部共同請行政院來協調這兩個部共同來完成建制運科大樓"},{"start":5971.05,"end":5999.504,"text":"是的那現在進度如何跟委員包括運科大樓的一個新建那教育部這邊也在去年年底提報的這個先導計劃了那在今年應該是2月底之前我們也把114年的開始申請的工建計劃也已經報到行政院你們預計什麼時候會完成已經計劃出來所以大家很期待那目前正有行政院國會啊正在審議當中那你的預計計劃呢"},{"start":6001.706,"end":6028.086,"text":"如果順利的話總經費是需求23.5億那期程是從114到118年118年是你們的計畫內容嗎?是的那本期要請教也就是說因為最近的公建的部分有的落後很多甚至有標不出去所以我們很期待在我們的計畫時程是118年我們希望如期如值的去完成"},{"start":6028.686,"end":6038.757,"text":"所以在弓箭的這個部分也請一定要想死去注意因為大家期待非常的高那接下來本校要請教的是既然是118年才能夠去啟用那這個過程當中你們要怎麼樣去因應呢?"},{"start":6043.703,"end":6044.283,"text":"請說明先見阿先見阿"},{"start":6063.848,"end":6087.449,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":6087.789,"end":6110.749,"text":"所以現在我們這一段過程還是由國防部這個土地先讓我們使用但是目前我們那一塊要興建大樓那塊土地目前是空地所以並不會涉及到那個拆遷的相關問題那我想這個部分我們會在現有的空地的3公頃的這個土地上面那經過國防部已經許可我們先做這個使用"},{"start":6111.209,"end":6113.81,"text":"許可了沒?許可了沒?我拿到了沒?我們有正式雙方開過是有一個這個方向但是還沒正式最後答案我也有請我們運科中心可能近期我們再發一個給那個"},{"start":6128.676,"end":6148.795,"text":"本席認為這個非常重要因為到118年要啟用我有一點緊張但是我相信您有這個能力去完成所以我們在每一個環節一定要警惕一定要警惕好不好我們希望在118年能夠如期如質的完成啟訓"},{"start":6151.377,"end":6179.363,"text":"在這個過程當中就由國防部這一塊土地你們繼續來做訓練的運用是不是答案如此目前的訓練跟檢測的部分目前都是就用國訓中心的球壘館的這個場地包含了實驗室的規劃也都會再進行逐步的來就是不停滯嗎對 持續訓練這個是我們選手非常重要跟教練非常重要的需要的訊息那最後一個議題就是我們的足球"},{"start":6180.343,"end":6181.564,"text":"我們一起完成了一個奧運會級的、國際級的足球場我們的進度也都正常"},{"start":6197.031,"end":6211.507,"text":"我們每一個環節都很努力臺中市政府所以我們希望在足球的這一個類別裡頭當然很多的委員都非常的關心在不管是選手不管是這個場地以及教練那特別從根渣起"},{"start":6213.789,"end":6213.989,"text":"我們再來請郭育晴委員質詢。"},{"start":6247.697,"end":6251.98,"text":"主席好,請一下次長。好,有請林次長。是,國委員好。是,次長長安。我想這個行政院其實在2022年就是去年的一個,前年的一個五月已經有核定一個臺灣運動跟科技行動的一個計畫。那當然其實其中我們看到體育署他們也特別針對這樣子的一項計畫。"},{"start":6275.075,"end":6288.934,"text":"有特別有說到希望能夠做跨部會的一個整合那這個整合其實目前為止其實在這一次的整個業務報告當中我覺得是比較沒有被明顯的拉出來講那我不曉得是說這個部分"},{"start":6291.097,"end":6315.252,"text":"您知不知道就是在國科會其實在2018年11月的時候其實已經有推動一個精準運動科學研究專案的一個計畫那麼他們針對的一個三大的研究方向包含運科的訓練包含體能的一個恢復還有傷害的一個防治另外還有就是戰術技術的一個分析那針對這三個方向其實在照理來講應該國科會"},{"start":6316.673,"end":6335.733,"text":"他們已經有這樣子的一個計畫呈現他們也成功的在2020年的這個冬奧的時候其實也實踐了這樣子的一個計畫那我不曉得這個部分就是在我們的整個體育署的部分是不是有跨部會能夠在這個部分來做一個銜接很好的一個嫁接那這個部分有做到嗎"},{"start":6339.156,"end":6345.92,"text":"運動成科系行動計劃是由行政院科技會報、整合相關部會、包含教育部、經濟部、國科會等相關單位各分別辦理。其中教育部主要負責人才培育、"},{"start":6354.445,"end":6354.465,"text":"獲得獎項"},{"start":6374.67,"end":6397.78,"text":"透過這個計畫的部分在教育部有關的部分的話一方面是強化這個基礎的結構做人才培育同時呢也會這個針對運科能量的一個擴大這個部分我們會跟國化會來做一個合作另外在產業生態的部分的話建立的產業生態系這個部分我們會跟經濟部同時呢在研發的部分也會跟國化會那個國科會一起來協助跟幫忙"},{"start":6398.26,"end":6398.74,"text":"市長您也提到人才培育的一個問題"},{"start":6415.492,"end":6433.25,"text":"我相信其實光是講到培養運動科技人才是怎麼樣能夠跟我們現在其實台灣大家都知道其實科技技術其實是非常非常頂尖的那我們要怎麼樣跟科技產業來做競爭去把真的好的人才能夠到我們的所謂的這個運動中心來"},{"start":6435.272,"end":6459.791,"text":"跟委員報告一下我想這個運動運科中心因為去年下半年才剛剛成立所以目前包含了組織或者是包含人員的部分都在陸陸續續在徵聘當中但是我們也是把握這樣子的一個時間所以這段時間一方面也跟工研院也跟各大專校院那麼等等的這個還有包含了一些研究機構一起來做一些來做一些的這個合作"},{"start":6461.092,"end":6461.252,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":6482.703,"end":6506.36,"text":"台灣師大還有巴罕的國立體育大學目前都有簽署運科中心跟我們這幾所大學的合作來培養運動科技的相關人才以及進行運動產業科技的相關研發好我們希望能夠盡快而且很多的部分其實應該要快速的到位因為2024年其實我相信大家最聚焦的應該就是在我們的巴黎奧運"},{"start":6508.742,"end":6524.711,"text":"在這個部分我講到其實運動員其實最重要的就是他們的身心狀態要夠健康那當然其實我們看到其實不管是在他們的一般的所謂在進去所謂的國訓中心之前他們在這個訓練的基地的時候其實"},{"start":6525.652,"end":6553.072,"text":"大大小小不同的一些運動傷害其實有可能都已經存在他們的身上了所以其實到進到了國訓中心其實我們看應該是說最重要的就是在我們的專屬的一個防護人員還有我們的培訓的防護人力上的一個需求那一直到昨天晚上其實我們所知道昨天晚上才給我們最新的數據那這個數據其實是沒有update到上面的那我們是要了很久到昨天晚上禮拜天的晚上"},{"start":6553.752,"end":6580.28,"text":"那這個地方其實我請就是三位可以稍微看一下在國訓中心的運動防護員跟物理治療師這個部分的人力的配置我們看到其中一個特別框起來的網球的部分不管是第一級第二級第三級的這個網球的選手然後再來再加上那個運動防護員還有物理治療師整個所有的醫護組他的配置是雷鳴"},{"start":6581.861,"end":6593.415,"text":"這個部分是不是有做什麼樣的一個可以稍微解釋一下這個狀況甚至有些是低於25%那我想這個部分是不是在人力的配置上是非常嚴重不足的"},{"start":6594.233,"end":6615.372,"text":"跟委員報告一下那國訓中心針對運科人員包含了這個運動防護品跟物理治療師那基本上包含了那個黃金計畫跟包含了那個阿奧培訓練那如果黃金計畫的前三級的選手都是屬於我們重點培育的這個選手那這個部分是提供客製化的專屬的這運科的團隊"},{"start":6617.534,"end":6617.754,"text":"提供專題報告．"},{"start":6636.418,"end":6658.003,"text":"目前的部分國際中心除了編制內已經有45個這個運動防護員之外那也有一些計劃性的大概有二三十位的這個計劃性的這個運動防護員的做一個協助幫忙目前我們了解目前的這個配備的配置的部分應該是是是可合宜的那如果大家有在需要再增強或者配合後面的那個奧運在做"},{"start":6659.343,"end":6687.858,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":6687.958,"end":6689.538,"text":"是的,好,我們能力的部分的話會依照我們實際上需要的部分該拚我們就拚"},{"start":6715.143,"end":6715.603,"text":"謝謝郭宇晴委員再來請羅廷偉委員好"},{"start":6744.4,"end":6750.678,"text":"主席謝謝有請次長還有運科中心執行長好我們請林次長跟黃執行長"},{"start":6752.837,"end":6777.944,"text":"市長好市長好我想剛剛有許多的立法委員也都非常關心這個議題我就不再糾結太久但我還是要念一下運科中心112年9月16成立到現在就我所知道我覺得是半年當然你說1月1號開始運作那點開運科中心的首頁三個類別運動醫學研究運動科學研究資訊科技開發這三個研究是掛鈴"},{"start":6781.705,"end":6800.427,"text":"業面寫著建制 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執行長是嗎是的"},{"start":6802.008,"end":6825.52,"text":"我想目前就我所知道整個單位都寫著敬請期待只有執行長的介紹是最為清楚的這個部分國人應該有必要知道整個運科中心在未來的一個規劃那我想這個部分麻煩你一定要加緊腳步這個部分我還是要稍微跟你提醒一下那再來市長我想請問一下"},{"start":6826.821,"end":6829.004,"text":"你有玩過手機遊戲、電腦遊戲嗎?可以分享一下年輕大家玩什麼嗎?什麼?"},{"start":6840.635,"end":6842.236,"text":"我今天要跟你討論的就是電競的議題"},{"start":6857.509,"end":6873.201,"text":"那我自己呢有承諾過電競的相關不管是選手或是團隊我要做一個電競選手他們最大的一個靠山作為一個電競立委那我想2017年11月7號立法院三讀通過運動產業發展條例的部分條文將電子競技業納入運動產業電子選手比照運動項目相有國家的選拔"},{"start":6881.107,"end":6905.106,"text":"培訓賽事國光獎章等資源也就是電競終於被證明但是7年過去的我們可以看到台灣電競產業的發展卻止步不前陳建仁院長在去年10月13日台灣代表隊在杭州亞運的反國參會對選手說選手不用擔心我們政府做你的後盾113年度體育署預算137.65億加上110年底修法"},{"start":6911.01,"end":6934.578,"text":"我們通過運動產業發展條例第26條之二擴大企業的捐贈誘因我們有30億元整個總額我們有突破將近160億我想整個預算的增加持續優化訓練環境後勤的資源等這些都是當時陳院長所提出的但是今年"},{"start":6935.498,"end":6963.164,"text":"就在今年2月27日卻傳出了電競選手獨自帶著300美元征戰卡普空杯快打旋風6這樣子的一個辛酸故事最後這個選手奪冠了電競協會在第一時間發文道賀卻被當時的網友酸說沒有資助選手出國比賽人家得冠軍才來蹭熱度"},{"start":6964.924,"end":6990.356,"text":"我想要去還原事實真相因為我想電競協會也有一些苦衷但是次長我想先請問你中華民國電子競技協會說自己是教育部體育署與中華奧委會指定電競事務委辦單位現由教育部體育署輔導為教育部體育署全民運動組內具有國際窗口之非亞運動團體是否屬實?"},{"start":6993.477,"end":7011.45,"text":"來跟委員報告一下齁 這個部分確實是事實啦好 是事實齁 那電競協會呢領教育部多少補助 教育部有沒有統計電競協會的部分好 沒關係我來補充 又沒有要考試啦齁 我大概跟你說一下電競協會110年到112年 共拿了1000多萬 一年300多萬而已"},{"start":7019.195,"end":7034.229,"text":"而以先不論補助是多是少現在大家在乎的是我們都以為政府會把電競放在長遠的一個目標來規劃我們來討論探討並且把他們納入我們最重要要發展的一個項目"},{"start":7035.45,"end":7055.364,"text":"因為台灣電競講真的喔在國人的一個印象當中亞洲國家我們電競是算感覺起來是滿有一個規模因為我們的選手帶來了很多的獎項回來我們的起步算很早當時跟我們中國還有韓國是平起平坐"},{"start":7056.63,"end":7081.197,"text":"我想我們沒有任何的準備現在人家已經超越我們了我想我看到我們韓國中國日本各個亞洲國家當時我們的這個電競選手是感覺到讓國人非常非常的羽與龍焉為什麼因為當時很多的世界比賽我們有得獎啊"},{"start":7082.318,"end":7101.024,"text":"我想到底現在問題到底怎麼樣我看到四個困境第一政府機關缺少專業人才第二我們沒有電競的專門機構第三補助的資源分配不均電競的專才一直在流失政府機關缺少專業人才就是沒有人懂電競嘛"},{"start":7102.424,"end":7127.016,"text":"對不起,市長剛剛詢問您有沒有玩過遊戲當然我以為你會說沒有啦但是您的回答跟沒有其實差不多這不怪罪你玩俄羅斯方塊跟現在真的是差距非常的大我想公務人員多少懂一些的話他就可以具體的去了解怎麼解決這個問題但是我看到電競產業就現在就是複製貼上我們把籃球棒球做過的事情成立協會給補助複製貼上得過且過嘛"},{"start":7130.177,"end":7159.02,"text":"再來電競產業不像韓國有一個專門的機構那個專門的機構他們當時有去找比賽來做例如WCG世界電玩大賽台灣以前有叫做台灣電子競技聯盟他們會去找比賽來做但現在不太一樣喔現在是遊戲廠商希望透過電子競技比賽來拉抬他的遊戲他們會願意撥預算去找一個執行單位來主導我想廠商想做的是"},{"start":7159.781,"end":7186.411,"text":"那些廠商就會撥預算廠商如果沒做我們這些執行單位也沒事我想入法了證明了然後呢礙於法規上的一個限制每年國際電競大賽政府沒有補助協會也沒辦法做什麼終究選手還是得靠自己市長不知道我這樣講完你有沒有發現政府在這個產業鏈當中完全沒有一個重要的角色來擔當我想真正能夠補助到這些電競"},{"start":7188.275,"end":7197.786,"text":"選手上面的我覺得真的很少我想資源分配體育署一年的預算160億元現在補助在電競上千分之一不到"},{"start":7199.464,"end":7224.298,"text":"這個部分都是我們現在看到的困境市長我已經講了這麼多我真的很期待國人就現在來說我們自己很期待棒球籃球跆拳道舉重羽毛球我想電競也會是一個選項之一但是我們連基本的日常訓練出國參賽機票都出不了補助不了他們的國手"},{"start":7224.938,"end":7247.184,"text":"我想我們應該好好的考慮是不是能夠思考我們有一個電競賽事的專門機構根據台灣及國際專注的電競項目去補助選手幫助選手日常的訓練提供他們能夠去做出國比賽的經費另外更重要是我們沒有看到一個專業的場地能夠讓他們有這個機會去做培訓"},{"start":7250.325,"end":7270.947,"text":"我們看到人才的流失直接找不到這樣子的一個機會整個電競產業的結構我們應該要先把前端先做好才不會說我們得到了一個電競冠軍的人才結果呢這個人才後面的規劃我們沒辦法想像次長你認為在政府上還能夠給予什麼樣的協助成立專責機構可行嗎"},{"start":7273.779,"end":7302.669,"text":"跟委員報告一下那個電子競技大概包含了從那個去年的亞運還有巴黎奧運的部分也列為這個競賽的一個項目所以我們也輔導我們的這個這個協會在選人手的選拔以及參賽所需要的相關的一些的培訓跟所需的經費的部分這個部分我們大概都會來協助跟幫忙那至於剛剛提到的那個電子競技協會因為去年它有一些的狀況也是在大院的這個要求之下"},{"start":7303.609,"end":7321.463,"text":"對於經費的部分我們是有給予這個佐檢的這個相關的一個經費不過我想針對選手的參賽的部分所需要的相關經費基本上我們會來這個協助跟幫忙那至於剛剛委員提到的因為在雖然那個運動產業發展條例那訂定那這裡面也涉及到相關的運動產業那針對電子競技的部分的話"},{"start":7324.925,"end":7332.912,"text":"我是由教育部跟包含的經濟部,產業的部分主要是在經濟部,後來當然樹花部也成立了。我想在產業的這個部分的發展,可能這個部分是屬於經濟部跟數位發展部的一個權責。這個部分在產業發展的部分,我們也會同相關部會的部分,就有關成立專法的部分來進行這個相關的研議。"},{"start":7349.326,"end":7374.562,"text":"所以我還是想說國際奧林匹克委員會已經指示了電競委員會要展開研究要舉辦電競奧運的可能性我想國家訓練中心在電子競技當中我們有看到一個培訓的場館這也是我們希望的不管是培訓場館或者是家喻補助不只是用在協會上的補助對於電競選手能夠直接的關心這也是我們寄予重望未來我們更希望我們的電競能夠打敗韓國打敗中國"},{"start":7376.443,"end":7379.448,"text":"這是我們未來的展望,我們希望你可以加油。謝謝。好,謝謝羅委員,謝謝。謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝,謝謝羅廷偉委員。謝謝。好,我們再來請張雅琳委員。"},{"start":7402.526,"end":7408.114,"text":"主席好然後有請次長署長跟執行長謝謝好請次長署長跟黃執行長張委員好"},{"start":7413.496,"end":7436.765,"text":"嗯,大家辛苦了吼。那就是說其實我自己的三個小孩都有參加運動賽事的比賽。所以我長期以來都對於運動發展非常關心。好,基本上在足球場的各種賽事我大概都在現場這樣子。所以呢,我想這最近足協鬧了兩個爭議事件。第一個就是女足的部分。這個爭議的一個極度不平等的一個契約在立法院"},{"start":7437.885,"end":7461.311,"text":"直訊之後再趕緊宣布直訊無效那接著又因為世界被資格曬借謬到場地場地變成從臺要去高雄男子機場那真的是在足球圈一片嘩然那我想這件事情其實我想要討論的是說因為在2017年的時候提改有四大目標基本上就是組織開放營運專業財務透明績效考核那我就想問這個國際賽借無場地營運專業到底在哪裡"},{"start":7466.523,"end":7481.342,"text":"我查了一下我們這個體育行政管理人才其實是有之前有一些課程在108年有辦課程但在108年之後就再也沒有任何的課程了可是我在看關於職能的課程棒球經紀人跟"},{"start":7482.963,"end":7498.852,"text":"運動中心與運管理都還有持續開,開到這兩年喔那我想問喔為什麼我們這個108年這個行政的管理人才的課程卻停擺了呢因為這是非常重要的因為我們這次世足賽之所以沒有場體是我們連預控會議都沒有參加"},{"start":7499.833,"end":7502.694,"text":"這部分其實他在第一期的體育行政管理人才的課程是職業基準也是配合勞動部來進行"},{"start":7520.681,"end":7531.511,"text":"第一期的課程我自己本人也有上所以我當時也是學員之一目前我們持續在辦理當中我們現在第一期的第一個課程的認證是在112年7月28日才認證通過這是因為勞動部的審查需要一段的時間這部分我們會持續來辦理"},{"start":7538.221,"end":7559.857,"text":"那我想問一下就是秘書長的職能基準的這個課程呢因為我在網路上其實找不到資訊但是我調資料是說4月的時候會辦好可是這個基準的校期呢卻到10月27號就截止了等於說要在辦完6個月就結束了就要再重新上嗎是這個意思嗎幫委員我能不能讓我的產業組組長來報告這部分呢好謝謝"},{"start":7564.008,"end":7587.415,"text":"報告委員,之前的體育行政班那個是事辦期間,那我們依據運動產業法案條例第11條,我們就是循勞動部那邊的職能基準建制,還有分兩個階段,然後後面有一個課程發展,所以我們課程發展也經過認證,那預定今年4月會辦理。那這個職能基準到10月底不就結束了嗎?"},{"start":7588.415,"end":7615.644,"text":"它的效期可以再延續OK 好那我希望就是說我們應該要持續的去規劃這些相關的課程喔因為我真的不希望在這種氏族國際賽上面我們竟然還會遇到這樣子的問題那第二件事情其實是我們運科人力的部分就是說我們巴黎賽巴黎奧運已經即將要開始了那大家其實都非常的關注我可是從2020東京奧運的時候就有發現這運科人力的不足人力不足的問題一直存在"},{"start":7617.045,"end":7637.752,"text":"我們從左邊看到這是運科處的部分運科處目標應該有91人可是我們到現在還有差25個人那我們運科中心呢 原額應該是100人可是我們現在還差58個人那我就想要問喔為什麼我們到現在我們還是沒有辦法聘卜一直聘足人這到底原因是什麼是薪資呢還是人才培育的機制有問題呢"},{"start":7638.772,"end":7664.74,"text":"報告委員這部分我先做補充如果說不足之處而請執行長那這部分當時在一開始設計的時候其實我們的確所有人才幾乎都在大專院校所以我們在籌備的過程當中我們已經先設一個薪資的標準希望能夠比照大學的這些助理教授副教授教授等級來聘用那但是呢這個期間籌備的過程到今年其實他在"},{"start":7665.22,"end":7684.075,"text":"除了33位的全職之外已經有跟幾所大學有大概9位都合併的這個教授其實這是循序漸進的部分因為所有人才都在大學那我們當然希望沒有循序來輔導那我想問一下我們大概預計什麼時候會聘主呢?所以薪資沒有問題是嗎?薪資目前應該是沒有他的問題運科處跟運科中心都沒有對對對"},{"start":7685.536,"end":7703.69,"text":"所以我們預計什麼時候會聘組呢?我們在今年目標是53位因為我們在聘人的部分其實還是非常的謹慎因為要把他聘進來之後大家也知道要把他送走其實沒那麼簡單但我們今年目標還是在巴黎的奧運這件事情先把基礎打好了我們再來後續再來做不管是全民健康產業技術計轉"},{"start":7705.271,"end":7706.392,"text":"所以事實上雖然是合併可是他們其實都在中心裡是嗎?是的"},{"start":7734.585,"end":7758.717,"text":"好 了解 那我再想要問第二個問題就是說因為剛剛說薪資沒有問題可是問題是我也發現運科處說薪資沒有問題可是我們的薪資現在數字起薪是四萬兩千多我在網路上面google了一下大概平均的薪資大概是四萬五千多所以這是第一個問題我覺得這好像有落差不然為什麼我們好像流動率你看拼了三十原本是六十六個人可是"},{"start":7759.497,"end":7762.559,"text":"委員 跟委員報告一下我們運科中心的這個薪資的部分事實上在立法院前一個這個前一個前一屆裡面的也是關係這個問題"},{"start":7779.967,"end":7806.62,"text":"所以當時候在110年有全盤去做一個檢討同時也了解這個社會的這個這個聘僱的這樣子的一個薪資的部分整理去做一個盤整所以當時候大概也做了一個調整那麼同時呢也會考慮到他是不是具有國家的證照或具有證照以及呢他的年資還有他的學歷都已經有多了一些調整同時呢也都配合軍公教的待遇來做一個調整所以今年"},{"start":7807.36,"end":7833.199,"text":"今年一月份開始的軍務調整也都同步處理所以等於說今年又重新調整薪資了對不對?那這個東西我們就持續追下去看會不會有這個人力不足的問題那再下一個就是想要討論一下因為其實世界各國他們的運科人才的數運科的員工人數其實是比台灣來的更高那這部分我希望說因為現在在人力編制我們還有再更高的目標嗎?"},{"start":7836.181,"end":7856.366,"text":"目前通過運科中心董事會的部分目前是100位今年會聘到53位這個部分本來就是一個行政法人如果配合實際上的需要未來如果還有增加人力的需要提到董事會去做一個討論之後就可以來實施"},{"start":7856.786,"end":7875.162,"text":"好,我希望這東西我們可以持續的去關注因為我重點是我要想這一張就是說其實我們現在我們運科的人力運科的這個計畫我希望它可以落實到基層我們現在來看一下左邊這張圖我們現在是受測學校到113年到了75個人受測人數到113年是到了1263年可是1263人我們可以看到每年增加的幅度是以10%的"},{"start":7882.808,"end":7888.331,"text":"而我希望就是說因為我們這些體育學生其實都是我們未來的選手的農場所以我希望我們可以去把這些計畫呢真正的再加深再加擴大因為我們明明預算都還有都還有"},{"start":7911.843,"end":7923.01,"text":"讓這些小孩子從小就開始接受這些運動科學的訓練減少運動傷害讓他們可以真正的成為一個好的選手來為國家爭光為自己爭取榮耀所以我想要問最後一個問題是說我們現在這個輔導機制未來可不可以擴大"},{"start":7928.032,"end":7928.853,"text":"那目前桃園、新北、台北"},{"start":7956.793,"end":7958.935,"text":"台中都已經有陸陸續續有加入我們目前還在擴大當中"},{"start":7986.613,"end":7986.696,"text":"主席"},{"start":7987.008,"end":7991.33,"text":"好,那我想知道那這些詳細的機制你已經有計畫了嘛那計畫可不可以提供到我們辦公室謝謝大家,謝謝"},{"start":8017.981,"end":8018.001,"text":"蔣麗芸議員"},{"start":8037.333,"end":8066.025,"text":"辛苦了我想今天早上很多委員垂詢了很多的我們運科中心的狀況那去年9月正式揭牌我想這是台灣體育很重要的里程碑那我非常期待因為運科中心的成立有助於我們再來的很多的賽事的成績那當然巴黎奧運是首當其衝那可是不過更加重要的是我們國家如何落實"},{"start":8067.745,"end":8090.919,"text":"對選手日常訓練還有生活的照顧與協力那運科中心剛開始成立運作所以很多的事情我知道不可能一步到位包括你的人員很多的其他剛剛很多委員質疑的地方這我們都可以理解可是我比較關心的是說像是我們怎麼樣"},{"start":8092.481,"end":8107.394,"text":"這個運科中心跟國訓中心他原本的運科處的制度或者經驗或人才的這個銜接並且要讓教練跟選手能在相同的支援模式下不間斷地進行訓練跟這個備賽這就是我們現在跟未來要面臨的挑戰喔那我想今天就是要探究我們運科中心的人才培育"},{"start":8117.203,"end":8129.198,"text":"根據運科中心今年度預算中的年度工作目標裡面有提到說推動與國內外大專院校合作培育運科人才及合併教師預計這個2025要正式實施那我想請教說運科中心規劃"},{"start":8136.346,"end":8156.081,"text":"是如何要跟國內外大專業院校來合作那如何從大學端除了教授一些運科的基礎知識以外也培養思辨的能力我們有什麼誘因吸引更多的專業人才來到運科中心那我會提到這個是因為運科中心從事"},{"start":8157.482,"end":8182.46,"text":"現在在國訓中心從事運科工作的工作人員跟我反映所以有些他們覺得有些人員的專業程度可能相對不足怎麼說因為很多專業人才不一定會到國訓中心去他們可能會選擇賺更多錢的地方或者會到國外去追求接觸一些世界超級頂級運動員這樣的機會"},{"start":8186.322,"end":8208.855,"text":"這個基層的議員是反映說他們如果這個人才的這個基礎的學科的知識不足投入實務的時間就算想要去判讀或者解析所謂的運動員的檢查實驗的這種相關數據也可能沒有本錢去進一步去思辨跟融會貫通所以本席認為說我們在大學端"},{"start":8209.835,"end":8229.818,"text":"的努力甚至我們還要從下到國中高中來培養學生的運科知識那大學的部分我是認為說當然就要加強學生的這個思辨能力才有辦法把學到了這些所謂的專業的知識運用的如魚得水"},{"start":8230.359,"end":8251.345,"text":"那國高中升端就是說我們除了一般的考試科目外體育課也不只是打打球跑跑步我覺得老師應該要將運動科學的知識跟這個學科融合那深化運動有益身體的觀念也讓培養一些對這個有興趣的可以進到大學端去"},{"start":8253.326,"end":8273.835,"text":"我聽說我國的運科人員及國外的學者及專業教練的交流機會比較少通常在國際的研討會才有機會交流我當然是認為說我們一定要有機會多讓國外的學者來到台灣來互相交流或者利用獎學金來讓"},{"start":8275.956,"end":8297.924,"text":"我們更多國內的運科人才到我們國外來進修或者吸引外國的人員來到我們台灣所以請問署長你自己也是這個運動科學專家出身那我想一開始我提到這個人才培育這一塊你看到有哪些不足的地方或者我們有什麼樣更精進的作為"},{"start":8298.632,"end":8320.095,"text":"報告委員其實你剛已經講到很多的重點所以在我去年上任之後我在介入整個國家運動科學中心的籌備的時候當時的同仁只有把運動科學中心定位在研發但當時我強烈的要求要包括規劃這件事情因為運科人才他們才能真正的來協助整個選手客製化的一個服務"},{"start":8320.675,"end":8343.147,"text":"人才培育的部分我想運科中心現在當然是初期比較務實的做法先跟各大專業校院的這些教授來合併來合作因為所有的人才國內人才大部分還是在大學裡面那要把他們搶出來其實不太可能那這部分我們先這樣做但我們現在執行長也其實在跟許多的不管工業院的一個網絡人才或者是我們跟國外的"},{"start":8343.707,"end":8363.74,"text":"這些的專大學者的部分其實我們陸陸續續都有在聯繫那也包括也去參訪了一些韓國運科中心日本運科中心以及未來的澳洲這部分我想我們的執行長本身也是運科的專業我想這部分就如同剛剛委員講的這幾個重要要點其實我們都會往這個方向來前進"},{"start":8365.466,"end":8365.707,"text":"五十三位"},{"start":8379.445,"end":8401.323,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":8401.423,"end":8424.302,"text":"完全認同也支持委員的講法我們現階段將會在今年暑假開始我們會辦理博士班的類似獎學金的概念直接請大學段的博士在課題上面如果跟我們接近的我們透過獎學金的方式吸引這些博士生的人才進到我們中心來對於第一線的需求做深入的了解進而可能成為我們未來的聘用人員"},{"start":8425.223,"end":8447.881,"text":"所以現在就要開始來正在擬定這個計畫我們將在5月份公告我們希望在下個學年也就是8月1號開始進行這一個博士班人才的培育計畫OK 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謝謝那另外想要探討的是說在上週的總質詢本是有向行政院長跟教育部長再次提到設置運動相關部會的議題"},{"start":8450.342,"end":8470.632,"text":"這個議題其實我倡議了好一段時間而且其實在1988年的時候行政院就有在評估成立運動相關部會的討論從那一年到現在其實已經36年了我想運動除了教育和培養人才的層面外其實還有很龐雜的專業我們為什麼要推動運動產業發展條例我們就可以看到運動產業的範疇太多"},{"start":8478.536,"end":8507.352,"text":"大體上有13個面向包括運動博弈運動旅遊電子競技運動經濟管理顧問等等這真的是非常的廣泛所以在總質詢的時候潘部長回應本席他說這幾年的台灣的體育的量能跟運動的產業發展確實有很大的擴充所以體育部在辦理這些體育的相關教育部在辦理這些體育的相關事務的時候其實也受到一些的限制所以我們"},{"start":8508.112,"end":8537.572,"text":"因為體育事務很特別嘛特別是我們在跟國外的窗口銜接確實有一些難處那所以我要請教說從實務面來看體育署在辦理這個龐雜業務的當下因為有機關成績的限制碰到有哪些困難那署長跟次長你認為說在面對日益月性的這個產業發展中那運動事務真的有獨立成步或者是說可以跟其他的領域事務合作成步的"},{"start":8538.112,"end":8539.012,"text":"的可能性嗎?"},{"start":8557.757,"end":8579.985,"text":"我們接下來有機會如果成立到部的話可以擴增我們體育署的量能我想這部份在產業的部份才能夠真正的來擴大所以完全認同委員這邊的一個想法所以你都非常支持就是要成立部OK好那我們就期待未來這個行政院來努力這件事情好謝謝主席那個次長署長請回謝林警委員好我們現在請范雲委員質詢"},{"start":8589.909,"end":8593.752,"text":"市長早安市長早安我想先問署長好了待會就請市長再監督署長您上任已經一年了嗎是超過一年了我想今天主要是兩個大題那三個算起來應該算小題第一個"},{"start":8618.431,"end":8645.003,"text":"剛剛您有回應陳委員還有其他的委員關注女球球員被迫簽不平等合約的問題包含不得從事表演廣告代言所有的這些營業權利都歸協會我想請問您您剛剛講的是解決個案體育署到底如何在通案上避免不平等的合約再次上演"},{"start":8645.703,"end":8656.567,"text":"報告委員這件事情有分兩個層面第一個主席一開始理事長我們先不用討論個案了我說整體因為不是第一次嘛那個戴資穎之前的球鞋門就是說被支持他的廣大的就是說球迷發現這完全違反國際規範當時也是個案處理我現在問的是說通案就是說體育署用什麼方法避免再次被報導"},{"start":8674.474,"end":8678.939,"text":"再次還要爆發還要立委關心報告委員我的做法是這樣因為這幾次不管是網球籃球足球連環報的這些議題所以呢我也通案請各個協會我也將在這個月舉辦一個跟協會的一個座談我在媒體上一帶宣傳"},{"start":8691.872,"end":8691.892,"text":"續訪委員長"},{"start":8708.192,"end":8712.416,"text":"我想請您我們看一下20212021年當時我們極地超碼好手林益潔就已經點出問題就是因為沒有一個契約的規範當時我們教文委員就有委員建議教育部應該要提出契約範本"},{"start":8727.992,"end":8751.437,"text":"可是呢到現在你們都沒做我在想為什麼文化部在我們的監督下你現在上文化部的網站就有文化藝術工作者的契約範本專區教育部體育署為什麼做不到呢這件事情已經從戴資穎到現在如果沒有立委幫他們關心或者他沒有辦法大道上新聞的話難道我們等這些協會慢慢你跟他座談輔導嗎"},{"start":8752.857,"end":8773.804,"text":"一文工作者權益的保障當然是重要的文化不能做到體育署是不是可以向文化部學習提出我們體育選手跟協會的契約範本然後上網公告呢?報告委員我完全認同這部分我會再進行那謝謝喔因為時間有限那什麼時候之前可以完成上網可不可以給我一個時間點"},{"start":8775.444,"end":8780.146,"text":"我們還是希望一些專家學者一起會談可不可以3個月給我們一點時間3個月好那就3個月後我們監督好那下一題那其實根本來講就是因為體育協會有協會在處理這些事情產業有那些產業可是運動選手沒有人站在他們的權益上保障所以呢我一直倡議這個是剛剛已經講了倡議應該讓運動員組工會"},{"start":8803.914,"end":8823.276,"text":"那你看我110年11年121年113年每年預算都追緩步前進之前為什麼沒有很嚴厲來問體育署您應該知道為什麼嗎因為我們之前沒有署長我們次長手下要管多少事教育部這麼大的部所以剛臨緊委員希望升格我也非常的支持"},{"start":8824.738,"end":8846.029,"text":"現在署長您來了一年了我可以追問這件事你們下面每次回應我們都是緩步前進請問您體育署應該是站在協會這邊還是站在選手這邊?不管選手跟協會都是我的左右手都是我的夥伴那您協會一天到晚跟他座談您體育選手有座談過嗎?"},{"start":8847.17,"end":8847.65,"text":"您知道有幾個協會有選手組成公會嗎?"},{"start":8866.405,"end":8885.298,"text":"目前有籃球、棒球以及女足公會為主72分之3我已經要到了72分之3所以這樣子報委員我們如果是以沒有拿薪資的部分目前是以國體法裡面的運動員委員會為主但如果是有拿薪水的部分的確這部分我們可以來協助"},{"start":8886.038,"end":8886.538,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":8910.492,"end":8928.378,"text":"你們給我的報告我還要求你們去研究其他國家研究了半天也沒有給我一個研究成果最後結論就是說我們要提供事實且必要之協助那是不是也可以喔兩個月內給我具體的事實且必要之協助的方法辦法好不好"},{"start":8929.438,"end":8943.351,"text":"可以吧?因為您上任一年我現在才催我們已經盯了四年了我不知道你們數下寫的東西都緩步喔那也不方便問次長這麼多問題已經問過很多問題了齁好那這次兩個月給我們具體的措施鼓勵辦法好不好?好"},{"start":8944.552,"end":8950.219,"text":"最後一題也是我之前質詢的時候追的黃金計畫選手遴選機制不公開不透明這是這麼重要的一個資源謝謝上次署長是您承諾要公開"},{"start":8961.755,"end":8979.42,"text":"你們給我的報告還說要三公開二增加保密利益然後增加任用條件強化表示你們看到問題有利益沒有迴避的問題要等等那你想公開你給我的報告說113年期要公開只要是任期結束就可以公開113年期請問署長是幾月幾日叫做113年期"},{"start":8983.443,"end":9010.089,"text":"一月一號開始一月一號嘛那你知不知道你們後來公開是什麼時候公開報告委員是昨天昨天為什麼我們立委你們給我們的承諾一月一號如果我們不盯的話那就變成昨天才公開報告委員這部分我的確有昨天有跟國訓中心來做查詢那國訓中心的人員的確感到致歉那這部分他們接下來會跟誰致歉我都沒聽到"},{"start":9012.33,"end":9025.845,"text":"他要跟我們致歉,跟所有關心體育致歉,因為他自己承諾的事情都做不到,那你知不知道他為什麼昨天會公開?因為委員辦公室有提醒,所以我這邊也...因為我辦公室不是提醒,我們一直催一直催一直催"},{"start":9027.046,"end":9044.272,"text":"到今天要專案報告昨天才公開大家看一下你們答應今年一月一號公開我們立委如果不去追的話這個答應的事情這是蒸發一樣你看這個上網的公開名單從第一屆這多少年前到這個第六屆3月10號才上網你們承諾是一月一號對不對已經"},{"start":9048.353,"end":9049.054,"text":"幫委員這部分我會協同新任的國訓中心那個執行長會好好在這部分來"},{"start":9065.933,"end":9085.804,"text":"鼠掌我是對你期待很高因為我們這麼久沒有鼠掌之前就因為都記得戴資穎那個他飛機的那個席次的問題引發而且戴資穎有這麼多人支持他可是很多選手沒有辦法PO一個臉書文就得到這麼多的支持鼠掌你上任只有一年這不是你任內的錯"},{"start":9087.165,"end":9115.671,"text":"拜託您今天承諾的事情務必完成好不好那我剛剛講你給我的報告說承諾要做到增加任用條件強化跨領域專業增加保密跟利益迴避的規範因為體育署下面的人讓我覺得很難信任那可不可以給我把這些你們的報告承諾白紙黑字鏈入你們競強會設計及運作要點好不好那什麼時候可以就是說修到裡面然後給我辦公室跟教委一個報告"},{"start":9116.451,"end":9116.811,"text":"請次長幫忙監督"},{"start":9141.305,"end":9151.101,"text":"好 謝謝范雲委員那麼再來先處理臨時提案喔那今天有委員提出臨時提案共計兩案請宣讀"},{"start":9154.648,"end":9183.2,"text":"議案運科中心成立目的主要為運動員提供更多系統化科學化的體能訓練運動防護物理治療運動心理及運動營養等支援讓運動員的訓練過程更為精準又安全運動員為了追求比賽成果及創造佳績除了大量體能消耗以外也承受巨大的心理壓力所以建立良好的心理素質及支持機制對運動員比賽表現長期身心健康都有所注意"},{"start":9184.1,"end":9198.466,"text":"運科中心尚未成立前作為國訓中心的運科處負責運動心理諮商領域的專業人員只有5名過去亦有報導指出全台只有54名具備資格的運動心理諮商"},{"start":9199.686,"end":9224.739,"text":"諮詢老師,其中不到二成的人能在體育界有全職服務機會。運動心理諮商需要長期密切追蹤選手狀態因選手及運動項目生良心打造然而實務上只有有望得獎的項目及選手能分配到心理師或是只有在選手對賽期間才得以獲得短期的諮商輔導服務。"},{"start":9226.4,"end":9251.699,"text":"比起選手身體狀況可依靠一切檢查由檢查結果和數字來證明選手的心理健康對運動員的成長和成績影響都難以被具象化往往被忽略不受重視儘管近年國際頂尖選手現身說法倡議後運動員的幸福感逐漸被關注但當專業人員不到位選手心理健康需求更難被看見"},{"start":9252.74,"end":9280.79,"text":"近年許多運動員的親身經歷及專家研究都指出運動員心理健康的中央性及聯動運動表現的影響對運動員的長期心理發展有所幫助包含退役後轉職出入及心理狀態原提案要求運科中心加強培育運動心理師競速提升運動心理師員額及勞動條件進而完備運動員的心理支持制度提案人侯孟凱"},{"start":9281.79,"end":9308.212,"text":"羅廷偉．范雲．萬美玲．零一集第二案．立法委員陳培宇．牛許廷．吳佩義．黃建豪於2月27日共同主辦足球青年聯賽精進辦理座談會本您透過體育署足球協會與臺灣基層足球家長與俱樂部之交流共同討論青年聯賽如何得以永續辦理的可能性"},{"start":9308.752,"end":9333.735,"text":"然該場座談會中中華足協卻拒絕體育署邀請缺席本次座談會顯見體育署對於足協協會之監理輔導已經嚴重失能而無論是足球協會改選後對於青年聯賽態度消極然體育署卻又執意補助中華足協辦理該賽事目前足球協會組成缺乏民主機制與溝通"},{"start":9334.776,"end":9353.865,"text":"以及青年聯賽對於臺灣足球基層發展之重要性與永續經營可能等面向均為與會家長教練與球員們關注方向原詞請停於屬於4月底前針對青年聯賽的永續辦理可能我問是朝向委辦或是開放申請補助的形式"},{"start":9354.885,"end":9378.254,"text":"對立法院教育及文化委員會提出報告讓關心此議題的足球參與者瞭解體育署對本議題之正面回應提案人陳培雲、聯署人郭益勤、范雲、吳佩奕、林盈瑾、黃建豪、牛許廷宣讀完畢好,我們請問提案委員有補充說明或意見"},{"start":9380.763,"end":9394.084,"text":"教育部有來溝通希望我們把嚴重失能改成不足那我們可以接受那是不是也請教育部也確定一下這個這樣的寫法OK好那我們請林次長"},{"start":9394.957,"end":9417.615,"text":"好,跟委員報告一下,針對第一案的部分的話,我們配合辦理那第二案的部分也謝謝我們提案的陳培委員也同意了,我們做文字上的修正也就是第五行已經,第五行的後半已經嚴重失能這六個字改為不足這個部分我們修正後配合辦理,以上說明,謝謝"},{"start":9419.685,"end":9419.705,"text":"紅夢凱委員"},{"start":9436.567,"end":9453.717,"text":"好,感謝昭偉喔,那我們這地案也這個行政部門這邊就是詐案通過而且非常的認同啦齁那也感謝我們所有提案的委員那但是幾個部分第一是不是能夠再給本席以及我們教育委員會的這個委員資料就目前為止我們是個"},{"start":9455.835,"end":9475.863,"text":"運動心理師我們現在配置的這個人數跟這個運作的一個狀況那第二個部分就是我們有提到這個物理治療相對重要但是今天比較遺憾是沒有看到這個我們物理治療的你們講的是原則但是我們到底實際的設備現在有哪些是不是也請我們國訓中心這邊給本席一個資料"},{"start":9476.443,"end":9491.582,"text":"包括說我們看到那個最近NBA啊4萬分那個LeBron James啊他可以打得那麼好打那麼久選手生命因為他常常在講說他有用那個極度冷凍液態氮的那個修復艙啊那我們這個國訓中心這邊有沒有這樣的設備"},{"start":9492.824,"end":9522.773,"text":"﹗"},{"start":9524.646,"end":9524.846,"text":"請羅美林委員質詢時間4分鐘"},{"start":9559.379,"end":9585.507,"text":"謝謝主席 有請林次長還有體育署政署長請林次長跟政署長羅文好次長早次長 這個強化全民國防兵力結構調整方案已經在今年實施了那也就是說我們常被兵役制度再次的恢復為一年的這個意務役"},{"start":9586.827,"end":9613.352,"text":"同時也代表說9494年以後出生的一男即將要服一年的兵役。專長替代役正式的走入了歷史。針對這個議題本席想要跟次長還有署長討論的就是說有關於我們運動選手在服兵役的時候他的運動生涯要如何的延續。"},{"start":9614.312,"end":9617.315,"text":"過去一年或兩年我們針對頂尖的運動選手有許多的措施包括加入軍中的隊伍參加各級的賽事或後期由國訓隊聘請專業教練來帶訓所以我們可以發現像這個制度其實是還不錯的替代役制度至少"},{"start":9639.136,"end":9664.017,"text":"我們這個體育選手的這個生涯呢不至於這個中斷那我舉個例子來講像這個直棒球隊的代訓制度在當時雖然直棒那時候不算是太成熟的一個運動可是呢卻打下了這個惡軍的這個基礎所以呢當時有很多選手都有機會被這個直棒考察加入直棒的機會"},{"start":9665.258,"end":9668.959,"text":"這個總來講還算是一個蠻成功的這個政策我有看到一個去年底的這個媒體的報導說對於這個體育選手的生涯如何延續目前的法院進度還是停留在嚴疫的這個階段所以我想要請教教育部有沒有跟國防部還有內政部這邊來做過這個商討到底這些"},{"start":9691.404,"end":9712.139,"text":"選手的這個宣言要如何延續：相關的法制：內容到底有沒有出來?報告委員這部分我們分兩個部分第一個部分我們去年有跟國防部內政部來做一個接洽那國防部初期初步是沒有打算恢復我們的國訓隊但是內政部的替代一部分的確他們說因為剛上路"},{"start":9714.341,"end":9737.117,"text":"希望在一年後就是今年年底的時候來做一個檢討但是另外一方面我們也去做一個調查與目前高三的學生即將畢業進入了有病疫的問題的選手他們現在都已經有進入有學籍有大學的學籍所以理論上接下來3到4年應該這個問題還不會浮現但是我們預計今年就會跟國防部來做故事上的一個實質的檢討"},{"start":9738.638,"end":9750.325,"text":"所以你們覺得說時間上還來得及就對了?目前還來得及所以還是會朝這方面來進行對不對?是當然我們目前如果亞運奧運有多排的選手其實我們都有補充面的部分那部分是屬於頂尖選手的部分已經有現成的機制"},{"start":9753.703,"end":9771.196,"text":"因為我想說像過去其實很多的這個潛力可以選啊像這個陳金峰也好郭太元也好過去他們也是陸光隊這邊訓練出來的這個頂尖選手所以我在想說因為一年的時間如果讓他的這個體育的生涯中斷呢那是很可惜的因為這部分的話可能會影響他未來的這個生涯甚至會影響到他跟其他外國球團簽約的這個機會所以這部分真的很希望這個體育署"},{"start":9780.763,"end":9793.548,"text":"還有跟我們國防部內政部要好好來做這個研議尤其是說組長說你說還有3到4年的這個時間那我在想說既然說我們已經有這個時程出來了今年之內"},{"start":9794.915,"end":9820.092,"text":"年底至少年底之前這個以後要怎麼樣做這個在服役的時候訓練年底之前應該會有一個完整的方案出來是不是?好委員我們目前就預計在今年年底會跟內政部再做進一步的一個要到年底才來做對因為他需要先一年看看整個狀況啦那但是我們完全贊同委員剛剛提的所有的方向的確我們體育署也很希望能夠恢復到過去的替代這個方向"},{"start":9820.572,"end":9821.952,"text":"謝謝羅美玲委員我們再來請牛許廷委員"},{"start":9848.547,"end":9876.678,"text":"好,謝謝主席喔,這個教育部次長跟體育署長有請喔好請次長跟署長牛偉好好辛苦了喔,這個今天雖然大家是要討論就是說這個新的科學訓練中心能不能提升這個運動選手的一些表現這是很重要大家也都不會反對我相信大家也針對不同的這個細節跟配套提出了一些意見但本期今天在這邊反而要強調的是啊這個"},{"start":9878.459,"end":9894.567,"text":"你搞一大堆中心用很多的科技用科技的方式來處理這畢竟只是硬體部分的提升可是我們一個要不要變成運動強國要不要能栽培出更多的運動人才其實軟體跟環境是更為重要的我是業餘足球員我今天就用足球協會近年的問題來針對這些事情來提出一些質詢"},{"start":9899.329,"end":9923.254,"text":"主席的問題很多馬上要辦世界盃足球賽的資格賽場地問題弄到一個燈光不符合標準的場地然後講借場地的時候流程好像辦的也沒有進入狀況以至於沒有借到場地然後未來接下來其他的國際賽能不能借到場地也是在未定之天第二個是青年聯賽取消的問題這大概有本席深入論述第三個我們的五人制足球國家隊"},{"start":9923.874,"end":9951.252,"text":"之前教練也被砍薪水選手的訓練費也被砍非常的厲害那最後是最近發生的女足的合約不平等的問題啊這些東西在在都是含了基層運動人員的心啊也含了對於足球有興趣的所有這個相關人士大家都覺得很心寒啊如果這些軟體的部分啊這些協會在在處理這件事情的品質沒有被確保的時候你有再好的中心再進步的科技跟再好的技術請問有什麼用呢"},{"start":9953.168,"end":9953.348,"text":"鼠長回答一下"},{"start":9975.606,"end":9994.043,"text":"報告委員其實在去年有一次大院這邊舉行了一個公聽會那當時足球協會是有來出席但是足球協會在當時跟在場的所有的不管是家長還是相關人士的討論之後在會議結束之後整個的方向完全的"},{"start":9994.964,"end":9996.605,"text":"議員們在這個座談會所提出來的這些需求他們也都願意來配合"},{"start":10011.899,"end":10029.84,"text":"蘇長你當初在這件事情結束的時候還發文說因應立委助理的需求啊欸這句話是很糟糕的一句話捏因為今天那天來參加座談會的不只是我們立委本人啦有非常非常多的基層的家長有非常多的教練有很多的國角都是在場的參與的人員你有沒有什麼話要跟他們說你覺得你講這樣的話妥當嗎"},{"start":10031.181,"end":10049.73,"text":"報告委員這部分我的確應該是以家長為主跟學友為主這部分我後面會來改進謝謝你願不願意跟這些有來參加這群很心寒的基層願不願意道歉呢這部分我還是願意對他們致歉因為說實在的我們還是希望把助學協會的督導能夠在行政方面能夠更精進好那我們就談一下細節啦為什麼我們要辦青年聯賽是因為循環賽制對選手的保護是比較好的"},{"start":10054.772,"end":10078.656,"text":"長期的這個聯賽制度確定下來之後對於這個整體各個球隊不管是學校系統也好俱樂部系統也好去培養球隊去以賽代訓等等他會有一個相對安穩的一個期程所以這本來就是正確的你在臉書你講說恢復雙循環賽制我提醒你雙循環不代表不會悲賽化大家現在擔心的是你的一個雙循環你排了兩個禮拜一天打三場五場那是有可能的"},{"start":10079.116,"end":10079.737,"text":"當然要一週一賽啦而且要長期的確定嘛"},{"start":10094.349,"end":10098.211,"text":"委員長,雖然去年有鬧出這樣的賽事上的爭議,但是後來足協也的確有做了一些改善,所以也讓後面這些賽事成績比較不好的這些的隊伍也有去增加他們場次了。"},{"start":10119.14,"end":10135.567,"text":"剛剛既然臨時提案已經通過了那顯然我們後面還會有報告的時間我現在嚴肅的提醒體育署也嚴肅的提醒教育部針對這件事情的處遇方式第一要非常明確第二要符合基層期待你如果有困難有的時候另辟蹊徑也不是壞事啊"},{"start":10135.947,"end":10153.933,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":10154.133,"end":10179.389,"text":"我們也在足球協會也跟我承諾他們在6月這一年度的青年賽事結束的時候會做個檢討會議也跟所有的俱樂部來坐下來談整個賽制的這個滿足他們的這個期待我們希望這樣子的承諾不要跳票啦要廣大基層的聲音要讓大家有參與好好的來解決這樣問題可以嗎好不好兩位辛苦了謝謝好謝謝牛委員謝謝好謝謝牛喜廷委員我們再來請本委員會的吳春城委員質詢"},{"start":10188.952,"end":10192.059,"text":"謝謝主席,請次長、署長好,請署長、次長五位好兩位好"},{"start":10200.988,"end":10223.01,"text":"我今天要來請教這個視狀運的問題那這個視狀運在明年要舉行那這個是由臺北跟新北市聯手這個邀請來的這個國際級的一個賽事但是這個賽事目前好像"},{"start":10224.071,"end":10224.531,"text":"請回答"},{"start":10252.332,"end":10281.548,"text":"報告委員那目前我們曉得臺北市雙北的籌備處給我們的回應是目前報名人數大概是1000人他們目標是希望能夠達到過去的3萬人那5000人對不起5000人那當然這部分還是我也會受到因為他是個人報名我想國際人目前的機票上漲還是會有一些影響但是我們這邊也會積極來協助雙北這邊在他們的整個的推動方面以及宣傳上面能夠再加一把勁那這部分上一次在拜訪委員的時候"},{"start":10282.308,"end":10283.128,"text":"目前我們也在演繹當中"},{"start":10304.017,"end":10320.826,"text":"這個賽事是運動選手最多好像全球當中預估上一屆是有18000名然後配合他的眷屬通常應該會到四五萬名也被視為是一間"},{"start":10323.598,"end":10324.138,"text":"報告委員．報告委員"},{"start":10344.392,"end":10371.769,"text":"比較靠近的時候才會報名但是這個時候要做很好的宣傳這個是國際的那另外一個就在國內的請問這個運動這個要達成什麼運動的目標我不曉得體育署如何來看待它看待它這件事情好像是地方政府的事情好像不是體育署的事情自知事外那看得出來你們對選手有什麼輔導的計畫"},{"start":10373.75,"end":10388.678,"text":"這一個國內的有多少選手報名的項目那體育署有做什麼關心有做什麼培訓有做什麼投入還是自身度外?所以體育署都是這樣定位?"},{"start":10397.643,"end":10423.992,"text":"因為3次委員也有提醒我們所以我們目前的確我們也希望跟各縣市來鼓勵他們那鼓勵這個全民運動是不是體育署的職責對 那我們目前希望說透過不管是運動愛台灣還是跟我們另外起一個新的案子來協助不過這看起來是我們長期體育署的問題體育署把自己定位只是在做一種專業的競技運動把所有的心力都投放在這裡對於全民運動的這個"},{"start":10426.093,"end":10430.216,"text":"我們目前已經在訂邀請了各縣市3月25會來跟各縣市來做那個各協會來做這部分的推動"},{"start":10454.213,"end":10480.024,"text":"目前看起來就是你們投入的只是在像一個活動公司一樣體育署就是說補助一些場地啦然後這個活動的設計對於人員的培訓目前沒有看到作為只有一個就是國人參加這個報名費會比國外來的便宜一點那這是目前好像我們唯一對這個鼓勵國人參加這次運動賽事的"},{"start":10483.465,"end":10511.445,"text":"的一件事情所以那另外要問的一個就是這個臺灣明年2025年進入超高齡社會那世界壯年運動會試壯運剛好就是針對這件事情那兩件事情同在明年要發生那是不是對於我們的"},{"start":10512.486,"end":10512.546,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":10542.726,"end":10544.267,"text":"請你們提出一個研究報告出來"},{"start":10562.512,"end":10591.051,"text":"可以沒有問題可以喔那可不可以列入記錄就是針對我們的高齡社會請體育署來研究這件事情同時呢因為這些賽事因為這個我要講一下這個直男來拜會民眾黨的黨團那特別提出了現在看起來包括這打假球包括為什麼會打假球是因為他們的困境這個職業選手當中的生活的保障"},{"start":10591.591,"end":10605.344,"text":"還有這個市場的不足導致這些事情的亂象重生那請問我們政府在這方面有做什麼努力?報告委員那目前我們是用跨部會的方式不管是法務部警政署還有調查局還有我們的高檢署都有"},{"start":10608.827,"end":10634.175,"text":"在各地方各縣市球團所在地都有做一個一個算是協助啦跟不管是在法治教育部分或是現場的監控方面我們目前我知道我知道做了你們跟這個很多的司法單位啦現在當然有一些查緝這個直染不法事件的專案行動啦包括各地的這個地檢署也有一些防治措施喔但是這一個啦只有棍子"},{"start":10635.635,"end":10660.501,"text":"但是沒有蘿蔔反而造成了對球員的負面形象好像這個圈民把他們當作壞人把他們當作這個措施很多但是對於他們的保障的措施有做了什麼呢對這個球員的生活保障薪資水準還有這個運動市場請問在我們的體育主管單位又做了什麼"},{"start":10661.089,"end":10662.13,"text":"但是這樣的還是一種我覺得包括在全民運動當中你們弄得無關"},{"start":10679.531,"end":10680.472,"text":"謝謝,謝謝吳淳澄委員我們再來請徐巧欣委員質詢,時間4分鐘"},{"start":10710.686,"end":10714.211,"text":"謝謝主席 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