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這只是規劃會而已即便你現在所推動的第5期2916億這裡頭也不包括台南捷運這個捷運的部分目前還沒有完全核定的情況底下預算的財務計畫當中已經有出來了藍線、延伸線還有深綠線深綠線還沒有確定這種情況底下國會所主導的台南捷運納入這個造園計畫的可能性大不大國會請說"},{"start":156.369,"end":171.298,"text":"是,謝謝委員水星,我們現在在推動的造型計畫當然首批就是地方如果有需要的話都會納入地方有需要可是你要面對一個很大的政治變數啊財法法如果通過的話你中央還有這種錢嗎?你中央如果沒有這種預算編列的話那你要靠什麼錢?"},{"start":173.201,"end":200.656,"text":"來投入這些公件其實這個是希望說這個盡量開放讓民間特別是像保險業的基金能夠投入是這才有可能所有的這個重大公共建設都是預算在決定進度啊這才是最大的問題啊我希望你把深綠線台南這邊能夠達到後發限制的效果跟交通部交通部咧交通部你有聽到嗎好那有聽到就好你就可以回去了兩位回去好來接下來文化部跟那個"},{"start":202.118,"end":204.468,"text":"內政部委員好"},{"start":208.67,"end":234.215,"text":"部長你先上來就先聊吧部長我先跳過去一下齁我上次跟你提到的這一個曾文熙文化狼帶他基本上是定位成台南的文史的副都心的概念台南現在所有想到台南就想到舊府城區那個觀光壓力太大了一來我們要解壓我羅列了這十幾項齁你看一下齁總共有四個無形的文化資產齁這個王傳文化的四個文化資產"},{"start":235.555,"end":260.128,"text":"另外有11個有形的文化資產﹐不管它有沒有文史的身份﹐還有兩個活的博物館﹐也就是舊的紐墟﹐還有包括這個散化啤酒廠﹐都是在生產還在運轉當中的。這種情況底下﹐它足以堪稱成為一個文化互督心﹐我就教你的部分﹐五期的前瞻計畫裡邊列了9億的文化生活圈建設﹐"},{"start":261.269,"end":280.103,"text":"期待這麼久的文化廊區、期待這麼久的文史副都心有沒有機會納入當中啊?有,這是在我們的2.0就是重建歷史的2.0你們有編這個預算有編這個預算,所以這個會納入而且這個區是我自己個人花了很長時間做一個山海郡"},{"start":280.623,"end":280.763,"text":"主席"},{"start":303.648,"end":319.501,"text":"市長,交通的部分我就不講了啦整個南科化的延伸出去的公務體系當中生活圈道路一大堆還有包括生活這個水平的提升還有包括周遭區域的整個生活資源區跟產業資源區你們扮演一個很重要的角色"},{"start":320.242,"end":347.816,"text":"或往整個都市計畫的通盤檢討都是個別的行政區來做思考我建議真的你要從一個區域的角度來做思考而且南科校園的部分應該連同周遭幾個這一個行政區做一個區域性的做南科的生活區的思考這是第一個第二個部分的生活的提升公共建設的提升有一個很重要的部分就是你們那個署長有答應幾個這個社會住宅但是社會住宅如果單單只有就住社會住宅"},{"start":348.336,"end":348.416,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":372.911,"end":373.712,"text":"謝謝國管委員 接著我們請代會委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:53:43+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:53:44+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:53:43.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:53:45.894000+08:00","text":"有請國發會、經濟部、文化部、內政部及交通部。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T10:53:45.894000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:53:57.751000+08:00","text":"請國發會詹副主委、經濟部何次長、文化部李部長、內政部董次長、交通部伍次長。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:53:57.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:53:58.992000+08:00","text":"我先就教經濟。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:00.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:17.565000+08:00","text":"最近有三次颱風來襲，目前在治水部分，以前瞻計畫來說，前面4期加總累積起來，再加上第5期總共大概600億，但執行率只有八成。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:19.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:21.507000+08:00","text":"問題是：淹水還是持續發生！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:23.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:36.472000+08:00","text":"像本席選區中，包括劉厝排水、海埔排水、總爺、東北勢、新吉排水，我想就教次長，這次有沒有機會納入前瞻預算？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:37.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:38.193000+08:00","text":"總金額是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:38.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:40.314000+08:00","text":"請回復。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:40.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:40.494000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，這部分我們……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:40.494000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:41.494000+08:00","text":"沒有問題？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:40.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:41.114000+08:00","text":"總經費大概多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:44.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:45.810000+08:00","text":"我請署長來說明。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:45.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:47.710000+08:00","text":"署長請，把握時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:49.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:54.433000+08:00","text":"這次我們在8月30日核定了包括這幾個區域大概將近7.5億元的……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:55.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:54:57.414000+08:00","text":"7.5億元？對。不夠！當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T10:54:57.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:02.115000+08:00","text":"因為治水是從下游一直往上游……不對！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:02.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:05.817000+08:00","text":"你第一次給7.5億，所以加總起來大概十二、十三億，你要算清楚！","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:05.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:06.817000+08:00","text":"像總爺排水跟東北勢還是要往上做……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:06.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:07.817000+08:00","text":"你回去再算一下，不夠你要補。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:07.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:08.817000+08:00","text":"我們再透過平衡機制來做平衡。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:08.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:23.486000+08:00","text":"請國發會跟交通部。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:24.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:34.289000+08:00","text":"前瞻基礎建設中，捷運算是前瞻，但臺南是六都當中唯一沒有捷運的，而另外五都現在已經在運行的捷運總共有13條。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:34.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:40.751000+08:00","text":"目前新建當中的捷運總共有16條，總經費是8,434億，臺南連一條都沒有！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:41.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:55:52.974000+08:00","text":"以1到5期推動都市捷運計畫來說，臺南只分到2億2,540萬，占所有總經費的0.39%，等於只有規劃費而已。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:55:53.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:01.559000+08:00","text":"即便現在所推動的第5期2,916億也不包括臺南捷運。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:01.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:11.745000+08:00","text":"在捷運尚未完全核定的情況下，預算的財務計畫已經有藍線、延伸線，還有深綠線，不過深綠線還沒確定。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:12.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:18.008000+08:00","text":"這種情況下，國發會所主導的把臺南捷運納入兆元計畫的可能性大不大？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:18.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:18.028000+08:00","text":"請國發會說明。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"詹副主任委員方冠","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:20.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:20.550000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員垂詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"詹副主任委員方冠","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:20.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:26.153000+08:00","text":"我們現在所推動的兆元計畫，首批當然就是地方有需要的話都會納入。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"詹副主任委員方冠","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:26.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:27.153000+08:00","text":"現在有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:26.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:27.234000+08:00","text":"地方有需要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:27.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:29.515000+08:00","text":"可是你面對很大的政治變數！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:29.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:32.057000+08:00","text":"財劃法如果通過的話，中央還有這種錢嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:32.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:36.681000+08:00","text":"中央如果沒有這種預算編列的話，你要靠什麼錢來投入這些公建？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"詹副主任委員方冠","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:38.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:43.445000+08:00","text":"這是希望儘量開放讓民間，特別是像保險業的資金能夠投入。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:44.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:44.926000+08:00","text":"是，這才有可能。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:45.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:50.489000+08:00","text":"所有重大公共建設都是預算在決定進度，這才是最大問題！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:51.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:55.332000+08:00","text":"我希望臺南深綠線能達到後發先至的效果，跟交通部……交通部呢？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:57.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:59.174000+08:00","text":"有聽到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2024-11-20T10:56:59.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:56:59.174000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:00.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:01.295000+08:00","text":"有聽到就好，你可以回去了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:02.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:05.218000+08:00","text":"接下來請教文化部和內政部。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:05.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:07.448000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:11.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:13.490000+08:00","text":"既然部長先上來就先聊吧！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:16.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:29.353000+08:00","text":"上次跟部長提到曾文溪文化廊帶，基本上是定位成臺南文史副都心的概念，因為現在想到臺南就想到舊府城區，這觀光壓力太大了，所以我們要減壓。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:29.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:57:52.723000+08:00","text":"我羅列了十幾項，請部長看一下，總共有4個無形文化資產，包括王船文化在內的4個文化資產；另外有11個有形文化資產，不管有無文史身分；還有兩個活的博物館，也就是舊牛墟、善化啤酒廠都是尚在生產運轉當中的。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:57:53.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:09.633000+08:00","text":"在這種情況底下，足以成為一個文化副都心，所以我要就教部長，第5期前瞻計畫裡編列了9億的文化生活圈建設，而上述是我們期待這麼久的文化廊區、文史副都心，請問有沒有機會納入？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:10.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:15.417000+08:00","text":"有，這次在我們重建歷史2.0計畫裡有編這項預算。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:15.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:15.998000+08:00","text":"有編預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:16.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:17.098000+08:00","text":"所以這個會納入？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:19.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:22.842000+08:00","text":"這一區我個人花了很長時間做了山海圳，在沒有來文化部之前，我個人花了18年的時間在這一區……","quality":0.359},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:22.842000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:26.351429+08:00","text":"我邀請部長改天去懷舊一下，好不好？可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:26.351429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:29.860857+08:00","text":"我們從山邊到海邊走一趟，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:29.860857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:33.370286+08:00","text":"我走過很多遍。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:33.370286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:36.879714+08:00","text":"可以嗎？可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:36.879714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:40.389143+08:00","text":"我們期待跟部長在臺南見面，謝謝部長，請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:40.389143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:43.898571+08:00","text":"請內政部次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2024-11-20T10:58:43.898571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T10:58:47.408000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2024-11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5 期特別預算案\n（114年度）」（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310301_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}