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管主委好首先先請教一下這兩天大家非常關注的一個新聞就是海巡署裡面的一個女下士她涉嫌洩密然後主動的索取匯款然後來透露我們的國家機密那我覺得這件事情滋事體大剛剛其實緬懷委員也有提到其實管主委也有大概的表達一下說其實現在有針對海巡署裡面這樣的情勢有做基本的防堵"},{"start":39.539,"end":67.547,"text":"這件事情大家很關心因為大家知道說其實現在中共在吸收共諜他們的不只是軍種是海陸空軍其實海巡署也是重點不管是什麼樣的軍種其實他們都沒有放過所以我覺得全面的防堵非常重要所以也在這邊請我們管主委來跟大家表達一下說接下來到底有什麼樣的防堵措施要來提振一下不只是我們海巡署的士氣也好"},{"start":68.827,"end":87.484,"text":"給予國人信心也好這件事情真的非常重要否則這樣的泄密案一再的出現因為其實大家也知道國防部手上也有很多案他們也都積極的在主動送案當中包括前陣子送了一個宮廟跟黑道吸收的共諜案起訴了十幾個"},{"start":89.042,"end":115.989,"text":"那海巡署其實也是一樣的情形?其中也有從國防部牽連到我們海巡署來的。所以中國的盛痛真的是無孔不入,非常的恐怖。而且真的都是高架在誘惑我們的捍衛部隊。所以這個事情對國家來講是一個非常非常重大的國安的問題。因此我是非常的重視。那我剛剛也有說明過,特別在跟黃委員說明,就是說我一個在在而山的山林武生,"},{"start":116.849,"end":118.37,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海"},{"start":136.142,"end":138.202,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海"},{"start":160.467,"end":177.694,"text":"被交保者出來現身說法,說給你們聽,讓大家知道他的慘痛的經歷。我讓大家知道說,如果你洩的密等是軍事機密,你最高可以判無期徒刑。我不斷地三令五申告訴我的同仁。"},{"start":178.374,"end":180.655,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海"},{"start":203.015,"end":223.637,"text":"好,謝謝諸位的說明。當然,如果真的是他們鎖定一些經濟弱勢的一些人員下手,那我當然也希望說,沒錯,所以我也希望說海巡署在這邊可以掌握所有同仁的狀況,不希望說大家因為經濟的需求誤入歧途。"},{"start":224.358,"end":239.17,"text":"我們有組律師團下去做法治的教育以外鼓勵大家願意讓我們替他們做債務清理的工作或債務協商的工作連這些事情我都有在推動了可見對這個事情我們有看到問題點有針對問題努力的在防止"},{"start":245.495,"end":268.685,"text":"好 謝謝主委的說明那這件事情真的非常重要國安是大家共同的責任那再來想請教一下因為其實這個海洋三法到現在其實最後一里路就是海域管理法沒錯 所以在這邊也想請教一下主委海域管理法目前推動的進度手上的草案到底到什麼程度了呢"},{"start":269.185,"end":292.214,"text":"跟委員報告我們還需要進行跨部會的協商那這一部法律它所牽動相關必須要配套修的法非常的多其中還包括國土計劃法所以我們目前正在研擬這個各部會相關的意見之中那我們自己本身有草案的版本出來我可以請我們海資處長來跟委員做一下我們的規劃說明我們內部開過非常多次的會了"},{"start":298.576,"end":323.937,"text":"那其實在過去也跟相關的政委都開過會了那現在我們的處長也去跟現在的主管政委都做過報告了那下一個階段主要是跨部會的協商好 謝謝跟委員報告就是說海域管理法的部分目前其實它的內容會跟現行的區域計劃法跟未來的國土計劃法其實是高度重疊沒錯"},{"start":324.758,"end":339.463,"text":"那這一個法實施以後區域計劃法跟國土計劃法怎麼處理那未來現行海域管理法裡面還涉及到我們現在其他部會的33部的一個涉海的法律那也都要做一個安排"},{"start":340.003,"end":341.984,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海"},{"start":360.814,"end":382.635,"text":"海域的部分就是海域管理法來納管這個是行政院現在政策確定的那現在後續大概就是涉及其他跟涉海法律的安排的這一個部分那也跟在...不好意思處長我追問一下所謂的就是海陸分離是指說所有的領海所有的領海你們都要管嗎"},{"start":383.255,"end":391.309,"text":"就是從平均高潮線往海的一側只要是我們國家管轄的海域都是我們海域管理法來納管"},{"start":392.401,"end":395.383,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海"},{"start":422.662,"end":447.778,"text":"地球物理甚至是很多生文的部分像這些其實你們有在處理但是如果有一部分的領海的內容是由國土計畫法來管理並沒有辦法像你們管到這麼全面甚至我們的海洋資料庫是會有缺漏的我擔心的是這個是所以跟委員報告就是說我們現在跟內政部協調的結果就是從平均高潮線往海的一側就通通交給我海委會的海域管理法來納管"},{"start":448.698,"end":469.286,"text":"那這些科研的資料我們有我們的國家海洋研究院在統合其他部會做完整的全海域的基礎調查這些資料也會進到我們所謂的國家海洋資料庫裡面到時候有可以分享各部會來使用那這個也是未來我們這個法律在做所謂的海洋空間規劃裡面"},{"start":470.986,"end":488.415,"text":"這些海洋科學數據都是重要的一個參考的一個基礎資料。沒錯,謝謝處長的說明,這就是我想要知道的答案。除了這個之外,我也希望像你剛剛後續提到的,海域管理法跟接下來是不是海洋空間規劃法有機會分開立法,這個你們也應該要下去討論。"},{"start":490.189,"end":504.972,"text":"跟委員報告其實當時講海域管理法是比較精簡那未來這一個法制其實我們的核心就是海洋空間規劃及管理法可能後續會這麼調整所以是只有一部法律"},{"start":506.508,"end":516.462,"text":"我們就是海域管理法的內容中的一個核心那名稱是不是要改我們未來討論的時候會討論好那我也希望加速立法謝謝主委謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請牛許廷委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}