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報告名字叫什麼"},{"start":677.144,"end":683.888,"text":"政府機關優化數位轉型服務跟硬體設施改造以處理人民陳情實務為例聽起來很厲害但你們報告寫得更棒來來來兩位報告處長上來我們的王處長跟張處長我想請教您你們寫了幾點心得啊九點啦我要告訴你啦你們九點心得寫了什麼"},{"start":706.957,"end":723.43,"text":"我們現在監察院歡迎羅委員去參加沒關係喔你們心得寫得太棒你們心得寫得太好我一定要讓全國人民知道你們寫了五點齁我真的嘆為觀止簡直要趴在地上佩服啦第一點記得大家要用Siri啦你們的心得一啦"},{"start":726.291,"end":729.054,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":745.114,"end":764.067,"text":"第5個藉由考察聯繫過程要體會棄而不捨的決心化不可能為可能才是重要關鍵你們的出國的決心真的棄而不捨預算用最多然後呢專案考察的項目是最少然後呢出國報告給我寫的這麼偉大的出國報告我這邊直接跟你講我今天羅智強我就立刻提案你監察的出國預算這麼搞爛的話全三謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:24.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:26.326000+08:00","text":"主席，有請秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:26.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:30.450000+08:00","text":"麻煩秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:30.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:30.550000+08:00","text":"羅委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:31.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:31.691000+08:00","text":"秘書長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:32.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:42.021000+08:00","text":"我最近好好在監督監察院的預算，我忽然發現您過去主張廢除監察院是不對的，你知道為什麼嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:42.021000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:45.164000+08:00","text":"請羅委員指教。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:45.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:49.245000+08:00","text":"因為監察院是最高貴的機關、第一名的機關，很厲害！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:50.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:51.565000+08:00","text":"這種監察院廢掉太可惜了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:52.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:42:59.668000+08:00","text":"我們辦公室整理了114年度中央各機關院級到部級36個單位的預算，你知道哪個機關平均單項出國計畫是最貴的？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:42:59.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:00.668000+08:00","text":"我不知道這樣的計算標準來自哪裡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:00.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:01.668000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，你不知道，太謙虛了，監察院第一名！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:01.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:02.668000+08:00","text":"我不知道這樣的標準來自哪裡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:02.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:03.668000+08:00","text":"就是統計中央政府的預算、36個單位，你不知道啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:03.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:04.668000+08:00","text":"最高貴的機關就你們監察院，還謙虛，我告訴你。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:03.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:03.929000+08:00","text":"請問秘書長，114年監察院出國計畫幾個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:26.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:35.015000+08:00","text":"我們總共編列一千六百多萬吧？1,096萬。1,096萬？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:35.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:38.698000+08:00","text":"對，然後有5個所謂的出訪計畫，對不對？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:39.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:40.680000+08:00","text":"有5種不同類型。5個！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:41.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:44.283000+08:00","text":"平均每個220萬元，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:46.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:50.072000+08:00","text":"我要跟你講，我們辦公室整理的這36個單位，恭喜你！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:50.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:43:55.877000+08:00","text":"貴院的出國平均高貴度是114年度中央各機關的第一名。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:43:56.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:06.567000+08:00","text":"你知道監察院是所有機關裡面，除了是單項出國計畫最貴的機關……你知道外交部平均多少嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:07.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:08.108000+08:00","text":"你知不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:08.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:08.589000+08:00","text":"你的統計數字是200萬。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:10.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:14.798000+08:00","text":"對，外交部是200萬，然後行政院是多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:14.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:15.679000+08:00","text":"你們是行政院的幾倍？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:16.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:16.979000+08:00","text":"行政院平均是多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:18.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:20.241000+08:00","text":"我的數字是33.4萬。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:20.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:22.742000+08:00","text":"你看我對你們多好，數字都給你們看了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:24.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:30.005000+08:00","text":"所以是6.5倍，總出國經費你們也在36個單位裡面高居第5，是五院之首……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:30.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:30.805000+08:00","text":"所以剛剛……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:33.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:35.368000+08:00","text":"秘書長沒關係啦，我是要肯定你，不要緊張嘛！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:35.368000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:36.548000+08:00","text":"沒有，我……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:36.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:40.050000+08:00","text":"我要跟秘書長說，這麼高貴的監察院，你怎麼可以廢掉它？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:40.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:44.712000+08:00","text":"我要跟羅委員報告，第一個是人數不同，第二個是計畫也不同，出國計畫少……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:45.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:49.774000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，藉口理由千千萬……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:49.774000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:50.774000+08:00","text":"出國計畫少不見得……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:49.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:58.258000+08:00","text":"所以基本上外交部比起你們來講，人數也不重要，計畫也不重要，平均就比你們低不重要，行政院也不重要……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:58.258000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:44:59.258000+08:00","text":"沒有，我跟羅委員舉一個例子……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:44:58.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:03.861000+08:00","text":"我跟你講不用擔心啦，你們這麼高昂的出國計畫，我沒有怪你啊！","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:04.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:05.782000+08:00","text":"接下來看看你們出國計畫要幹什麼才是重點嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:05.782000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:06.782000+08:00","text":"我現在就在說明給羅委員聽……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:05.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:07.723000+08:00","text":"來，這麼高貴的監察院，如果今天依照秘書長你的意見把它廢掉的話，你們以後要怎麼開心出國啊，我很擔心欸！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:07.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:07.783000+08:00","text":"我想再問問你……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:07.783000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:08.783000+08:00","text":"廢掉監察院羅委員過去也提過啦……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:07.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:25.614000+08:00","text":"沒關係、沒關係，這叫水平比較嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:25.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:27.975000+08:00","text":"水平比較你一堆藉口，又是出國的人數、又是計畫的項目……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:27.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:28.975000+08:00","text":"我們這些預算告訴大家出國的人數多少、計畫內容是什麼……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:27.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:28.596000+08:00","text":"來來來，沒關係，我講完了嘛，不要緊張嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:28.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.596000+08:00","text":"我沒有緊張啊！","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:28.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.416000+08:00","text":"我講完水平，再講垂直嘛，好不好？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:30.416000+08:00","text":"我跟您說明嘛……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.636000+08:00","text":"我講垂直嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:29.636000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:30.697000+08:00","text":"計畫如果基準不對，後面的數字是沒有意義的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:30.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:32.658000+08:00","text":"好啦，我告訴你，對你來說，監察院存在就沒有意義，你現在講數字沒有意義，你都講監察院要廢掉了……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:32.658000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:33.658000+08:00","text":"你的基準不清楚，當然沒有意義啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:32.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:45:56.357000+08:00","text":"來來來，沒關係，水平你藉口多，那我們來看垂直，可以看垂直吧？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:45:57.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:00.730000+08:00","text":"請問你110年到114年監察院出國預算成長多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:05.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:06.206000+08:00","text":"1.54倍啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:06.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:08.828000+08:00","text":"如果數字不對，你們再告訴我，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:09.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:10.690000+08:00","text":"我看過數字啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:12.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:13.813000+08:00","text":"監委出國預算增幅是多少？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:14.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:16.055000+08:00","text":"那時候還沒有人權會，現在有人權會啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:16.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:16.435000+08:00","text":"隨便啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:16.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:18.077000+08:00","text":"我告訴你人權會以前隸屬在總統府……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:18.077000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:19.077000+08:00","text":"人權會編600萬啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:18.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:19.578000+08:00","text":"人權會以前在總統府是任務編組，在總統府的時候比你們的績效好得多啦！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:19.578000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:20.578000+08:00","text":"總統府我也待過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:20.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:21.780000+08:00","text":"你們的人權會根本就是陳菊的後花園，我還打算今天看能不能修法檢討咧！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:21.780000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:32.029000+08:00","text":"我沒有意見……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:32.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:38.494000+08:00","text":"今天沒跟你檢討人權會，今天光是講你的出國預算，講到人權會，人權會講得我一肚子火大，你們的人權會就是陳菊死刑廢除委員會啦！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:38.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:39.114000+08:00","text":"就是陳菊人權護衛委員會啦！","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:39.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:40.114000+08:00","text":"我想這樣講不公平啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:40.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:41.114000+08:00","text":"人權會剛剛鍾委員也強調……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:39.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:39.755000+08:00","text":"再講沒關係啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:39.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:41.096000+08:00","text":"請問監委出國預算增幅是多少？82%！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:56.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:46:57.807000+08:00","text":"我寫的數字不對請告訴我。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:46:59.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:08.333000+08:00","text":"正副院長出國預算增幅多少？125%啦！錯！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:08.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:08.553000+08:00","text":"還在錯咧！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:09.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:10.495000+08:00","text":"我告訴你錯在哪裡……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:10.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:13.638000+08:00","text":"不用啦，你又要把什麼國家人權委員會搬出來啦！","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:14.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:19.803000+08:00","text":"因為111年5月我們才有副院長，所以112年以後才開始編正副院長……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:19.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:23.307000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，就算把副院長加進來，你們增加一倍多！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:23.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:24.928000+08:00","text":"副院長編了30萬啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:26.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:32.679000+08:00","text":"你們的計畫增加一倍多，你的數學好不好啊？125%欸！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:32.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:34.240000+08:00","text":"兩倍多的預算，你跟我講沒有增加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:34.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:35.521000+08:00","text":"數字不是這樣算的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:35.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:47:36.221000+08:00","text":"沒有增加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:47:36.362000+08:00","guessed":fals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20T10:49:12.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:14.342000+08:00","text":"還有長野縣，在這裡啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:14.342000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:16.434000+08:00","text":"還有長野縣，這個我們說明過了啊！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:16.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:22.799000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，監察院不但是出國第一名，你也是耍廢第一名，我直接跟你說啦！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:22.799000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:23.799000+08:00","text":"羅委員，看東西不能只看一半……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:22.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:23.379000+08:00","text":"你的出國總體預算……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:23.379000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:24.379000+08:00","text":"看東西不能只看一半……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:23.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:26.141000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我告訴你，你的總體出國預算漲到外太空，你的專案調查反而在減少，我這樣說總沒錯吧！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:26.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:26.562000+08:00","text":"我沒說錯吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:26.562000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:35.779000+08:00","text":"你看你答不出來，心虛嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:35.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:37.461000+08:00","text":"來，我跟你講，你告訴我說你要到長野縣去，北海道只有棕熊，但你要去看黑熊，長野縣你也要去看黑熊，北海道明明只有棕熊，藉口那麼多！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:37.461000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:38.461000+08:00","text":"長野縣有黑熊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:38.461000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:39.461000+08:00","text":"那你講北海道看棕熊啊！我……","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:37.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:37.501000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:37.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:39.887667+08:00","text":"我跟你講我們預算裡面寫的是兩個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:39.887667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:42.274333+08:00","text":"秘書長、秘書長、秘書長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:42.274333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:44.661000+08:00","text":"我們預算寫的是兩個，不要只看自己愛看的，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:44.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:47.047667+08:00","text":"秘書長，長野縣你去看黑熊，我沒有意見啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:47.047667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:49.434333+08:00","text":"你到北海道看黑熊，我就有意見啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:49.434333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:51.821000+08:00","text":"你再拗嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:51.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:52.082000+08:00","text":"北海道本來就看棕熊嘛，很清楚嘛！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:52.082000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:55.188667+08:00","text":"但你給我寫到北海道看黑熊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:55.188667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:49:58.295333+08:00","text":"我們的任務是這一次……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:49:58.295333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:01.402000+08:00","text":"不要再拗了啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:01.402000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:04.508667+08:00","text":"我沒有拗，我要跟你說明清楚……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:04.508667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:07.615333+08:00","text":"沒關係，你要黑熊、棕熊你開心就好……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:07.615333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:10.722000+08:00","text":"我要跟你說明清楚……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:10.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:11.842000+08:00","text":"從103年8月到現在，關於動物及原住民的權益保障議題，監察院提出報告32案……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:11.842000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:30.930000+08:00","text":"這是兩個議題，我剛剛已經說明過了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:30.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:31.891000+08:00","text":"在2,612案的調查報告當中占1.2%。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:31.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.131000+08:00","text":"不能用全部的調查報告來計算嘛！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.271000+08:00","text":"好啦、好啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.811000+08:00","text":"全部的調查報告也不重要，你的經費多也不重要……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.811000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:33.811000+08:00","text":"年度也不對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:32.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:33.952000+08:00","text":"什麼都不重要，你李俊俋領監察院秘書長的薪水最重要，我懂啦！","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:50.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:52.504000+08:00","text":"廢監察院、領監察院秘書長的薪水你最開心啦！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:53.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:55.504000+08:00","text":"來、來、來，我告訴你……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:55.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:56.504000+08:00","text":"羅委員，這樣沒有意義啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:56.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:57.504000+08:00","text":"這樣的討論是沒有意義的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:56.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:50:59.926000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，你在這邊講廢監察院就讓你沒意義……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:59.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:00.926000+08:00","text":"我就事實討論，我剛剛跟你講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:50:59.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:03.086000+08:00","text":"你的存在本身就沒意義，還沒意義咧！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:03.086000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:04.247000+08:00","text":"你的存在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:04.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:06.207000+08:00","text":"監察院的薪水領得最有意義啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:06.207000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:07.207000+08:00","text":"社會自有公評……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:06.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:08.848000+08:00","text":"來，在監察院領薪水有沒有意義？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:08.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:09.848000+08:00","text":"社會自有公評。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:09.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:10.848000+08:00","text":"答不出來啦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:10.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:11.848000+08:00","text":"社會自有公評。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:11.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:12.848000+08:00","text":"有意義啦，我幫你背書啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:12.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:13.848000+08:00","text":"薪水那麼香怎麼會沒意義？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:13.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:14.848000+08:00","text":"監察院廢掉，但監察院秘書長的薪水還是要領，怎麼可以不領啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:14.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:15.848000+08:00","text":"監察院廢掉，我當然就辭職了啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:15.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:16.848000+08:00","text":"請羅委員提案啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:10.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:13.053000+08:00","text":"你今天調查報告只占1.2%，你說你的1.2%做得非常的棒、非常的高貴、非常的豪華，可以抵5萬8,497案！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:13.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:34.349000+08:00","text":"你講得這樣……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:34.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:35.290000+08:00","text":"羅委員，我說明得很清楚，年度不一樣，32案是最近……","quality":0.421},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:35.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:38.473000+08:00","text":"來來來，沒關係，我告訴你，我的結論很簡單，平常你們的調查報告，針對原住民的議題、針對動物保護議題，你就是沒有很高度的關心，但出國很關心啦！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:38.473000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:39.473000+08:00","text":"這四、五年來查了32案，你從103年開始算，當然不準嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:38.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:51:38.533000+08:00","text":"來來來，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:51:38.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:52:06.804000+08:00","text":"再來，監察院從2008年到現在跨越兩個政府，哪三年監察院提出來的考察意見項數最低？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李秘書長俊俋","start":"2024-11-20T10:52:06.804000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:52:07.804000+08:00","text":"我不知道你的意思……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:52:06.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:52:07.104000+08:00","text":"你又答不出來啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:52:07.124000+08:00","guessed":fa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"quality":0.526},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:07.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:07.819000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:08.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:18.007000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，你們心得寫得太棒，你們心得寫得太好，我一定要讓全國人民知道，其中有五點我真的嘆為觀止，簡直要趴在地上佩服啦！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:18.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:21.410000+08:00","text":"第一點，大家記得要用Siri，這是你們的心得一啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:21.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:26.836000+08:00","text":"心得二：記得要時時播放監察院的職權影片。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:26.836000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:32.262000+08:00","text":"心得三更偉大：不要給人民電話陳情，好棒啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:32.262000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:37.688000+08:00","text":"心得四：思維貧窮限制想像力，我都以為這是網路術語耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:37.688000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:43.114000+08:00","text":"貧窮限制想像力，原來監察院也這麼時髦啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:43.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:51.320000+08:00","text":"第五個：藉由考察聯繫過程，體會鍥而不捨的決心，化不可能為可能才是重要關鍵。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:51.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:02.067000+08:00","text":"你們出國的決心真的鍥而不捨，預算用最多，然後專案考察的項目最少，然後寫了這麼偉大的出國報告，我這邊直接跟你講，今天我羅智強就立刻提案，你監察院出國預算這麼搞爛的話，全刪！謝謝。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:02.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:03.995571+08:00","text":"謝謝羅委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:04.295571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:09.724143+08:00","text":"下一位請林思銘委員、林思銘委員、林思銘委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:10.024143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:13.738429+08:00","text":"接下來請鍾佳濱委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":693,"blocks":[["羅委員智強：（10時42分）主席，有請秘書長。"],["主席：麻煩秘書長。"],["李秘書長俊俋：羅委員好。"],["羅委員智強：秘書長好。我最近好好在監督監察院的預算，我忽然發現您過去主張廢除監察院是不對的，你知道為什麼嗎？"],["李秘書長俊俋：請羅委員指教。"],["羅委員智強：因為監察院是最高貴的機關、第一名的機關，很厲害！這種監察院廢掉太可惜了。我們辦公室整理了114年度中央各機關院級到部級36個單位的預算，你知道哪個機關平均單項出國計畫是最貴的？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我不知道這樣的計算標準來自哪裡。"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，你不知道，太謙虛了，監察院第一名！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我不知道這樣的標準來自哪裡。"],["羅委員智強：就是統計中央政府的預算、36個單位，你不知道啦！最高貴的機關就你們監察院，還謙虛，我告訴你。請問秘書長，114年監察院出國計畫幾個？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我們總共編列一千六百多萬吧？"],["羅委員智強：1,096萬。"],["李秘書長俊俋：1,096萬？"],["羅委員智強：對，然後有5個所謂的出訪計畫，對不對？"],["李秘書長俊俋：有5種不同類型。"],["羅委員智強：5個！平均每個220萬元，對不對？我要跟你講，我們辦公室整理的這36個單位，恭喜你！貴院的出國平均高貴度是114年度中央各機關的第一名。你知道監察院是所有機關裡面，除了是單項出國計畫最貴的機關……你知道外交部平均多少嗎？你知不知道？"],["李秘書長俊俋：你的統計數字是200萬。"],["羅委員智強：對，外交部是200萬，然後行政院是多少？你們是行政院的幾倍？行政院平均是多少？我的數字是33.4萬。你看我對你們多好，數字都給你們看了。所以是6.5倍，總出國經費你們也在36個單位裡面高居第5，是五院之首……"],["李秘書長俊俋：所以剛剛……"],["羅委員智強：秘書長沒關係啦，我是要肯定你，不要緊張嘛！"],["李秘書長俊俋：沒有，我……"],["羅委員智強：我要跟秘書長說，這麼高貴的監察院，你怎麼可以廢掉它？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我要跟羅委員報告，第一個是人數不同，第二個是計畫也不同，出國計畫少……"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，藉口理由千千萬……"],["李秘書長俊俋：出國計畫少不見得……"],["羅委員智強：所以基本上外交部比起你們來講，人數也不重要，計畫也不重要，平均就比你們低不重要，行政院也不重要……"],["李秘書長俊俋：沒有，我跟羅委員舉一個例子……"],["羅委員智強：我跟你講不用擔心啦，你們這麼高昂的出國計畫，我沒有怪你啊！接下來看看你們出國計畫要幹什麼才是重點嘛！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我現在就在說明給羅委員聽……"],["羅委員智強：來，這麼高貴的監察院，如果今天依照秘書長你的意見把它廢掉的話，你們以後要怎麼開心出國啊，我很擔心欸！我想再問問你……"],["李秘書長俊俋：廢掉監察院羅委員過去也提過啦……"],["羅委員智強：沒關係、沒關係，這叫水平比較嘛，對不對？水平比較你一堆藉口，又是出國的人數、又是計畫的項目……"],["李秘書長俊俋：我們這些預算告訴大家出國的人數多少、計畫內容是什麼……"],["羅委員智強：來來來，沒關係，我講完了嘛，不要緊張嘛！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我沒有緊張啊！"],["羅委員智強：我講完水平，再講垂直嘛，好不好？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我跟您說明嘛……"],["羅委員智強：我講垂直嘛！"],["李秘書長俊俋：計畫如果基準不對，後面的數字是沒有意義的。"],["羅委員智強：好啦，我告訴你，對你來說，監察院存在就沒有意義，你現在講數字沒有意義，你都講監察院要廢掉了……"],["李秘書長俊俋：你的基準不清楚，當然沒有意義啊！"],["羅委員智強：來來來，沒關係，水平你藉口多，那我們來看垂直，可以看垂直吧？請問你110年到114年監察院出國預算成長多少？1.54倍啦！如果數字不對，你們再告訴我，好不好？我看過數字啦！監委出國預算增幅是多少？"],["李秘書長俊俋：那時候還沒有人權會，現在有人權會啊！"],["羅委員智強：隨便啦！我告訴你人權會以前隸屬在總統府……"],["李秘書長俊俋：人權會編600萬啊！"],["羅委員智強：人權會以前在總統府是任務編組，在總統府的時候比你們的績效好得多啦！"],["李秘書長俊俋：總統府我也待過……"],["羅委員智強：你們的人權會根本就是陳菊的後花園，我還打算今天看能不能修法檢討咧！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我沒有意見……"],["羅委員智強：今天沒跟你檢討人權會，今天光是講你的出國預算，講到人權會，人權會講得我一肚子火大，你們的人權會就是陳菊死刑廢除委員會啦！就是陳菊人權護衛委員會啦！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我想這樣講不公平啦！人權會剛剛鍾委員也強調……"],["羅委員智強：再講沒關係啊！請問監委出國預算增幅是多少？82%！我寫的數字不對請告訴我。正副院長出國預算增幅多少？125%啦！"],["李秘書長俊俋：錯！"],["羅委員智強：還在錯咧！"],["李秘書長俊俋：我告訴你錯在哪裡……"],["羅委員智強：不用啦，你又要把什麼國家人權委員會搬出來啦！"],["李秘書長俊俋：因為111年5月我們才有副院長，所以112年以後才開始編正副院長……"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，就算把副院長加進來，你們增加一倍多！"],["李秘書長俊俋：副院長編了30萬啊！"],["羅委員智強：你們的計畫增加一倍多，你的數學好不好啊？125%欸！兩倍多的預算，你跟我講沒有增加？"],["李秘書長俊俋：數字不是這樣算的……"],["羅委員智強：沒有增加？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我剛剛跟你講111年5月副院長才就任，112年才開始編……"],["羅委員智強：秘書長你真的是，你滿會插話的。"],["李秘書長俊俋：不是，我就很明白的回答您的問題嘛！"],["羅委員智強：來，我告訴你……沒關係，你再找藉口嘛，繼續找藉口，你藉口多我知道。貴院不但是中央機關出國最高貴，你領導的監察院也是監察院有史以來最高貴，你們的監察院正副院長愛出國也是最高貴，然後我跟你講，我對你們監察院出國的能力，我的景仰有如滔滔江水連綿不絕啊！你找藉口的能力我也是很佩服。沒關係，真正跟監察院本務有關的赴外專案調查預算你知道增加還是減少？減少啦！連這個都不知道！"],["李秘書長俊俋：265萬……"],["羅委員智強：前面你都講得那麼開心、藉口一大堆……"],["李秘書長俊俋：265萬啊！編了265萬啊！"],["羅委員智強：減少21%啦！"],["李秘書長俊俋：對。"],["羅委員智強：對嘛！我跟你講，裡面還包括什麼？包括去沒有黑熊、只有棕熊的日本北海道考察黑熊……"],["李秘書長俊俋：還有長野縣，長野縣有黑熊。"],["羅委員智強：我在問你A，你答B幹嘛？"],["李秘書長俊俋：沒有，我很清楚……"],["羅委員智強：對啦！我知道大法官做你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