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時決定暫行下架這件事情是我們內部編輯室討論結果所以與部長後來的發言這是兩件事情是兩件事情嗎?那董事長從您作為傳播學者的高度啊您覺得這個報導有沒有問題?"},{"start":272.543,"end":294.595,"text":"我們認為那個用字所謂A 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felonFelon這個字翻譯成中文您很了解就所謂的重罪其實在美國這不是那麼重不過這個用語簡單來講就是我們覺得是可以用但你要在敘述脈絡裡面做妥善你說得很好啊問題就出在敘述脈絡嘛是這個有問題他在報結果的時候啊"},{"start":300.227,"end":325.054,"text":"說我們的盟邦啊重要的盟友啊美國人到底會選出一位女總統還是會選出一位重刑犯結果美國人選擇的是一個重刑犯這樣子的敘述我老實說啦大家看完了以後我覺得真的非常不妥真的非常不妥我本來還以為說這個事是在美國有特定黨派立場的媒體所做的報導"},{"start":326.96,"end":351.838,"text":"我語重心長的就是說跟董事長說一句話我們這個會期要審預算台灣Plus當初成立的時候大家有很高的期待搞到今天連部長剛剛的發言您都聽到了如果沒有再更努力的說服國人的話這個預算接下來審議的時候要立委支持"},{"start":352.95,"end":380.635,"text":"大家都會很困難我想我話說到這邊董事長應該可以理解嘛好下一個啊國內的公廣集團我真的是匪夷所思欸我們的華視啊報新聞報到會違反選罷法看到這個新聞想說這個是新聞還是在幫民進黨吹票啊當初這個新聞出來的時候一堆人質疑啊"},{"start":382.049,"end":405.172,"text":"我搞到後來被中選會裁罰了中選會裁罰華氏20萬代表人20萬代表人20萬的錢是自己出的嗎?如果處分確認當然是我們應該要自己出的應該要自己出現實上有自己出嗎?所有處分都是華氏自己付款對啊"},{"start":407.45,"end":430.062,"text":"華視自己負擔沒意義啊是納稅人在負擔啊您同意嗎?呃,華視當然他股份有83%是公司基金會不過他的營運是完全自己自主。董事長我真的蠻敬重您的但我覺得在國會不要講外行話啦你罰華視20萬絕大多數就是納稅人出嗎?出現這樣子的狀況華視內部有檢討嗎?"},{"start":436.974,"end":454.617,"text":"有,而且有在總經理他對這個事情有做過一個討論跟檢討。那檢討完了以後呢?有誰被追究責任?我可以再去了解一下。請了解一下一個禮拜之內書面回答我,誰負了責任?"},{"start":456.055,"end":483.326,"text":"因為我看到有很多傳播學者當初大家都很支持公廣集團看到這個新聞的時候覺得不可置信覺得不可置信我們公廣集團的人去搞這種事情違反選罷法讓大家質疑我們的公廣集團做出來的新聞是當初接觸的理想為國家、為社會、為人民還是幫特定的黨派"},{"start":484.673,"end":485.013,"text":"閱讀委員會主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:50.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.028000+08:00","text":"麻煩有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.168000+08:00","text":"有請李部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.309000+08:00","text":"黃委員，你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.429000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:51.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:25:52.930000+08:00","text":"其實我是支持臺灣的新聞應該要國際化，對於臺灣的閱聽大眾來講，多接觸一些國際新聞，確實是有助於開闊視野與世界連結。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:25:53.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:26.376000+08:00","text":"但我必須要老實講，你們做的TaiwanPlus到現在社會上反彈的聲音很高，真的，我可以很直接地向部長做這樣的表白。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:27.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:40.508000+08:00","text":"當初你們高舉的一些想法與實際上的落實，中間的落差讓大家開始質疑，每一年花這些錢做這件事情，到底是在幹嘛！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:41.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:44.251000+08:00","text":"部長，TaiwanPlus到現在的成效，你滿意嗎？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:44.251000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:45.486633+08:00","text":"不滿意，但是我蠻了解TaiwanPlus的來龍去脈，以及它在三年之間的轉變，我想再給他們一點時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:45.486633+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:46.722267+08:00","text":"需要多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:46.722267+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:47.957900+08:00","text":"需要多久就看他們自己努不努力吧！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:47.957900+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:49.193533+08:00","text":"他們要努力多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:49.193533+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-21T12:26:50.429167+08:00","text":"我想請執行長直接向你回答。不是！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:26:50.429167+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:27:22.386000+08:00","text":"請部長能夠理解我們立法委員的立場，當選民向我們做出這樣的反映時，我們恐怕沒有辦法雲淡風輕的告訴你，請他們再努力吧！","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:27:23.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:27:46.440000+08:00","text":"大家要看到的是實際的成果，特別是無論從審計部的總決算報告或立法院預算中心的報告，對於TaiwanPlus的實際效果質疑得非常非常大，甚至出現了這樣的狀況。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:27:46.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:12.350000+08:00","text":"老實說，我是會看國際新聞的人，你們公視出的那份檢討報告，我也都看過了，但問題是在臺灣目前的脈絡之下，我們報導的新聞感覺好像我們的政府、我們的公廣集團是有選邊的、選特定的價值。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:14.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:22.378000+08:00","text":"我也不想誤會這位記者，因此，我從頭到尾全部都聽完、我也不是看翻譯的，而是看她的英文如何表達。","quality":0.683},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:22.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:22.858000+08:00","text":"部長，你也說這個情況很嚴重吧？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:27.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:37.572000+08:00","text":"當年要成立TaiwanPlus的時候，我們找了很多外國記者，因為本國記者的英文程度不夠好，於是我們就從外國找記者。","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:38.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:44.053000+08:00","text":"但是外國記者本身的政治傾向或言論，我覺得的確是與臺灣有一些差異。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:44.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:44.633000+08:00","text":"你覺得這樣的事情還會不會再發生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:45.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:45.714000+08:00","text":"希望儘量減少。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:28:53.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:28:57.114000+08:00","text":"對於目前TaiwanPlus所提出的檢討報告，你滿不滿意？","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:00.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:04.220000+08:00","text":"不會太滿意，我覺得還是找了一些藉口。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:05.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:07.383000+08:00","text":"還是找了一些藉口嘛！對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:07.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:10.866000+08:00","text":"你不滿意，也認為他們在找藉口，接下來該怎麼辦？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:10.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:11.246000+08:00","text":"繼續督促他們繼續努力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:17.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:25.703000+08:00","text":"因為公廣集團本身的設定是獨立運作，包括節目內容及新聞內容，文化部是不能干預的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:26.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:35.509000+08:00","text":"像這次我稍微覺得有點嚴重，馬上就有人說我干涉新聞自由、文化部長干涉新聞自由，其實我完全沒有。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:36.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:36.770000+08:00","text":"請胡董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:36.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:36.910000+08:00","text":"請胡董。","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:37.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:37.030000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:37.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:49.787000+08:00","text":"部長剛剛講的話，我完全聽得懂，元輝兄也是之前我非常敬重的傳播學者。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:51.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:29:56.210000+08:00","text":"你覺得部長表達這樣的立場是干預你們的新聞自由嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:29:56.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:06.695000+08:00","text":"首先要說明，當時決定暫行下架的這件事情是我們內部編輯室討論的結果，所以與部長後來的發言是兩件事情。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:07.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:07.875000+08:00","text":"是兩件事情嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:09.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:13.177000+08:00","text":"董事長，就你身為傳播學者的高度，你覺得這個報導有沒有問題？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:15.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:27.350000+08:00","text":"我們認為那個用字，所謂的convicted felon，felon這個字翻譯成中文，你很了解，就是所謂的重罪，其實在美國不是那麼重。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:27.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:34.354000+08:00","text":"不過，這個用語，簡單來講，我們覺得是可以用，但你要在敘述脈絡中做妥善的處理。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:34.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:35.394000+08:00","text":"你說得很好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:36.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:36.955000+08:00","text":"問題就是出在敘述脈絡嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:37.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:37.115000+08:00","text":"是，這個有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:37.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:51.269000+08:00","text":"她在報導結果的時候，說我們的盟邦、重要的盟友、美國人，到底會選出一位女總統，或是會選出一位重刑犯？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:52.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:30:54.050000+08:00","text":"結果美國人選的是一位重刑犯。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:30:55.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:02.872000+08:00","text":"對於這樣的敘述，老實說，大家看完之後，我覺得真的非常不妥、真的非常不妥！","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:31:03.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:08.054000+08:00","text":"我本來還以為這是不是在美國有特定黨派立場的媒體所作的報導？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:31:09.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:37.670000+08:00","text":"我語重心長的告訴董事長一句話，在這個會期要審預算，當初TaiwanPlus成立的時候，大家有很高的期待，搞到今天，剛剛部長的發言，你也都聽到了，如果沒有再努力的說服國人，這個預算在接下來審議時要立委支持，大家都會很困難。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:31:37.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:40.131000+08:00","text":"我想我的話說到這邊，董事長應該可以理解吧！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:31:43.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:48.192000+08:00","text":"下一個，對於國內的公廣集團，我真的是匪夷所思耶！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:31:49.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:31:59.274000+08:00","text":"我們的華視報導新聞報到會違反選罷法，看到這個新聞時，心想這是新聞或是在幫民進黨催票啊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:01.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:03.615000+08:00","text":"當初這個新聞出來的時候，有一堆人質疑啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:05.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:17.361000+08:00","text":"搞到後來被中選會裁罰，中選會裁罰華視代表人20萬元，這筆20萬是代表人自己出的嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:17.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:20.404000+08:00","text":"如果處分確認，當然是我們應該要自己出。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:21.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:21.605000+08:00","text":"應該要自己出？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:22.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:24.929000+08:00","text":"現實上有自己出嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:25.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:28.152000+08:00","text":"除了處分，都是華視自己付款。對啊！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:30.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:33.612000+08:00","text":"華視自己負擔沒意義，其實是納稅人在負擔啊！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:34.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:36.954000+08:00","text":"你同意嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:36.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:43.537000+08:00","text":"因為華視有83%的股份是屬於公視基金會，不過它的營運完全是自主。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:45.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:49.920000+08:00","text":"董事長，我真的蠻敬重你，但我覺得在國會不要講外行話。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:50.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:51.861000+08:00","text":"罰華視20萬元，絕大多數就是納稅人出嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:51.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:32:53.062000+08:00","text":"出現這樣的狀況，華視內部有檢討嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:32:59.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:33:05.962000+08:00","text":"有，總經理對這件事做過討論及檢討。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:33:07.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:33:07.584000+08:00","text":"檢討完之後呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:33:08.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:33:09.586000+08:00","text":"有誰被追究責任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡董事長元輝","start":"2024-11-21T12:33:11.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:33:12.831000+08:00","text":"我可以再去了解一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T12:33:13.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-21T12:33:17.597000+08:00","text":"請了解一下，1個禮拜之內以書面回答我，誰負了責任？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-11-21T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