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時是新北市消防局分隊去執行救護外接。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:48.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:50.667000+08:00","text":"那你知道當時的狀況是怎麼樣嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"馮副署長俊益","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:50.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:51.788000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我不清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:52.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:52.549000+08:00","text":"那你來這邊做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:52.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:53.089000+08:00","text":"你們今天來這邊做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:53.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:54.330000+08:00","text":"越問越不清楚，這就凸顯國會調查的重要性嘛！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:54.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:55.964400+08:00","text":"什麼都不知道，你們來幹嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:55.964400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:57.598800+08:00","text":"還是警政署可以回應我？","quality":0},{"speaker":"何部長佩珊","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:57.598800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:58:59.233200+08:00","text":"委員，我們這邊補充。來！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:58:59.233200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:00.867600+08:00","text":"誰可以回答？","quality":0},{"speaker":"何部長佩珊","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:00.867600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:02.502000+08:00","text":"請人事處處長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:02.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:03.383000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個調查小組是由人事處來擔任幕僚，當天……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:03.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:03.663000+08:00","text":"剛才又說沒有影像！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:03.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:04.283000+08:00","text":"現在消防署來也不能告訴我答案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:04.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:04.443000+08:00","text":"當天在現場你們既沒有影像……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:04.443000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:05.443000+08:00","text":"對，我現在跟你報告現場……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:04.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:24.614000+08:00","text":"消防署那一天怎麼把人帶下來的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:25.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:29.056000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告當天的現場，我在這邊跟您報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:30.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:44.264000+08:00","text":"當天我們人事主任把他解下來之後，馬上就詢問他的家屬，他的家屬說要急救，所以急救人員來的時候……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:44.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:46.025000+08:00","text":"你問他家屬說要急救？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:46.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:47.965000+08:00","text":"當天還有時間問他家屬要不要急救？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:48.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:49.046000+08:00","text":"對，要急救。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:49.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:51.827000+08:00","text":"所以下去的時候，他是戴著氧氣罩下去的。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:51.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:52.827000+08:00","text":"然後那時候本來是用擔架……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:52.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:53.827000+08:00","text":"沒有不能蓋白布這件事？","quality":0},{"speaker":"姜處長碧琳","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:53.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:54.827000+08:00","text":"他是用擔架，但因為電梯的空間有限，所以有點立起來，並沒有所謂的坐輪椅。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:54.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:55.827000+08:00","text":"好，你請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:53.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:55.863000+08:00","text":"我再問一下部長，之前王安邦次長2月20號就約談了分署長，之後次長就黯然離職了，但分署長是不動如山。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T14:59:56.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T14:59:56.864000+08:00","text":"這整件事情，到底當時有沒有寫報告？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"何部長佩珊","start":"2024-11-20T15:00:23.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T15:00:24.391000+08:00","text":"您是指2月的約談嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-11-20T15:00:24.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T15:00:26.195000+08:00","text":"2月20號王安邦的約談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何部長佩珊","start":"2024-11-20T15:00:26.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T15:00:29.121000+08:00","text":"部裡沒有任何紀錄，你說寫報告……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2024-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