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複製本會通過臨時提案二案宣讀完畢"},{"start":1915.209,"end":1928.603,"text":"請問我們各位委員上次的會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏沒有好那我們議事錄就確定那我們繼續進行報告事項和討論事項請先讀"},{"start":1931.789,"end":1933.77,"text":"政府總預算決議．檢送海洋保育署決議．海洋保育業務預算凍結50萬元書面報告。"},{"start":1961.221,"end":1985.138,"text":"三、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況並備質詢。 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海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關"},{"start":2163.195,"end":2166.658,"text":"總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":2192.6,"end":2215.638,"text":"好沒有了我就介紹我們現場的委員及官員首先我介紹我們張宏祿委員王美惠委員黃潔委員麥一貞委員習新穎委員劉行廷委員楊求英委員"},{"start":2227.214,"end":2253.133,"text":"今天我們類型的官員有我們的海委會主委我們的管碧玲管主委海巡署我們的周美武周署長政務副主委許文玲許副主委常務副主委吳美江副主委"},{"start":2255.816,"end":2263.781,"text":"中核規劃處王一中海域安全處處長黃軒凱科技文教處黃世維國際發展處處長謝雅潔海洋資源處處長王茂成主計處處長"},{"start":2290.925,"end":2301.11,"text":"黃明黃海洋保育署署長黃向文國家海洋研究院院長陳建宏"},{"start":2319.644,"end":2340.983,"text":"海行署北部分署分署長廖德勝中部分署分署長王振信南部分署分署長宋子洋東部分署分署長蔡順元"},{"start":2344.349,"end":2368.484,"text":"金馬鵬分署副分署長蔡茂成東南沙分署分署長陳俊傑艦隊分署分署長廖德成曾黃分署分署長黃世賢"},{"start":2371.36,"end":2383.407,"text":"教育訓練測考中心主任奉運生。 以上我們類型的官員。內政部地政司檢任市長張哲銘"},{"start":2399.366,"end":2406.632,"text":"那岩志明委員會經濟發展處專門委員高文斌好謝謝法務部法制司副署長謝志明司法院行政訴訟懲戒廳法官陳彥寧"},{"start":2426.467,"end":2449.073,"text":"經濟部能源署專門委員游祥偉、農業部漁業署署長張志聖、環境部水質保護師檢任基政朱文蒂、"},{"start":2453.607,"end":2460.231,"text":"財政部國產署檢任記證周富成好謝謝交通部行政司檢任記證鄭宏鎮好謝謝就差不多了吧以上我們列席官員"},{"start":2492.93,"end":2496.897,"text":"好接下來我們請提案委員說明提案的要求我們楊從英委員好謝謝"},{"start":2514.232,"end":2515.993,"text":"主席楊瓊發言針對於本院楊瓊等委員、圖人有贈與《海洋保育法》有其急迫性因為現行法規沒有辦法落實海洋保育的目標此外"},{"start":2532.987,"end":2547.664,"text":"海洋委員會成立之後應該有完整的法規整合海洋保育事務以利我國推行海洋保育的政策並明確來規範對於海洋生物多樣性以及海洋生態系統長期的一個養護"},{"start":2550.848,"end":2552.05,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":2569.913,"end":2588.207,"text":"審查員、觀察員在海域傳播海洋設施、海域工程或者是其周圍從事著海洋保育相關業務在觀察、監測當中以及收集相關資料的這些任務特別在21條跟22條裡頭也就是推廣海洋保育生物多樣性的培育課程"},{"start":2597.733,"end":2602.735,"text":"以及跟整個國際間能夠來合作特別在25條裡頭也就是主管金管單位應該在適當的時間以適當的方式主動公開海洋生態與環境科學有關的這些資訊讓大家一起來維護我們的海洋以上也敬請各位同仁以及我們的行政部門大家來支持謝謝"},{"start":2626.786,"end":2640.323,"text":"好謝謝我們楊瓊英委員的提案那再來請我們海洋委員會我們的主委我們的管碧玲主委報告113年的預算解凍案及法案一併報告"},{"start":2649.057,"end":2675.676,"text":"主席各位委員各位政府官員同仁各位媒體記者女士先生大家早安首先恭喜各位委員容任期盼在新的屆期裡與諸位先進共同為我國政府施政一起努力今天應邀列席大院內政委員會就主管的業務提出報告深感榮幸並請委員給予指教本會112年"},{"start":2678.078,"end":2693.54,"text":"完成了《海洋產業發展條例》、《海洋污染防治法》及《海岸巡防機關器械使用條例》的立法、修法的工作並積極向行政院爭取適足的裁員及員額致力於打造永續的海洋台灣"},{"start":2694.321,"end":2714.379,"text":"我在就任以後對海洋委員會的期許就是我們要做好三安四海三安主要為海巡署的業務我們要維護國家的國安治安以及救生救難上人員的平安以及四海包含了海洋污染的防治海洋廢棄物的治理"},{"start":2714.919,"end":2741.871,"text":"以及海洋產業的發展跟海洋生態的保育在三安四海這方面有關三安的部分我們持續改善同仁、執法環境、工具環境、待遇環境的三大環境我們也成立了安博國家隊我們推動千里漁園以及重建四重的保護來保護漁民成立海巡志工團隊啟用GoOcean 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112年我們驅離抽砂船7艘並且推動專精法跟屠宰法的修法三讀通過此後違法的抽砂所有船舶或設備不問屬於犯罪人所有與否都可以沒收。"},{"start":2895.268,"end":2902.993,"text":"有關於建構層層的環護提升海域安全的部分我們修正了接獲我國搜救責任區外救生救難通報事件處理原則這是因為我們千里送藥之後我們發現對於漁民需要更增加多重的保護"},{"start":2912.7,"end":2936.566,"text":"因此我們建立了4層保護網來保護我們的漁民尤其是遠洋作業的漁民我們提高漁船協助救援角度以及放寬海洋船員處方簽領要上線在跨部會協調的會議上這些都已經是既定的方針我們並且成立安博國家隊112年我們台灣的漁船跟商船增加119艘加入美國全球"},{"start":2939.968,"end":2944.997,"text":"政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關"},{"start":2951.857,"end":2974.366,"text":"在全球官方的救援體系跟我國漁船的互助救援以及海巡署的救援之外再增加這一個安博國家隊等於包括我國所有的漁民在海上可以有這四重的保護這四重的保護包括我再重複一遍第一全球官方的一個國際救援的體系"},{"start":2975.166,"end":2999.15,"text":"第2我國漁船互助的救援我們增加了救援的獎勵金第3海巡署的救援我們可以千里送藥萬里搜尋以及第4層也就是安博系統的國際救援這4層的保護的救援體系層層防護我們希望漁民在哪裡政府就在哪裡我們也定期辦理聯合救生救難的演練"},{"start":2999.89,"end":3026.013,"text":"實行救援任務374件642人推動海巡志工開發GoOcean海洋油氣的風險資訊APP另外協助地方政府以揭露風險取代禁止管制這個政策的方向例如像宜蘭的南澳海域即將就將會開放海域油氣的活動是在這個方案之下推動的成果之一"},{"start":3026.934,"end":3036.36,"text":"有關於落實海烏的查緝跟應處海洋污染的部分我們組織了跨機關聯合稽查小組查核傳播3830艘次運用衛星跟無人機監控海烏新建5處應變資材倉庫辦理28場兵棋的推演海烏緊急應變培訓了629人次並且應變了181件的海烏事件"},{"start":3052.851,"end":3070.278,"text":"來檢反海汙的危機我們每一季監測125處的海域水質狀況普遍良好在有關於健全海費治理的部分我們提升循環經濟作為主要的政策目標清除海費16,018公噸招募5,969艘環保艦隊跟4,284名前海戰將我們試辦海會肥瘦的再利用"},{"start":3078.641,"end":3082.863,"text":"保利容債利用91.2公噸債利用率100%我們串聯了51家機構活絡海費再生聯盟發展55種產品未來我們將和國際鏈結讓這些產業能夠在國際的展場上面露面我們也投入多元的量能來保育海洋的生態"},{"start":3099.833,"end":3106.259,"text":"我們完成了桃園新竹藻礁調查4個季次珊瑚監測調查31處系統性分析臺灣周邊生態資料針對金屯等7處擬定保育做計劃另外推廣祭祕措施減緩混和"},{"start":3117.55,"end":3132.499,"text":"聯合稽查離岸風場11次確保落實各項環境影響減輕措施來防患外來入侵種的部分也審核了輸入案達947件優化救援組織網救援金屯150支158支及海歸321支充實海洋保護區的治理能力的部分我們續推友善賞金2.0跟友善釣魚開放釣點156處"},{"start":3145.467,"end":3169.241,"text":"也成立了白海豚巡護艦隊招募海洋志工382名有關白海豚的守護我們在去年間有非常多的觀察看到了令人非常驚喜的海豚的家族也就是白海豚在我們的海域裡面悠遊而且他們都已經能夠生生不息的有了下一代的寶寶在撫育的過程之中"},{"start":3170.381,"end":3178.565,"text":"有關於推廣生態旅遊的部分﹐振興藍色經濟的部分﹐我們也推動地方政府發展海洋事務﹐總共有29項計劃﹐補助經費7098萬元﹐籌組了專業的輔導團隊﹐發展在地的特色﹐我們也做了很多的輔導作業。"},{"start":3188.109,"end":3209.783,"text":"我們另外完成了110年跟111年海洋產業的產值的試算這個產值試算的體系的建立是非常的不容易我們至少已經完成了這個我們海洋產業產值試算的體系並且做了第一次的試算那以後可以作為我們擬定政策參考的一個很重要的依據"},{"start":3210.603,"end":3225.967,"text":"而且辦理了5次的會議來檢討小琉球潮間帶的管理措施朝向推動遊客總量管制來規劃等3管旗下的方式希望進行海域遊器的整合管理另外我們也落實國艦國造已經交船92艘帶動造船產業的技術開發"},{"start":3231.369,"end":3250.106,"text":"預計今年會有29艘新船即將要交建。另外在推動淨零排放完善法令研討的部分我們也完成了研擬紅樹林跟海草床的探會方法學而且也賦予了珊瑚計3000株另外完備海洋相關的法制"},{"start":3250.706,"end":3270.161,"text":"前面由述及我們修正了海岸循環機關器械使用條例海洋污染防治法並且施行海洋產業發展條例另外推動海洋保育法希望今天以由昭偉納入今天的議程我們在稍後將向各位委員報告草案的重點"},{"start":3271.082,"end":3284.738,"text":"其他包括充實科研的資料、鼓勵價值的應用、培育海洋的素養、深化海洋的教育這一點海洋素養典範國家將是我們推動的目標在這一點我們也推動得非常的順利"},{"start":3286.34,"end":3315.251,"text":"另外我們為了形塑海洋的意識推廣海洋的教育我們有諾大師的這個競賽的活動目前和韓國我們可能會去籌劃諾大師競賽的亞洲杯朝向這樣的目標在邁進希望能夠促進深化海洋教育培育海洋素養的成果那另外我們在形塑海洋文化推動文資保存加強國際交流促進多邊合作"},{"start":3315.771,"end":3330.227,"text":"以及健全人力結構、優化場域環境等等方面也都相當努力相關的成果請各位參照書面的資料有關於未來的施政重點包括"},{"start":3330.728,"end":3359.626,"text":"我們必須持續掌握海域的情勢守護國家的安全必須嚴處走私盜殺強化海上的治安必須增進救難的能量保障人民的平安我們也必須推升海霧的量能來強化減災的整備我們還要周延海廢的治理促進海廢的再生保護生態的環境永續海洋的資源推動海洋的事務促進無礙的海洋"},{"start":3360.166,"end":3380.181,"text":"等等這些工作在未來我們都設定了年度的工作目標一步一步朝目標持續的邁進有關於推展海洋淨零健全法證規章的部分前進寬闊的南海擴大科研交流的部分豐富海洋文化深耕海洋教育的部分以及接軌國際趨勢締結由我夥伴的部分"},{"start":3383.383,"end":3389.346,"text":"有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關"},{"start":3399.651,"end":3417.588,"text":"四海也就是海洋生態的保育海洋污染的防治跟海洋廢棄物的治理和海洋產業的發展這三人四海是海委會肩負的職責海委會將持續規劃各項施政的措施傾聽各界的意見來實踐海洋台灣讓民眾能夠與海共生與海共榮"},{"start":3421.992,"end":3439.64,"text":"最後關於2月14日取締大陸及快艇的事故本會責成海巡署成立策進小組我們也要求策進小組全面通盤的檢討在無論是在勤務的管理無論是在裝設備的"},{"start":3441.502,"end":3463.864,"text":"管理的部分以及在這一次我們所發現的在通報以及修正的這些部分我們確實發現了有不足之處這一次的事件我們相當的哀痛我要再度在這裡表達非常高度的不捨跟高度的遺憾跟高度的哀悼"},{"start":3464.945,"end":3478.681,"text":"發生這樣的事情我們不願意看到19年前第一次發生過一次19年後的今天我們再發生了一次執法的目標我們是要免於傷亡為最高的目標"},{"start":3479.862,"end":3505.358,"text":"這次無論無論有沒有過失無論海巡有沒有過失因為我們沒有收證的影帶讓整個事件在處理的過程當中無法迅速的招公信也讓家屬無法很快的去了解案情以安家屬之心讓家屬在煎熬之中度過這麼久的時間至今事情未得到解決"},{"start":3506.238,"end":3521.067,"text":"沒有修正好造成的影響社會的震盪跟大家的傷痛是多麼的嚴重這件事情我們一定會痛加檢討我們的海巡署的副署長已經在記者會公開表示過"},{"start":3522.108,"end":3546.398,"text":"公開道歉。我們的署長也已經在上香與家屬的接見的過程之中也表達了歉意。我們過去因為沒有蒐證的這件事情發生了這樣的一個令人感到傷痛的過程。我今天也在這裡再度表達歉意。我們對社會對家屬就這件事情的部分確實應該要痛加的檢討。"},{"start":3547.418,"end":3556.804,"text":"那未來我跟各位報告就是說在就任以後從3月份開始就責成海巡署要對所有的裝設備做一個全盤的盤點那麼在4月份28號的時候也責成說這個盤點有所需要要成立建案來推動"},{"start":3565.829,"end":3576.94,"text":"所謂成立建案就是一定要用中長期計劃把所有我們的裝設備之所需要做了全盤的盤點之後能夠用中長期計劃來推動這個中長期計劃在今年1月份也已經完成"},{"start":3581.864,"end":3597.049,"text":"我修改了計劃希望所有平滑預算的處理方式能夠改成一次補足逐年汰換所以這個計劃目前是以一次補足逐年汰換的方式我們將用中長期計劃來完成所有裝設備的"},{"start":3600.23,"end":3605.612,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央"},{"start":3624.099,"end":3641.704,"text":"所以在這一次的事件之後我們非常迅速的就計算出所謂密錄器應該要補足的數量而很快的在這個部分我們可以抽出來在今年就來進行不必等到中長期計劃的核定以上為各位所做的是今天的第一個課題我們的業務報告請委員指正"},{"start":3645.265,"end":3654.378,"text":"另外有關於預算的報告因為兩案已經用報告案來通過之後我僅報告其中的第三案列為討論事項也就是"},{"start":3656.215,"end":3680.345,"text":"上個會期審議我們所主管113年預算案決議通過稅出預算281億4882萬1千元並且凍結三項預算合計150萬元其中有關海巡署50萬元的部分那麼有關於這個部分我們首先就海巡業務的部分目前辦理的進度提出報告第一個在確保艦艇"},{"start":3681.906,"end":3710.789,"text":"建船艇的妥善率方面海巡署除了按計劃辦理建船艇稅大修保養外也提報新式建船艇的建造計劃逐年汰換老舊巡防艦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主委其實我知道這就是我們海洋基本法通過之後會慢慢的面臨的這些問題不管是產業不管是人民我今天質詢我提出這個就是我只有一個目的"},{"start":5238.035,"end":5252.53,"text":"我們看到了問題了但這個問題不是馬上可以解決但我們是要有準備去解決問題的決心要慢慢來做啦我的看法是這樣跟委員報告這是我們海資處的處長特別請他把我們民間在海洋產業發展的過程當中"},{"start":5257.575,"end":5260.196,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":5285.522,"end":5307.377,"text":"對啦,因為就像主委所說的未來面臨的會很多金融的是一部分剛剛主委講的漁權、漁業跟這些就是我們到時候要面對的問題啦所以現在要有所準備啦我的意思就是這樣那就要請大家一起努力啦謝謝,謝謝委員"},{"start":5315.661,"end":5319.865,"text":"謝謝,我們感謝張宏祿委員,我們請劉徐廷委員。還有一個主委有請喔,謝謝。來,主委。劉委員好。"},{"start":5337.589,"end":5341.674,"text":"主委早安我們繼續追蹤一下金門撞船的事情現在3月5號大陸的台辦副主任講說顯然對於我們談判的結果不是特別滿意他說反正否認事實謊話連篇反正又指控我們說設置各種障礙所以感覺不歡而散 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談判當然要保密嘛這些內容當然不應該為外人所盜那是不是你政府在保密的部分要做得好一點不管是藍的或者是綠的都不應該有什麼奇怪的知情洩露不應該有這個狀況嘛 對不對"},{"start":5515.334,"end":5533.88,"text":"所以我是提醒政府這部分要避免啦 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海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":6584.514,"end":6587.137,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度"},{"start":6607.176,"end":6614.258,"text":"我必須要講一下目前這個水下噪音的問題大家也都很關心包括現在風場的探勘施工還有工作船的來回航行的狀況那我這邊有一個資料是現在的海豚協會他們針對金豚的擱淺舊商的統計資料從2015開始就有一些苗栗漿化的風場因為現在開發商非常密集的探勘然後金豚的擱淺數量已經是翻倍了"},{"start":6636.466,"end":6657.922,"text":"是這樣子嗎?這邊跟委員報告就是說針對金豚擱淺其實我們長期有監測那我們在看資料的時候剛提到有些像鹿脊鼠海豚其實數量最高都是在金門跟連鄉等離島縣市那在台灣西海岸的擱淺數量實際上在這最近幾年並沒有非常明顯增加的狀況"},{"start":6658.883,"end":6678.038,"text":"那您剛提到有些翻倍我們去看一下數量可能是從一支變兩支或兩支變四支那實際上因為大部分的擱淺精純其實死亡的時候的狀況不太能夠辨別他的死因所以基本上我們目前在看跟離岸封建應該還找不到直接的關係或數字我們會持續監測"},{"start":6679.099,"end":6701.849,"text":"當然我們不希望說就是這個海下的噪音可能會間接不管直接或間接啦如果有影響到這個金屯的保育都是我們值得關注的因為我也不希望說我們現在這麼努力的在做離岸風電結果大家發現說如果這些成果必須要靠金屯的擱淺來交換的話變成血色風電這是大家最擔心的事情"},{"start":6702.769,"end":6705.29,"text":"海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":6727.657,"end":6756.376,"text":"它其實並沒有被放在這個水下噪音的建議的一個指標生物裡面因為它其實只有用到這個中華白海豚的就是限值而已那我這邊希望的建議是可不可以我們也跟環境部來建議把這個這個建議的噪音標準就是漏積水海豚水下噪音的忍受值是140分貝我們也把它放進去是不是也可以提出這樣的建議呢"},{"start":6759.518,"end":6779.549,"text":"實際上日剛提到包括海保署在前幾年通過的金屯觀察員就是希望風電發展過程中必須要監測金屯那後來包括我們提出離岸風電的生態調查指引還有最近的水下噪音指引就是希望說減緩這些可能打樁可能造成的噪音去影響到所有金屯"},{"start":6779.889,"end":6781.23,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":6800.62,"end":6818.602,"text":"好那再來是說因為現在我們對陸基礎海豚的棲地範圍其實是沒有基本的調查的所以我也希望說我們可不可以就是針對台灣本島周邊的海域來做基本的棲地調查然後之後再推動要劃設海洋庇護區的時候有一個參考的指引呢"},{"start":6820.088,"end":6839.478,"text":"謝謝委員。我們的鯨豚調查剛提到陸幾屬海豚在離島比較多所以其實在金門、連江最近幾年我們有新的計畫那包括在台灣本島的部分過去早期我們從東岸開始做因為東岸的鯨豚比較多但最近兩年我們開始延伸到包括北部、南部跟西海岸都有就是希望可以完善所有鯨豚種類的調查"},{"start":6840.959,"end":6864.6,"text":"好 謝謝那最後我有幾點建議就是說大家會覺得說現在我們海洋保護區的生態監測跟執行管理還不夠透明這個資訊透明我相信是一個基本的功課也希望我們接下來可以把這些資訊都更公開另外就是這個海保法裡面提到的海洋庇護區有核心區緩衝區跟永續利用區因為這個到底如何劃設具體劃設以及它的標準我相信是"},{"start":6867.182,"end":6894.464,"text":"不管是環團還是漁業團體還有跟水上有關的使用者都會非常的關心這個我希望接下來也可以要有一個很明確的指引並且跟大家都做溝通那最後一個建議就是這個海上的觀察員因為其實大家會說過去也有一些例如說八池門的辯護人裡面有提到說這個觀察員的安全到底要如何保障如何客觀獨立的執行他的職務"},{"start":6895.505,"end":6924.765,"text":"這個部分我也希望我們接下來在執行的時候可以給予一定的基本的保障可以嗎?這邊很快回答委員三項建議第一項提到有關於資料可能不是那麼公開透明因為過去可能散在各個機關所以我們這幾年有成立海洋保護區的特別的網站把各機關的相關報告都放在那個地方讓民眾可以很快的看到那後面關於觀察員的部分我們會有相關的執法去規範他的資格跟相關的安全措施"},{"start":6926.166,"end":6927.706,"text":"海洋秘護區的劃設準則與方式。"},{"start":6957.26,"end":6959.482,"text":"王美惠委員主席"},{"start":6976.431,"end":6980.653,"text":"黃議員好主委在這裡本時要先幫你探討一下三位策略,我們在苗栗外海發生的事情,你覺得這個總統有三個大陸的尊嚴嗎?"},{"start":6992.591,"end":6996.094,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":7015.549,"end":7019.174,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7028.004,"end":7057.239,"text":"這就是從頭到尾你都知道,不是在外面說的,你不知道喔?都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都知道,都"},{"start":7057.899,"end":7084.13,"text":"你是沒有作為或是沒有協議?我們有作為,我們是派一百棟要出海,出海去到九尾河的時候,風險太壞,十幾,真的危險,按照我們的標準,我同意的,那棟嶺我看真的風險很壞,現在先回來,等風險好再過去看吧。當然啦,我們的弟兄、姊妹安全要顧下去啦。是,因為那次我們都不敢寬恒。"},{"start":7084.69,"end":7086.332,"text":"以前跟我們的新黃庭是不一樣的構造,安全係數不一樣。是不是我們派小吃去,我們會大吃?"},{"start":7093.218,"end":7104.321,"text":"這個時候我們有沒有通報?我現在問你,你的官員還在海洋大廈的時候,是我們派了太貴小隻還是太大隻?還是我們的總副沒工?我們有通過這次在西北水域的宜蘭縣,但是宜蘭縣那個時候有在掛,所以他掛了有水欄下。"},{"start":7118.325,"end":7126.09,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":7140.899,"end":7157.567,"text":"我們的計算這三家村在結工的早期2天在1點的時候在大潭外海往西北離開脫鎖再往北部繼續走的時候在早期6點外的時候議案件給驅離結果是這樣結果是這樣本身是要說覺得它是要挑釁我們的"},{"start":7170.313,"end":7171.534,"text":"海洋委員會凍結50萬元書面報告．請查照案。"},{"start":7193.097,"end":7210.804,"text":"這三屆雷達控制專業研判有兩家4.8海浬的速度,這是在拖靠近,還有一家10海浬的速度往北,這是在航行,應該是避風經過。你剛才所說的,你的雷達也有控制,也不是像外國人說的,你的雷達海浬。完全在控制當中。"},{"start":7216.707,"end":7223.331,"text":"因為有本事所了解的外靠的團結說你們在台海,所以你們沒了解跟本人在那裡,這樣在那裡,走在那裡的衝浪,有10日、日、9、6日,這樣,這個範圍有一點點空白。"},{"start":7235.168,"end":7236.069,"text":"總預算有關海洋委員會函．"},{"start":7256.227,"end":7260.711,"text":"移民收到他的利益在海的時候,應該來發結,這樣就太慢了。所以在這幾天,我們也有群臨感,台北感,知道已經對我們最重要的加油,所以你們要好好做,還有"},{"start":7277.304,"end":7283.467,"text":"這兩天讓他們知道說, 台灣是有辦法保護台灣的市民啦。 跟你們如果要來抓台灣過海的時候,這是我們的處理, 不是不會處理的啦。"},{"start":7292.91,"end":7296.032,"text":"來 主委你有什麼要補充我們總體來說真的我也不敢說白白的說我們百分之一百都有辦法所以我們有進步的空間我也不敢這樣說有時候尤其是海洋還是東北地方來你看東北地方來的時候配合加這個就進來我們這裡要漂風它對方也是進來漂風的像這種就越界進來"},{"start":7321.084,"end":7325.187,"text":"政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關"},{"start":7348.482,"end":7352.304,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":7374.358,"end":7374.518,"text":"凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7389.312,"end":7390.434,"text":"有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":7406.075,"end":7406.576,"text":"海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府函，請查照案。"},{"start":7421.474,"end":7422.614,"text":"請查照案。 請查照案。 請查照案。"},{"start":7447.601,"end":7449.082,"text":"函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。"},{"start":7466.329,"end":7470.83,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":7489.315,"end":7494.381,"text":"總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．"},{"start":7503.834,"end":7504.194,"text":"委員會函，請查照案。"},{"start":7526.542,"end":7531.164,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7555.209,"end":7558.45,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7579.743,"end":7581.185,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7596.841,"end":7614.442,"text":"本席對我們的海洋的變化以及海洋的保育的觀念日益受到重視那目前法律單一或是多種的目標的海洋保育的對象也負累整體海域環境的保護因此本席也非常贊同海洋的保護做出更積極的貢獻"},{"start":7616.304,"end":7633.668,"text":"尤其我們也要呼籲國際以及永續的發展全球的生物多樣性的公約提升台灣海域的呼籲海洋的生物多樣性營造一個健康的生態那我們所牽動的還有環保以及產業雙重的課程"},{"start":7638.449,"end":7653.823,"text":"制定了推動的過程有哪一些需要跟社會溝通以及行政的協調請主委來做說明一下跟專委報告就是說整個海洋保育法牽涉到的最核心關鍵的當然是我們要劃設庇護區"},{"start":7657.026,"end":7658.067,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":7677.416,"end":7680.578,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":7707.132,"end":7729.01,"text":"所以各界經過一次又一次的溝通以後拿出來的這個版本都用這個最務實最要去多贏或雙贏的機制來做海洋的報告就是審議會的機制這個審議會的機制是很要緊的一個關鍵中間的關鍵就是說我所有議會有關的各方面都進來了"},{"start":7736.576,"end":7742.978,"text":"大眾議員,我們好好談,我們知道說要報告,很快就無法報告了。 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海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":7946.824,"end":7948.566,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":7963.432,"end":7970.855,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":7987.742,"end":7992.946,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度"},{"start":8009.517,"end":8011.439,"text":"美國現在拜登總統他也想要在他的任內去為一個保護庫所以他現在有一個原住民的相關的保護庫已經有處刑了他這個處刑到公民審議所15年了15年才為一個保護庫"},{"start":8030.1,"end":8035.403,"text":"所以這條路是一個很凍結的路,沒有以前走的真的是不會浮啊,我們的魚都抓不到啊。好,主委,因為我大致上,我看早上我們的所有的委員對於我們的海洋保護法的推動應該大家都會贊成啦,但是你後面都是溝通的方面,是,永無止境的努力,要跟各單位保安"},{"start":8056.115,"end":8077.459,"text":"議會還有環保人士、產業人士我們都要結合去溝通因為台灣海洋的資源是非常豐富尤其你說在我們的花蓮、台東以及我們離島這是我們海洋值得去維護這是我們共同努力謝謝,謝謝召委謝謝,我們感謝吳清明召委我們請徐欣盈委員"},{"start":8093.796,"end":8099.059,"text":"本席有請管主委。請問您就任海委會主委以來,最念茲在茲的業務是什麼?"},{"start":8115.592,"end":8141.885,"text":"各位委員報告我關心的事情非常的多那海保法當然是我心頭非常重視的一塊那另外就是海巡的同仁還有海巡的同仁執法環境他們的裝備的工具環境還有他們的福利待遇環境這三大環境"},{"start":8148.433,"end":8152.92,"text":"本席在想說你的念茲在茲應該不會是宜居的辦公廳吧?您可能沒有看齁這個"},{"start":8160.024,"end":8175.649,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113"},{"start":8186.252,"end":8206.018,"text":"解凍報告108頁有講海委會規劃在今年的6月要舉辦海線安全國際會議討論的議程很多有區域安全趨勢競爭局勢發展以及打擊海上犯罪海灘搜救合作等等請問主委"},{"start":8210.1,"end":8218.805,"text":"這個海線安全的國際會議有沒有邀請中國大陸方面相關的專家學者或者是海巡機關?有嗎?我們目前是還沒有為什麼?"},{"start":8226.04,"end":8241.128,"text":"我們台灣海線安全我想隨便路上問一個國人都可以知道我們台灣海線安全最重要的大概就中國大陸跟菲律賓你中國大陸沒有邀請那你開這個海線會議"},{"start":8242.689,"end":8249.291,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 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海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":8491.624,"end":8500.595,"text":"海洋一小塊保育法你不是整個的海洋保育法但是我們是希望你承擔起來我們是希望你承擔一個整合管理我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來"},{"start":8510.106,"end":8511.647,"text":"海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":8534.24,"end":8545.705,"text":"針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?"},{"start":8546.533,"end":8553.477,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":8566.718,"end":8586.778,"text":"那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於"},{"start":8587.619,"end":8601.289,"text":"大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結"},{"start":8612.287,"end":8635.548,"text":"委員 就是在去年4月份的律政新章的前後不是啊 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海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":10918.237,"end":10938.751,"text":"好那這個時候就會很多的討論的結果我們最後法條就是這樣設然後這樣來處理到大院裡面來討論到大院裡面來討論的時候我作為海委會的主委提出了這樣的版本已經千呼萬喚三年多的時間了也是行政院的院版"},{"start":10939.211,"end":10963.671,"text":"我的立場絕對就是捍衛這個版本我就是站在這個版本的立場但是廣泛的聽取所以不認為應該要增加民定於法條裡面嗎?廣泛的聽取委員們的討論以後主委那再請教那是不是認同委員聘任也應該要遵守利益迴避原則並且納入法律文字譬如說他可能有跟開發計畫有利益相關者或是曾經開於開發計畫環境影響評估作業者等於是"},{"start":10968.343,"end":10987.577,"text":"即便也有人講說這也要旋轉門條款嘛不要說變成是這審議會變成是到時候變成是某些開發對象的門審我們執法的時候來考量這些項目好不好謝謝委員提出了我想這都是非常重要也是真真正正讓國人看到說我們海洋保育的"},{"start":10989.169,"end":11013.606,"text":"實際行動嗎?兩個概念一個概念當然是用海單位利益衝突的各方利益相關的各方但是個案來講我覺得遵守利益迴避是有必要的是感謝主委認同遵守利益迴避名譽一定要進來譬如說我這個產業別一定要進來但是個案的當事人"},{"start":11014.686,"end":11030.445,"text":"請容本席要提醒我們海洋委員會身為海洋保育法的主管機關其實重點還是在於保育重點還是在於永續重點還是在於是讓我們的海洋資源遠遠流長不斷為我們這一代人跟下一代人來做努力跟守護嘛"},{"start":11031.346,"end":11050.559,"text":"所以我們現在也看到一個法令要棍子跟蘿蔔都要併施啊那現在我們有看到你的草案裡面有取締海洋保育相關的就是違反進入海洋庇護區的核心區或是緩衝區從事禁止活動是有罰款的對不對是罰多少錢"},{"start":11051.567,"end":11054.668,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11078.669,"end":11106.736,"text":"只有罰還沒有罰則沒有刑責所以我們現在也要問你覺得這樣子的一個獲主力夠不夠入刑是一個大問題這個大議題我想恐怕是但是要加強保育為什麼因為我們有海洋庇護區出來之後有緩衝區有核心區就一般人的認知所謂的核心區他就是應該是絕對禁止相關的這樣子的一個事從事相關的活動"},{"start":11107.892,"end":11109.993,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．請查照案。"},{"start":11134.867,"end":11135.207,"text":"主委您這樣講本身比較沒有辦法認同"},{"start":11166.208,"end":11187.519,"text":"所以我們剛剛其實從淺到深來討論第一我們講說畫社保育區畫社核心區緩衝區是由審查會來決定審查會本席就提醒你你可以用公平公正以及相關的委員來去做確認所以第一你的審查會就已經要做明白的一個確認什麼地方是緩衝區什麼地方是核心區"},{"start":11188.439,"end":11198.008,"text":"那你確定出來之後既然通過審議會很公正的來確定核心區那代表那個地方確實有保育的價值跟意義那就不應該再去剛剛您"},{"start":11200.321,"end":11224.239,"text":"指稱講說有優勢團體有劣勢團體好像認為是說我們要保障這些弱勢團體本席也同意啊本席的選區有很多的漁民啊但是既然我們要做這個弱勢團體的保護你就不應該核心區你就應該要好好的來做一個確認那如果說核心區都確認之後就不應該有任何人去影響核心區的這一些保育的工作嘛"},{"start":11224.759,"end":11240.024,"text":"所以本席現在提出來反而是要幫助海委會增加執法工具。當然就是如果說你們劃設出反中間核心區既然已經劃設出來那個地方就應該是真真正正我們共同2350萬人一起去守護的核心區嘛。"},{"start":11240.384,"end":11243.606,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告"},{"start":11270.464,"end":11290.183,"text":"主委我想您過去那麼多的立法經驗豐富我們不需要我們還是站在統一陣線我覺得在海洋保育這一方面這一個立法院以及行政部門相信都站在統一陣線因為海洋是我們共同的資產所以本席會提出"},{"start":11292.625,"end":11317.043,"text":"本席會提出相關的一個法案本席也會提出我的版本我們希望在進行討論的時候好好的討論並且也希望海委會、主委以及相關的行政官員能尊重並且參考本席的立法精神以及我們的條文精神,好嗎?共同守護保護海洋,我們玩真的不要玩假的,可以嗎?算一年不要算假的可以嗎?"},{"start":11319.628,"end":11345.164,"text":"提出來已經是很重要的了,很無奈了,完全不要打假球,好不好?今天也有很多委員說,喔,這樣是要怎麼辦?完全不要打假球,好不好?這是本席給海委會的期許跟期待。我覺得送出來就是一個很大的決心,就是一個很大的懷疑。玩了3年,但是王陽博老有位玩意,玩真的,不要打假球。提醒的利益迴避的那個個案,我們很高興,謝謝委員。"},{"start":11346.665,"end":11346.925,"text":"請採納本席的意見。"},{"start":11376.773,"end":11396.518,"text":"主委好 關委員好昨天在答覆陳一貞委員質詢就是大陸的輕屋船進入了我們金門的劉武殿航道那麼因為之前就是從早上我們的陳建仁院長還有您都說不可以不允許那麼後來陸委會我先講完然後到了陸委會"},{"start":11400.499,"end":11415.951,"text":"後來說按照2015年公告就是這個客貨運的船舶是被允許經過金門的限制禁限制海域進入廈門港可是呢後來我們的海巡署"},{"start":11416.471,"end":11431.437,"text":"有發新聞稿說因為青屋船並不屬於客貨運所以那麼他還是不被允許的那我想請問一下為什麼在一天之內會有這樣子不同的版本"},{"start":11433.057,"end":11446.962,"text":"跟委員報告海巡署當天確實是有出去廣播驅離那為什麼海巡署會執行廣播驅離呢?沒有,您答非所謂,我的意思是說你們回答,不管是回答陳一正委員"},{"start":11450.123,"end":11453.345,"text":"海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11466.573,"end":11483.192,"text":"今天陸委會沒有來對但是因為陸委會中間曾經說根據2015這個公告陸委會沒有參加公告這個公告是國防部海巡署跟交通部門三方公告所以不包含陸委會陸委會不在"},{"start":11483.652,"end":11484.152,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11499.423,"end":11501.064,"text":"2015年的公告你們還承不承認呢?2015年的公告都在執行中,我們最近都還有核准函"},{"start":11517.054,"end":11519.156,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11544.276,"end":11561.435,"text":"請問一下這個青屋船的噸位有多大像大陸青屋船說有上萬噸它的噸位大概都是在三五千但是這一次的我不知道它確實的噸位我不敢確定那我要跟委員報告最大會到多少"},{"start":11562.336,"end":11562.877,"text":"會有上萬噸嗎?"},{"start":11562.877,"end":11585.556,"text":"這次進來的是一千多噸我們很少看到有到萬噸的這種船所以在我們的能力是足以驅離的?我們一定驅離,也有能力驅離另外再請教一下,署長或主委答都可以"},{"start":11588.82,"end":11608.315,"text":"昨天馬文君委員提出海巡署副署長有證實有三艘大陸漁船進入領海6海浬之內這還不是淨限制海域這已經進入了領海之內問題是既然進入領海其實這已經符合第1級了"},{"start":11618.834,"end":11631.884,"text":"但是呢我們沒有做立刻的就是強制驅離那麼海巡署副署長是說當天呢是有全程監控那麼巡航艇也出去了只是啊當天呢浪"},{"start":11633.208,"end":11658.947,"text":"海浪達到7、8級最高陣風到10級所以已經超過我們的耐浪級數那麼可是你可以看到前兩天我們蔡總統的臉書特別講到臺灣照大船特別提到我們海巡署一樣的會照好幾艘的大船而且呢雲林艦跟臺北艦都礁船下水4000噸他們大概都4000噸的那個級數"},{"start":11661.309,"end":11682.729,"text":"那所以我就想請教了既然我們現在有陸陸續續的這些大船可以做驅離那為什麼當大陸三艘漁船進入了我們的領海我們卻只派出行航艇然後說因為耐讓極速不夠啊"},{"start":11683.595,"end":11685.856,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11709.187,"end":11731.023,"text":"沒有問題,像今天這個狀況,剛剛委員所提到的狀況,當天的海象是10級,那通常,我要講這個背景資料先給委員報告一下,通常像這種海象的時候,陸船它都會靠近海岸,因為它要尋求更好的海象,所以它也是為了一個安全,對。"},{"start":11732.404,"end":11760.591,"text":"所以我們認為像這個case是安全起見像這種case那天的風浪這麼大我們一定是雷達全程監控那同時我們的船有部署在峽北、峽南、峽中那它那個水域正好是我們臺中港海巡隊的一個管轄區域那臺中港管轄的區域正好在中間那我們當然那天就直接中部分署長就派遣這個100噸的先出去"},{"start":11761.551,"end":11768.434,"text":"循環艇100噸,100噸根本不可能驅離但是我跟委員報告實際上我們有一個3000噸在海上所以如果當海上風浪比較大的時候我們就不會說一定強制的去驅離是這樣的嗎?我們會驅離但是我們會試海上的狀況像我們在七美經常他們一來就是幾十艘在避風"},{"start":11788.882,"end":11813.256,"text":"在這種避風的狀況下我們是在旁邊監控它等到這一波的海象一過了之後他們就會離開那如果沒有離開我們的船就會進去驅離因為我時間比較短一點但我有一件事情我覺得很重要就是我們在這一次的金門海域撞船事件發生之後我們發現我們離島的海巡密陸去是嚴重裝置不足的"},{"start":11817.799,"end":11818.119,"text":"主委可不可以承諾?"},{"start":11838.8,"end":11865.154,"text":"包含48分數我先謝謝委員很重要真的很感謝委員我們秘錄器是夠但是因為現在的配比不是一人一支而是一個勤務一支所以我們未來要變成一人一支所以要補3000支但是因為委員的這一次的提醒我們在記者會上知道了以後我們立刻調播剛剛委員所提到離島不足"},{"start":11866.154,"end":11870.595,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．"},{"start":11895.629,"end":11901.133,"text":"陳靜宇委員不在楊瓊英委員謝謝謝謝主席本席想邀請主委請管主委"},{"start":11924.4,"end":11928.222,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":11941.647,"end":11955.997,"text":"本席也跟許多的委員一樣也就是我相信主委你也是一樣也就是說不論是國安、人道、執法這樣子的面向都不能接受沒有密錄器沒有畫面 對不對"},{"start":11957.538,"end":11984.343,"text":"這個我們真的需要凍加的檢討但是這一次的情況我們了解到小船因為是CP艇然後這樣的一個追擊之下的那個浪的狀況所以海巡的人也非常的辛苦我們都知道所以在這樣的情況之下主委你也不斷的來對說就是說兩岸雙方的協商落幕呢是有期待的"},{"start":11984.943,"end":11989.85,"text":"但是經過這20天協商了15次結果目前的狀況"},{"start":11991.796,"end":12019.946,"text":"我們當然覺得非常的遺憾沒有完成就是等於協商15次後破局嘛對不對有幾個我們願意持續的來努力朝向後續的發展來努力趕快找到優先的解決方法在你這一次協商這15、20天當然很辛苦15次的協商破局最主要的原因是什麼"},{"start":12021.498,"end":12022.659,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12052.359,"end":12067.745,"text":"會不會影響到兩岸的溝通對話空間更困難?請說明。各位委員報告因為這一次的事件我印象是在4月17號的時候開始我們就發現說這個過程我們大家都非常清楚本期要請問政治結合的結果因為跟政治綁在一起的結果"},{"start":12073.968,"end":12078.712,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12101.869,"end":12103.491,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12126.392,"end":12130.895,"text":"這一個溝通的對話空間是不是會有影響?我們很希望說這件事情還是能夠執法的各案的角度來面對然後如果把兩岸之間的政治的議題綁進來的時候確實對話上就會遇到很多卡卡的問題"},{"start":12151.088,"end":12157.132,"text":"這一次破局的主要原因是什麼?請做說明。謝謝委員的關心。我想我們經過這麼多次的溝通跟協商,我想在這個過程當中,其實我們也有達成一些共識,雙方都有在這個過程當中,我們現在都是各自把各自的旗艦帶回來,他們帶回去,我們帶回來。"},{"start":12180.549,"end":12182.532,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12198.271,"end":12223.727,"text":"當然希望繼續能夠有這個平台協商我們也透過各個可能的機構來協助我們不管是海基會對方的海協會紅十字會跟一些相關的單位都在做剛剛我們主委特別提到我們也希望能夠在最短的時間之內站在人道關懷的立場我們給家屬最多的照顧這是我們從一開始就沒有變的原則"},{"start":12224.568,"end":12229.411,"text":"好,所以換句話說,我們仍舊期待溝通對話的空間,仍舊是持續的。好,謝謝你。接下來我們針對於落海裡的事件,那大家也都非常的關心,到目前為止,現在漁船進入領海的,是不是成為常態啊?"},{"start":12246.46,"end":12248.241,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．"},{"start":12277.061,"end":12284.793,"text":"去把那個陰陰靜靜的空間在書面之內給本席因為我們知道海軍相關的灰色地帶那青島的有病毒嗎?"},{"start":12288.12,"end":12292.904,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12314.249,"end":12336.136,"text":"最近傳出這個流五電航道的這個問題不管是各方政府各方所講的不知道是什麼答案也好但是問題是到底輕忽傳進去可行不可行我跟委員特別報告這個所公告的這個流五電的航道當初的主體對象就是客貨輪"},{"start":12337.788,"end":12337.808,"text":"請問署長"},{"start":12366.201,"end":12394.556,"text":"在這樣的一個情況之下他是沒報備的,那麼是不是對岸有在切香腸,書菌漸進,會不會?我想他這個水稻的這個淤青啊,他是這個書菌啊,他是一個每3年一個週期,他這一次的週期是2022到2024,所以他都是一個正常的一個書菌。好,所以正常的書菌,而且也不是切香腸,那表示什麼呢?表示還是有正常的溝通,"},{"start":12395.812,"end":12396.813,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案"},{"start":12416.733,"end":12428.449,"text":"所以本屆具體要求戰略的溝通概念是對國內外介入到底有沒有壓迫的情況那麼我們是不是應該要這麼做讓人民能夠去安心"},{"start":12428.888,"end":12433.069,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12450.514,"end":12453.876,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度"},{"start":12467.043,"end":12491.619,"text":"我們主條的時候會聽取所有委員的指教然後在整個的審議跟協商的過程之中我的立場我當然就是支持院辦但是在那協商的過程之中會非常充分的來討論我們的立場共同目標就是怎麼樣讓我們的海洋能夠得到保護能夠跟世界接軌是不是這個原則是我們很希望是這樣謝謝"},{"start":12495.912,"end":12499.816,"text":"政政前政政前政政前委員不在那我們下一位中嘉賓委員中嘉賓委員中嘉賓委員不在"},{"start":12516.808,"end":12539.457,"text":"張家俊委員、張家俊委員、張家俊委員不在。 樓明采委員、樓明采委員、樓明采委員不在。 邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員不在。 蘇清淺委員、蘇清淺委員、蘇清淺委員不在。 蔡易瑜委員在。"},{"start":12548.707,"end":12554.009,"text":"海洋業務委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋業務委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":12571.277,"end":12582.064,"text":"需要壓迫需要盤查就是要大膽去做因為守護我們的海洋尤其遇到商務船隻的時候怎麼可能會頓跌呢"},{"start":12584.084,"end":12604.295,"text":"各位委員報告那個勇氣的保護我是非常非常堅持的因為那個是在一念之間當我們決定要去凍結的時候雙方都是都是鋒利來浪利去的沒有錯因為在海上嘛雙方一樣危險對啊海上你說那個海印無法預測當我們的海巡人員還要凍結欸凍結會不會有風險"},{"start":12609.338,"end":12610.358,"text":"有啊,稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍"},{"start":12635.265,"end":12658.926,"text":"因為這個執法的決心跟執法的勇氣是我們國家很寶貴的執法所以主委 我覺得我們這種態度我們態度很堅定我們怎麼能預判說那個看起來山無船隻我們不用把它定義叫漁船走私船都有可能我們幹嘛去幫他們預斷它就是漁船"},{"start":12662.049,"end":12691.124,"text":"所以我會這麼強烈的在這一次一定無論如何捍衛執法的正當性其實就如同委員所說的這個執法的決心跟願意不顧自己的生死去保護我們的海江在第一線在海江這裡我覺得我們真的是在這個事件裡面這個社會是需要給我們整個海巡我們的弟兄"},{"start":12691.912,"end":12713.188,"text":"更大的掌聲才對我們當然我們當然也是大公無私不偏不倚然後剪掉來看有沒有執法過當那我們目前所掌握的事證就讓我真的要要非常強力的來捍衛我們這一次的執法好嗯謝謝主委那我是第二個我來來"},{"start":12715.23,"end":12718.291,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12742.56,"end":12758.511,"text":"政委吳政委的主導之下包括海委會包括我們水利署甚至我們國海院事實上大家都投入啦是因為這個外産頂周我們看得出來大概就是因為"},{"start":12759.795,"end":12772.741,"text":"雲林美寮港的一個建設之後它的沙源的補充是來不及整個外山警州這個沙的一個流失所以它就是漸漸消失從1700公頃到現在大概剩下900公頃差不多存一半多了過去了婚姻雲林縣政府有在那邊插門牌"},{"start":12782.125,"end":12789.195,"text":"所外産頂周是雲林的然後查了一個門牌我跟主委報告那個門牌的地方現在沒有路了現在變壞了已經變壞了所以這個就是變成說外産頂周在"},{"start":12795.666,"end":12796.646,"text":"凍結50萬元書面報告案。 凍結50萬元書面報告案。 凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":12824.924,"end":12851.245,"text":"這中央政府的意思是什麼?因為我們這個風太來,因為那整個外產廠算白痴痴的刷所以那個硬啊,直接打下去就把刷子往裡面又內推回去所以不斷的內推,然後也造成整個東石的外海這邊開始就是內陸化,這個害不起來所以這個就影響到了未來整個不管是我們的漁業啦,不管是養科產業,全部都受影響"},{"start":12852.427,"end":12860.538,"text":"所以主委我覺得那個預計船都根本進出都沒辦法對阿我們目前是用載我們目前的計劃用載為布地槓或是說要為婚姻八岡溪那裡清出來的土都載過去"},{"start":12869.19,"end":12870.831,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":12894.984,"end":12909.792,"text":"不然我們現在做的很多方式有點在做白工而我們也花了我們預算在這幾年我們大概會投入10億來做外山頂洲的固砂但是我很擔心這樣的預算的投入會變成白工會做白工"},{"start":12913.397,"end":12932.765,"text":"主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。教育委員會報告,我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 教育委員會報告,我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有在那裡。因為他們的水利署也好,還是交通部也好,都有"},{"start":12933.405,"end":12957.997,"text":"生態工法我覺得很好,他們大概就是用一些石籠石籠然後在水那邊把它固定住也是他也是希望從這個根底這邊把沙Q掉,不對我們現在知道說他除了會把沙因為這個海的長浪很強嘛,會把沙往內推但是沙除了長浪再往內推之外,最主要是島上的沙留不住"},{"start":12959.537,"end":12965.12,"text":"主委我跟您報告,您想說我們教育它也婚姻的,它對婚姻,對婚姻感情那些沒話說的,我們這裡王美惠、黃婕、我,我們三個算自己做的"},{"start":12988.561,"end":13005.814,"text":"阿所以齁因為這個外山頂座我剛才講這個淤沙齁這一個淤沙的狀況變成雲林跟嘉義我們的漁港包括布袋山港都是嚴重的都嚴重的淤積嚴重的積積我現在看到海巡有兩艘齁雄帶鋪路的海巡艦嘉義艦4000萬噸級丁德白雲林艦4000噸40004000噸級對吧4000噸"},{"start":13015.962,"end":13016.424,"text":"海洋委員會函，請查照案。"},{"start":13024.736,"end":13025.096,"text":"海洋委員會函，請查照案。"},{"start":13049.154,"end":13069.927,"text":"所以我覺得我們有時候要正視這個問題就是外山頂洲的固沙然後也要配合這些漁港漁港的傾沙因為這些漁港如果照法令規定他們都要保持1.5米的一個深度目前比較深的時候差不多1米比較淺的時候可能都差不多60公分那時候要處理很危險"},{"start":13075.638,"end":13082.244,"text":"所以這也是變成一個問題,我們青砂每當開機都開幾個清盤在那邊清,我們沒辦法解決問題,所以這些問題都蹊蹺作會我覺得我們大家正式問題我們來推出一個外山頂周的固砂及漁港清淤的特別條例"},{"start":13097.938,"end":13100.38,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":13128.118,"end":13128.258,"text":"請查照案。"},{"start":13145.24,"end":13147.961,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":13165.546,"end":13172.05,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央"},{"start":13191.735,"end":13194.017,"text":"中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":13208.444,"end":13230.443,"text":"陳冠廷委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不在丁協中委員不"},{"start":13235.966,"end":13239.291,"text":"書面執行及未達付的部分請相關單位1週以內以書面回覆並付資本會。"},{"start":13247.964,"end":13273.714,"text":"那我們現在來進行我們的討論事項審查113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋屬所屬的決議海洋業務預算凍結50萬的書面報告案請各位委員恕我同意動之同意好同意好那我們就同意動之了"},{"start":13276.71,"end":13293.999,"text":"提報院會同意通知提報院會那報告委員會現在我們進行法案的審查請先讀討論事項二海洋保育法所有的條文修正動議請先讀"},{"start":13306.775,"end":13321.662,"text":"法名稱行政院提案海洋保育法委員楊瓊一等20人提案法名稱同行政院提案第一章章明行政院提案總則委員楊瓊一等20人提案章明同行政院提案第一條行政院提案"},{"start":13322.502,"end":13345.887,"text":"為保護海洋生態環境保育海洋生物多樣性協調並促進海洋保護區之規劃及執行特制定本法委員楊秋英等20人提案第一條為保護海洋生態環境保育與富裕海洋生物多樣性確保海洋生態系統健康促進海洋保護區以生態系統為基礎之整合規劃與執行及推動海洋保育教育特制定本法"},{"start":13346.767,"end":13372.497,"text":"委員楊秋英等20人提案第二條國家海洋保育目標為中華民國119年前保護至少30%的海域前項海域指中華民國專屬經濟海域及大陸礁層法以內範圍行政院提案第二條本法所稱主管機關在中央為海洋委員會在直轄市為直轄市政府在縣市為縣市政府前項直轄市縣市主管機關之管轄範圍由中央主管機關公告之"},{"start":13373.317,"end":13391.258,"text":"委員楊瓊英得二行政院提案第3條第一項同行政院提案第二項文字為前項直轄市縣市主管機關之管轄範圍以各直轄市縣市國土計劃法海洋資源地區為範圍行政院提案第3條本法用詞定義如下"},{"start":13391.818,"end":13414.487,"text":"一、海洋生物指海洋動物、海洋植物及海洋其他生物。海洋生物多樣性指所有海洋範圍內活的生物體中之變異性,包括物種內物種之間及生態系統之多樣性。三、保育指基於海洋生物多樣性及自然生態平衡之原則,對於海洋生物所謂保護、富裕、管理之行為。四、海洋保護區指一處海域或"},{"start":13415.667,"end":13439.357,"text":"該海域與其匹聯之若欲具有生物多樣性、特殊自然景觀、文化資產或永續利用之生態資源等依本法或其他法律所劃定進行保護之區域。五、海洋庇護區,指依本法所劃定之海洋保護區並得以核心區、緩衝區及永續利用區進行分區管理者。六、核心區,指為長期保護海洋生物、生態環境、生物多樣性"},{"start":13439.938,"end":13456.356,"text":"並提供學術研究因嚴格保護且限制人員進入及所有開發利用行為所劃定之區域。 7緩衝區指臨接貨環繞於核心區針對人文活動進行管理限制以保護核心區可作為研究發展所劃定之區域。 8永續利用區"},{"start":13457.117,"end":13472.032,"text":"指於核心區緩衝區之外為在無外海洋自然生態平衡之前提下容許海洋生物生態環境生物多樣性及天然資源之利用以獲取其文化教育學術經濟等效益所劃定之區域並永續管理及發展其資源。"},{"start":13472.973,"end":13493.306,"text":"吳仁陽、邱英德20人提案第4條本法用詞定義如下一、海洋生物細指海洋動物海洋植物及海洋其他生物二、海洋生物多樣性細指海洋生物體中之變異性包括物種內物種之間和生態系統的多樣性三、海洋保護區細指由各目的事業主管機關依本法或其他法律劃定之海域或包海"},{"start":13493.746,"end":13497.948,"text":"立法院第11屆第11屆第12屆第13屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第31屆第32屆第32屆第33屆第34屆第36屆第37屆第38屆第39屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第58屆第58屆第59屆第59屆第60屆第61屆第61屆第61屆第"},{"start":13512.413,"end":13537.073,"text":"發展區進行分區管理。 五、核心區細指為長期保護海洋生物生態環境生物多樣性並提供學術研究因嚴格保護限制所有開發利用行為與人員進入所劃設之區域。 六、緩衝區細指臨街或環繞於核心區針對人文活動有所管理限制以保護核心區可作為研究發展之區域其他具有生態潛力區域亦得獨立劃設。"},{"start":13538.354,"end":13566.483,"text":"七、永續發展區。 細指於核心區、緩衝區之外為在無碍海洋自然生態平衡之前提下容許海洋生物、生態環境、天然資源之有效利用以獲取其文化、教育、學術、經濟等效益所分之地區並永續管理及發展此區資源。八、海洋保育突發事件。 細指事件發生當時狀況無法事先預知且對海洋生態系統有造成不利之影響之餘。九、生態系統途徑。"},{"start":13568.483,"end":13584.708,"text":"應用適當的科學方法論注重生物組成之層級涵蓋生物及其環境之間之必要進程功能及交互作用為土地水體和生物資源之綜合管理策略以公平之方式促進保育及永續發展使累積效應"},{"start":13585.388,"end":13612.916,"text":"指仍違憾自然壓力兩者對環境造成之直接性和間接性綜合影響海洋生態系統受到各式海洋相關活動之影響。 11、預警原則若預警會有違憾環境之情況發生應事先進行相關之防範措施。 12、最佳可得科學資訊原則此相關措施應值基於充分的科學證據該證據是由收集而獲得之資料以及相關科學研究所生之成果具有相當之專業性可以信賴。"},{"start":13614.016,"end":13636.347,"text":"委員楊秋英等20人提案第5條為達成海洋生物多樣性永續發展及因應氣候變遷之目標中央主管及官應召開國家海洋保育審議會訂定國家海洋保育綱領明定海洋保護育整體規劃原則及推動海洋保護育等治理策略與機制到請行政院核定後實施作為各級政府海洋保護育海洋治理及規劃之依據"},{"start":13638.228,"end":13661.894,"text":"前項海洋保育綱領應每5年至少檢討一次國家海洋保育綱領之訂定及檢討應公開展覽30日及舉行聽證會行政院提案第4條為達成海洋生物多樣性之目標主管機關應採取各種海洋保育措施以保護海洋生物清洗環境協調並促進海洋保護區之整合規劃及執行委員楊瓊英等20人提案第6條"},{"start":13662.874,"end":13681.469,"text":"主管機關採取各種海洋保育措施保護海洋生物棲息環境及劃定海洋保護趨勢應考量對海洋保育有益之原則包含生態系統途徑、累積效應預警原則、最佳可得科學資訊等有利於海洋保育之原則整體海洋之利用應遵守永續利用之精神"},{"start":13682.898,"end":13708.883,"text":"第二章張明行政院提案海洋保護區委員楊瓊一等20人提案張明同行政院提案行政院提案第5條本法鎖定海洋保護區之類型包括下列地區之海域或該海域與其匹聯之陸域一、野生動物保護區二、野生動物中央棲息環境三、國家公園及國家自然公園四、國家風景特定區海域資源保護區五、水產動植物繁殖保育區"},{"start":13710.823,"end":13712.685,"text":"6.水下文化資產保護區7."},{"start":13712.685,"end":13714.566,"text":"自然保留區8."},{"start":13714.566,"end":13715.387,"text":"地質公園9."},{"start":13715.387,"end":13717.908,"text":"中央市地質海洋庇護區10."},{"start":13717.908,"end":13728.776,"text":"依其他法律規定化設置保護區中央主管機關的認定海洋保護區以外其他有效保育措施之區域其認定標準由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":13730.477,"end":13757.204,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第7條海洋保護區之類型包括下列地區一、野生動物保護區二、野生動物重要棲息環境三、國家公園四、國家風景特定區海域資源保護區五、水產凍植物繁殖保育區六、水下文化資產保護區七、自然保留區八、地質公園九、中央市地質海洋庇護區十一、其他經目的事業主管機關指定以保育目的劃設之區域"},{"start":13759.983,"end":13776.617,"text":"行政院提案第6條中央主管機關應會上有關機關訂定整體海洋保護區管理政策方針報請行政院核定後實施即便跟時一同前項整體海洋保護區管理政策方針內容應包括下列事項一、政策目標二、海洋保護區之分級三、海洋保護區"},{"start":13777.398,"end":13801.924,"text":"之規劃及管理、四、海洋保護區之監測、五、海洋保護區之檢討及成效評估、六、其他與海洋保護區管理有關之事項。第一項整體海洋保護區管理政策方針實施後中央主管機關應能運營至少檢討一次。以其他法律規定發射至海洋保護區及保護區名稱內容發射程序辦理機關及管理事項從其規定納入整體海洋保護區管理政策方針之一部。"},{"start":13802.644,"end":13824.544,"text":"整體海洋保護區管理政策方針涉及相關機關執行有異議時得由中央主管機關協調協調不成者報請行政院決定之。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第8條中央主管機關與國家海洋保育綱領因會商有關機關訂定國家整體海洋保護區管理計劃報請行政院核定後實施其計劃內容應包括下列事項一計劃範圍二計劃目標三海洋保護區分類及分級"},{"start":13828.247,"end":13833.729,"text":"4.整體海域定期性及因應海洋保育突發事件之臨時性調查項目與方式5."},{"start":13833.729,"end":13836.67,"text":"海洋保護區之規劃及管理措施6."},{"start":13836.67,"end":13839.692,"text":"海洋生態保護域整體規劃措施7."},{"start":13839.692,"end":13841.432,"text":"海洋保護區之管理監測8."},{"start":13841.432,"end":13844.033,"text":"海洋保護區之檢討及成效評估9."},{"start":13844.033,"end":13851.316,"text":"其他與海洋保護區管理有關事項前項整體海洋保護區管理計劃因每5年通辦檢討整體海域並於計劃規劃及檢討階段提供必要資訊後召開公聽會納入相關利害關係人"},{"start":13856.958,"end":13885.274,"text":"專家學者公民團體之意見主管機關應具體回覆涉及多數不同利益之人或多數不同行政機關權限者應經公開及聽證程序整體海洋保護區管理計劃涉及相關機關執行有意義時得由主管機關協調協調不成由主管機關報請上級機關決定之本條第一項是國家整體海洋保護區管理計劃之具體審議及檢討程序第二項是公民參與及聽證辦理等相關辦法由中央主管機關訂定報請行政院核定後實施"},{"start":13886.214,"end":13907.255,"text":"行政院提案第7條中央主管機關得救海洋生態系統有特別保護必要且未經其他主管機關劃設為海洋保護區者劃定為海洋庇護區中央主管機關會辦理前項業務應涉審議會由專家學者、民間團體及有關機關代表組成其中專家學者及民間團體代表人數不得少於委員總人數二分之一"},{"start":13907.816,"end":13936.826,"text":"第1項海洋庇護區之劃點基準變更廢止程序與前項審議會之設置組成運作及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第9條具有下列情形之一者主管機關應用最佳可得科學資訊原則及預警原則劃設海洋庇護區一海洋生態系統有特別保護必要二具碳匯功能之海洋或沿岸生態系統三具國家或地方上獨特性或稀少性自然資源之海域四對物種之生命階段"},{"start":13937.746,"end":13963.099,"text":"據特殊重要性之海域5對遭遇威脅評為或衰退之物種據重要性之海域6物種或棲地具益受損性脆弱性敏感性或復原緩慢之海域主管機關應定期普查或接受個人團體提報符合前項之海域或包含陸地組成部分之海域第一項海洋庇護區之化設基準變更廢止與其程序及前項其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之"},{"start":13965.273,"end":13984.718,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第10條中央主管及關於設立海洋庇護區審議委員會應考量生態系統途徑及海洋永續發展劃定海洋庇護區及擬定海洋庇護區管理計劃等相關事項海洋庇護區規劃階段臨近開發行為如有侵害海洋生態系統之餘中央主管及關應命該行為暫緩執行"},{"start":13986.098,"end":14013.854,"text":"前項委員會之委員為無記職其設置辦法由中央主管機關定定之其中專家、學者、民間保密團體及原住民等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數三分之二第一項委員之組成選任海洋庇護區之劃定及管理計劃之審議程序公明陳述意見回覆及聽證程序等相關辦法由中央主管機關定定之行政院提案第8條中央主管機關劃定海洋庇護區後"},{"start":14015.175,"end":14034.348,"text":"應會上有關機關擬定海洋庇護局保育計劃並公開展覽30日及舉行公聽會,其變更或廢止10億銅。前項公開展覽與公聽會之日及地點應登載於政府公報新聞紙、網際網路或以其他適當方法廣泛周知。人民法人或團體得於公開展覽期間內以書面在名姓名戶名稱及地址"},{"start":14034.688,"end":14058.546,"text":"向中央主管機關提出意見。 中央主管機關因應公告實施海洋庇護區保育計劃後將計劃登載於政府公報新聞紙網際網路或以其他適當方式廣泛周知。 定下海洋庇護區保育計劃之擬定涉及原住民族土地及海域者。 中央主管機關因應原住民族基本法之規定辦理。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第11條。 主管機關劃定海洋庇護區擬定海洋"},{"start":14059.11,"end":14063.774,"text":"秘護區管理計劃應召開海洋秘護區審議會並公開展覽30日及舉行聽證會。海洋秘護區之變更或廢止一同,傾向公開展覽及聽證會之日期及地點。"},{"start":14071.485,"end":14093.641,"text":"登載於政府公報新聞紙及網信網路或以其他適當方法廣泛周知。 任何人民或團體得於公開展覽期間的已書面在您姓名或名稱及地址上主管機關提出意見。 主管機關應具體回覆。 海洋庇護區域之劃定變更或廢止由地方主管機關委職者應報請中央主管機關核定後公告實施。 由中央主管機關委職者與核定後公告實施。"},{"start":14094.542,"end":14106.83,"text":"第1項海洋庇護局管理計劃之擬定涉及限制原住民族或部部落傳統利用者應於計劃規劃階段邀請相關原住民族或部落代表參與擬定會同原住民族主管機關公告之"},{"start":14108.188,"end":14133.993,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20任提案第12條海洋庇護區管理計劃應與海洋庇護區公告前制定完成其計劃內容亦包括下列事項一計劃範圍二計劃目標三海域現況調查四分區規劃及保護與措施五海洋庇護區之監測六海洋庇護區之檢討及成效評估其他與海洋庇護區管理有關之事項前項海洋庇護區管理計劃應每年至少檢討一次並作必要之變更"},{"start":14134.853,"end":14155.852,"text":"行政院提案第9條任何人及海陸域交通工具禁止進入海洋庇護區之核心區但有下列情形之意者不在此限一、國家安全或軍事目的二、海域巡防、犯罪查緝、漁業巡護、污染防治、海浪救助、航路標示設置管理、海洋保育、水下文化資產之保存或管理等公務目的"},{"start":14156.833,"end":14184.711,"text":"3傳播連續不停迅速通過且未從事航行以外之活動4經中央主管機關同意之科學研究監測或調查等活動前項第4款申請同意之程序應檢附文件審議作業廢紙同意及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關會上有關機關定之委員楊秋英等20人提案第13條海洋庇護區之核心區禁止進入並從事活動但有下列前行之意者不在此限一國防安全及軍事目的二海域巡防犯罪查緝漁業巡獲"},{"start":14186.312,"end":14200.179,"text":"循庫、污染防治、海難救助、航路標示設置管理、海洋保育、外來種輸出、水下文化資產之保存及管理等公務目的。 3、外國傳播。 1、中華民國領海及臨界區法第7條規定無害經通過我國領海。"},{"start":14201.4,"end":14218.116,"text":"四、經中央主管機關同意之科學研究監測調查等活動。行政院提案第10條海洋庇護區之緩衝區內非經中央主管機關許可禁止從事下列行為但符合前條第一項但書第一款或第二款情形者不在此限因水產養殖二挖採捕海洋生物"},{"start":14219.277,"end":14234.687,"text":"3、開挖、浚深、航道或施作海洋工程4、鋪設電纜管道設施或結構5、從事探礦或採礦從事前項第一款或第二款行為符合中央主管機關公告之以定種類、數量、方式、範圍或期間等條件者免申請許可。"},{"start":14235.487,"end":14258.105,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第14條海洋庇護機制緩衝區內禁止從事下列行為一、水產養殖二、盈利性採捕海洋生物三、破壞性漁撈四、開挖軍生航道或試作海洋工程五、鋪設電纜管道設施或結構六、從事探礦或採礦七、能量或物質排放八、其他經中央主管機關公告禁止行為"},{"start":14258.966,"end":14273.896,"text":"請向第1款及第2款所列禁止行為得以最佳可得科學資訊考量生態系統途徑、累積效應並出具生態補償及有篩開發生態資料經主管機關會同於業主管機關許可者不在此限同向第4款至第8款所列禁止行為"},{"start":14276.398,"end":14296.728,"text":"經中央主管機關會同目的事業主管機關許可者不在此限,前向之許可經許可者應主動提供相關監測資料,主管機關應定期監測海域開放利用之情形並公開相關資訊,如造成海域生態之具體危害或可預見有違、危害之發生必要時,主管機關應強制禁止該許可行為,獲得廢止該許可。"},{"start":14299.389,"end":14316.429,"text":"第1項之水產養殖、營利性採捕海洋生物之處分,得由中央主管機關會同漁業主管機關公告,一定種類、數量、方式、範圍或期間等條件待之。第1項所稱之破壞性漁撈項目及類型,由中央主管機關會同漁業主管機關公告之。"},{"start":14317.23,"end":14333.959,"text":"行政院提案第11條海洋庇護區域之永續利用區域內非經中央主管機關許可禁止從事下列行為但符合第9條第一項但書第一款或第二款情形者不在此限一、開挖浚深航道或試作海洋工程二、鋪設電纜管道設施或結構三、從事探礦或採礦"},{"start":14338.061,"end":14365.14,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第15條海洋庇護區之永續發展區內原則禁止從事下列行為一、破壞性魚撈二、開挖浚深航道或試作海洋工程三、鋪設電纜管道設施或結構四、從事探礦或採礦五、其他經中央主管機關公告禁止行為前項第二款至第五款所列禁止行為經中央主管機關會同陸地事業主管機關許可者不在此限前項之許可主管機關應定其監測海域開放利用之情形"},{"start":14365.72,"end":14379.957,"text":"如造成海域生態處具體危害或可預見有危害之發生必要時主管機關應強制禁止該許可行為或得廢止該許可。 第一項所稱之破壞性漁撈項目及類型的中央主管機關會同漁業主管機關公告之。 行政院提案第12條"},{"start":14381.258,"end":14399.304,"text":"前2條申請許可之條件作業程序廢止許可及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之委員楊瓊英等20人提案第16條主管機關應考量國際一般性建議標準海洋使用累積效應及生態系統途徑使海洋庇護區生態系統維持最高持續生產"},{"start":14401.065,"end":14414.578,"text":"產量之水準、訂定前條、所定之許可條件、作業程序、擬定相關監測等配套措施及其他應遵行事項之辦法及收費標準。海洋庇護區內經中央主管機關許可的例外開發行為,開發商應擬定生態補償計劃並進行環境社會文化影響評估,經主管機關核可後時的進行。"},{"start":14422.25,"end":14450.745,"text":"第3章章明行政院提案章明海洋生物保育委員一、楊瓊玲等20人提案第3章章明海洋生物保育與賦育行政院提案第13條為保育海洋生物中央主管機關因會商其他目的事業主管機關公告下列事項因海洋遊棄或休閒活動之限制禁止或其他應遵行事項而船舶海上航行活動或作業之限制禁止或其他應遵行事項"},{"start":14451.806,"end":14459.414,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會函．為113年度"},{"start":14469.345,"end":14494.699,"text":"為保育海洋生物主管機關與匯商其他目的事業主管機關公告下列事項一、海洋油氣或修行活動之限制禁止或應遵行事項二、傳播海上航行活動作業之限制禁止或應遵行事項三、與海洋使用財補器具方法區域及時間之限制禁止或應遵行事項四、生物放棉之限制禁止或應遵行事項五、其他人文活動之限制禁止或應遵行事項"},{"start":14495.399,"end":14507.096,"text":"主管機關依竊將規定公告且應進行預告程序但有急迫情勢非立即公告海洋生物保育事項將發生難以回復之損害者不在此限預告期間內主管機關得依職權或依申請給予利害關係人或團體陳述意見之機會"},{"start":14511.121,"end":14525.005,"text":"主管機關應具體回覆涉及多數不同利益之人或多數不同行政機關權限者應經公開及聽證程序。此下,事先是主管機關與其海洋資源區域為第一項規定之公告者應報請中央主管機關和聽後為之。"},{"start":14526.886,"end":14548.929,"text":"行政院提案第14條為執行海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護區保育計劃主管機關或受託機關購法人團體的派員出示證明文件進入公司有土地處所或海域進行調查及實施保育措施其涉及軍事機密者應會同該管軍事機關為之前上請行公司有土地處所或海域之所有人使用人和管理人不得規避妨礙或拒絕"},{"start":14550.61,"end":14569.988,"text":"進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施,預設有違章之土地或實施各項保育措施時,主管機關應事先通知公司有土地、處所或海域之所有人、使用人或管理人,通知未能送達時得以公告方式為之。調查機關構法人、團體或保育人員對於受檢之工商、軍事秘密應與保密。"},{"start":14570.929,"end":14586.949,"text":"為進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施之公、私有、土地、處所或海域之所有人、使用人遭受特別犧牲之損失者應予補償。進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施之方式,通知補償之條件、基準及其他相關事項之辦法,由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":14589.093,"end":14604.875,"text":"委員羊、蚯蚓等20人提案第18條,為執行海洋生物資源調查、海洋庇護區保育計劃或因應海洋保育有關之緊急情況,主管機關或受託機關團體得派員出示證明文件,進入公司由土地處所或海域進行調查及實施保育措施。"},{"start":14605.996,"end":14635.434,"text":"公司有土地所有人使用人或管理人或海域之使用人與管理人除涉及軍事機密者應會同該管軍事機關為之外不得規避拒絕或妨礙進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施預設有違章物質土地或實施各項保育措施時主管機關應事先通知公司有土地所有人使用人或管理人通知無法送達時得以公告方式為之調查機關或保育人員對於受檢至工傷軍事秘密應以保密為進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施"},{"start":14635.914,"end":14651.92,"text":"至公司有土地所有人使用員或海域之使用人遭受特別犧牲受有損失者應予補償。補償金額依協議為之,協議不成報請上級主管機關和定之。進行第一項調查或實施各項保育措施辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":14653.32,"end":14681.664,"text":"行政院提案第15條主管機關得指派海洋保育觀察員在傳播海洋設施、海域工程或其周圍從事觀察、監測及蒐集資料等任務必要時得請求海岸巡防機關或警察機關協助。前項情形傳播海洋設施或海域工程之所有人使用員或管理人不得規避、妨礙或拒絕。海洋保育觀察員執行觀察、監測及蒐集資料等任務時得由傳播海洋設施或海域工程之所有人使用員或管理人提供援反交通工具。"},{"start":14682.344,"end":14699.978,"text":"第1項海洋保育觀察員之資格取得訓練管理廢止資格及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。委員楊瓊英等20年提案第19條。主管機關一設立海洋保育警察負責海洋保育執法業務並得設立海洋保育巡查員協助辦理監測調查及其他海洋保育相關業務。"},{"start":14700.979,"end":14717.721,"text":"主管機關得指派具一定資格的海洋保育觀察員在傳播海洋設施、海域工程或其周圍從事觀察、監測及蒐集資料等任務必要時得請求海岸巡防機關或警察機關協助。前日向傳播海洋設施或海域工程之所有人、使用員或管理人"},{"start":14718.061,"end":14735.151,"text":"不得規避、拒絕或妨礙海洋保育觀察員執行觀察、監測及收集資料時得由傳播海洋設施或海域工程之所有人、使用人或管理人提供往返交通。第一項海洋保育巡查員及第二項海洋保育觀察員之資格取得與管理辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":14736.352,"end":14754.778,"text":"行政院提案第16條,執行人員、民眾、法人或團體主動參與或協助主管機關取締、舉發本法違法事件者,主管機關得予獎勵。主管機關對於前項主動參與或協助主管機關取締、舉發之人、身份與英語保密、第一項獎勵之對象、基準、範圍及其他相關事項之辦法,由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":14755.518,"end":14769.671,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第20條,執法人員、人民或團體主動參與或協助主管機關取締舉發或續名事實或檢據證據資料檢舉本法違法事件者,主管機關得予獎勵,前項獎勵辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":14770.572,"end":14786.66,"text":"行政院提案第17條主管機關應培養具備海洋保育及生物多樣性專業知識人才並推廣海洋保育及生物多樣性教育課程以提升民眾對於海洋生物多樣性之認識委員楊瓊英等20人提案第21條內容同行政院提案第17條"},{"start":14788.121,"end":14797.172,"text":"行政院提案第18條,主管機關為促進海洋保育、海洋生物多樣性保護及永續利用,得自行或透過國際組織學術研究機構進行國際合作,並對人民或民間團體參與國際交流活動給予獎勵或補助。"},{"start":14803.78,"end":14816.477,"text":"委員楊瓊玉等20人提案第22條主管機關會促進海洋保育海洋生物多樣性保護和永續利用得透過他國國際官方或民間組織學術研究機構進行國際合作並對人民或民間團體參與國際交流活動給予獎勵或補助"},{"start":14819.921,"end":14834.967,"text":"行政院提案第19條為執行海洋生物復育主管機關或中央目的事業主管機關得依海洋生物復育措施辦理原則自行或委託其他機關、構法人或團體辦理下列復育措施因人工復育設施之投放而海洋動物之培育或野放"},{"start":14835.527,"end":14854.265,"text":"3、海洋植物之災指4、其他復育之必要措施。 前項有外之機關構自然人、法人或團體自行辦理復育措施前1、前項海洋生物復育措施辦理原則提出復育計劃必報經主管機關同意後使得為之。 第1項海洋生物復育措施辦理原則由中央主管機關會商中央命題事業主管機關定之。"},{"start":14855.706,"end":14872.322,"text":"委員楊秋英等20人提案第23條,為執行海洋生物賦育各級主管、機關分地事業主管、機關得益居國家海洋保育綱領提出下列賦育計劃,並致意專家學者及民間團體後經中央主管機關同意後實施,一人工賦育設施之投放,二海洋動用之培育或野放。"},{"start":14873.183,"end":14881.854,"text":"3海洋植物之災指4其他復育之必要措施前向海洋生物復育措施各級主管機關得委託其他機關個人或民間團體辦理並提供生態復育監測計畫監測復育情況並定期將辦理情形報請中央主管機關備查"},{"start":14888.283,"end":14908.539,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第24條人民其他機關購法人或團體自行辦理復育措施前應依據前條海洋生物復育措施辦理原則提出復育計畫報經主管機關同意後實得為之。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第25條主管機關應建立並定期更新整體海域生態資源利用"},{"start":14909.139,"end":14930.821,"text":"及物理環境之即時調查資料庫並以適當方式及指定網站主動公開除法律利用規定者依其規定有關第13條至第15條之許可行為及第23條生態賦予措施及庇護區外之資源及海域利用相關管制監測亦為前項應公開之資訊如涉及其他目的事業主管機關之權則應會上之"},{"start":14932.282,"end":14949.168,"text":"一本法舉行公聽會及聽證會等相關會議資訊及通知及前兩項相關公開資訊揭露方式內容及指定網站等相關事項由中央主管機關訂定之。第四章行政院提案張明為罰則委員楊瓊英等20人提案張明同行政院提案"},{"start":14950.748,"end":14970.74,"text":"委員楊瓊雲等20人提案第26條違反第13條第14條與海洋庇護區之禁止行為因人有害於生態系統之餘者處二年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或併科薪台幣30萬元以上150萬元以下罰金但違反13條之情形者已經相當之注意人無法避免者得減輕或免罰之"},{"start":14971.821,"end":14998.971,"text":"行政院提案第20條違反第9條第一項規定進入海洋庇護區域之核心區者處行為人海陸與交通工具駕駛人或船長新台幣10萬元以上50萬元以下罰還委員楊瓊英等20人提案第27條違反第13條規定處新台幣30萬元以上150萬元以下罰還經限期改善而未改善者得按日連續處罰之但已經相當之注意人無法避免者得減輕或免罰之"},{"start":15000.231,"end":15028.674,"text":"行政院提案第21條違反第10條第1項規定於海洋庇護區之緩沖區內未經許可從事該項所定禁止行為者處心台幣6萬元以上30萬元以下罰還。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第28條違反第14條至第15條之規定於海洋庇護區之緩沖區及永續發展區未經許可從事各款所定禁止行為者處心台幣25萬元以上120萬元以下罰還。進行其改善而未改善者得按日連續處罰之。"},{"start":15030.175,"end":15046.889,"text":"行政院提案第22條有下列情形之一者處新台幣3萬元以上15萬元以下罰還一違反第11條規定與海洋庇護區之永續利用區內未經許可從事該條所定禁止行為二違反第13條第一項公告事項"},{"start":15048.03,"end":15068.474,"text":"行政院提案第23條有下列情形之一者處新台幣2萬元以上10萬元以下罰還因違反第14條第二項規定無正當理由規避妨礙或拒絕海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護區保育計劃實施二違反第15條第二項規定無正當理由規避妨礙或拒絕海洋保育觀察員執行觀察監測或蒐集資料"},{"start":15071.235,"end":15083.048,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第29條有下列情形之一處新台幣10萬元以上、100萬元以下罰款經限其改善而未改善者得按日連續處罰之因違反第28條第二項規定規避拒絕或妨害"},{"start":15086.192,"end":15106.517,"text":"海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護具保育計劃實施者而違反第19條第一項及第二項規定規避拒絕或妨礙海洋保育巡查員或觀察員執行觀察監測及蒐集資料者。 行政院提案第24條違反第19條第二項規定為金主管機關同意自行辦理賦予措施者處新台幣1萬元以上5萬元以下罰還。"},{"start":15108.337,"end":15122.925,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第30條違反第24條規定自行辦理賦予措施未報競主管機關同意者處薪台幣10萬元以上100萬元以下罰款請限期改善而未改善者得案日連續處罰之。行政院提案第25條"},{"start":15124.185,"end":15138.247,"text":"違反第9條、第1項、第10條、第1項、第11條規定或第13條、第1項公告事項者主管機關應令其接受2小時以上、12小時以下之海洋保育講習課程。據不接受前項海洋保育講習課程或時數不足者"},{"start":15139.028,"end":15158.36,"text":"新台幣3千元以上、1萬5千元以下罰款。 請通知令其限期接受講習或補足時數人不接受或未補足時數者,得按次處罰至其接受講習或補足時數為止。 定向海洋保育講習課程之內容實施之對象方式及其他相關事項之辦法,由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":15159.801,"end":15185.869,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第32條違反第13條至第15條海洋庇護局禁止規定除以本法規定處罰外兵應接受6小時以上24小時以下之海洋保育獎習課程拒不接受前下海洋保育獎習課程或時數不足者處心臺幣3000元以上15000元以下罰還請通知人不到場者得按次處罰至其到場為止海洋保育獎習課程之適行辦法由中央主管機關定之"},{"start":15187.546,"end":15204.845,"text":"行政院提案第26條違反本法規定經應第20條至第22條規定處罰者其損害部分應回復原狀不能回復原狀或回復顯有重大困難者應賠償其損害為調查回復原狀所支出之必要費用由賠償業務人負擔"},{"start":15206.747,"end":15223.116,"text":"委員長瓊玉等20人提案第31條違反本法規定金融第26條至第28條規定受處罰者其損害部分應回復原狀不能回復原狀或回復嫌有重大困難者應賠償其損害為調查回復原狀所支出之必要費而為賠償義務人負擔"},{"start":15225.417,"end":15247.389,"text":"第5章行政院提案章銘為負責委員楊瓊英等20年提案章銘同行政院提案行政院提案第27條行為人違反本法或依本法授權訂定之法規命而主管機關疏預執行時受害人名或公益團體得續名疏預執行之具體內容亦書面告知主管機關主管機關亦書面告知送達之日起60日內"},{"start":15248.55,"end":15271.65,"text":"人為依法執行者．受害人民或公益團體．得以該主管機關為被告．對其待遇執行職務之行為．直接向高等行政法院提起訴訟．請求判令其執行。高等行政法院為前項判決時．得依職權判命被告機關支付適當律師費用．鑑定費用或其他訴訟費用與對維護海洋保育具有具體貢獻之原告。"},{"start":15272.831,"end":15298.01,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第33條各級主管機關待遇執行本法之行政義務或行為人違反本法或依本法授權訂定之相關命令而主管機關疏預執行時受害人民或公益團體得續名疏預執行之具體內容以書面告知各級主管機關主管機關予書面告知送達之日起60日內人為依法執行者受害人民或公益團體得以該主管機關為被告"},{"start":15300.531,"end":15328.932,"text":"對其待遇執行職務之行為．直接向行政法院提起訴訟。請求判令其執行。行政法院為前項判決時得益職權判命被告機關支付適當律師費用、監禁費用或其他訴訟費用與對維護海洋保育具有具體貢獻之原告。第一項之書面告之格是由中央主管機關定之。委員楊瓊英等20人提案第34條。本法罰還部分收入納入中央主管機關之海洋發展基金管理運用。"},{"start":15330.788,"end":15351.373,"text":"行政院提案第28條中央主管機關依第7條規定劃定海洋庇護區勤以於該海域合法取得目的事業主管機關同意鋪設電纜管道設施結構從事探礦或採礦或其他經許可或核准之行為者不受第9條至第11條規定之限制得繼續從事許可或核准行為至有效期限屆滿為止"},{"start":15352.933,"end":15361.181,"text":"委員楊瓊英等20人提案第36條本法施行前於海洋庇護區合法取得目的事業主管機關同意鋪設電纜管道設施結構或從事探礦或採礦者不受第13條至第14條規定之限制得繼續從事和轉行為至有效期限屆滿為止"},{"start":15370.129,"end":15386.17,"text":"但其繼續從事核准行為可預見造成海洋生態具體危害或持續造成具體危害之擴大者中央疾管機關因廢止該許可並得給予合理之補償中央主管機關認為有必要時應採行改善措施以維護海洋生態系統之健全"},{"start":15389.645,"end":15407.783,"text":"行政院提案第29條本法施行細則由中央主管機關定之委員楊瓊英等20人提案第35條內容同行政院提案第29條行政院提案第30條本法施行日期由行政院定之委員楊瓊英等20人提案第37條本法自公佈日施行"},{"start":15410.74,"end":15429.267,"text":"修正動議委員徐欣盈等3人所提修正動議第27條第一項第二項同行政院提案增訂第三項第一項之書面告知格式由中央主管機關會商有關機關公告之宣讀完畢"},{"start":15435.192,"end":15459.038,"text":"好謝謝我們先讀完畢本次的法案審查因有委員提案尚未互為為有利於委員的委員會充分的審查本次的會議所排定的海洋保育法草案令折起繼續審查本次的會議到此結束現在散會謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}