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改，所以就是華航短期沒有改名的計畫啦！不會。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:27.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T11:07:33.143000+08:00","text":"好，OK，那就可能就是大家在政論電視節目上各自表述。是。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:34.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T11:07:40.907000+08:00","text":"我再請教一下，其實明年年初的時候還會有一場棒球盛事，就是WBC經典賽的預賽，一樣在我們臺灣大巨蛋舉辦，請教一下，因為過去高鐵常常會配合一些大型活動給一些票價的優惠，對不對？","quality":0.304},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:40.907000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:07:46.538000+08:00","text":"加班車的部分有優惠這我就不太曉得。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:46.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:07:52.169000+08:00","text":"或者說我們會有一些套票的活動，跟觀光旅遊業者做套票的配合。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:52.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:07:57.800000+08:00","text":"這個有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:07:57.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T11:08:31.050000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有機會讓高鐵未來也跟……因為很多中南部的朋友，比賽一定在大巨蛋，有沒有機會讓高鐵公司跟到時候的主辦單位來做搭配，就是讓高鐵票和中華隊國際賽的門票做一個搭配，有沒有機會來做討論？","quality":0.447},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:08:31.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-27T11:08:37.717000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為高鐵公司上市櫃公司，他有他公司治理的層面，交通部其實是股東之一，這個部分委員的建議非常好，我可以來建議他們，因為這個在商業上面的操作來講，對他們也會有好處。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:08:38.217000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:08:40.502714+08:00","text":"對公司有正面形象。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:08:40.802714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:08:47.659857+08:00","text":"有正面形象，也會有好處，所以這個部分我們來跟他們建議。","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:08:47.959857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:08:59.388429+08:00","text":"是，那就麻煩部長，因為時間緊迫，是明年3、4月的事，要討論也是……是不是在今年底之前能夠有一個回應？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:08:59.688429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:09:05.974143+08:00","text":"好，這個部分我先來跟他們討論，請他們跟委員做回應。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2024-11-27T11:09:06.274143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:09:07.702714+08:00","text":"好，麻煩，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-11-27T11:09:08.002714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:09:09.145571+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-27T11:09:09.445571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:09:11.445571+08:00","text":"謝謝廖先翔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-27T11:09:11.745571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-27T11:09:14.888429+08:00","text":"接下來邀請游顥委員發言。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":481,"blocks":[["廖委員先翔：（11時）謝謝主席，一樣麻煩邀請陳部長還有桃機公司。"],["主席：請陳部長還有桃機總經理，謝謝。"],["廖委員先翔：部長，其實我的觀念跟黃健豪委員比較相似，當然就是單純的批評采盟或怎樣，其實大家罵了很爽，但沒有針對制度流程去做後續的改善的話，下次可能還是會發生。我想請教一下，這次接機我們本來就知道了嘛！對不對？包括總統府也都有發出訊息，想確認一下管制內跟管制外簡單的分工到底是怎麼樣？"],["陳部長世凱：是不是我請桃機公司？"],["范總經理孝倫：我想跟委員報告，因為管制基本上我們是從動線來分，所有的中華隊從登機門下來以後，逐步在登機長廊一路經過各個關卡到管制區外，在管制區內會經過我們規劃的拍照區、沿路的歡迎區，然後到證照查驗，再到行李大廳提取行李，經過海關之後，再到管制區外的記者受訪區，有完整的一個……"],["廖委員先翔：所以原則上路線大概是你們規劃，然後路線上面哪一個點可以幹嘛，桃機公司有提出這樣的規劃嘛！"],["范總經理孝倫：是，我們會跟相關單位討論。"],["廖委員先翔：我確認一下，在接機之前有哪一些單位有正式的函桃機公司或者致電桃機公司？我知道體育署一定會有，或是總統府應該也會有正式的發函或者是來電告知他們要來接機，需要你們配合，有哪些單位有正式的發函或告知？"],["范總經理孝倫：正式發函是有體育署，它是轉職棒聯盟的需求，我們就配……因為主要是在管制區外的記者招待以及球員的動線，那在管制區內的話……"],["廖委員先翔：所以體育署原則上是管制區外的動線規劃？"],["范總經理孝倫：對，在管制區內的部分的話，我們有相關單位，包含海關、CIQS各單位都會來協助配合，用最快的方式，甚至包含航空公司在行李的配送等等，都會來充分的協助。至於我們在長廊裡面，因為有免稅店的設置，所以免稅店等於是夾道歡迎這樣的作用。"],["廖委員先翔：所以安排蕭美琴副總統在那個地點來迎接國手回來，這個點是誰決定的？"],["范總經理孝倫：這個部分是跟國安局特勤，大家有場勘過以後……"],["廖委員先翔：是國安局建議還是你們建議的？"],["范總經理孝倫：就是共同一起去看了這個場地以後的安排。"],["廖委員先翔：所以是你們桃機公司跟國安局共同決定，讓我們蕭美琴副總統在那邊迎接大家？"],["范總經理孝倫：我想這個要跟委員報告，其實慣例上我們的場域空間就是固定是這樣子，如果高級長官要出訪或者是回來，對於相關的動線怎麼去安排，我們都會有國安局……"],["廖委員先翔：國安局都會介入嘛！"],["范總經理孝倫：對，會來跟我們一起來場勘……"],["廖委員先翔：也是會提出一些建議嘛！"],["范總經理孝倫：保安的部分還有航警等等，各單位會一起來看這個動線空間，然後去做適當的安排跟規劃。"],["廖委員先翔：那有沒有任何一個單位有對采盟或是裡面其他的免稅商店提出要求，希望他們派員來夾道歡迎，有沒有任何一個單位提出這樣的需求？"],["范總經理孝倫：這一點要跟委員報告，因為采盟免稅店業者是桃機機場公司的廠商，比如說過去的奧運模式等等，我們都希望我們的選手出國或者回國的時候，在機場裡面能夠感受到我們熱情的支持，所以的確我們會跟免稅店業者商量，就是會有一個適當的區域讓它來……"],["廖委員先翔：所以是桃機公司邀請這些免稅商店嘛？"],["范總經理孝倫：是，我們會跟他們做這方面的討論。"],["廖委員先翔：所以這個鍋背的也不算委屈啦！人畢竟還是你們叫來的，只是說你們當初可能有告知他們就在哪一邊，可能不要穿越這邊，但是他們可能沒有遵守桃機公司當初的規則，然後現場的維安人員也沒有去阻止，才產生了那一天「黃巾之亂」這樣的慘案，過程應該是這樣子嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，確實當時采盟公司沒有依照原本跟桃機公司所律定的那個範圍及區域去歡迎跟加油，他們自己未經同意闖進來拍照，也未經同意拉了那個廣告布條，這些都是不被允許的，但他們都做了。"],["廖委員先翔：未來不會就這一次，希望未來有許多大家歡迎國手凱旋歸國的一些場合，我們就希望這一次的借鏡，大家都記取教訓，所有單位絕對不只我們桃機公司，絕對還有國安單位或者是體育署相關單位，大家都記取這次教訓，把相關一些的部分要做得更嚴謹，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["廖委員先翔：另外，在這一次中華隊奪冠之後，其實應該是全國舉國歡騰，但是過去常常在吵的國家意識型態問題，好像在奪冠之後也產生了政治上面的一些紛爭，包括新進來立法院的同事——王義川委員，應該跟您也非常熟識，他之前有相關的言論說他看到中華隊就「賭爛」，當然中華隊的名稱要怎麼參賽，這跟交通部沒有關係，但是他應該不是「賭爛」中華隊，他應該是「賭爛」中華兩個字，可以這樣子理解，不要去給他過度延伸。","所以我要問部長，在您就任了之後，我相信有許多政治光譜跟你比較接近的人，可能對中華這兩個字也都很不滿，我想確認一下，在您就任之後，有沒有任何的委員或任何人跟你提過要繼續推動中華航空公司改名？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，到目前為止沒有做過這方面的討論，也沒有任何委員跟我提這件事。"],["廖委員先翔：可是王義川很「賭爛」，很多人都說要講臺灣，不要講中華。"],["陳部長世凱：沒有委員跟我提過這件事。"],["廖委員先翔：所以就是可能大家喊一喊，但是實際上沒有要求你來做改名？"],["陳部長世凱：沒有、沒有。"],["廖委員先翔：所以中華航空在短期內沒有改名的計畫？"],["陳部長世凱：現在都沒有做這樣的討論。"],["廖委員先翔：沒有做任何的討論嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：所以不會有這樣的計畫，目前沒有這樣的計畫。"],["廖委員先翔：因為我知道其實臺灣航空這個名字，好像也被人家註冊走了，其實華航是沒有機會改，所以就是華航短期沒有改名的計畫啦！"],["陳部長世凱：不會。"],["廖委員先翔：好，OK，那就可能就是大家在政論電視節目上各自表述。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["廖委員先翔：我再請教一下，其實明年年初的時候還會有一場棒球盛事，就是WBC經典賽的預賽，一樣在我們臺灣大巨蛋舉辦，請教一下，因為過去高鐵常常會配合一些大型活動給一些票價的優惠，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：加班車的部分有優惠這我就不太曉得。"],["廖委員先翔：或者說我們會有一些套票的活動，跟觀光旅遊業者做套票的配合。"],["陳部長世凱：這個有。"],["廖委員先翔：我們有沒有機會讓高鐵未來也跟……因為很多中南部的朋友，比賽一定在大巨蛋，有沒有機會讓高鐵公司跟到時候的主辦單位來做搭配，就是讓高鐵票和中華隊國際賽的門票做一個搭配，有沒有機會來做討論？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，因為高鐵公司上市櫃公司，他有他公司治理的層面，交通部其實是股東之一，這個部分委員的建議非常好，我可以來建議他們，因為這個在商業上面的操作來講，對他們也會有好處。"],["廖委員先翔：對公司有正面形象。"],["陳部長世凱：有正面形象，也會有好處，所以這個部分我們來跟他們建議。"],["廖委員先翔：是，那就麻煩部長，因為時間緊迫，是明年3、4月的事，要討論也是……是不是在今年底之前能夠有一個回應？"],["陳部長世凱：好，這個部分我先來跟他們討論，請他們跟委員做回應。"],["廖委員先翔：好，麻煩，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝廖先翔委員。接下來邀請游顥委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":390,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-11","speakers":["陳素月","林沛祥","林俊憲","林國成","許智傑","何欣純","黃健豪","廖先翔","游顥","徐富癸","蔡其昌","邱若華","魯明哲","陳培瑜","黃國昌","麥玉珍","李昆澤","吳宗憲","楊瓊瓔","涂權吉","葉元之","陳雪生","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","洪孟楷","陳冠廷","林月琴","陳俊宇","林倩綺","王鴻薇","羅智強","張雅琳"],"page_start":309,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310501_00011"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算；二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關\n於交通部中央氣象署單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單\n位預算；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業\n基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310501_00013"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}