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那再來"},{"start":302.631,"end":304.572,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海洋保育法。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋保育法。"},{"start":326.601,"end":342.487,"text":"二月15日行政院通過草案。今年的7月13日三讀通過。那今年的7月31日我們已經公佈可是行政院一直沒有施行剛剛主委講執法遙遙無期"},{"start":344.228,"end":363.752,"text":"這個是很有問題的有效率了跟委員報告我們已經有三個執法在公告了你時間你什麼時候海洋保育法可以上路我們希望半年有第一階段我們分兩階段半年有第一階段然後一定要在一年之內全部讓所以還要再一年本席在這裡做結論總共一年是在過去過去國民黨執政的時候"},{"start":372.56,"end":392.531,"text":"我們母法在修的過程執法也都同步準備好母法一通過執法依據母法有該微調該修正的馬上修正所以母法通過之後應該執法也是很快速就可以通過沒有像這種還要一年的然後我們除了海洋保育法我們看到民進黨執政"},{"start":394.352,"end":399.256,"text":"連國土計劃法也一樣母法通過了執法還到現在都還沒完備所以這一塊我們希望海委會當然這個關主委本席對您是很肯定過去你跟我們是同事你也是非常非常積極那你現在在海委會所以這個海洋保育法"},{"start":415.046,"end":416.007,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海"},{"start":437.549,"end":461.954,"text":"我們海務法大修也是差不多一年才全部完。為什麼呢?因為這兩個法都有利害關係人之間的協調的問題。你到執法訂定的時候,那不就很慘了嗎?那什麼時候行政院可以頒布施行?我們希望分兩階段。第一階段半年內的話,我們希望明年初能夠有第一階段先讓我們走。"},{"start":463.354,"end":464.935,"text":"三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海"},{"start":491.437,"end":494.323,"text":"委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:43:44.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:43:47.041000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，本席有請管主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-27T10:43:48.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:43:48.146000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:43:53.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:43:53.873000+08:00","text":"徐召委好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:43:55.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:43:55.335000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:43:56.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:03.302000+08:00","text":"主委，首先本席想跟你請教我們海巡人力的需求是不是非常多，但是員額非常不足？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:03.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:03.983000+08:00","text":"我們有落差。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:04.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:05.084000+08:00","text":"落差多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:06.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:07.906000+08:00","text":"我們的落差，說實在的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:07.906000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:08.906000+08:00","text":"請簡答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:08.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:09.668000+08:00","text":"不過我有一個好消息……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:09.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:10.309000+08:00","text":"落差多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:10.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:14.873000+08:00","text":"我們大概有上千人的落差。1,272人。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:15.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:15.854000+08:00","text":"是，一千多人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:15.854000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:20.727458+08:00","text":"請問這1,272人……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:20.727458+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:25.600917+08:00","text":"但是我們最近有一個好消息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:25.600917+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:30.474375+08:00","text":"什麼好消息？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:30.474375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:35.347833+08:00","text":"請簡答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:35.347833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:40.221292+08:00","text":"我們有跟國防部協調，明年度開始義務役會支援我們。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:40.221292+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:45.094750+08:00","text":"本席有看到你們在計畫裡面提到平均一年大概補100到200人，但是你們缺了1,272人……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:45.094750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:49.968208+08:00","text":"不只、不只。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:49.968208+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:54.841667+08:00","text":"那大概多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:54.841667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:44:59.715125+08:00","text":"像我們今年就送了六百多人去受訓，今年我們就招募六百七十幾個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:44:59.715125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:45:04.588583+08:00","text":"等於今年招募了六百七十幾個，到明年就會減半囉？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:45:04.588583+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:45:09.462042+08:00","text":"現在是1,272……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:45:09.462042+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:45:14.335500+08:00","text":"不會、不會！","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:45:14.335500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:45:1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航得太誇張了。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:48:36.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:48:36.907000+08:00","text":"隨時給我們督促，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:48:37.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:48:43.751000+08:00","text":"再來，本席要請教你，海洋保育法是不是已經通過了？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:48:43.751000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:48:44.751000+08:00","text":"還沒，因為我們通過的是行政院定之，所以我們現在要把子法做到一定程度的時候，現在在積極地走……","quality":0.024},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:48:44.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:25.028000+08:00","text":"對，這就是重點，母法都已經在2月15日行政院通過草案，今年7月13日三讀通過，7月31日已經公布，可是行政院一直沒有施行，剛剛主委講子法遙遙無期，這個是很有問題的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:25.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:25.728000+08:00","text":"不會，有效率了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:25.728000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:26.728000+08:00","text":"你給出一個時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:26.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:30.349000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們已經有3個子法在公告了、在預告了。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:31.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:34.030000+08:00","text":"什麼時候整個海洋保育法可以上路？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:34.030000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:35.030000+08:00","text":"你預計什麼時候？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:34.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:41.571000+08:00","text":"我們希望半年有第一階段，分兩階段，半年有第一階段，然後一定要在一年之內全部讓它上路……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:41.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:42.091000+08:00","text":"所以還要再一年？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:42.091000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:43.091000+08:00","text":"不會，大概總共一年……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:42.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:43.191000+08:00","text":"本席在這裡做結論……","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:43.191000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:49:44.191000+08:00","text":"但是半年會有第一階段。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:49:43.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:09.109000+08:00","text":"過去國民黨執政的時候，母法在修的過程，子法也都同步準備好，母法一通過，子法依據母法有該微調、該修正的馬上修正，所以母法通過之後，應該子法也是很快速就可以通過，沒有像這種還要一年的。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:09.109000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:10.470000+08:00","text":"有，跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:10.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:18.115000+08:00","text":"除了海洋保育法，我們看到民進黨執政，連國土計畫法也一樣，母法通過了，子法到現在都還沒完備，所以這一塊我們希望海委會……管主委，本席對你是很肯定。謝謝。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:18.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:19.236000+08:00","text":"過去你跟我們是同事，你也是非常非常積極，你現在在海委會，海洋保育法那時候一直催促我們要趕快通過……","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:19.236000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:25.621500+08:00","text":"好，我會加快，我前天都還在開2個子法的會議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:25.621500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:32.007000+08:00","text":"結果我們趕快通過之後，子法這樣子遙遙無期，這點我們是不能接受的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:32.007000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:38.392500+08:00","text":"不會、不會，我知道委員很急，我也很急。","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:38.392500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:44.778000+08:00","text":"你說要快，結果剛剛聽你講還要一年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:44.778000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:51.163500+08:00","text":"那個是總共一年內一定要全部上路。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:51.163500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:50:57.549000+08:00","text":"什麼時候行政院會公布施行日期？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:50:57.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:01.830000+08:00","text":"我們海污法大修也是差不多一年才全部完成，為什麼呢？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:01.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:10.672000+08:00","text":"因為這兩個法都有利害關係人之間協調的問題，到子法訂定的時候那個「鋩角」就很深了，所以就有很多……","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:11.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:13.572000+08:00","text":"海洋保育法什麼時候行政院可以頒布施行？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:14.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:21.934000+08:00","text":"我們分兩階段，第一階段半年內的話，我們希望明年初能夠有第一階段，先讓我們走。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:21.934000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:25.267778+08:00","text":"然後還有第二階段？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:25.267778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:28.601556+08:00","text":"對，全部完成的時候，全部有18部子法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:28.601556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:31.935333+08:00","text":"所以我們要講的是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:31.935333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:35.269111+08:00","text":"子法已經有3部公告了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:35.269111+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:38.602889+08:00","text":"你們一直在催促通過我們母法，可是你們的子法動作太慢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:38.602889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:41.936667+08:00","text":"我們算滿快的，不過我知道委員很著急，謝謝，這也是給我們的督促。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:41.936667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:45.270444+08:00","text":"是大家很關注，既然大家這麼努力，立法院這麼努力讓母法通過，我們不希望子法一直看不到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:45.270444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:48.604222+08:00","text":"我們會加快腳步。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:48.604222+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:51.938000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:51.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:52.319000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:52.819000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:56.533286+08:00","text":"蘇清泉、蘇清泉，蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-27T10:51:56.833286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T10:51:59.119000+08:00","text":"我們請陳培瑜委員。","quality":0.25}]},"gazette":{"lineno":967,"blocks":[["徐委員欣瑩：（10時43分）謝謝主席，本席有請管主委。"],["主席：請主委。"],["管主任委員碧玲：徐召委好。"],["徐委員欣瑩：主委好。主委，首先本席想跟你請教我們海巡人力的需求是不是非常多，但是員額非常不足？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們有落差。"],["徐委員欣瑩：落差多少？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們的落差，說實在的……"],["徐委員欣瑩：請簡答。"],["管主任委員碧玲：不過我有一個好消息……"],["徐委員欣瑩：落差多少？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們大概有上千人的落差。"],["徐委員欣瑩：1,272人。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是，一千多人。"],["徐委員欣瑩：請問這1,272人……"],["管主任委員碧玲：但是我們最近有一個好消息。"],["徐委員欣瑩：什麼好消息？請簡答。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們有跟國防部協調，明年度開始義務役會支援我們。"],["徐委員欣瑩：本席有看到你們在計畫裡面提到平均一年大概補100到200人，但是你們缺了1,272人……"],["管主任委員碧玲：不只、不只。"],["徐委員欣瑩：那大概多少？"],["管主任委員碧玲：像我們今年就送了六百多人去受訓，今年我們就招募六百七十幾個。"],["徐委員欣瑩：等於今年招募了六百七十幾個，到明年就會減半囉？現在是1,272……"],["管主任委員碧玲：不會、不會！你是說缺額，是不是？"],["徐委員欣瑩：缺額。"],["管主任委員碧玲：因為會有多少離退不知道，但是我們今年招募六百多個，明年我們繼續招募以外，還有義務役來幫忙。"],["徐委員欣瑩：本席想瞭解，這個缺額是巡防人力缺得多，還是文官缺得多？"],["管主任委員碧玲：主要是岸巡，軍職的岸巡。"],["徐委員欣瑩：當然我們希望儘快補足人力，因為人少或不足，現有的人就比較吃力，我想大家都知道。"],["管主任委員碧玲：對，非常的辛苦，24小時在營區。"],["徐委員欣瑩：再來，關於海巡的工作，我看到你們在報告裡面有提到要健全機關組設，優化工作環境，有關無人機這一塊，我們國家隊已經試辦太久了，試辦了這麼多年還一直在試辦階段，這個我們看不下去。"],["管主任委員碧玲：原因是因為本來我們去年就有提出，從今年開始的400架無人機計畫……"],["徐委員欣瑩：沒關係！我沒有要問你，我只是告訴你……"],["管主任委員碧玲：但是行政院優先……"],["徐委員欣瑩：請暫停！我們一直試辦、一直試辦，你看人力缺乏，我們如果可以用無人機來取代監偵、執法以及救援……"],["管主任委員碧玲：委員說得很對。"],["徐委員欣瑩：這樣人力就可以減少，可是為什麼我們從106年的計畫，107年開始到108年買了20架，到後來我看到112年到114年又買了12架，你一直在試辦，現在國際上無人機非常地成熟，為什麼我們不採購？而且可以儘快讓無人機協助我們整個海岸的巡防，包括救援以及所有的偵防。誠如剛剛蘇巧慧委員講到的，其實我們如果可以用無人機偵防的話，大陸漁船怎麼進到我們的海域都可以馬上清楚瞭解，可是為什麼這麼多年了，這樣已經七、八年，你試辦要試辦到什麼時候？"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，試辦的年度當然就照那個試辦計畫執行，但是除此之外……"],["徐委員欣瑩：你這樣講得「落落長」，這樣不行，我想請問為什麼我們不用國際上已經成熟的無人機？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們有申請，但是去年行政院最後是核定讓國防部先走，明年度的案子我現在正在協調……"],["徐委員欣瑩：我們就是這樣，我們太多的國家隊……"],["管主任委員碧玲：我還有一個計畫……"],["徐委員欣瑩：國家隊我不反對，我可以成熟的買一架、兩架開始用，然後國家隊還在試辦階段，我買個10架，我們支持國家隊，但是整個海岸的巡防不能被耽誤。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們還是有需要，所以我現在已經提了一個新的計畫，最近一直在開會當中。"],["徐委員欣瑩：所以你認同嘛，我們希望儘快看到，因為無人機的執法效率高、執法成本低，又可以彌補海岸巡防人力的不足。"],["管主任委員碧玲：對，有必要。"],["徐委員欣瑩：所以這一塊本席希望能夠儘快。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝委員支持，是我們的力量。"],["徐委員欣瑩：這一點我也要跟召委反映，今天詢答完，我都沒辦法再提案了，提案提早結束，這個是有一點護航，護航得太誇張了。"],["管主任委員碧玲：隨時給我們督促，好不好？"],["徐委員欣瑩：再來，本席要請教你，海洋保育法是不是已經通過了？"],["管主任委員碧玲：還沒，因為我們通過的是行政院定之，所以我們現在要把子法做到一定程度的時候，現在在積極地走……"],["徐委員欣瑩：對，這就是重點，母法都已經在2月15日行政院通過草案，今年7月13日三讀通過，7月31日已經公布，可是行政院一直沒有施行，剛剛主委講子法遙遙無期，這個是很有問題的。"],["管主任委員碧玲：不會，有效率了。"],["徐委員欣瑩：你給出一個時間。"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，我們已經有3個子法在公告了、在預告了。"],["徐委員欣瑩：什麼時候整個海洋保育法可以上路？你預計什麼時候？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們希望半年有第一階段，分兩階段，半年有第一階段，然後一定要在一年之內全部讓它上路……"],["徐委員欣瑩：所以還要再一年？"],["管主任委員碧玲：不會，大概總共一年……"],["徐委員欣瑩：本席在這裡做結論……"],["管主任委員碧玲：但是半年會有第一階段。"],["徐委員欣瑩：過去國民黨執政的時候，母法在修的過程，子法也都同步準備好，母法一通過，子法依據母法有該微調、該修正的馬上修正，所以母法通過之後，應該子法也是很快速就可以通過，沒有像這種還要一年的。"],["管主任委員碧玲：有，跟委員報告……"],["徐委員欣瑩：除了海洋保育法，我們看到民進黨執政，連國土計畫法也一樣，母法通過了，子法到現在都還沒完備，所以這一塊我們希望海委會……管主委，本席對你是很肯定。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝。"],["徐委員欣瑩：過去你跟我們是同事，你也是非常非常積極，你現在在海委會，海洋保育法那時候一直催促我們要趕快通過……"],["管主任委員碧玲：好，我會加快，我前天都還在開2個子法的會議。"],["徐委員欣瑩：結果我們趕快通過之後，子法這樣子遙遙無期，這點我們是不能接受的。"],["管主任委員碧玲：不會、不會，我知道委員很急，我也很急。"],["徐委員欣瑩：你說要快，結果剛剛聽你講還要一年。"],["管主任委員碧玲：那個是總共一年內一定要全部上路。"],["徐委員欣瑩：什麼時候行政院會公布施行日期？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們海污法大修也是差不多一年才全部完成，為什麼呢？因為這兩個法都有利害關係人之間協調的問題，到子法訂定的時候那個「鋩角」就很深了，所以就有很多……"],["徐委員欣瑩：海洋保育法什麼時候行政院可以頒布施行？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們分兩階段，第一階段半年內的話，我們希望明年初能夠有第一階段，先讓我們走。"],["徐委員欣瑩：然後還有第二階段？"],["管主任委員碧玲：對，全部完成的時候，全部有18部子法。"],["徐委員欣瑩：所以我們要講的是……"],["管主任委員碧玲：子法已經有3部公告了。"],["徐委員欣瑩：你們一直在催促通過我們母法，可是你們的子法動作太慢。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們算滿快的，不過我知道委員很著急，謝謝，這也是給我們的督促。"],["徐委員欣瑩：是大家很關注，既然大家這麼努力，立法院這麼努力讓母法通過，我們不希望子法一直看不到。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們會加快腳步。"],["徐委員欣瑩：好，謝謝。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝委員。"],["主席：蘇清泉、蘇清泉，蘇清泉委員不在。","我們請陳培瑜委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":386,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-12","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","張智倫","王美惠","黃捷","牛煦庭","黃建賓","李柏毅","蘇巧慧","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","吳琪銘","羅智強","丁學忠","許宇甄","陳冠廷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310602","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310602_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中央政\n府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及\n所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬\n單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金─ 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