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標值很明確訂出來，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好。"],["張委員啓楷：你的預算要審嘛！你今天就是為了預算來的，結果你還空白，這個不叫螺絲釘掉滿地，什麼叫螺絲釘掉滿地？主委，以前的國發會有，為什麼現在沒有？好，你們回去再討論，一個禮拜內，把目標值很明確給本席，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們有目標值啊，我想這應該是有……我不知道這份資料是我們哪裡出錯……"],["張委員啓楷：這是你們提供的資料。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們來更正啦。"],["張委員啓楷：對，馬上更正，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：因為這個目標值我都看過。"],["張委員啓楷：主委，更嚴重的是過去的執行績效不好。","你看這幾天臺灣的空氣變怎麼樣？你一方面要減碳，一方面要減少空污，臺灣這幾天是減碳不成、空污暴增。我們看下一張圖，你看這幾天臺北天空一片灰，連醫生都出來講說臺中是在上演沉默之丘，左邊這是14號的空氣，你看，紅通通一片，到了15號，整個更是紅通通的。你減碳沒弄好，結果空污又這麼嚴重，這對得起人民嗎？人民的健康會受到很大的傷害耶，主委，你是訂這個目標的人，你要去達成，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好的。"],["張委員啓楷：我給你看一個很恐怖的圖，你看一下，我們現在空氣壞到什麼程度？我們要減少燒煤，這是國家政策嘛，國發會訂的，對不對？主委，對嘛？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對。"],["張委員啓楷：結果你看14號跟15號，台電10部燃煤機組全部火力全開，你看最上面的是林口的二號機，第二個是大林的二號機，臺中最可憐，臺中有6個燒煤的機組，在14號跟15號火力全開，你看趨勢圖，常常都火力全開，後來降下來一點點、稍微喘一下，人民呼吸可以稍微喘息一下下，14號、15號是全部都在最高峰，你看，火力全開耶！特別是臺中附近的居民，多麼可憐，6個燒煤的機組全部火力全開。我們看下一張，不是只有燃煤沒有做到，燒重油是不是更嚴重，對不對？基隆的協和，那個更貴，而且是更嚴重的，14跟15號不是只有10部台電的機組，連燒重油的全部都開了。再看下一張，民間的，那時候我一直在強調，我問行政院長、問你們，你們都說沒有缺電，我說沒缺電但你麥寮電廠卻燒煤炭，南部的民眾已經犧牲那麼多年，健康都受影響了，肺腺癌比例那麼高，說不要延役好不好，你們堅持延役，可是你們保證說如果一號機開了，儘量三號機不要開。我給你看下一張，14號跟15號麥寮不只開了一號機，火力全開，連三號機都燒了，這樣怎麼對得起人民呢？人民用肺在呼吸、用生命在呼吸，這還是國家的政策、國發會的政策。所以主委你有很重要的責任，怎麼樣減少燒煤，怎麼讓空污可以減少，你要多花時間，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好。"],["張委員啓楷：而且要非常具體，我們今天都不是用嘴巴講而已，我今天給你看的東西都是非常具體的，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝委員。"],["張委員啓楷：好。另外我要問你一個事情，你明年的宣傳費用暴增了一倍，大內宣文宣的費用暴增了一倍，更離譜的，我給你看一下，部長，你看這個表，你知道嗎？你的媒體宣傳費用，有線電視情有獨鍾一家，從去年112年到今年113年，主委……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個……"],["張委員啓楷：你聽我說，我去調資料出來，這個大家都查得到的資料，我們全臺灣的有線電視從48臺開始，東森財經、壹電視、年代電視臺、東森一直算過來，到56有民視、TVBS對不對？到非凡總共11臺，結果你只情有獨鍾、獨大1家，這不是得罪其他10家嗎？而且……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，這個我承諾改善。"],["張委員啓楷：院長已經講了不要過度集中，這個不只過度集中了，你是情有獨鍾、一家獨大喔！好不好？所以其他的要擴大。第二個，你的錢為什麼增加那麼多？你的宣傳費從今年1,695萬一下暴增到3,000萬。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：跟委員報告，我們增加的部分主要是來自三個部分，亞洲矽谷跟地方創生從前瞻預算移轉，然後加上人才的部分。"],["張委員啓楷：事情先做好比較重要，不要一直大內宣，這是第一個點；第二個，不要情有獨鍾一家好不好？不患寡而患不均，其他都要照顧到；第三個，不能夠編這麼多預算，這個預算編這麼多，我一定是大砍的。好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張啓楷委員，主委請回座。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝。"],["主席：本席是情有獨鍾臺灣隊。下一位質詢請鄭正鈐委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":214,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-16","speakers":["邱志偉","林岱樺","邱議瑩","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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