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討，這是你們自己寫的，不是我講的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T10:58:48.347000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:58:49.347500+08:00","text":"好啦、好啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:58:49.347500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:58:50.348000+08:00","text":"對，今年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T10:58:50.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T10:58:51.388000+08:00","text":"我們檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:58:51.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:05.635000+08:00","text":"不是，這是你們自己寫說你們被檢討，然後再來就是第三點，8月份的時候有安排一個主管共識營，安排訓練，可是我只是覺得很奇怪的一點，因為你們的要點是11月二十幾號才訂定出來，這個要點應該是看到勞動部的事情所以把它定出來，可是8月的時候就開了一個主管的共識營……","quality":0.628},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:05.635000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:12.842750+08:00","text":"就代表我們有重視。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:12.842750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:20.050500+08:00","text":"可是沒有具體，所以可能就宣示性的共識營，大家吃個晚餐，然後唱個歌，共識一下，共識營我也有參加過，可是因為你的要點都還沒出來，你要共識什麼？","quality":0.033},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:20.050500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:27.258250+08:00","text":"所以11月的時候，我們看一下11月……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:27.258250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:34.466000+08:00","text":"我們是不斷在宣導，跟主管宣導。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:34.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:52.744000+08:00","text":"對，所以你們11月要點出來，我們來看一下你們的要點，你們對於職場霸凌有一個定義，就是說他是要利用職務的關係，然後長期持續性的冒犯、威脅、冷落、孤立、侮辱，然後有不合理的對待跟不公平的處置。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:52.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T10:59:57.620600+08:00","text":"所以之後如果國科會裡面有員工覺得被霸凌了，到時候就會根據這個職場霸凌的定義來判定他到底是有沒有被霸凌，是嗎？","quality":0.275},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T10:59:57.620600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:02.497200+08:00","text":"這個定義，當然我們會組委員會由他們來認定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:02.497200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:07.373800+08:00","text":"由他們來認定？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:07.373800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:12.250400+08:00","text":"調查認定。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:12.250400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:17.127000+08:00","text":"因為現在這個定義寫得比較抽象。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:17.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:20.429000+08:00","text":"這個是我們行政院人事行政總處訂定的辦法。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:21.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:34.040000+08:00","text":"到時候還是會根據個案來衡量啦，因為其實我們最近也有接到很多民眾在公家機關服務，他覺得被霸凌，譬如他覺得被針對，長官希望他換工作等等。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:34.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:41.205000+08:00","text":"但是因為他的個人主觀認知，到底是不是真的有被霸凌，我覺得應該要訂定一個很明確的規範出來啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:41.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:42.205000+08:00","text":"可是有時候很主觀，不太容易認定，所以我們會依照個案請專家，當然外部專家也會幫忙處理。","quality":0.026},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:42.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:43.205000+08:00","text":"OK，希望主委可以重視這個事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:43.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:44.205000+08:00","text":"好，我會重視，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:44.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:45.205000+08:00","text":"接下來，我想跟主委請教一下，因為主委本身，我們也都了解你是臺南巨人少棒隊第一代的投手，對吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:45.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:46.205000+08:00","text":"第一代投手，那時候有拿到世界冠軍嘛！是。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:46.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:47.205000+08:00","text":"非常厲害喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:47.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:48.205000+08:00","text":"剛好你現在這個位置也可以幫棒球做一些事情，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:48.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:00:49.205000+08:00","text":"是，非常樂意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:00:45.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:01:31.528000+08:00","text":"因為你現在有一個精準運動科學研究專案計畫，第一期計畫裡面有一個電子好球帶的……我們這一次中華隊拿到世界棒球冠軍，很多人講這跟我們情蒐做得好很有關係嘛！","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:01:32.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:01:33.771000+08:00","text":"然後運動科學也有導入嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:01:35.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:01:42.802000+08:00","text":"主委，以你自己之前打棒球世界賽的經驗，你覺得這個電子好球帶可以幫助我們球員哪些方面？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:01:42.802000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-28T11:04:19.878400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:25.330600+08:00","text":"今年在實驗室已經做出來了，他們正在測試當中。","quality":0.05},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:25.330600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:30.782800+08:00","text":"除了這個投球模擬之外，還有什麼新的？","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:30.782800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:36.235000+08:00","text":"還有我們也資助很多新創的團隊，透過攝影機還有發球機在做選手的資料分析，投球打擊都有，這種資料分析現在是非常重要的，這是情蒐過程當中最重要的一環，就是做資料分析。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:36.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:38.397000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在也有補助這個項目在研發當中？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:38.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:39.057000+08:00","text":"我們也補助這種項目。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:39.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:42.781000+08:00","text":"也趕得上經典賽嘛？你說？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:44.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:47.084000+08:00","text":"我說其實是有雛形嘛，之後什麼時候會確定？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:47.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:51.248000+08:00","text":"其實現在都已經在用了，我們那個職棒的球團……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:51.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:04:55.571000+08:00","text":"我現在講的是你們第二期專案計畫準備要研發的項目。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:04:56.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:07.318000+08:00","text":"特別學術研發，將來還要結合產業發展，學術研發的項目到產業發展其實還有一段路啦，但是我們培養的人才……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:05:07.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:18.162000+08:00","text":"主委，我是這樣建議啦，我覺得很難得，因為你自己有世界棒球賽經驗，然後現在在當國科會主委，剛好我們現在非常重視運動科學，應該以你個人從事棒球的經驗，然後去跟那些研發團隊討論一下，其實有的時候，不見得是別人來申請，你們補助嘛，你也可以主動出擊啊，針對特定項目去找大家來做研究，來補助。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-11-28T11:05:18.662000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:23.233429+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，這個很好，我會努力做這個事。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2024-11-28T11:05:23.533429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:24.533429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-28T11:05:24.833429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:28.262000+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員，主委請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-11-28T11:05:28.562000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-11-28T11:05:39.704857+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請吳春城委員質詢，吳春城委員質詢完畢之後，我們就來處理臨時提案，只有一案。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":562,"blocks":[["葉委員元之：（10時56分）麻煩請國科會主委，謝謝。"],["主席：好，吳主委，謝謝。"],["吳主任委員誠文：葉委員好。"],["葉委員元之：主委好。因為大家最近都很關心霸凌，當然我們辦公室也有去跟國科會了解一下霸凌的狀況，國科會後來有回給我們一個文，這個文有一些部分我不是太清楚，所以利用這個機會來跟主委詢問一下。第一個，在你們的回文裡面有提到，113年經檢討本會，就是指國科會，應該訂定防治專屬規定，強化員工保護。國科會是被檢討什麼？是以前都沒有在反霸凌，然後被誰檢討所以要反霸凌？"],["吳主任委員誠文：不是沒有反霸凌，是過去沒有完整的辦法。"],["葉委員元之：被誰檢討？因為你們是說上半年就開始研議，可見它並不是因為勞動部這個事件的關係。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是依人事行政總處。"],["葉委員元之：人事行政總處覺得國科會在這方面做得不好是不是？"],["吳主任委員誠文：人事行政總處在108年其實是已經有函頒一個職場霸凌處理的SOP規範，我們都是依照那個規範……"],["葉委員元之：為什麼113年上半年才開始？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們其實上半年……那時候我還沒有接到。"],["葉委員元之：我知道。"],["吳主任委員誠文：應該也是接到行政院的命令開始要制定。"],["葉委員元之：所以人事總處108年定了一個辦法出來，但國科會過去5年都沒有任何動作，然後到了113年的上半年被檢討，所以就開始研議，要訂定一個反霸凌的申訴要點，是這樣嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：不是沒有動作，是那時候就依行政人事行政總處的SOP。"],["葉委員元之：對啦！"],["吳主任委員誠文：現在比較嚴謹的辦法已經定出來公告。"],["葉委員元之：我知道，所以其實，主委，從國科會給我的資料可以證明一件事情，您上任之前，那時候國科會對霸凌這件事情不重視，所以才會被檢討，這是你們給我的資料。"],["吳主任委員誠文：不是不重視，可能是過去沒有多……"],["葉委員元之：就沒有很重視，不是不重視，就是沒有很重視，不要玩文字遊戲。所以上半年就開始研議，看得出來不是因為勞動部的關係，是因為長期沒有很重視，所以上半年被檢討有開始研議，然後11月就訂定了你們的職場霸凌的申訴跟處理要點……"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們過去是依照那個申訴還有行政院的SOP做。"],["葉委員元之：但是有被檢討，這是你們自己寫的，不是我講的。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好啦、好啦！"],["葉委員元之：對，今年……"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們檢討。"],["葉委員元之：不是，這是你們自己寫說你們被檢討，然後再來就是第三點，8月份的時候有安排一個主管共識營，安排訓練，可是我只是覺得很奇怪的一點，因為你們的要點是11月二十幾號才訂定出來，這個要點應該是看到勞動部的事情所以把它定出來，可是8月的時候就開了一個主管的共識營……"],["吳主任委員誠文：就代表我們有重視。"],["葉委員元之：可是沒有具體，所以可能就宣示性的共識營，大家吃個晚餐，然後唱個歌，共識一下，共識營我也有參加過，可是因為你的要點都還沒出來，你要共識什麼？所以11月的時候，我們看一下11月……"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們是不斷在宣導，跟主管宣導。"],["葉委員元之：對，所以你們11月要點出來，我們來看一下你們的要點，你們對於職場霸凌有一個定義，就是說他是要利用職務的關係，然後長期持續性的冒犯、威脅、冷落、孤立、侮辱，然後有不合理的對待跟不公平的處置。所以之後如果國科會裡面有員工覺得被霸凌了，到時候就會根據這個職場霸凌的定義來判定他到底是有沒有被霸凌，是嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這個定義，當然我們會組委員會由他們來認定。"],["葉委員元之：由他們來認定？"],["吳主任委員誠文：調查認定。"],["葉委員元之：因為現在這個定義寫得比較抽象。"],["吳主任委員誠文：這個是我們行政院人事行政總處訂定的辦法。"],["葉委員元之：到時候還是會根據個案來衡量啦，因為其實我們最近也有接到很多民眾在公家機關服務，他覺得被霸凌，譬如他覺得被針對，長官希望他換工作等等。但是因為他的個人主觀認知，到底是不是真的有被霸凌，我覺得應該要訂定一個很明確的規範出來啦！"],["吳主任委員誠文：可是有時候很主觀，不太容易認定，所以我們會依照個案請專家，當然外部專家也會幫忙處理。"],["葉委員元之：OK，希望主委可以重視這個事情。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，我會重視，謝謝委員。"],["葉委員元之：接下來，我想跟主委請教一下，因為主委本身，我們也都了解你是臺南巨人少棒隊第一代的投手，對吧？第一代投手，那時候有拿到世界冠軍嘛！"],["吳主任委員誠文：是。"],["葉委員元之：非常厲害喔！剛好你現在這個位置也可以幫棒球做一些事情，對不對？"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，非常樂意。"],["葉委員元之：因為你現在有一個精準運動科學研究專案計畫，第一期計畫裡面有一個電子好球帶的……我們這一次中華隊拿到世界棒球冠軍，很多人講這跟我們情蒐做得好很有關係嘛！然後運動科學也有導入嘛！主委，以你自己之前打棒球世界賽的經驗，你覺得這個電子好球帶可以幫助我們球員哪些方面？"],["吳主任委員誠文：電子好球帶其實是來輔助裁判好壞球的判決，也可以讓投手了解他投的這個球到底是進到好球帶的哪個區位，所以這是輔助性的，特別是在比賽的時候維持它的公正性，有這個作用，也讓觀賞比賽的觀眾能夠了解投手投的這個球落在哪個點，增加這個……"],["葉委員元之：也可以幫忙情蒐嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：也可以幫忙情蒐，就是投手在一場比賽裡面，他投球的分布，球種是要看軌跡啦，不是只有好球帶，還有他進到好球帶的比例，哪個方位的比例，這個對於攻擊方來講是一個很重要的資訊。"],["葉委員元之：你那個時候沒有這個東西嗎？當投手的時候。"],["吳主任委員誠文：那時候沒有，那是五十幾年。"],["葉委員元之：如果那時候你有這個的話，你會覺得你投得更好嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：應該會有幫助啊！在防止對手攻擊會很有幫助。"],["葉委員元之：因為現在第二期的專案是在112年到115年，也是補助12個研究團隊，裡面也剛好有棒球，可不可以透露一下，現在國科會補助的項目是以哪些項目？棒球的部分。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們其實沒有限制運動項目，但是因為棒球是臺灣國球，所以很多學者想要做棒球研究。"],["葉委員元之：因為你們的已經涵蓋了棒球，我時間有限，我是針對棒球在問。"],["吳主任委員誠文：棒球包含發展好球帶，好球帶那個還會繼續，因為電子好球帶其實是常常會有誤差啦！另外一個就是投球機的智慧化，這個也在發展當中。"],["葉委員元之：智慧化可以怎麼樣？"],["吳主任委員誠文：智慧化的意思就是說我可以讓投球機模擬對手投手的球路，這個是很困難的事情，我們也在發展當中。"],["葉委員元之：所以什麼時候可以研發出來？經典賽之前有可能嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：已經有雛形了，還沒有那麼準確，但是希望明年啦！"],["葉委員元之：你有去看過嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我有看過。"],["葉委員元之：你有看過，那是怎麼樣？比如說可以模仿互相投球的球路，然後……"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們要情蒐他……"],["葉委員元之：你是去設定它？"],["吳主任委員誠文：可以設定。"],["葉委員元之：設定這個人是誰，然後它投出來就很像，包括配球還有球路都很像？"],["吳主任委員誠文：可以很像，希望目標是這樣，明年應該雛形可以展示啦！"],["葉委員元之：明年雛形可以展示，趕得上經典賽嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：今年在實驗室已經做出來了，他們正在測試當中。"],["葉委員元之：除了這個投球模擬之外，還有什麼新的？"],["吳主任委員誠文：還有我們也資助很多新創的團隊，透過攝影機還有發球機在做選手的資料分析，投球打擊都有，這種資料分析現在是非常重要的，這是情蒐過程當中最重要的一環，就是做資料分析。"],["葉委員元之：所以你們現在也有補助這個項目在研發當中？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們也補助這種項目。"],["葉委員元之：也趕得上經典賽嘛？"],["吳主任委員誠文：你說？"],["葉委員元之：我說其實是有雛形嘛，之後什麼時候會確定？"],["吳主任委員誠文：其實現在都已經在用了，我們那個職棒的球團……"],["葉委員元之：我現在講的是你們第二期專案計畫準備要研發的項目。"],["吳主任委員誠文：特別學術研發，將來還要結合產業發展，學術研發的項目到產業發展其實還有一段路啦，但是我們培養的人才……"],["葉委員元之：主委，我是這樣建議啦，我覺得很難得，因為你自己有世界棒球賽經驗，然後現在在當國科會主委，剛好我們現在非常重視運動科學，應該以你個人從事棒球的經驗，然後去跟那些研發團隊討論一下，其實有的時候，不見得是別人來申請，你們補助嘛，你也可以主動出擊啊，針對特定項目去找大家來做研究，來補助。"],["吳主任委員誠文：謝謝委員，這個很好，我會努力做這個事。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝葉元之委員，主委請回座。","接下來我們有請吳春城委員質詢，吳春城委員質詢完畢之後，我們就來處理臨時提案，只有一案。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":284,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-10","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","林倩綺","陳培瑜","陳秀寳","張雅琳","葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","吳沛憶","郭昱晴","葉元之","吳春城","林宜瑾","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":241,"meetingDate":["2024-11-28"],"gazette_id":"11310803","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310803_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院主管行政院國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、審查\n114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會主管科學園區管理局作業基金附屬單位預\n算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家災害防救科技中心預算案；五、審查114年度行政法人國家\n太空中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310803_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}