{"error":false,"id":["157312"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":157312,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157312","日期":"2024-11-21","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-2-19-16","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":2,"會次":16,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[19],"委員會代碼:str":["經濟委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-11-21T11:12:11+08:00","結束時間":"2024-11-21T11:21:10+08:00","影片長度":"00:08:59","支援功能":["gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fc78d56ce4a6375254d8abcf9f28e9497f9c834d54a4e02c64aaf8aafe3010cc2aeb4f393fa6d6c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"邱志偉","委員發言時間":"11:12:11 - 11:21:10","會議時間":"2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院歲入預算第5款第1項第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分。\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金。(詢答)）","transcript":{"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:21.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:21.727000+08:00","text":"主委，請問今天的議程是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:21.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:21.927000+08:00","text":"今天議程是審預算，審國發會的預算和基金預算。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:21.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.167000+08:00","text":"國發會，有沒有包括國家發展基金？含，嗯。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.448000+08:00","text":"對，預算是不是很重要？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.708000+08:00","text":"是的，關係到全年的運作。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:22.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:51.136000+08:00","text":"國發基金主管人員是誰，除了你之外，誰負責國發基金？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:52.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:52.637000+08:00","text":"我們的汪執秘。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:53.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:58.918000+08:00","text":"那剛剛為什麼汪執秘不在，主委，您知道嗎？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:58.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:12:59.159000+08:00","text":"我不清……我……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:12:59.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:00.179000+08:00","text":"你不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:01.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:02.639000+08:00","text":"對，因為我早上有看到他……執秘。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:02.639000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:03.639000+08:00","text":"是，召委好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:02.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:03.800000+08:00","text":"這個是我們內部作業的……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:03.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:06.280000+08:00","text":"重要的國發基金預算審查，很多問題要請教你。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:17.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:27.805000+08:00","text":"我諸次主持會議你都沒有親自出席，你都請副執秘出席，我也請副執秘轉告你說希望在預算審查你一定要出席。是。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:29.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:33.070000+08:00","text":"剛剛我要質詢你、要請教你幾個問題，結果你不在。抱歉。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:34.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:39.516000+08:00","text":"然後我問主委，主委說不清楚去哪裡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:39.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:13:48.267000+08:00","text":"他不清楚，第一個，你沒有行政倫理觀念，連你主管都不知道你去哪裡，在國會你當作兒戲！","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:13:48.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:00.492000+08:00","text":"第二點，你對國會不尊重，預算審查是國會職權、對行政部門的監督，是年度大事，這個會期最重要的就是預算審查。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:01.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:02.712000+08:00","text":"國發基金何等重要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:03.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:07.354000+08:00","text":"對產業的支持、對新創的支持、對地方發展的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:07.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:07.534000+08:00","text":"你對國會不夠重視！","quality":1},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:07.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:15.337000+08:00","text":"跟委員抱歉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:15.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:23.722000+08:00","text":"另外，你對主席也藐視，我沒有接收到你口頭的請假，也沒有任何書面請假！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:25.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:29.145000+08:00","text":"請假是你的權利，如果你有請假，我會准。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:30.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:33.627000+08:00","text":"你告訴我，你另有要公，我會准許讓你請假。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:34.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:39.083000+08:00","text":"你口頭沒有，你書面也沒有，一溜煙就不見了！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:39.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:47.509000+08:00","text":"委員，這是我們內部的錯，他有在內部請假，但是可能我們到這邊來的程序有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:47.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:52.873000+08:00","text":"從這個事情來看，我覺得國安會內部的管理，主委你要再多用點心。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:53.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:53.754000+08:00","text":"是的、是的。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:54.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:14:57.736000+08:00","text":"我很少會為這個事情生氣。是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:14:57.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:11.355000+08:00","text":"我不希望這種事情會影響到你們預算的審查，如果連執行秘書對你的國發基金預算都不重視的話，國會又怎麼去支持你的預算呢？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:14.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:16.318000+08:00","text":"所有的國發基金只有你最了解嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:17.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:21.661000+08:00","text":"主委剛上任，他怎麼可能了解國發基金目前的執行狀況到底是怎麼樣！","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:23.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:35.667000+08:00","text":"你的報告裡面，今年度你所有投資計畫裡面，對中南部的投資到底有多少？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:36.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:40.169000+08:00","text":"我問主委，他不可能知道，一定要執秘嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:41.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:15:47.572000+08:00","text":"直接投資、創投投資及創業天使投資是你們的重大投資計畫。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:15:47.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:03.803000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，14位經濟委員會的委員，有9位是來自中南部，對中南部相關產業的支持是國發基金該有的基本思維，所以我要問你，突然問主委，他當然沒辦法答得出來。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:03.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:10.691000+08:00","text":"那我現在問你，中南部企業的比例，直接投資在今年度占了多少？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:12.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:19.726000+08:00","text":"跟召委報告，我們在高雄地區這邊是投資了40家企業、108.6億。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:20.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:32.377000+08:00","text":"這3年我們在高雄地區，召委，我上次到你辦公室報告之後，我也承諾未來在南部地區一定要加強，包括提到的設辦公室，早上您主持的時候其實我是在會場。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:35.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:45.347000+08:00","text":"這3年我們在高雄辦了14場說明會，平均每年都要辦5場，但我們還是覺得不夠，因為只要有新創的不夠了解都是我們的責任……","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:48.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:49.249000+08:00","text":"對中南部的比例是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:49.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:50.590000+08:00","text":"直接投資的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:51.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:58.595000+08:00","text":"對中南部的比例，這個投資，我想我們回去精算一下，中南部加起來的話，目前來講87件，是占7.3%。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:16:58.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:16:58.895000+08:00","text":"你看，7.3%而已！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:06.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:10.711000+08:00","text":"7.3%，你要怎麼面對經濟委員會14位委員中9位來自中南部的委員？","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:12.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:13.093000+08:00","text":"創投投資的部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:14.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:15.857000+08:00","text":"你們來之前，這些數字都要準備好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:19.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:33.204000+08:00","text":"創投的部分跟委員報告，多數的創投，我們投國內和國外，目前手上有63家創投，國外占了大概三分之一；國內部分，多數的創投，因為臺北市是金融中心……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:33.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:34.184000+08:00","text":"所以中南部有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:34.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:35.425000+08:00","text":"中南部的創投，跟委員報告是沒有。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:35.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:35.925000+08:00","text":"沒有嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:37.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:41.466000+08:00","text":"而創業天使投資都是集中在臺北，對不對？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:41.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:48.053000+08:00","text":"所以你所有的投資計畫裡面，基本上投資在中南部的少之又少、鳳毛麟角。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:50.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:17:54.416000+08:00","text":"今天累計將近一千億投資，到底有多少是在中南部？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:17:57.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:18:05.340000+08:00","text":"所以你們要檢討你投資的項目、投資的方向、投資的區域，應該做到公平化，要平衡、均衡發展。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:18:07.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:18:12.483000+08:00","text":"是，我會做一個優化的計畫跟您報告，我親自跟您報告。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:18:13.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:18:37.804000+08:00","text":"我想這是基本態度的問題，公務人員不管是在立法部門或行政部門，為官之道在於仁，仁愛就是仁，就是對事情你要盡心盡力；對你的部屬，你要善待你的部屬，這樣才會國強民富。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:18:38.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:18:45.867000+08:00","text":"而不是自己的責任你不釐清，也不好好把你的工作做好，這樣不行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:18:47.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:03.138000+08:00","text":"特別是國發會掌管的，國發會是財經的一個整合單位、一個小內閣，如果國發基金的主委、執行秘書是這種態度的話，我會覺得很憂心；不只憂心，本席會覺得難過啊！","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:16.049000+08:00","text":"我在這邊14載沒看過有5、6位委員等一個執秘，而且你走也沒有留下任何的訊息，沒有人知道你去哪裡。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:19.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:31.518000+08:00","text":"跟委員抱歉，我們會改善，因為他有請假、的確，但是內部因為沒有溝通到這裡來，所以造成……這個我想我們整個流程會重新檢討，跟委員再次道歉。好啦！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:33.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:39.627000+08:00","text":"我時間……是這樣子，基本上我很少生氣，生氣我是對事不對人。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:41.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:48.679000+08:00","text":"我肯定執秘的能力，但您處理事情的態度，我認為是有欠……思慮不周啦！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:48.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:49.679000+08:00","text":"我來檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:49.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:50.679000+08:00","text":"好，執秘先回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:49.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:19:50.039000+08:00","text":"螺絲業是傳統產業，對不對？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:19:50.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:17.439000+08:00","text":"面臨兩年的寒冬，明年可能又會有更大的風暴，不能完全把國家的資源集中在半導體或者AI，要有更多資源協助傳統產業的轉型。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:18.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:36.383000+08:00","text":"螺絲扣件就是如此，我看不到有任何資金的挹注或者是轉型的計畫來協助屬於在中南部比較傳統的產業，主委，對於螺絲你的想法呢？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:36.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:43.986000+08:00","text":"這個產業，我會找經濟部做一個檢討，因為主要是這個產業目前為兩種，一種走高值化到植牙和太空……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:43.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:44.986000+08:00","text":"那個你再補充資料給我。我要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:44.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:47.808000+08:00","text":"另外一個走經濟規模，現在的規模過小。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:50.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:50.809000+08:00","text":"我要遵守會議時間，時間到了我就要暫停質詢。是。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:53.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:20:55.331000+08:00","text":"剛剛我請教你的，希望你再以書面資料給我。好的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:20:55.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:00.413000+08:00","text":"另外是對中東歐投資和融資，目前的執行狀況。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:00.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:01.454000+08:00","text":"是的，好的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:01.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:02.674000+08:00","text":"這個部分也提供書面資料。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:02.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:03.175000+08:00","text":"好，我會提供。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:07.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:07.953000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:07.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:08.475000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:08.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:15.832143+08:00","text":"請邱委員要息怒，不然等一下火爆的氣氛延續下去就比較……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:16.132143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:21.560714+08:00","text":"我是沒有生氣，也沒有動怒，我是有點難過而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:21.860714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:41.575000+08:00","text":"我相信是這樣的，理直氣和，不一定大聲，但是該追究的責任，我想主委還是要去了解一下，爾後不要再發生類似的事情，主管人員對他的預算一定要用最大的努力來爭取。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2024-11-21T11:21:41.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T11:21:45.017857+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}