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因為我 我想當時的狀況可能是這樣就是您在7月21號的時候發了這份後來作廢的公文裡面有提到包含巴拉圭然後喬燕等等的這個資訊那因為我看到正本是給外交部副本有給了駐美代表處以及很多的這個辦事處"},{"start":3828.775,"end":3835.037,"text":"那我想可能他們收到了之後非常的驚訝覺得這樣子是不是大家都能夠推測那賴副總統的這個訪團的行程所以這件事情以後我就責令我們同仁說未來不要再這樣子做了因為那是第一次他們這樣子我也認為這個是有把國家機密這個複雜化的一個嫌疑所以這件事情除了跟代表處跟這個同仁都有說明以外後面我們在也沒有發生過類似的狀況"},{"start":3858.364,"end":3880.089,"text":"關於華語文學習中心相關的一些議題委員長您學中文的時候我們應該都是學助音我想請問一下我們最近力推的這個台灣華語文學習中心他們在教我們的僑報是教拼音還是助音我們是兩者都合併在一起兩者都合併那我們有掌握哪一個多哪一個少嗎"},{"start":3880.769,"end":3899.438,"text":"目前我們自己所編的教材呢我們是包容性的教材雙語教材那最少是開始是Mandarin and 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Camp讓這些學生可以在暑假或者寒假期間提早去進入學習華語因為很多國家不見得把華語列入他們必修的這個語言課程裡面英文是他們必修"},{"start":4751.501,"end":4751.521,"text":"謝謝羅委員"},{"start":4780.461,"end":4782.522,"text":"接下來請黃仁委員發言謝謝主席有請我們徐僑務委員長徐委員長黃仁恭喜謝謝"},{"start":4805.704,"end":4826.513,"text":"僑務委員的工作的重點有八項僑務政策以新南向僑生培育漁民與文化臺灣漁民與在線臺商與跨國漁民華語教材與教法"},{"start":4828.534,"end":4849.15,"text":"僑教歷史及其發展僑生教育及文化認同等重大的八項議題就以我目前有幾項重大的事件來做一個簡易的發言待會我可能要請僑民處處長還有僑商處處長跟僑生處的處長一起來"},{"start":4857.137,"end":4871.456,"text":"就以目前海地幫派首腦委普什總理亨利在普什他們下台在2月29日"},{"start":4872.958,"end":4901.909,"text":"在首都太子港號召武裝團體行動並於員警爆發了槍戰那截至目前為止已造成了數名的警員傷亡數千名的囚犯願意那請問一下在駐海這個海地大使館有沒有派駐僑務秘書有誰協助及掌握當地僑民的安全"},{"start":4903.258,"end":4924.906,"text":"跟委員報告海地的這個大使館我們並沒有派駐秘書目前根據我們的最近昨天晚上也掌握的訊息就是在海地目前我們只有駐館員的眷屬9人技術團人11人真正的台商只有4人所以總體加起來"},{"start":4926.667,"end":4950.606,"text":"只有24人在海地那目前他們所居住的地方距離那個暴動區有一段距離還上稱安全實質的狀況有沒有掌握到有因為他們都在跟大使館附近的區域裡面那如何協助他們在當地或是是離開海地的一個作業"},{"start":4951.625,"end":4972.341,"text":"因為目前的這個駐管員的這個眷屬9人跟技術團的眷屬11人那這些就算是我們廣義的所謂僑民以及我們的真正台商4人都有造冊而且都有在密切的聯繫隨時掌握說他們的希望跟這個必要的協助"},{"start":4973.281,"end":4996.505,"text":"這個就是影射未來可能我們的僑民在各海外如果一旦發生任何的暴動或槍戰如何保護到我們的僑民這是一個首要你們僑委會最重要的要務之一來保護我們的僑民因為僑民就是我們的延伸的國力所以這一點我必須要引咎於這個"},{"start":5001.987,"end":5014.515,"text":"議題來做為未來提示跟委員報告有關於僑民的部分僑委會做最多的資訊服務跟相關的關心絕對是必要的工作但是主要的這個相關有關於這個協調業務還是以外交部外管為第一線所以我們也是統一指揮外交部的你們在同步進行是的"},{"start":5028.004,"end":5053.498,"text":"那好剛剛我們聽我們羅美玲我們的委員有特別提出了評點制度是的那這個評點制度我想問一下因為現在尤其我們很多橋外的畢業生留在台灣道路阻礙重重那政府的評點制度拘留限制乃至於公司在聘用的時候"},{"start":5054.378,"end":5055.299,"text":"請問僑委會如何解決平點制度這個問題"},{"start":5066.591,"end":5089.819,"text":"首先跟委員報告這兩年來我們有7個部會幾乎是每兩個月都要定期開會協商這個相關的僑外生在臺灣就讀及工作的相關情形那去年勞動部已經也公布我們這個評點制的配額從6000又提升到7000人了那另外我們也將相關的這個計分點上面把它更放寬"},{"start":5095.804,"end":5100.797,"text":"我想這個你們要再深入的探討平點制度的這個問題"},{"start":5103.216,"end":5128.237,"text":"現在很多僑生對評點制的一個方向如果你限制以他在70%以上才可以留在台灣那對於其他很多的一些企業還有本身僑生的一個居留的問題就會限制得到上次你在去年"},{"start":5129.978,"end":5151.012,"text":"去年4月29日表示目前行政院也正在研擬新法有可能取消評點制讓更多優秀留在台灣僑生留在台灣就業這個去年你就已經提出來這個方案那這個方案應該"},{"start":5152.529,"end":5175.143,"text":"就以評點是雖然是這是勞動部制定出來的方案但是也應該要涉及到僑生的一個居留的一個權益讓他們能夠放寬所以這個部分你特別提出來這個方案那目前來講的你們所制定出來的一些新法有沒有要進一步的"},{"start":5175.728,"end":5200.666,"text":"跟黃委員報告確實您提示的方向我們都是照這樣子在執行我們也在上一次的這個七部會的會議當中我確實是有建議是不是往取消評點制的方向來做準備但要取消之前我們還有幾個配套措施一定要做所以包括國發會等相關部會要提出的這個修法的這個"},{"start":5201.747,"end":5228.376,"text":"反本要先經過大院的合定審查通過之後能夠實施這相關的配套制度才有可能同時落日所以我們很期待今年如果能夠速度快一點這些進行立法或修法的工作都可以完成那這樣我們憑典制就有可能走到一個快速日落的機會那所以目前這個還要有待我們各部會大家的這個努力跟協調"},{"start":5229.056,"end":5247.991,"text":"好 因為時間因素我們現在看一下就是現行剛剛你所提到的這些全球共有6處的僑務中心其中11處位於美國1處位於加拿大1處位於巴西1處位於菲律賓另外1處是在澳洲好 那我看了一下"},{"start":5249.246,"end":5268.303,"text":"歐洲跟非洲我們也有很多的僑民歐洲有5萬多人非洲有9000多人但是巴西3萬多人就有一個僑務中心為何我們歐洲跟非洲沒有"},{"start":5269.723,"end":5288.984,"text":"謝謝委員的提問 非洲呢因為其實鼎盛時期從1980年代到2000年我們在那我這邊建議歐洲既然有5萬多人的話是不是如果我們承購的那個所在地太貴是不是用租賃的方法"},{"start":5289.364,"end":5309.18,"text":"我們都想過要用租的但是歐洲現在非常非常昂貴我們的預算規模很低而且歐洲的僑民是很分散在20幾個國家才5萬人左右的這個所以最大的一個國家就是法國所以我們曾經在巴黎有曾經想預購但是這件事情在10年前由於預算額度不夠就開始負重了"},{"start":5310.401,"end":5312.562,"text":"那你看一看一下你評估報告是不是給我一份好不好"},{"start":5335.876,"end":5350.431,"text":"既然我們針對僑民來講的話,國內是一個非常要重視,因為它是我們國力的原生,那歐洲裡面既然有5萬多,但雖然居善在比較範圍比較大,"},{"start":5353.214,"end":5369.234,"text":"但是是不是有一個聯絡處聯絡處我們今天成購不起我們跟委員報告現在歐洲我們大概有這個派駐5個據點分別都跟我們各地的代表處沒關係你把這個報告給我那非洲呢"},{"start":5369.874,"end":5376.32,"text":"非洲目前因為僑民人數急劇下滑所以全非洲55個國家不到1萬的僑民那將近6千多的僑民是集中在南非那南非事實上現在已經不允許我們做任何新的這個購置案跟這個租賃案因為我們只有配置兩位僑務秘書分別在Yohannesburg跟Captain那配合我們的代表處跟主處"},{"start":5395.697,"end":5397.218,"text":"請沈博洋委員發言"},{"start":5433.393,"end":5436.996,"text":"好那謝謝主席那有請這個徐佳青委員長謝謝謝謝你徐國瑜委員長孫委員你好"},{"start":5446.349,"end":5467.18,"text":"委員長你好我還在民間的時候常常參與國外的活動所以很常遇到僑委會當然我覺得對於國人來講畢竟我們很多的事務都是由外交部來負責所以很多人都會認為說為什麼我們還需要僑委會所以當然我覺得今天藉由這一些問題可能讓僑委會也是跟國人說明到底現在僑委會的工作是什麼"},{"start":5467.76,"end":5472.045,"text":"中國也有類似的僑務工作,在2018年中國就把僑務工作弄到統戰部,也就是說這個變成是他們現在統戰的一環。"},{"start":5482.877,"end":5499.817,"text":"統戰的一環原本這是中國的事務跟我們沒有什麼關係但中國對於海外的台灣人也納入他的統戰範圍所以現在必須講說除了我們今天國內各式各樣的在地協力者跟中國應和成為這個統戰的對象之外其實海外完全是這個第二戰場"},{"start":5501.098,"end":5519.284,"text":"所以現在因為這幾次我們就發現譬如說在我們的政治人物訪美什麼等等的時候會發現當然中國可能以大使館那一邊他可能會去動員一些他們的人但他們的僑務工作也會可能會統戰我們的人民到那邊去做一些抗議的活動"},{"start":5519.964,"end":5534.117,"text":"所以會變成說在那邊有點中國人台灣人不分的這個問題出現就有點是被統戰了所以想知道僑委會因為畢竟這件事情可能跟僑委的核心業務比較有關係所以不知道僑委會現在對於這件事情的應對是什麼"},{"start":5536.478,"end":5560.108,"text":"目前因為隨著這20年來中國的這個海外移民越來越多那中國的長臂管轄確實也把這個範圍越深越大那尤其近年來我們在疫情前後呢都發現這個制度性跟組織性的狀況在發生那我們也都很密切的在收集各種的情資瞭解說這個有沒有滲入到我們的這個相關橋團裡面來"},{"start":5563.429,"end":5568.513,"text":"到目前為止我們都沒有具體的看到中國的這些僑辦他們把手直接就伸到臺灣的相關僑團裡面倒是對於比較是中國的移民的控制監控上是越區的嚴格的狀態"},{"start":5586.988,"end":5588.71,"text":"前陣子之前在加州也發生一些恐怖攻擊在教會也是針對海外"},{"start":5607.167,"end":5626.383,"text":"這一個海外的這個同胞然後呢可能長期以來對他做滲透然後呢也有一些違信的群組啊等等之類的那在長期接受這些中國製造的消息之後呢他會越來越覺得說他不只認為說什麼台灣的台獨分子才是敵人他認為在海外的台獨分子也是他們的敵人所以就會造成這樣的悲劇"},{"start":5627.043,"end":5653.047,"text":"對,沈委員講的提示的確實是一個很大的我們該注意的事項所以去年我上任之後也責成我們同仁說要快速的掌握在各個不同僑團當中如果有一些假訊息或者有一些中國不當的滲透的資訊要快速的在兩個小時內回報的一些SOP作業就是不希望說台灣或者是中華民國的僑民在海外呢"},{"start":5653.727,"end":5664.49,"text":"被中國方面統戰而造成一些錯誤的這個行為那去年當然發生了一件很不幸的案件我們也覺得這件事情當然這個就是當事人是參加的這個叫做統促黨的這個叫做相關的周邊社團活動那因此我們也提高警覺說類似這樣的狀況提醒我們所有的僑團如果有類似不同的這樣子訊息的時候"},{"start":5681.375,"end":5708.737,"text":"請他們可以提供給我們僑務秘書讓我們僑務秘書可以來進行瞭解跟通報那這樣我們也可以提早提供資訊讓這種悲劇不要再發生那很高興有這樣的預警機制因為對中國來講他做這些事情畢竟都還是漸進式的所以譬如說他我們看到他們有假消息的散播或者一些謠言的散播如果能夠在即時剛剛講到是兩小時嘛對不對所以如果有這樣的一個通報的話我們就會知道說他的觸角可能已經伸到哪裡"},{"start":5710.137,"end":5737.627,"text":"但是當然它還會有一些更軟性的措施比如說跟經濟相關的比如說我把它放在這一邊就是他們想要在這個用一帶一路啊什麼等等的這些方式呢它是一些比較軟性的然後藉由經濟的方式先拉攏一些我們海外的僑胞然後再慢慢的再做剛剛講的一些滲透工作所以呢除了剛剛講的這些虛假訊息謠言之外呢這些經濟的統戰可能也會是一個預警的一個機制就是可能也是我們要掌握的"},{"start":5737.907,"end":5765.289,"text":"那不知道僑委會對於經濟這方面中國的一個措施的一個反制或者說一個監測的方向是什麼中國方面他們運用這個和平統一促進會這樣的模式確實在各個國家各個地區的僑團來不斷的去設立那也不乏有傳統的僑民中國的僑民跟部分的台灣僑民去參加確實是有的剛剛講的那個例子就是他是在拉斯維加斯的"},{"start":5767.211,"end":5771.713,"text":"長期都有很多錯誤的資訊那針對用經濟手段來執行的這個在疫情前是可以說達到高峰那疫情當中就逐漸的這個緩步下來近年來呢雖然還是持續有這些用一帶一路的這種倡議希望能夠拉攏這些海外的勢力跟橋團但是我們有觀察到由於這個經濟的消長"},{"start":5792.564,"end":5814.86,"text":"跟這個中美美中的這個貿易戰經濟戰科技戰等等的趨勢變化看起來這一方面的這種運作呢有轉趨低調的形態但是我們都高度的提醒我們的僑民台商就是說如果在進行這方面有可能有人去跟你做想要合作的這種訴求的時候希望他們可以提供我們相關的訊息"},{"start":5819.784,"end":5827.144,"text":"到目前為止確實我們的大部分僑團也都非常團結他們一旦有這方面的訊息都會立即跟我們通報"},{"start":5829.191,"end":5851.683,"text":"感謝委員的解釋畢竟在禮拜一跟國安局長討論的時候也發現這樣的一個現象就是他們在統戰的資源跟他們放假消息這方面的資源其實有一點此消彼長的關係在疫情的時候因為經濟疲弱對他們來講要進行這種海外的統戰變成說用經濟的錢砸下去變得越來越不容易"},{"start":5853.324,"end":5874.311,"text":"兩個方向第一個就是放假消息這個對他來講非常容易沒有什麼成本另外一個就是呢去擴張他的執法的權利剛剛前面有提到他們擴張這個司法權所以這邊也是剛好下一個我想問的問題就是因為這個對他們來講成本比較沒有那麼高就是這種海外警察的一個設置那目前來講這件事情當然他比較偏向是中國對全世界的這種管轄權的擴張"},{"start":5876.192,"end":5885.128,"text":"那目前有沒有掌握到什麼事情是有影響到我們的台灣的僑報的一些不管是安全啊或者說甚至他的言論自由啊等等之類的案例呢?"},{"start":5886.549,"end":5910.646,"text":"我們唯一有一個案例就是我在去年已經報告過就是巴黎所設置的華語文學習中心由於他們的招生及營運績效非常好所以他們在開始不久以後網站就被攻擊過這個FB然後也連續被攻擊了4次但是從第一次發生以後我們就跟該中心說一定要去警察局備案"},{"start":5911.406,"end":5914.928,"text":"因此法國警察也積極去追查確實有掌握是中國方面的駭客干擾所以後來這個有被鎖定以後他們就後續沒有再接受到這樣的干擾但是這件事情是提醒我們要非常警覺"},{"start":5929.974,"end":5930.114,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5950.523,"end":5970.351,"text":"議事提高警覺然後能夠隨時掌握各地如果有一些對岸中國團體的新設立他們會包裝在什麼同鄉會啦或者是什麼商會啦等等之類的這種名義之下但事實上是在幫他們公安局或者是相關的官方單位執行某種監控他們當地中國僑民是他們主要的目標然後連帶的透過他們來進行統戰這樣的工作"},{"start":5979.588,"end":5994.999,"text":"因為我覺得從2023年的下半年開始他們經濟的作為確實稍微減少但是不管是這種假消息謠言然後以及這種司法權的擴張是大概最近做的比較多所以對於未來的工作來講針對他們海外警察對於我們的影響有可能"},{"start":5995.419,"end":6011.359,"text":"反而可能要特別的提高警覺這是我的一個簡單的建議那接下來就是剛有講到我們海外其實大家都蠻團結的然後會回報訊息各式各樣中國的一些可以活動但是畢竟我們還是會有遇到一些我們的僑務委員他可能跟中國有一些平凡的互動甚至去參與這個活動"},{"start":6012.72,"end":6012.84,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":6032.818,"end":6054.379,"text":"我們對於僑務榮譽職都有一個基礎的要求就是說他不能跟對岸有進行任何官方直接的公開接觸或私下也都不行所以確實在2014年的那個過程當中馬政府時期曾經有一團僑務委員去了中國官方接觸後來這些僑務委員都被開除"},{"start":6057.141,"end":6057.161,"text":"委員長"},{"start":6087.324,"end":6088.245,"text":"徐委員長徐委員長徐委員長"},{"start":6111.894,"end":6137.291,"text":"林委員你好委員長好有關於僑務的工作那麼本席其實持續因為雖然過去不在這個國防委員會但是呢我們在過去四年當中的這種所謂國會交流當中也感受到僑委會不只是照顧僑民也照顧台商其實如果以本席所收到的這個資訊可以看到其實僑委會這個管"},{"start":6139.853,"end":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help的一些重要的意義啦那也是希望說僑委會當然是以我國的國民為主但是同時當我們在協助其他國家的時候透過正面的宣傳也讓更多我們的友邦知道我們做的努力那這方面就是不要說只有外交部僑委會也可以來做一些協助跟宣傳"},{"start":8271.297,"end":8272.919,"text":"委員報告,另外我們在全球有設立了100多個緊急疾難救助協會"},{"start":8287.619,"end":8306.956,"text":"這目的是在我們有限的住外人員跟官方系統之外我們也藉由我們僑界的能量我們一些旅外國人無論是旅遊探親遊學經商等等如果遇到了車禍或者什麼等等的意外狀況的時候第一時間可以在當地找到我們的這些團體來協助我希望這個宣傳更大一點"},{"start":8314.822,"end":8340.253,"text":"致少是在過去自己的求學或者是就業經歷裡面通常大家第一線想到時間就是打外交部當然外交部的人員派駐的人員其實是一定不夠的沒有辦法這樣隨時隨地所以這個部分我是希望委員長能夠把這個相關的業務再做宣傳好的我們也會把這個相關的資料送給委員重點是宣傳讓我們各個國家特別是在比較有治安疑慮的地方一定要這樣子的資訊來協助那再來我們來講一下搭橋的計畫"},{"start":8345.721,"end":8355.307,"text":"前幾天也跟委員長討論過搭橋計劃首先我先肯定透過搭橋計劃我們包含是橋屋延行營、搭橋計劃、台灣學習體驗、台灣觀光團等等"},{"start":8359.77,"end":8359.91,"text":"主席"},{"start":8377.665,"end":8397.69,"text":"有沒有打算把它擴大?要不要提供更多的僑胞資源?因為我想之所以這樣講是因為在疫情的規模疫情的之前規模是挺大的我們這邊掌握是18個國家32個城市有200多個名額那現在是5個城市60多個名額現在有沒有計畫恢復或者是擴大?"},{"start":8399.511,"end":8423.104,"text":"謝謝委員的關心確實疫情前我們有200多個名額那當時因為是各個不同路線的僑胞做home stay的這個做法也就是說這個部分的cost其實都是我們僑界自己吸收了那疫情期間事實上由於很多邊境的控管那這個計畫我們就暫時沒有執行"},{"start":8427.726,"end":8442.473,"text":"疫情後我們也跟很多僑界繼續做調查詢問他們願不願意繼續做類似這樣的作業大家因為疫情期間有了一些顧慮就是說在自己家裡在host的過程當中擔心有一些風險"},{"start":8443.933,"end":8467.014,"text":"所以因此在疫情後我們重啟這個搭橋計畫的時候就沒有辦法照比照像之前那樣子可以有這麼多條路線跟這個到僑胞家裡的模式因此我們在有一樣的預算規模裡面只能做收回來全部由我們來自行辦理那變成這些年輕人他就是住在旅館了"},{"start":8467.935,"end":8493.416,"text":"那這個cost勢必就是會往上走所以我們的名額就變成下修那委員非常關心這個議題我們也了解我們也很期待說國內有這麼多優秀的大學生有興趣能夠多了解我們的國際社會跟僑務發展的這個趨勢我們也很願意來培養年輕人那未來如果我們預算可以擴增我們也會增加名額"},{"start":8494.229,"end":8494.409,"text":"主席"},{"start":8510.12,"end":8510.32,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":8530.838,"end":8552.81,"text":"謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告最新的進度狀況我們去年在疫情後首度恢復舉辦我們分了4條路線,總共是64個名額當去年來報名的人數是200多位,所以互取率大概25%但是今年,我要跟委員報告,今年不知道為什麼"},{"start":8554.091,"end":8563.862,"text":"我們的宣傳管道的這個更普遍以後今年居然2800個來登記非常好非常好我們繼續講好不好不然這個等一下委員長再給我書面不然來不及問完就沒有辦法把這一個計畫把它再擴張嘛就是報名資格嘛我們現在提到的搭橋計畫資格書審面試"},{"start":8574.171,"end":8589.376,"text":"今年當然這樣很好但是我們不希望說只是發公文給大專院校所以宣傳的部分特別要知道說其實很多大專院校都集中在北部那我們自己的希望是希望說能夠讓更多的機會比如說做外交也好搭橋計畫也好不要只鎖定在資源豐富的地方"},{"start":8589.616,"end":8589.796,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":8611.787,"end":8628.102,"text":"我們每年在徵選的時候也會考慮英語性的問題徵選我知道大家對英文很重視可是必須也要知道我們的特殊性有些雲江地區的孩子們他們在接觸語言的話可能沒有辦法達到這樣的標準可是他們有他們的特色也拿比方說我們吸口"},{"start":8628.823,"end":8629.543,"text":"徐佳青報告業務概況：完整會議徐佳青報告業務概況：完整會議"},{"start":8654.65,"end":8654.87,"text":"我們會來促進交流"},{"start":8674.058,"end":8674.739,"text":"王鴻威委員發言"},{"start":8702.179,"end":8725.374,"text":"好,謝謝主席我請一下徐佳青請委員長那,喬生處是不是?喬生王處長好,處長也一起來好,委員長、處長有一點事情要特別在這邊反映一下"},{"start":8727.212,"end":8741.04,"text":"我們僑友會有辦理僑生專班嘛對不對對產息專班對產息專班其實這是一個算是蠻好的一個政策那當然現在這個政策出現了一些問題那我先我有時間再講因為我今天的時間有限"},{"start":8742.501,"end":8759.455,"text":"但是我要講一個個案這個個案呢其實就凸顯了一些問題原來在我選區有一個就是高職的學校那麼他們其實也有參加這個僑生專班而且呢這樣的一個職校呢"},{"start":8759.935,"end":8783.288,"text":"他跟我們國內的一個很大的這個車廠他事實上是有一個產學合作那他們其實這幾年來那個非常好很多學生呢透過這樣的產學合作然後都可以拿到這個在求學的時候呢他們就有一些收入而且呢在就是畢業之後他就可以直接進入這個大的汽車廠去工作"},{"start":8783.968,"end":8808.761,"text":"好那這個學校呢他們也有在參加這個我們的僑生專班的這個計畫那麼因為他們有來自於緬甸的僑生那後來就緬甸的華僑跟他們反應說為什麼不能來你們學校呢是因為僑委會把緬甸很多的學生通通都刷掉了後來我們所了解就是緬甸學生的大概一半都在你們的緬甸"},{"start":8810.622,"end":8813.106,"text":"面試的時候在審核的時候全部都刷掉那這個當然我們是幫學校來詢問是不是什麼樣的問題"},{"start":8820.869,"end":8843.415,"text":"結果你們緬甸組的應該是姓林吧你們林組長好大官威啊因為我們辦公室我們都做為民代表我們做這樣的選民服務學校然後要收學生做這樣的那個僑生專班不是很好的事嗎你們這個林組長竟然立刻打電話給校長標罵一個小時啊"},{"start":8846.836,"end":8863.667,"text":"說你們找立委來施壓啊什麼等等之類然後甚至說你們會這樣子搞來搞去是不是你們有收人力仲介費啊反正這話都講得非常非常的難聽沒關係這個我現在要跟你反應啊因為我覺得這麼一個單純的事情怎麼會你們一個組長你們現在住外是怎麼都在當皇帝嗎"},{"start":8873.439,"end":8898.013,"text":"委員讓我等一下去了解一下狀況對所以我一定要請你們去了解的狀況第一個緬甸的這個委員這個學校因為他是今年第一度首次參加我們這個計畫所以他可能對於我們的一些作業不是那麼了解這都有可能這都有可能事實上我們後來回覆給學校就說你可能某些地方有誤解因為我們有來詢問有些地方有誤解還怎麼樣"},{"start":8902.148,"end":8917.095,"text":"我們才就是這種是非常正常的學名服務讓學校知道這個狀況是什麼但是沒想到你們組長立刻打電話來罵罵校長然後還說你們是不是在收人力仲介費怎麼可以這樣侮辱學校呢所以我在這邊"},{"start":8918.095,"end":8946.497,"text":"第一個我要特別要求就是請我們僑委會了解一下就是這一次的緬甸僑生他為什麼會被刷掉這麼多那當然因為你們有幾個標準嘛你要有這個華語的能力就是什麼閱讀啦基本策略基本能力然後不然的話你就要去上一些你們指定的這些機構你要上240個小時的華語課程那我所了解是這些來"},{"start":8949.032,"end":8960.681,"text":"來申請的他們是有符合至少有240個小時他們有去上課那這次為什麼會刷掉這麼多我想第一個你們可以了解一下第二個"},{"start":8961.857,"end":8985.359,"text":"你可不可以了解這個林組長是怎樣他是皇帝嗎這麼兇來標罵我們的校長校長想了解一下事實上是家長會想了解一下對不對然後還說人家什麼學校有沒有在收什麼人力仲介費嚴重侮辱學校我覺得如果有這樣的情勢你們可以去了解我們先去了解一下看看因為林組長是很客氣的人"},{"start":8986.72,"end":8994.286,"text":"來他對你客氣啊看上不看下啊他對我們同仁也都很客氣而且他過去在海外服務的績效也都是很受僑胞的好評我剛講我如果今天我剛講我其實不然的話我就會說僑委會你們回答我什麼東西嘛對不對我們也如實的去跟學校跟那個家長會也去講了其實基本上我們是很平時的但是接下來"},{"start":9011.38,"end":9011.901,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":9026.317,"end":9048.136,"text":"你們其實也一直在宣揚說報名人數創新高創新高那麽確實那我剛講人家真的來報名了你又去把人家刷掉刷掉人家來詢問你們要去罵人家學校但是你可以看監察院在去年底的報告裡面特別提出了我們產西裝班的成效"},{"start":9048.937,"end":9065.768,"text":"其中我覺得有幾個這也是值得我們去了解改進我剛講說你說光是報名人數創新高但是呢第一個他的畢業率低畢業率低為什麼他會畢業率低呢是學生的水準真的很差嗎"},{"start":9067.229,"end":9092.923,"text":"還是呢今天在整個的課程設計裡面是因為他可能太多的實作而使得他在真正的學業的部分他有大幅的壓縮我覺得這個都應該去了解因為我們光是去做大內宣說創新高第一個為什麼畢業率低好第二個重點來了我們其實是希望擴大我們的產業的人力的禁用然後再加上為什麼學校也都會"},{"start":9094.003,"end":9113.437,"text":"委員會希望能夠多一點學生大家都知道少子化大家都希望學生能多一些所以你們力闢管道力闢學生的來源學校當然很歡迎但是呢我們也出現了這個產息專班的流台率也偏低以這樣子來看呢就是以監察院的報告但我他這邊還沒有更更這幾個的"},{"start":9114.318,"end":9116.819,"text":"各位委員報告這個是早期開始開辦的時候當時對於那個華語的程度沒有做一定程度的篩選所以剛開始辦的時候確實有不少學生來了台灣一年兩年就適應不良語言一直沒有辦法提升以後"},{"start":9134.726,"end":9161.581,"text":"對就離開了所以這也是為什麼後面我們的這個流台的這個繼續工作的比例偏低對所以這兩年來我就已經非常高度重視就是說為什麼在第一線雖然他好像有受了240個小時可是每一個人學習程度不一樣這是為什麼我們需要面試面試跟他談一些基本的問題的時候就可以了解他有沒有真的懂還是說他只是做一個表面我有上課我有上課有些人學習進度比較慢有的人比較快"},{"start":9163.962,"end":9173.668,"text":"所以他今年沒有錄取沒關係明年他程度提升了我們還是會錄取他這個我都了解其實我們本來回復學校也是如此所以我剛剛講是後面的動作那請也請我們那個這是不是喬森處辦的業務對不對因為他這個監察院確實他是停留在105年"},{"start":9182.174,"end":9210.48,"text":"也請你們把相關這幾年的資料也能夠給我們辦公室一份讓我們知道如果有改進改進的成效如何因為否則的話整個流台流台的比率還不到四成而且後來變成三成後來變成兩成多連三成都不到那真的是太偏低了好不好那你把這個相關的資料再補給我們辦公室好委員這個最新可能要到今年的六月因為他們才畢業畢業以後才會有最新的你先把去年啊去年的資料"},{"start":9211.761,"end":9226.86,"text":"我們是7年嘛所以學生呢現在最近一起畢業的就是105年入學的去年畢業那今年的畢業生呢是106年入學的今年才會畢業所以這最新資料要等到5月到6月才會出現"},{"start":9235.109,"end":9257.093,"text":"謝謝接下來請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英楊瓊英委員不在請謝依鳳委員謝依鳳謝依鳳委員不在請鄭天才委員鄭天才鄭天才委員不在請羅明才羅明才羅明才委員不在請吳思堯吳思堯吳思堯委員不在請徐欣盈徐欣盈徐欣盈委員不在請邱志偉邱志偉邱志偉委員不在請蔡易瑜"},{"start":9260.174,"end":9265.543,"text":"蔡易瑜委員不在請鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌委員不在"},{"start":9268.342,"end":9284.129,"text":"我們已登記質詢的委員．除不在場外．均已發言完畢．報告及詢答結束本日的會議有陳永康委員．洪森漢委員．林義軍委員．王定宇委員提出書面質詢．請列入記錄並刊登公報．請相關機關以書面與兩周內答覆"},{"start":9290.231,"end":9300.238,"text":"本日委員口頭質詢未及答覆的部分或要求補充資料者亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供本日會議到此結束"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}