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"start":"2024-11-20T16:11:39.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:11:41.469000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:11:41.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:11:41.910000+08:00","text":"我接下來請經濟部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2024-11-20T16:11:47.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:11:47.830000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:11:47.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:11:49.792000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:11:49.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:14.386000+08:00","text":"在水與發展計畫當中，前瞻裡面有一個部分是水與發展計畫，講到要如何滿足地方上的用水，我們看到一個數字說到125年大概每天會有67.59萬噸的缺水，其中有18.5萬噸是新竹市缺的部分。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:16.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:21.868000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我們目前有哪些計畫要來解決新竹市缺水的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:21.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:33.330000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這是比較舊的資料，目前我們盤點結果，每一個區域都還有供水的餘裕量，所以這個資料我們再提供給委員。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:33.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:34.611000+08:00","text":"OK，好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:34.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:36.918000+08:00","text":"新的資料會有一些空餘出來的量能夠提供給新竹。","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:36.918000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:12:51.525000+08:00","text":"針對工業用水的部分，是用土地面積可容納的產業數量來推估工業用水，而新竹因為發展的密度很高，所以目前已經在進行立體方式的發展方案，包括竹科X計畫等等，都把園區已經用立體的方式在發展，所以它用水量可能也會不同。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:12:51.525000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:06.132000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，工業用水是不是要重新去評估？","quality":0},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:06.132000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:20.739000+08:00","text":"好，我請賴署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:20.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:35.346000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，除了對於單位面積的用水量之外，我們對於各個行業別，即便說是半導體的產業，我們都有各個行業別單位面積供水的評估，當然也有先進製程的評估。","quality":0.03},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:35.346000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:49.953000+08:00","text":"事實上，現階段新竹餘裕的水量，供給就是遠遠大於需求超過10萬噸左右，那我們現在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:49.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:50.073000+08:00","text":"現在有餘裕10萬噸？每天？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:50.073000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:51.073000+08:00","text":"現在有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:50.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:53.146000+08:00","text":"現在我們的供水……如果這樣的話，就不用做海淡廠啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:54.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:13:56.159000+08:00","text":"還是你把海淡廠也算進去？不是……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:13:56.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:01.140000+08:00","text":"如果現在每天有10萬噸餘裕的話，我們還要蓋海淡廠幹什麼？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:01.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:02.821000+08:00","text":"新竹未來持續會發展啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:03.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:08.402000+08:00","text":"所以你說現在我們每天就有餘裕10萬噸的水，你把資料給我。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:09.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:15.404000+08:00","text":"如果這樣的話，新竹市就不用蓋海淡廠，因為現在要蓋海淡廠，坦白說地方也有很多不同的雜音。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:15.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:21.185000+08:00","text":"因為跟地方的溝通，其實不是很成熟，所以也有很多地方的人士在反彈。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:22.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:14:25.788000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，水利署有沒有具體的作法？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:14:26.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:14.363000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們針對海放，包括取水的部分，我們會確實依照環評的要求，除此之外；對於沿線管路開挖的部分，我們跟市政府已經做好合作；至於漁民的部分，對於海域的保育，我們也跟漁民做相對的溝通，所以我們在海淡廠工程的計畫，包括我們在陸域的石門跟新竹的聯通管，這些計畫都是超前的。OK。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:14.363000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:20.451667+08:00","text":"因為民眾來找我陳情的時候，我到時候還是要找你們，我們希望能夠跟民眾做更好的溝通跟互動，解除民眾的擔憂跟疑慮，好不好？","quality":0.038},{"speaker":"賴署長建信","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:20.451667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:26.540333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員幫忙。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:26.540333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:32.629000+08:00","text":"好，最後，我問一下衛福部，針對社區公托的部分，分配不太公平，目前大概有好幾個縣市完全是零？","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"周次長志浩","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:32.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:38.995000+08:00","text":"因為主要是由縣市提報出來，如果提報比較低的時候，我們大概對於這種情形也會再去跟他們瞭解一下，詢問他們是不是……","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:40.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:44.961000+08:00","text":"針對這部分，新竹只有兩家，請問是不是還有其他家在申請？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:44.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:48.424000+08:00","text":"目前申請是不是還可以爭取後續的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周次長志浩","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:48.924000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:50.638286+08:00","text":"還有在申請的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:50.938286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:15:52.938286+08:00","text":"那我們持續關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:15:53.238286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:16:03.238286+08:00","text":"因為新竹市平均起來，其實也是不太足夠的狀態，我們希望衛福部可以給更多的支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周次長志浩","start":"2024-11-20T16:16:03.538286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:16:04.681143+08:00","text":"好，我們會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-11-20T16:16:04.981143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:16:05.981143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T16:16:06.281143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:16:08.281143+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭正鈐委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-20T16:16:08.581143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-20T16:16:10.866857+08:00","text":"接著請王育敏委員。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":2920,"blocks":[["鄭委員正鈐：（16時9分）謝謝主席，我想請一下交通部、經濟部及衛福部。"],["主席：請交通部伍次長、經濟部何次長、衛福部周次長。"],["鄭委員正鈐：首先，我想先請教一下交通部，我們前瞻5期這個部分，因為前面前瞻1、前瞻2、前瞻3、前瞻4，其實裡面都有一個跟新竹市有關的就是輕軌計畫。輕軌計畫坦白來說，其實這麼多年都還沒有往前走，目前最新的狀態就是新竹市已經跟新竹縣整合好，然後也跟園區管理局簽了MOU。我們現在決定要由新竹市來做大新竹輕軌的整合可行性研究報告，而所需的經費，我想請問一下部長，這個部分可不可以給新竹市政府多一點的預算，重新針對大新竹輕軌規劃？"],["伍次長勝園：現在這部分，我們其實是已經有補助，現在是由新竹市政府跟新竹縣政府一起，由它代表……"],["鄭委員正鈐：補助多少？次長，你現在如果沒有數字，我想請你能夠具體滿足地方政府的要求。"],["伍次長勝園：好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為前瞻8,800億裡面，其實本來有三百多億是要用在大新竹輕軌，可是都沒有用，我們現在希望有一個好的規劃，如果需要1,000萬、2,000萬，我想請教次長是不是可以支持？"],["伍次長勝園：我想這個我們可以支持，它申請上來然後我們來審議。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，感謝，不要口頭上講要，結果給個100萬、200萬打發地方政府，我覺得這不應該。針對這個部分，你剛才有提到說他們提出來之後，你們會盡力來配合，應該沒有問題啦？"],["伍次長勝園：應該可以。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝次長。我接下來請經濟部。"],["何次長晉滄：委員好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：次長好。在水與發展計畫當中，前瞻裡面有一個部分是水與發展計畫，講到要如何滿足地方上的用水，我們看到一個數字說到125年大概每天會有67.59萬噸的缺水，其中有18.5萬噸是新竹市缺的部分。針對這個部分，我們目前有哪些計畫要來解決新竹市缺水的問題？"],["何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，這是比較舊的資料，目前我們盤點結果，每一個區域都還有供水的餘裕量，所以這個資料我們再提供給委員。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，好。新的資料會有一些空餘出來的量能夠提供給新竹。針對工業用水的部分，是用土地面積可容納的產業數量來推估工業用水，而新竹因為發展的密度很高，所以目前已經在進行立體方式的發展方案，包括竹科X計畫等等，都把園區已經用立體的方式在發展，所以它用水量可能也會不同。針對這個部分，工業用水是不是要重新去評估？"],["何次長晉滄：好，我請賴署長。"],["賴署長建信：跟委員說明，除了對於單位面積的用水量之外，我們對於各個行業別，即便說是半導體的產業，我們都有各個行業別單位面積供水的評估，當然也有先進製程的評估。事實上，現階段新竹餘裕的水量，供給就是遠遠大於需求超過10萬噸左右，那我們現在……"],["鄭委員正鈐：現在有餘裕10萬噸？每天？"],["賴署長建信：現在有。"],["鄭委員正鈐：現在我們的供水……如果這樣的話，就不用做海淡廠啦！還是你把海淡廠也算進去？"],["賴署長建信：不是……"],["鄭委員正鈐：如果現在每天有10萬噸餘裕的話，我們還要蓋海淡廠幹什麼？"],["賴署長建信：新竹未來持續會發展啊！"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以你說現在我們每天就有餘裕10萬噸的水，你把資料給我。如果這樣的話，新竹市就不用蓋海淡廠，因為現在要蓋海淡廠，坦白說地方也有很多不同的雜音。因為跟地方的溝通，其實不是很成熟，所以也有很多地方的人士在反彈。針對這個部分，水利署有沒有具體的作法？"],["賴署長建信：第一個，我們針對海放，包括取水的部分，我們會確實依照環評的要求，除此之外；對於沿線管路開挖的部分，我們跟市政府已經做好合作；至於漁民的部分，對於海域的保育，我們也跟漁民做相對的溝通，所以我們在海淡廠工程的計畫，包括我們在陸域的石門跟新竹的聯通管，這些計畫都是超前的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。因為民眾來找我陳情的時候，我到時候還是要找你們，我們希望能夠跟民眾做更好的溝通跟互動，解除民眾的擔憂跟疑慮，好不好？"],["賴署長建信：好，謝謝委員幫忙。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，最後，我問一下衛福部，針對社區公托的部分，分配不太公平，目前大概有好幾個縣市完全是零？"],["周次長志浩：因為主要是由縣市提報出來，如果提報比較低的時候，我們大概對於這種情形也會再去跟他們瞭解一下，詢問他們是不是……"],["鄭委員正鈐：針對這部分，新竹只有兩家，請問是不是還有其他家在申請？目前申請是不是還可以爭取後續的部分？"],["周次長志浩：還有在申請的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：那我們持續關心。因為新竹市平均起來，其實也是不太足夠的狀態，我們希望衛福部可以給更多的支持。"],["周次長志浩：好，我們會。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭正鈐委員。","接著請王育敏委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":312,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-2-20,15,19,22,23,26-1","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","李坤城","陳亭妃","賴瑞隆","林宜瑾","郭國文","賴惠員","賴士葆","洪孟楷","顏寬恒","萬美玲","王世堅","蘇巧慧","王美惠","張雅琳","柯志恩","王鴻薇","陳超明","陳菁徽","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李昆澤","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","林月琴","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","陳培瑜","李柏毅","張智倫","李彥秀","黃健豪","徐富癸","張宏陸","謝衣鳯","楊瓊瓔","劉建國","范雲","游顥","林倩綺","王正旭","何欣純","羅明才","鄭正鈐","王育敏","葛如鈞","邱志偉","羅廷瑋","盧縣一","吳春城","黃珊珊","林俊憲","黃國昌","蘇清泉","陳昭姿","蔡其昌","張嘉郡","陳素月","邱議瑩","葉元之","邱鎮軍","蔡易餘"],"page_start":67,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310301_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請相關部會首長就「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期特別預算執行情形及成效」進行專\n題報告，並備質詢；二、審查行政院函請審議「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第 5 期特別預算案\n（114年度）」（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310301_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}