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謝謝謝謝"},{"start":4289.96,"end":4291.181,"text":"王美玲議員史哲列席報告"},{"start":4310.288,"end":4321.118,"text":"委員好 部長早我們看到112年我們的文化禮金整個總消費的金額是8億3403萬那其中在六都那就是6億9083萬大概佔比82%我們再看到今年到現在為止113年那我們總計消費5億1241萬而六都呢依然佔了4億3205萬"},{"start":4336.271,"end":4338.253,"text":"二、處理或審查新聞報告業務概況：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。二、處理或審查新聞報告業務解凍案。"},{"start":4357.828,"end":4377.806,"text":"市長,您剛剛提的這個數字是指說它最終消費的地點可是以每個縣市的使用金額跟使用率來講事實上是相當其一並沒有因為六都跟非六都它的使用率不同只是說畢竟都會區能夠提供的藝文消費點比較多所以它可能會跨縣市"},{"start":4378.606,"end":4405.28,"text":"這個分兩個面向講一個是我們希望讓消費者養成這樣文化消費的習慣嘛第二個我們也希望是提振或振興相關文化的產業嘛所以這分兩個部分嘛所以大家本心認為說我們大部分的人都有去使用這件事情是非常好的但怎麼樣讓這個城鄉上面能夠在文化產業的發展上面我們也可以藉由消費上面可以讓它更齊平等一點我覺得當然現在有很多的產業它集中在六都這是不爭的但是呢"},{"start":4405.62,"end":4408.583,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長"},{"start":4423.175,"end":4440.672,"text":"另外我們也看到有一些部分的店家去冒用藝文消費點的收款碼去接受民眾的換現這件事情甚至於社群平台上面也有很多的轉售我們都可以看得到這個是真的是亂象所以大家都說這是文化壁之亂"},{"start":4442.533,"end":4469.519,"text":"還沒有看到文化幣的這個成果大家就有相當的印象但是文化幣之亂大家印象非常的深刻目前整個關於這樣的一個案件查獲的情況是如何剛剛也有跟這個委員報告我們總共這個對帳戶的部分事實上鎖定的是605那事實上這個移送的也有達到29家的藝文消費點被我們停權事實上我們現在在後台的監控非常的嚴密"},{"start":4470.639,"end":4484.315,"text":"我這個部長我到底有一個意見啦當然本期早上有聽人在講喔應該這樣講喔你這個29家移送啦然後什麼財貨18家轉售阿等等阿齁我相信喔這是這個整個文化幣之亂裡面的一小角齁"},{"start":4485.676,"end":4501.613,"text":"為什麼?你看昨天晚上到今天本席本人以及我們辦公室的助理隨便只要在臉書上搜尋文化幣買賣馬上就跳出來了對不對有各種不一樣的條件可以去收購你的文化幣有各種不一樣的方式面交的也好這個匯款的也好"},{"start":4503.595,"end":4530.623,"text":"有很多方式讓你既便利又快速然後就可以達到這樣子違法的交易所以我想您剛剛說的比如說我們說在後台我們嚴密的監控那等我們監控到的時候其實我們就是發現這些帳戶是有問題的可是為什麼發現這些帳戶有問題就因為它前端做了不應該做的事情所以我在想這個在它完成了違法交易的量大之後你才監控到它以及前端的查緝我覺得這個時間點上是有一個落差的那所以呢我們認為其實本期認為"},{"start":4531.983,"end":4549.78,"text":"你是不是應該要去想一想就是說我們有什麼方式可以在前端的時候我們可以來遏止這樣的一個現象所以看起來文化部不是不知道這樣的一個亂象那到底是沒有人力可以去查還是沒有能力可以去查還是你覺得其實這個無法可查"},{"start":4550.931,"end":4564.624,"text":"我想並不會是您講的狀況啦我們事實上不但有查而且我們一直經濟我們的系統事實上目前為止但是部長我想不然您現在我給你一個時間你自己Google你自己去那個臉書你只要打文化幣買賣看看現在跳出來是什麼馬上就可以賣啦是啦"},{"start":4570.569,"end":4597.139,"text":"那也就是說打開就可以看得到那這叫做查緝有成果嗎?問委員報告啦在網路上有宣稱可以買賣文化部表示他賣得掉啦也不會表示他買得到我們部長我們不要這樣去想說啊要許賣不掉一些他出來開玩笑不是這樣啦所以我想我們提出這個就是希望能夠正視這樣的一個問題喔就是說您有沒有很積極的去平台要求像這樣的一個社團去下架我們有沒有作為我先講不講成果成效您有沒有作為"},{"start":4597.939,"end":4620.213,"text":"當然有作為我一直在講說我們的系統一直不斷的精進我們今天剛剛所移送的數字等等以及網路的監控這都是我們的作為事實上我想從預放券到文化幣它確實是一個從消費端轉移到使用端的過程在預放券的階段其實是以振興為主鼓勵消費為主所以它的傾向上的寬容度是"},{"start":4620.733,"end":4641.654,"text":"我想我們回到主題來了就是說今天沒有人說你毫無作為今天我們的說法是說當發生了這樣的一個狀況這個亂象但我們現在是沒有辦法有效遏止這是兩件事那我們要面對這樣的問題才知道說怎麼能夠把這個事情做得更好所以本身是希望說你們會後也能去想一想"},{"start":4642.034,"end":4642.094,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":4657.995,"end":4658.075,"text":"主席"},{"start":4674.525,"end":4692.495,"text":"同意 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share同樣的地址跟電話部長針對這樣的弊端文化部積極的作為是什麼"},{"start":5348.09,"end":5352.377,"text":"公務預算有關於所謂的100億的公務預算指的是公務預算執行這30年來的總金額我先從110年開始來提已經有被監察院做這個決定你們的積極做法是"},{"start":5362.932,"end":5368.415,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。"},{"start":5385.285,"end":5413.473,"text":"你們預告你們現在還在積極修法但是部長我還是必須要忍不住要告訴你你們第一場的你們絕對要來開始積極作為可是你們第一場的座談會裡面你們邀請的五位與會的人物只有一個人沒有擔任公共藝術的代辦其他四位都是有這到底是巧合還是故意就是我不斷地所提到的嘛這個東西來說的話你們第一場的你們為了要做這樣的一個修法然後請的人還是都是有跟這個代辦公司有關的"},{"start":5414.52,"end":5421.046,"text":"委員你這樣講這正好代表說我們代辦也諮詢做公共藝術也諮詢藝術家也諮詢對不起我們還在看下一頁什麼叫代辦也諮詢我剛剛已經提出這麼多的一些所謂代辦跟這個評委跟藝術家彼此之間共生的一個團體這是我要特別提到的代辦"},{"start":5432.076,"end":5432.396,"text":"三角對架關係我問"},{"start":5452.106,"end":5460.711,"text":"當他這種事情現象發生的時候文化部的積極的作為你告訴我說你們辦了13場的這樣子的一個所謂的公聽會或是這個評議會可是裡面大家都還是認為應該持續用代辦公司的因為他們本身的背景裡面就是這個樣子我只問這部分最大部分就是你讓其他的藝術家沒有辦法得其門而入這是本席今天所強化的重點"},{"start":5477.22,"end":5485.804,"text":"但是我跟委員報告諮詢代辦並不是任何違法而且不適當的作為因為代辦是過去法規當中合法的制度我完全同意只是你這個共生的團體你這個比例到這麼高而且你比例到這麼高的狀況之下面會產生這個共生團體讓很多的藝術家不得其門入我還是再一次的強調而且我告訴大家交通部8乘3適用代辦"},{"start":5501.391,"end":5501.911,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二天一次會議"},{"start":5518.51,"end":5538.125,"text":"跟委員報告我想代辦這個詞以及您講的這個共生關係確實讓大家對代辦有非常多的疑慮這個我承認不過公務藝術它有它的複雜度就跟我們建築工程必須要有專案管理公司要有PCM一樣我只告訴你它背後的背景是怎麼樣錯綜複雜球員兼裁判兼什麼這已經讓所有的藝術家認為你當初的美意"},{"start":5540.507,"end":5548.87,"text":"沒有辦法達成所以我要請文化部不要像是監察院所已經告訴你們的發生事情的時候不要說沒有查無實證這不是文化部該有的負責的態度只是提醒部長這件事情要嚴正的對待"},{"start":5554.48,"end":5578.308,"text":"所以我們在這一次預告的這個修法當中事實上對於代辦的制度也改變了好,我就來看看你的修法的部分是怎麼樣但是不要犯了上次第一場座談會當中五位裡面就還是不斷的在這個層面那就是第一場,我也不認為那是一個錯誤我認為那是一個對的事情,謝謝我還是要告訴你五個裡面有四個都是屬於這樣的層面來說當然是第一場嘛,第一場我只告訴你總共有16場嘛好嘛,我就告訴你第一場你曾經犯過這樣的狀況嘛好不好那沒什麼就是徵序代辦啊"},{"start":5582.79,"end":5590.376,"text":"不是嘛你這五個裡面具有這樣的背景這就不符合這樣的邏輯而且他們本身有一個很大的共生這是我本身提出來的接下來有關於我們所提到的文化幣的這個層面不是我們提到的公共的這個電子閱讀我想我給你一個肯定因為前面一頁"},{"start":5600.023,"end":5601.104,"text":"從數據上來看,從實施之後事實上使用電子借閱的成長是3倍啦。"},{"start":5623.844,"end":5629.532,"text":"三倍的錢都是文化部出的我們並不影響縣市政府的財源從這個數據上來講我認為是我肯定因為他是一個趨勢這完全沒有問題而且你今天在報告當中說你也認為跟21個縣市來共同合作"},{"start":5639.165,"end":5667.588,"text":"這沒有問題但是呢我們也看得出前面有跟四家廠商來做這樣的一個處理但是我還是要讓部長了解一下你前面兩個廠商其實成效不錯大概跟16個跟19個縣市都有這樣子一個合作當你宣稱是跟這麼多縣市全國各縣市的時候剩下青春的兩家對不起他們大概就只有六家到只有六七個縣市裡面有跟前面兩個部分來說其實成效是有差別的"},{"start":5668.248,"end":5672.511,"text":"對,所以你怎麼解決?那文化部就要協助人家你就要去告訴人家縣市政府嘛你就要發函嘛你要發公文嘛協助人家嘛你不能只做一半嘛,對不對?"},{"start":5698.528,"end":5702.973,"text":"我只是舉出這四家裡面的這個有點不平均然後你應該去做公函目前為止很多縣市基本上還是沒有收到文化部的一個公函你應該盡量的協助"},{"start":5713.883,"end":5738.436,"text":"好,剩下我有限的時間我還是要來說一下文化幣每天都提到文化幣一些好的或優點或是什麼值得我只要告訴你為同樣你出身的高雄的某家書店來請命因為他們認為他們也好好的使用這個文化幣要來防幣但是你應該去抓文化幣買賣但是有一些的廠商他們是獨立書店他們是在配合啊只不過是那一次交易量突然暴增然後他就被停權了停權之後他們要申訴部長"},{"start":5741.497,"end":5767.443,"text":"真的從1月25日我把所有的事件我花了時間把它調列出來你看看你到底是在整人還是在官僚還是這個效率到3月21號這樣子的一個使用你們的這樣獨立的書店目前為止還苦無出處欸你知道嗎還搞不定欸你們的效率為什麼會搞得人家要配合的做文化幣的這樣的的書店搞到到3月21號還不知道該如何來做一個解決你不覺得你們效率太低了嗎"},{"start":5769.058,"end":5774.133,"text":"跟委員報告細節我可能不清楚不過我想從文化部的立場我們不會有想要"},{"start":5775.385,"end":5789.799,"text":"事實就擺在這邊我還幫你標示紅字來告訴你事實也有可能是他確實他的交易是異常的啊他的異常那你就給人家一個到底事實是生是活你就趕快告訴人家從1月25號到3月21號還有過年的時間很多時候是他好好用文化幣來好好的消費買動漫動漫漫畫的我想如果他能夠釐清他的異常交易記錄我們早就會"},{"start":5799.068,"end":5799.308,"text":"好 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謝謝部長好今天我們有一個案子是要討論國家兒童未來館的一個解凍案那剛好這個國家未來館是在我的選區板橋其實我本席對這個都非常的關心那我們都聽過有一個東西叫做選舉扶橋每次到選舉的時候這個橋就會扶起來選舉的話題我很擔心說我們這個國家兒童未來館會變成一個選舉扶館"},{"start":6662.151,"end":6673.225,"text":"因為每一次跟國家兒童未來館有關新聞都是在選舉時候發生的這個過程我非常清楚最早的時候是2018年蘇貞昌前院長他當時在競選新北市長的時候"},{"start":6674.414,"end":6697.177,"text":"他說看到這塊地這個在我們都是計畫叫特專山嘛3.3公頃的地他說每次看到這個地變成全台灣最貴的機車停車場他都很enki啦非常enki然後如果是由他來當新北市長的話他可以在100天之內取得這個用地開始為大家建兒童博物館這個是他2018年"},{"start":6701.275,"end":6726.106,"text":"處長,您知道現在這塊地是不是還是最貴的機車停車場?目前是在做機車停車場我知道,但是是不是最貴我不知道這是蘇貞昌講的啦如果他說謊的話就不是啦他如果沒說謊就是啦那我覺得就非常奇怪就是說為什麼蘇貞昌他後來當了院長以後照道理來說這塊地是文化部管的行政院管的到文化部他直接就可以很快開始做了不做"},{"start":6726.886,"end":6747.531,"text":"每次經過這個地我就不知道為什麼他忽然間就不enki了照道理說enki應該是很氣的意思怎麼過了那麼多年就不enki了很奇怪這是2018年的時候然後2021年蘇貞昌前院長跑到我們板橋煞有其事的開了一個記者會他說他要給兒童一個大禮2021年的時候兒童的大禮2021年到現在也過三年了"},{"start":6752.543,"end":6769.108,"text":"然後呢2022年的時候又來了又來了他說這個管呢本來是128億要增加到130億然後預計在2030年以前完工然後2020年是什麼特別的年份呢啊剛好又遇到九合一的選舉"},{"start":6770.268,"end":6792.616,"text":"然後去年2023年很巧的文化部在這邊辦了一個大陣仗的兒童未來博物館建築師徵選成果發表哇2023年11月又是什麼特殊的日子啊原來呢快要總統大選跟立委選舉所以朱文昌帶著他的子弟兵還有他的女兒就來到這邊薩爾奇斯開了一個記者會"},{"start":6795.674,"end":6798.879,"text":"請教一下部長現在已經2024年了嘛按照蘇貞昌院長他說的2024到2030年要完工嘛這個做得到嗎"},{"start":6808.07,"end":6826.206,"text":"因為我...不然我是很擔心啦你知道嗎他2018年開始講喔兒童都很興奮你知道嗎喔我有一個未來管了很興奮然後結果他說2030年完工當時兒童如果是六年級的話2030年已經大...24歲了大學畢業了啦如果早熟一點小孩都出生了啦"},{"start":6826.997,"end":6842.353,"text":"所以那時候的小朋友都白白興奮了你知道嗎我現在不知道說這個兒童未來館會不會蓋完之後可能是當時他講的兒童都已經當阿公了好不好這個兒童未來館到底是什麼時候要蓋好可不可以給大家一個比較具體的承諾可以嗎"},{"start":6843.334,"end":6871.67,"text":"好 跟委員報告過去您講的種種我不了解不過我手頭上 你說你不了解喔過去您剛講的這些狀況我其實並不太清楚你不了解怎麼可能 所以蘇貞昌當院長的時候他都沒有交代文化部說這個是他要給兒童的大禮捏都沒有跟文化部講喔我當部長的時候部長你戳破了蘇貞昌一個大謊言欸我沒有戳破因為你比較晚來啦可是你們負責這個業務的同仁應該是待比較久吧他應該不是跟你一起上任嘛"},{"start":6872.33,"end":6881.613,"text":"所以蘇院長這麼有決心要給兒童大禮卻沒有跟文化部講要好好做這個事情這個就是不是蘇文昌說謊就是文化部失職啊"},{"start":6883.081,"end":6910.844,"text":"有沒有跟文化部講我不曉得啦因為我上任的時候不是書生商院長不過我也確實很努力把這個事情做好第一個就是說從行政的角度來講這個經費的編列是經過行政院核定的這是有一個法定的程序這是第一個第二個這個經費的編列也納入文化部的預算書也經過大院的審查第三個今年也就是去年到今年我們的任務是要把建築師的領選完成那我們已經完成了我們現在正在進行沒有啦沒有啦我現在是問一個目標嘛"},{"start":6911.084,"end":6935.369,"text":"因為兒童都在等,兒童要想說是他的小孩可以享受得到還是孫子所以可不可以告訴我們大概這個兒童未來館講這麼久了不要讓我預測正確,我猜下一次可能出現的時間是2026年因為2026又要選舉了所以你可不可以很明確告訴大家說你的目標是多久我的目標就是依照行政院所核定的進度在進行多久?民國哪一年?"},{"start":6935.989,"end":6954.226,"text":"是2023年所以2030年嘛是2030年你會把它完成嘛這是你給兒童的期許啦所以2018年的兒童你們失望了不過沒關係你們的弟弟妹妹還有你們小孩有機會享受到這個兒童未來館然後第二個就是因為我們今天葛如君他是AI專家啦這個"},{"start":6956.649,"end":6973.926,"text":"現在科技日新月異AI一年的技術就進步非常多我不知道這個兒童未來館會不會蓋好之後那個科技又已經退步了這也是我認為文化部你必須要注意的部分還有我們也覺得很奇怪的地方就是兒童未來館到目前還是最貴機車停車場可是他已經上網徵人了徵了一個編審"},{"start":6977.609,"end":6992.009,"text":"那我不知道這個編審是要做什麼,是幫忙做什麼事情啊?那個地方我每天經過我也都暗起的,跟孫生一樣,但是為什麼會有編審的缺?就是我們會來管籌備處的人力啊。籌備處是不是?是啊。所以一位負責籌備?"},{"start":6993.251,"end":6993.371,"text":"文化幣"},{"start":7015.814,"end":7043.555,"text":"我個人認為利益良善因為按照部長你們說為什麼要做文化幣呢這個目標念起來很崇高他要開放年輕人的文化體驗培養長期藝文消費習慣要讓藝文進入到每個人的生命當中這個猜就太崇高了一年有1200塊錢讓他去消費藝文可以讓藝文進入到每個人生命當中我覺得這太有價值了但是"},{"start":7044.235,"end":7070.149,"text":"部長,我發現對我們新北市非常不公平的一件事情我們來看一下這個是因為你的文化幣你必須要到一些店家消費嘛對不對,那如果這個縣市的店家可以消費的店家越多當然使用這個文化幣的機會又越高也比較容易把這個產值留在我們新北嘛你看一下我們新北市目前可以消費的藝文消費點是570億間店"},{"start":7073.25,"end":7101.079,"text":"高雄市就是我們非常羨慕的暖市總共有3395家藝文點高雄市得天獨厚不只是前瞻計畫的預算比我們多各方面建設都比我們多比較受到中央眷顧可是為什麼連藝文消費點都多這麼多因為部長您曾經在高雄服務過是不是可以來講一下讓我們借鏡一下"},{"start":7101.879,"end":7129.115,"text":"為什麼新北只有571個點高雄有3395個點照道理來講我們新北市人比較多我們板橋市60萬人您的這張圖上我們也看到台中市更多嘛對雖然我也在台中市服務過啦那你傳授一下要怎麼樣可以點比較多所以我想這個其實跟我有沒有在哪裡服務過沒有直接的關係啦這個其實最主要是這樣子啦就是說有些縣市他會把他的活動型的"},{"start":7130.455,"end":7153.128,"text":"例如文創市集等等來提報申請有些縣市就沒有或者是有些縣市它這種文創市集等等活動型的比較少都是固定型的其實差異就在這裡而已並沒有什麼我想應該不只是活動型吧因為你的文化幣可以使用的範圍很廣嘛可以買書可以看電影然後可以去看演唱會有非常多的點啊"},{"start":7154.328,"end":7177.284,"text":"所以應該不是說活動型的就占那麼多數啦我覺得應該是要推廣那些可以使用的實體用電啦我覺得會比較幫助嘛否則你說的都是活動型活動型要怎麼樣讓藝文進入到每個人生命中啊要怎麼樣培養長期的藝文消費習慣啊活動就是活動一次性就沒有要怎麼樣培養到我藝文消費習慣"},{"start":7178.685,"end":7197.536,"text":"委員報告啦確實啦像台中市它就是它有好幾個園區嘛市府的園區那它事實上假日它其實都有辦比較活動型的藝文市集那台北市也是一樣高雄一樣所以其實這個是不同形態的處理這倒沒有真的是這個部長我因為呢我剛剛有講了我說你那個文化幣"},{"start":7199.019,"end":7203.041,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ８立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案"},{"start":7218.931,"end":7240.017,"text":"可是如果說這個文化幣花下去他是常設性的組織店家然後讓大家說我一開始試試看然後一試成主顧未來變成我常常來這邊消費我看電影1200塊我可能可以看個四部電影然後看了這四部電影之後我就愛上電影了所以我就長期去電影院消費這是你的目標嘛可是實際上從我們剛剛這樣子詢答發現我剛剛點出一個問題就是說其實實際上文化部應該要去輔導說這些"},{"start":7248.419,"end":7250.259,"text":"中央政府總預算及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案"},{"start":7275.407,"end":7301.438,"text":"我今天要跟部長主要諮詢的重點所以不知道部長可不可以去了解一下到底真正的原因是什麼我會把高雄、台中跟新北大家的差異化進行討論然後大家試試經驗交流推廣我們當然是希望能夠新北用這台新北機車我是希望走在我們新北每個人的藝文都進入到他生命當中是希望文化部可以好好加油謝謝我只是說沒有對新北異常嚴格真的請不要誤會謝謝"},{"start":7304.002,"end":7310.808,"text":"好 謝謝葉元芝委員我們再來請葛盧君委員質詢那葛盧君委員質詢完我們休息五分鐘"},{"start":7336.778,"end":7357.376,"text":"主席,有請文化部史哲部長,謝謝好,有請部長委員好部長好,我們上一次見面相談甚歡今天在這個場合還可以再跟您聊聊,真的很高興謝謝部長,文化部委託臺北教育大學所做的這一份非常豐富的報告"},{"start":7358.337,"end":7379.71,"text":"台灣文化創意產業發展20年關鍵報告3月20日剛出爐不曉得你看過了嗎?我坦白講我還沒有沒關係我們今天就簡要的了解一下其中有一個內容非常有意思就是對於我們2010年通過的文化創意產業發展法它的分法有一些看法"},{"start":7380.51,"end":7407.835,"text":"在這裡面說聯合國教科文組織去用一個產業價值鏈的方式做文化循環來定義希望讓它能夠簡化建議將我們現在有的15項的文創產業應該併到更少的領域來做更精準的一個扶植跟管理包含文化資產應用、藝術、影圖文等等我想到底是不是這些類別我覺得也不是很重要重點是我們現在的這個做法"},{"start":7408.695,"end":7427.456,"text":"也許是有修正方向的我們看一下依據文化部2023年所發布的行政命令目前我們文化產業的主管機關其實是非常多的包含文化部、經濟部、內政部、數位部等等的4個部會15加1項裡面有高達4個中央目的的事業主管機關"},{"start":7429.151,"end":7431.193,"text":"我們來看一下 這個例子其實都非常清楚我們舉一個產業叫做廣告產業"},{"start":7453.771,"end":7468.071,"text":"以廣告產業為例雖然是文創產業裡頭相對賺錢的產業但是近來其實有一些小小陰霾就是在疫情期間稍微下降但其實這個產業是含金量非常高的創意也非常的好"},{"start":7468.732,"end":7496.042,"text":"持續下降的過程可能面臨到一些風險包含某一些國際大的平台可能會開始把廣告代理業務收回去自己做創意跟文化的成分會在廣告行業裡面變得越來越重要尤其全世界最大的廣告集團WPP開始跟這個NVIDIA合作全台灣全世界最大的單一集團之一電通也開始擁抱AI所以廣告產業會越來越智慧越來越創意會變成一個非常非常重要的一個文化的部分"},{"start":7497.162,"end":7507.21,"text":"想請教一下有沒有去了解廣告產業成長進步或者未來扶植的一些做法還有他現在的這個成長的狀況"},{"start":7510.283,"end":7526.654,"text":"廣告產業確實在這幾年應該是有非常巨大的變化因為通路等等方式都改變像就文化部來講我們最了解的就是說其實因為網路跟OTT的產生事實上在電視的廣告的"},{"start":7527.915,"end":7548.428,"text":"以助大幅的下降轉達到網路數位化、網路化的程度越來越提高這個就會改變網路本身內容的形式那我也同意說從廣義來講廣告的產業確實是廣義的文化產業的一環因為它確實是應用了非常多的內容謝謝部長我時間有限我們來看真的很感動"},{"start":7548.988,"end":7564.201,"text":"文化部的部長了解的程度很高且也非常關心但是我們問文化部文化部的回覆是廣告產業的主管機關是經濟部應該是經濟部要去了解跟關心但我可以告訴部長據了解主管機關經濟部也不太了解相關的產業現在變動的原因"},{"start":7566.904,"end":7580.416,"text":"想請教一下部長,文化部剛剛部長也認同,其實廣告也非常重要我們在過去扶植我國的廣告產業提出了哪些措施有沒有給予一些獎補助?就你所知經濟部有沒有提出相關扶植廣告產業的措施?"},{"start":7582.849,"end":7607.568,"text":"經濟部有沒有提供廣告產業所有措施?我不知道,文化部我也承認過去我們確實對廣告產業事實上是比較沒有涉獵謝謝部長我們上一次會面的時候我就謝提過了也謝謝您的答案是一致的調查以後發現兩個部會都未針對廣告產業可以任何的扶植跟講述的措施不僅如此文化部和經濟部還互踢皮球認為對方都是才是應該要負責扶植廣告產業的人部長"},{"start":7609.99,"end":7636.101,"text":"廣告被譽為文化的櫥窗廣告也決定了人的生活型態我認為目前即便這個主管機關有一些這個雙頭馬車有好有壞的問題但是我真的希望能夠持續的要關注雖然目前主責不屬於文化部的主管但是應該不要把它排除在福祉文化產業文創產業大門之外甚至要把它納入進來為什麼我想跟您報告一下"},{"start":7636.761,"end":7654.289,"text":"我這裡幫你統計了近五年三金是我們很重要的文化活動嘛對不對三金的獲獎情形金馬獎最佳導演的得獎者五位當中以前就是拍廣告的金鐘獎戲劇節目導演獎最佳得獎者五位以前四位是從廣告導演拍攝出來的"},{"start":7655.47,"end":7667.423,"text":"金曲獎最佳MV得獎作品一樣也是有四位是從過去拍攝廣告出來的更不用說其他的幕後人員這些人才都是互相流動的廣告業可以說是培養優秀影視音甚至電影產業的工作者的搖籃是相互輝映的"},{"start":7672.168,"end":7676.835,"text":"但是我們現在看到呢完全沒有任何的福祉這叫什麼對不起喔這用一個比較嚴重的話這叫殺雞取卵啊我們看了很多那種什麼開車換手的廣告片啊還有換車的廣告片啊都覺得不錯嘛對不對但是呢"},{"start":7688.03,"end":7698.177,"text":"我們這樣殺雞取卵那這批人才往上晉升變得很有名了拍電影了去做更多的事情了那我們新的廣告導演要從哪裡來所以我認為這樣的一個鍛鍊真的不是我們樂見的同時我們再看廣告產業還有很棒的國際能見度"},{"start":7704.915,"end":7727.045,"text":"我們可以看到他在2022年廣告業的外銷收入跟去年相比成長率到達24.09%而且有越來越多的創意在這裡頭持續發生但是亞洲地區大規模的廣告盛會每兩年舉辦一次的At Asia的亞洲廣告會議去年盛大在韓國首爾舉行2025年預計在澳門舉辦距離上一次2021年在澳門舉辦只有4年的時間請問部長您知道這樣的一個非常大的"},{"start":7734.888,"end":7756.935,"text":"創意的廣告的活動上一次在台灣舉辦是哪一年嗎很抱歉我確實不知道2015年距離現在已經真的是越來越遠了那我想現在就算積極爭取預計下一次在台灣舉辦說不定還要再10年文化藝術提升國家能見度是非常非常重要的廣告可不可以請部長承諾無論是由文化部主導或是由經濟部主導文化部協助我們能不能夠積極的爭取類似像AD ASIA這樣由我們來主辦"},{"start":7763.297,"end":7787.6,"text":"另外,台灣本身每兩年也會舉辦一次DG Asia的數位亞洲大會這是一個亞洲地區的常態性的創意數位的大會以數位行銷為主軸聚集來自全世界各地的科技管理創意人才是不是也能夠請文化部支持希望能夠進一步提升我們在傳播行銷創意文化創意的產業在國際上的知名度以及讓大家可以看見台灣"},{"start":7789.182,"end":7814.504,"text":"是 謝謝委員我想我們跟數位內容有overlap那我們跟廣告產業在文化內容上也overlap這個我承認所以如果要來支持要求文化部參與共同的支持我想這個我們也都願意不過我也必須要坦承恐怕這個可能是要跨部會大家來共同不能文化部越主帶跑這個因為全世界的文化部"},{"start":7814.944,"end":7835.5,"text":"那我只好下一次再來問院長喔但是文化部部長您支持嘛對不對好OK非常感謝但是我想文創這一塊文化部還是非常的重要再拜託文化部一定要來多多加以關注那再來呢我想我先給部長看一下這張圖片請問您知道這什麼卡通角色嗎應該是小美人魚小美人魚嗎您覺得他幾歲"},{"start":7843.359,"end":7862.187,"text":"你覺得它是人還是動物?我沒有想過這個問題所以這是一個非常模糊難以定義的問題不好意思剛剛都已經有非常多委員在關注了我就非常迅速啦我是阿宅我還是要再問一次這個問題我們剛剛在會議當中所提到虛擬兒少突發案件的判斷標準"},{"start":7863.027,"end":7884.46,"text":"包含包括角色認為為兒少圖畫內容客觀上足以引起信譽或羞恥等等請問部長認為這樣的判斷標準真的已經足夠明確作為案件認定的參考依據了嗎?剛剛部長顯然也是猶豫了一下甚至可能還會猶豫更久漫畫的角色真的是形形色色動畫也是神隱少女的白龍外表12歲實際上代表一條河"},{"start":7886.761,"end":7914.251,"text":"他可能是幾千年的年齡我們要怎麼判斷兒少是不是呢那事實上接下來可能還有更多啦這個美少女戰士我們就先待會再看啦總而言之針對這個會議的結論這個未來相關的案件竟然是建議有可能要由地方政府來進行認定我們剛剛看到的這些動畫的內容包含小美人與未來可能在台灣台北看得到高雄看不到台中可能只能看一半"},{"start":7915.351,"end":7925.123,"text":"市長,您覺得這樣的方針是對的嗎?我想他的意思應該不是兩個縣市採取不同的標準,而是面臨到檢舉的時候的問題。我站在文化部的立場,我只能說"},{"start":7933.914,"end":7957.9,"text":"我覺得兒少的課題是一個我們要共同面對的課題我們不迴避這個課題我也認為可以討論討論的過程當中我們希望能夠盡量撐起這個不妨礙創作的空間但是我覺得不能迴避討論這件事情所以對於地方自行判定您不認同嗎我覺得地方自行判定可能是目前在法制上有這個程序但是不應該形成一國兩制這個我同意"},{"start":7958.308,"end":7985.242,"text":"好 謝謝最後我想提醒部長文化部作為漫畫產業的主管機關真的有非常多人非常關注今天的質詢對此議題的立場跟態度幾乎關乎整個產業的發展我想文化部真的應該要來替所有的漫畫創作者發聲我自己是阿宅我是讀者超級讀者所以我真的也是要替大家發聲漫畫創作者的本意絕對不是希望自己的作品跟犯罪有所連結我們期待文化部能夠以維護創作自由為前提和衛福部來共同合作"},{"start":7988.223,"end":8009.687,"text":"跨部會真的會變得越來越重要針對虛擬兒少適用的兒少性剝削條例的判斷標準給予產業一個明確的答覆千萬不要像網友所說的我們現在可以看了讓美少女戰士從此不能變身小丸子從此不能跟爸爸洗澡的荒謬情形發生在台灣謝謝部長謝謝好謝謝不會的好謝謝好謝謝謝謝葛如君委員那我們現在就休息五分鐘"},{"start":8025.435,"end":8030.071,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部長史哲列席報告。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管預算。"},{"start":8035.168,"end":8043.797,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。"},{"start":8058.435,"end":8062.319,"text":"二天一次會議二天一次會議三天一次會議"},{"start":8140.302,"end":8155.728,"text":"二天一次會議二天一次會議三天一次會議四天一次會議五天一次會議六天一次會議"},{"start":8423.697,"end":8426.138,"text":"好我們現在繼續開會我們再來請吳佩奕委員質詢謝謝主席我請文化部部長好有請部長"},{"start":8444.011,"end":8447.996,"text":"委員好部長好部長你知道我一直都很關心台灣的影視音產業是我知道那剛剛因為前面有委員質詢針對我們文策院的投資我們的影視音產業然後就它的這個初期的這個收益"},{"start":8462.654,"end":8464.216,"text":"前面有委員認為說文化部應該要以這個收益來作為評估我們是否要支持以及投資台灣本土影視應產業內容你認同嗎?"},{"start":8479.473,"end":8491.229,"text":"國發基金確實是以投資收益做考量,這個我們要承認,但是它不應該以個案或者是說以初期,我們是希望以整體長期的發展來做投資收益的考量"},{"start":8492.671,"end":8495.352,"text":"二、主導我們去年文化部提出的這個黑橋計畫是由文化部跟文策院我們用頭補雙軌的方式就是希望可以支持長期的我們影視內容產業的發展因為內容產業的發展最關心的根本就是人才的培育"},{"start":8513.962,"end":8522.086,"text":"我們有人才有文化才有產業這是何其需要長期支持投注的一項事業所以我希望文化部我們要把我們的計畫的定位要闡述清楚倘若我們一切都以損益比當作唯一評估的KPI的話那我們台灣知名的演員"},{"start":8539.495,"end":8539.755,"text":" 是的。"},{"start":8562.503,"end":8565.986,"text":"但是每一個電影、每一個創作、每一個影劇背後都是一個團隊它都是一個人才的產業鏈我們讓這些在現場的人員在每一次的製作裡面我們同時在培養我們的實力"},{"start":8580.78,"end":8593.966,"text":"所以我認為這一點非常的重要在你們的報告裡面像我們支持的大幕可可所拍出的《人選之人》這一部片是登上了國進的影音平台Netflix登上排名第一名"},{"start":8595.592,"end":8599.616,"text":"第一名代表什麼?因為這一部影劇也讓世界看到了台灣民主自由發展的價值這個也是非常重要的價值所以我認為對政府部門來說KPI還是重要的"},{"start":8611.329,"end":8616.152,"text":"二、諸如社會影響力或其他衡量指標選一筆當然是其中重要指標但不應該是唯一指標我希望你們可以把其他的指標KPI具體把它定出來要向社會來闡述說明因為我們文化部在你們網站上面所說的文化部我們的使命是什麼?文化是國民思想進步的基石是我們國家發展茁壯的根本"},{"start":8641.93,"end":8662.563,"text":"所以文化部來支持我們本土內容產業的發展就是在支持我們國家的發展你們要把它闡述清楚好不好但我還是要關心我們黑潮計畫我們目前是4年100億那在去年呢文化部來跟我們申請的50案我們投入了9.51億帶動中邊的效益你們給的數字是22.67億我請問部長所謂中邊的效益指的是什麼"},{"start":8669.045,"end":8689.37,"text":"您剛講的數字是文策院的這個投資啦是第一個是文策院他自己的資金的投資還來加上對方資金的投資嘛以及投資之後所產生的產值的外溢效益是整個周邊效益是所以就是說我們政府來投資也去刺激鼓勵民間來加入投資嘛"},{"start":8689.91,"end":8703.988,"text":"當然一定要有相對等的民間投資而且文成員的投資不可能超過49%所以絕大多數的錢都還是民間投資民間的投資以及周邊的效益因為所謂周邊的效益相關帶動的發展我就希望你們要把它具體的寫出來也讓我們能夠具體的來監督了解好不好"},{"start":8708.513,"end":8711.975,"text":"再來要跟部長討論是我們影視音內容產業除了剛剛講到的內容創作本身以外我看到很多的國家現在也把影視音本土的產業來帶動他們國家的觀光例如韓國他們有一個觀光公社韓國公社就是他們政府的觀光單位他們每一個韓劇很多他們是從在內容草創的"},{"start":8734.565,"end":8739.266,"text":"二十七就把要去推廣觀光的這個策略把結合進來在隱私內容上架之後呢這個政府的觀光部門還會就這個隱私內容裡面的相關的景點再去跟民間的例如這個旅行社業者等等的來把這個景點"},{"start":8755.31,"end":8772.149,"text":"不只對國內觀光推廣也對國外的觀光來推廣外國旅客來到我們本地的時候因為他是你這個影劇迷像我們有Netflix第一名排名這樣的台灣劇來到台灣我想要去看看那個景點例如說像我們萬華的華江整宅"},{"start":8773.991,"end":8794.468,"text":"這個非常多的知名的影劇不只台灣連韓國的電影也來我們這邊取景我跟他算過曾經我們一年大概有10部以上的影視創作就在華江鎮札拍攝我自己也發現有非常多日韓遊客就是他們是暗途所寄來的他曾經看過這一個劇所以想要來這裡看一看"},{"start":8796.449,"end":8817.885,"text":"我覺得這是一個非常好的方式我們的文化內容產業就是要帶動我們本土的文化我們在地的景點當然也是我們文化之一但是觀光是文化部你們的業務嗎觀光不是文化部的業務那部長怎麼辦剛剛這件事情我們應該要來做部長你覺得我們可以怎麼做"},{"start":8819.647,"end":8835.176,"text":"其實最重要的做法就是如果能夠讓我們的文化內容我們的影視產業它在文化輸出上越強勢事實上它自然就會有達到這個效果嘛所以這個其實是跟我們所以文化部做文化部的交通部觀光署做觀光署的部長是這樣嗎"},{"start":8838.823,"end":8846.786,"text":"是不同的部會啦但是事實上我們是有個平台在討論我希望你們我們文化部主動來跟交通部觀光署來討論好不好其他國家已經有這樣子影視內容產業結合觀光這樣子的計畫來產出那希望文化部我們可以就我們這幾年黑潮計畫既然是我們的重要計畫之一我們希望它可以帶動周邊的效益你們能來找交通部來討論一下當然可以當然沒有問題"},{"start":8866.874,"end":8867.695,"text":"二、台灣的獨立書店、實體書店"},{"start":8883.675,"end":8887.137,"text":"我們的閱讀習慣也正在改變當中所以說上個禮拜在網路上面有這麼樣的一篇文章是我們文化部所委託民間然後來這個聘請的獨立書店的訪視員有一篇文章在討論說究竟到書店裡面要不要買書"},{"start":8902.967,"end":8916.751,"text":"引發了蠻多的討論那我看我們文化部的次長也及時的有作一個公開的回應第一個就是請問部長我們文化部的觀點跟立場是什麼我們有沒有鼓勵國人買書我們鼓勵國人買書我們也不贊成只借書不買書"},{"start":8922.58,"end":8937.111,"text":"是,我們文化部認為應該要鼓勵來買書我們在台北國際書展為什麼文化部支持文化幣支持這個抵用券其實就是希望大家能夠利用一年度的盛事為自己買一本書我想我們的部長我們要怎麼樣來鼓勵"},{"start":8940.435,"end":8943.196,"text":"文化幣有5成是用在購書,有1成是用在獨立書店,獨立書店我們有2點加碼1點,這個對獨立書店的營業額是很高的。"},{"start":8959.104,"end":8964.127,"text":"文化幣一方面我們從消費端我們來推廣一方面我們文化部我們也有實體書店發展補助作業要點從106年開始推動我認為這個計畫要持續來推動但我要建議的是其中文化部有提到說希望未來的書店也可以作為我們社區圍形的文化中心其中我們也鼓勵針對這個補助作業"},{"start":8982.398,"end":8983.138,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日"},{"start":9004.229,"end":9007.832,"text":"可以駐一臂之力因為這都是我們公部門自己相關的單位的話我想除了是鼓勵實體書店可以來進入社區推廣作為你們所謂的微型社區文化中心以外也是在我們校園裡面可以有一個很好的風氣來推動閱讀的文化"},{"start":9024.087,"end":9024.467,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二天一次會議"},{"start":9045.699,"end":9060.144,"text":"確實的成為違行的社區文化中心有相關需要例如說需要地方政府交易局的協助地方政府區公所的協助甚至地方政府文化局的協助是不是文化部來找地方政府我們來討論一下怎麼樣來協助我們實體的書店可以走進社區"},{"start":9065.066,"end":9089.772,"text":"事實上我們持續一直有在進行跟縣市政府的溝通協調不過因為它落實到每一個學校確實可能更需要更多的我們需要主動積極的來協助不能等到他們來找我們幫忙才個案的幫助這樣沒有辦法整體的推動閱讀文化最後一點時間我要提醒部長因為我一直在關注我們公共藝術這個設置要點的修正那因為監察院提出糾正了"},{"start":9090.532,"end":9093.173,"text":"主要問題就是過去我們長期就是少數人少數業者在代辦我們全國各個地方的公共藝術那甚至有球員兼裁判的問題現在設了這個要點希望可以改善過去的這些弊端但其中一個你們要設這個公共藝術的輔導團"},{"start":9109.341,"end":9130.798,"text":"我在要點裡面沒有看到細項你這個輔導團的設置是聘請外部委員嗎來多少的比例是外部委員多少比例是我們內部的我們自己文化部的人員有沒有已經有這個細則出來了輔導團基本上我們會折成各縣市希望能夠來成立啦因為其實都還是在有地方政府成立對那有沒有設置辦法輔導團目前還沒有啦還沒有嘛所以要提醒文化部喔"},{"start":9136.602,"end":9137.603,"text":"切莫讓輔導團再次變成少數人壟斷變成類代辦的一個機關然後呢 切莫再有球員兼裁辦的問題啊倘若你輔導團的成員已經被評審了嘛"},{"start":9154.44,"end":9158.761,"text":"二、共同申請公共藝術計畫．則回到我們一開始的問題了一樣有求援兼裁判這樣的疑慮所以希望文化部針對輔導團的設置的細則要好好地來謹慎來訂定好不好好我們會特別注意好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝謝謝吳培毅委員好我們再來請陳培毅委員質詢"},{"start":9181.803,"end":9208.104,"text":"好 謝謝主席 那有請部長好 有請部長委員好部長很多人問過這一題但是對於剛剛部長有句回答我真的要先給予肯定部長您剛剛在回答吳佩瑜委員的時候你說文化部過去一年應該是過去10年以來過去一年是最支持圖書出版產業這件事情我絕對認同而且我要感謝部長對相關出版產業的支持好"},{"start":9208.965,"end":9217.154,"text":"我就快速講了這個事情我相信部長就知道文化部也做了回應可是我自己從導過一家書店的經驗我真的必須要說如果回過來看稍微都笑了這樣導過一家書店獨立書店當時的訪視團的成立初衷是這個我相信部長你應該也回去研究過所以我認為整件事情應該回頭看"},{"start":9228.767,"end":9232.168,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算 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：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務．"},{"start":9537.983,"end":9563.874,"text":"現在也沒有一個機制去跟出版社問就以我認識的台灣最紅的繪本畫家賴瑪的書他在圖書館被借出去的東西不管是電子書或者是紙本書只有紙本書在公共出借權兩所會回到他身上我都還沒有去問賴瑪他可以買幾顆水煎包可是電子書的部分到底他可以拿到多少文化部目前應該也沒有跟出版社討論電子書的部分錢是回到出版社出版社在跟創作者之間"},{"start":9565.034,"end":9568.376,"text":"二、文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務．"},{"start":9595.034,"end":9612.213,"text":"我跟委員陳時德報告公務借業權如果要落實在實體書確實我們要從圖書館法去修法是如果不修法的話依照我們目前採購法的財務採購他確實是沒有辦法說我買了一本書以後這本書出借我還要每出借一次再付錢是"},{"start":9613.934,"end":9639.549,"text":"這個確實是要修法這個修法其實就是在等部長這個回答他確實是要修法主管法確實要修法而且這是一個很大幅度的改變我們國人的觀念能不能接受這等等都需要長期的溝通因為4月教育部會出相關報告那我們是不是可以期待文化部跟教育部快速召開跨部會的會議針對這個命題不管是因為修法還是收集民間的意見包含讀者的意見、專家學者的意見、出版業者的意見、作者的意見"},{"start":9640.069,"end":9659.061,"text":"然後在3個月內做出相關報告是在教育部4月的報告出來後往後壓3個月可以嗎?可以好謝謝部長謝謝那接下來也是關於這個產業調查的部分不過我今天沒有只要針對出版我們可以看一下根據文化部的這個公告裡面呢出版產業相關報告在2022流行音樂廣播遊戲電競電視電影動畫都有相關的報告可是我們其實右邊看到是很多產業的新聞"},{"start":9666.565,"end":9686.501,"text":"有報告的好處是什麼我相信部長你一定非常清楚對嗎我們可以完整對這個產業的了解所以當國家要下補助資源有黑潮這樣的計畫或者是有相關補助政策的時候我們比較知道錢要花在什麼樣對的地方我相信部長是認同可是我們來看一下傳統表演藝術最近一次是2017攝影藝術也是2017工藝產業2015表演藝術2014部長你覺得之所以沒有更新的原因是為什麼"},{"start":9694.648,"end":9716.184,"text":"跟委員報告我想表演藝術他是在我們文策院的這個這個內容產業報告當中是有所以他不會最新的是2014但是呢傳統表演藝術攝影藝術跟工藝產業他不在這個文策院的這個內容產業的調查所以他有可能是比較舊的年份他必須回歸到他各自的主管機關來進行"},{"start":9717.365,"end":9721.229,"text":"文化部為了辦理文化研究調查統計所需的必要資料得請求有關機關提供相關資料所以我們還是要把這件事情追回到文化部身上"},{"start":9735.722,"end":9736.764,"text":"請文化部提醒各全管主管該趕快進行調查。"},{"start":9758.886,"end":9780.697,"text":"我知道我知道沒錯沒錯好謝謝部長好還有一點點時間來這個人間國寶真的很急跟我現在時間一樣很急我們來看一下人間國寶之前部長您上任在11月24號去頒獎的時候呢本來當天有三名的保存者分別是土水修造技術李青海先生蘇清良先生還有減年泥塑技術徐明和先生可當天只來了一位因為另外兩位長者已經過世了"},{"start":9782.398,"end":9792.389,"text":"部長您在當天也說文化資產就是跟時間賽跑我們來看一下目前文化部最大的困境我們很認真的收集了資料發現近3年人間國寶在作業流程上出了什麼問題一個是被提報的長者年紀都過大都平均大概都是80幾歲"},{"start":9800.558,"end":9808.964,"text":"中70歲都算年輕根據文化部給我們的資料來看近3年的國保議事的平均年齡111年的時候是73歲111年的時候是82歲112年的時候是84歲"},{"start":9816.149,"end":9821.65,"text":"部長聽到這個年紀我們彷彿都覺得得高望重長者才能夠被提為人間國寶可是部長你知道人間國寶提完之後他要開傳習工作坊對嗎他要收益生那如果一個年紀長者已經很大了他有沒有足夠的力氣有沒有足夠的體力去承載教學的任務我們認為如果大家很喜歡到日本買所謂的達人這些匠人的手工藝品"},{"start":9842.254,"end":9846.076,"text":"台灣其實也有這些東西可是我們在人間國寶提報上其實出了很大的問題可能大家過去傳統的觀念認為要年紀很大才能叫做國寶我這裡真的必須要跟部長說我覺得我們應該要來翻新這個觀念因為部長確實您在上任之後非常多的作為我覺得都很年輕也很創新也想要跟年輕世代對話可是人間國寶其實也很多年輕人想要去學習可是相關這些問題我們覺得非常困難"},{"start":9866.809,"end":9889.627,"text":"不管是文資局他們從地方政府收到的資料可能是地方政府的怠惰也可能是文資局他們覺得他們沒有主動提報的機會或者是可能或者是我們看到有更多原住民的祭司他們的相關平均年齡其實已經比非原住民的族群還要來得短那可是提報年紀又這麼大所以我們可不可以這邊請快速請文化部訂定相關計畫要求地方至少每3年以60歲為基準進行普查這個部分有沒有機會"},{"start":9894.231,"end":9899.208,"text":"我想因為時間的關係我會很快速的回答委員我想去年在頒獎的時候我就跟文字局說"},{"start":9901.158,"end":9904.96,"text":"請文資局在今年開始我們就趕快來調整相關的作為啦委員報告 這要怎麼修辦法啦"},{"start":9931.37,"end":9932.091,"text":"有請部長委員好"},{"start":9960.08,"end":9988.12,"text":"部長首先非常感謝你就是在上次那個台藝Flow生活節當時在民間團體有一些台語的團體對於當時的一些活動上面巨碼的一些裡面有一些爭議所以當時就是部長跟部長反映之後很快的就請了那個李敬惠次長來在我們協調會上面跟團體來做一些溝通那現在目前上面大家都滿能夠接受這樣子的一個補救措施那首先也是非常感謝部長"},{"start":9989.721,"end":10016.721,"text":"二、針對台語議題我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的"},{"start":10017.441,"end":10020.504,"text":"主要是使用台語的。那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?"},{"start":10038.69,"end":10054.115,"text":"這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重啦。年輕一代如果我聽到就已經算很不簡單了啦。所以我們的目標就是要把他提升嘛,對不對?當然。 比較多人喔。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會所,我們來看這張表,裡面30到39歲,這個會所是迅速的下降。"},{"start":10068.179,"end":10085.047,"text":"他們剛好的兒子差不多就是11歲以下的他們所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的要來重新振興台語的一個族群你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦這就是所謂的台語家庭母語家庭"},{"start":10085.427,"end":10101.234,"text":"對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億"},{"start":10103.935,"end":10124.724,"text":"每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個影視觀念的這個改造這樣子重振這樣子那我想因為現在我看到的這個業務報告裡面沒有這些"},{"start":10127.245,"end":10140.153,"text":"六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1、第5屆的鹽水大飯店七"},{"start":10145.997,"end":10163.311,"text":"這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且它也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話"},{"start":10164.972,"end":10188.767,"text":"每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是不能說是專責的這個是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。台語台就佔了8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩"},{"start":10189.648,"end":10212.476,"text":"九億還有其他相關的預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片所以很多台藝界的先進也在關心意思就是說文化部有些台藝人是我們台藝的藝生看起來比普通藝人多"},{"start":10214.082,"end":10227.706,"text":"但是台語適用的人比較多所以這是一個問題剛才委員說的就是要以家庭為中心現在差不多我們的調查裡面差不多應該有四分之一到三分之一的家庭他是有主動想要傳承貿易"},{"start":10229.847,"end":10247.527,"text":"但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花藝的環境裡面,在家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家的意義嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。"},{"start":10248.448,"end":10274.516,"text":"對,因為剛剛部長也有提到母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的"},{"start":10276.216,"end":10299.944,"text":"例如說我們可能有說故事我們現在在做圖書館說故事的時候我們可能講師培訓不及是不是可以在傳承家庭面有一些這樣子的機制讓他成為總值的講師去散播不然他等於是只有在家裡自己講那我就覺得有點可惜這部分是不是可以再邀請我們民間的專家學者大家再來一起討論傳承家庭還可不可以有更積極的一些社區參與的方式"},{"start":10301.144,"end":10314.038,"text":"這個我完全同意啦尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化"},{"start":10317.621,"end":10329.992,"text":"我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔講得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有講得冷凍的家比較不會冷凍的嘛對對對這樣才會比較快的啦"},{"start":10334.776,"end":10340.18,"text":"對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下就是說我們現在是有1萬我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個"},{"start":10357.449,"end":10358.25,"text":"二年來做一個目標把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型"},{"start":10387.612,"end":10388.452,"text":"三個月好不好?謝謝"},{"start":10415.986,"end":10428.804,"text":"再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人"},{"start":10431.107,"end":10435.411,"text":"五百二十人。這個差異非常大。所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜"},{"start":10453.548,"end":10463.563,"text":"提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?"},{"start":10464.677,"end":10465.258,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":10486.352,"end":10509.925,"text":"對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以我們確實跟客語的認證比起來,這方面的需求跟積極度比較低,因為他們要說的人也很多嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加培育失智的能量"},{"start":10510.365,"end":10531.556,"text":"好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦的因為坦白講啦,也要跟委員坦誠報告嘛你現在讀到這個新舊政府嘛"},{"start":10532.116,"end":10533.697,"text":"二月初十月初十月初東京展出"},{"start":10562.617,"end":10564.38,"text":"我所了解這是我們國美館在進行嗎?應該是正常的嗎?是不是請我們國美館館長稍微睡一會?"},{"start":10579.651,"end":10602.088,"text":"我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括乾露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成東京美術館的早期的"},{"start":10605.37,"end":10606.07,"text":"五百五十萬左右"},{"start":10630.134,"end":10644.465,"text":"五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家那他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份"},{"start":10645.205,"end":10667.689,"text":"所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中"},{"start":10668.129,"end":10694.999,"text":"全都已經在進行當中是的好喔那我想喔因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的喔要非常非常小心那所以希望說史部長跟這個國民館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美喔那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝謝謝"},{"start":10697.841,"end":10700.424,"text":"主席好請部長有請部長委員好"},{"start":10714.212,"end":10736.185,"text":"部長這個禮拜一其實我們開了一個記者會那是關於台灣某一個戲曲學院的一個案件那當然其實這個李師跟王師他們是長期大概將近快要有20年的一個時間喔涉嫌性侵甚至性騷擾這個學生"},{"start":10738.286,"end":10759.914,"text":"一段時間當然其實這個部分在這個性平安在今年其實也已經結案了那3月的時候其實也確定他們是已經被解聘了但是這兩個人依舊還是可以提出所謂的身負當然其實我們也會比較擔心雖然可以看到這個理事雖然已經被解聘終生也不得"},{"start":10760.714,"end":10761.014,"text":"在2月份其實"},{"start":10790.106,"end":10793.768,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日"},{"start":10812.298,"end":10816.58,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日"},{"start":10842.894,"end":10867.932,"text":"檢討我們137項的獎補助要點都已經加入了違反性平相關規定得釋情節輕重與撤銷停止補助或者是追悔所以我們會落實這個機制那以他們兩位如果擔任主要申請人或者是計畫主持人的等等的申請案件這個我們會納入我們的這個制度當中但是我也必須跟委員坦承"},{"start":10868.672,"end":10878.579,"text":"我們的補助機制雖然有這樣的防範機制但是我們不可能把它完全杜絕在這個自由的社會裡面啦這個我了解但是是怎麼能夠讓很多的劇團他們怎麼樣的一個機制是不是也有一個審核嚴格的一個機制來知道這個老師他過去的一些所謂的這麼不應該的一些行為"},{"start":10891.849,"end":10896.415,"text":"所以他如果沒有跟政府申請補助表演的劇團其實就沒有這個限制跟範圍嗎?是所以無法可管"},{"start":10905.933,"end":10926.72,"text":"只能說我們沒有辦法從蔣補助這樣子牽制的力量來處理那我們可以藉由什麼樣的力量來牽制呢?有沒有一個研擬的方法?因為我相信民間演出的團體其實很多我們可以把這樣的事件讓劇團知道提醒他但是我們沒有辦法強制他"},{"start":10928.519,"end":10953.601,"text":"所以這個部分還是有一些遺憾是的我們再演你好不好我們其實是不是可以把這個部分能夠延伸因為我相信其實有很多是沒有管到跟政府來申請補助表演的一個劇團或者是說他們其實是透過其他的一些財團法人來做這樣子的一個表演他依舊可以在這樣子的團體當中活躍那就像我剛剛講的"},{"start":10954.462,"end":10955.443,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日二天一次會議"},{"start":10970.798,"end":10992.017,"text":"來仔細研究一下因為這個確實已經到了一個我們現在制度上的臨界點對因為台灣是一個法治社會我不可能在法律之外因為那天其實開了記者會其實是非常沉重的因為為什麼他們當年不敢說是因為迫於老師的權威跟校方的漠視"},{"start":10993.118,"end":10993.618,"text":"我們來研究一下看怎麼樣更"},{"start":11019.918,"end":11037.14,"text":"我們真的希望強烈的能夠來讓這樣子的一個狀況下打啦好不好謝謝部長好那另外一個其實就是我之前在3月1號我總質詢的時候其實因為時間很短我們就沒有辦法有時間可以完整的這個質詢完這個議題喔"},{"start":11039.242,"end":11042.264,"text":"就是關於所謂的資深影視從業人員相關的照顧那當時其實我相信部長應該還記得我提到的本席提到的就是我們應該有主動的關懷而取代所謂的被動的申請尤其是在於所謂的這個他們急難補助跟慰問的作業的要點的這個部分的門檻"},{"start":11061.839,"end":11084.886,"text":"我們來看一下這個門檻到底有多高我想這個部分包含第一他要文化機關或者是機構的首長或者單位的主管第二他要依法設立或者是登記文化藝術法人跟團體的負責人第三文化藝術相關學系的所長或者是主管以及副教授以上"},{"start":11085.586,"end":11108.735,"text":"所以他們急難救助當這些所謂的我們剛剛其實培育委員也有說我們真的在跟時間賽跑這所謂的國保的人士不管是幕前還是幕後他當他們提出急難補助的時候等這些條件的其中之一項這個天花板其實門檻是很高的啦那這個部分我們是不是有什麼樣的一個具體的作為從3月1號我總諮詢到現在我們有沒有一個具體的一個"},{"start":11112.777,"end":11114.518,"text":"主管司已開始針對激憂文化人士急難補助及慰問助益要點開始進行檢討"},{"start":11140.514,"end":11153.669,"text":"坦白講這個要一點時間啦因為這個中央部會的這個相關的這樣子的事實上是需要一點時間不過基本上是朝向委員所講的第一個就是說流程簡化第二個就是說我們的主動性強化"},{"start":11156.511,"end":11178.982,"text":"總而言之就是希望說讓我們的老藝人能夠更感受到政府其實是有在關心他們我想這個是委員所講的其實不只是藝人不只是這個檯面上的從業人員這可能是不是再給我們一點時間我們在簡化這個確認之前我們在私下跟委員做一個說明好不好大概再給我們一個月的時間"},{"start":11179.502,"end":11197.541,"text":"一個月的時間因為這個相關的有關於這個有涉及到補助錢的問題的這相關的要點它還是有一個修正作業的程序是 那我們希望一個月之內可以有一個比較具體的一個說法因為畢竟其實時間不等人是"},{"start":11197.921,"end":11214.33,"text":"那我相信急難救助既然是急難表示是當下就需要如果再經過這個嚴格的審查的門檻對他們來講其實真的也是緩不及急真的沒有辦法好那再來就是前一陣子大概上個禮拜五我們看到的就是獨立書店的一個問題那其實這個獨立書店的訪視員跟這個所謂的你們委外的這個補助審查委員"},{"start":11223.835,"end":11246.375,"text":"我們比較想要了解的到底他的遴選條件是什麼?即使他出了這樣子的一個在他文章當中寫說他其實是不買書的但是以這樣子的一個說法當然是比較對一般大眾來講是比較不適任去擔任這個訪視員但是他也真的從事了好幾年那究竟我們對於所謂的這個訪視員的遴選的條件是什麼?"},{"start":11248.874,"end":11268.29,"text":"是,跟委員報告其實委員講的紡釋源其實就是我們實體書店補助嘛實體書店拿了納稅人的錢補助之後我們總是希望補助之後要能夠落實追蹤管考那這個追蹤管考呢由誰來擔任呢其實我們就會想說能夠讓民間來參與所以民間參與就是說我們把這個工作委辦給獨立書店協會獨立書店協會就是我們實體書店補助的主要的對象嘛"},{"start":11275.416,"end":11302.159,"text":"由獨立書店協會他們來提請他們認為適當的訪試員訪試員不是什麼高薪的工作也不是什麼夢幻的工作他基本上就是一個基本的出席費然後要去到獨立書店現場那他被叫做訪試顧問也表示說他其實可以作為獨立書店他可以諮詢的一個對象那本來這樣的制度設計其實基本上是很公民參與從下而上的一個好事讓"},{"start":11303.9,"end":11323.65,"text":"被補助的公協會自己來提他希望接受什麼樣的仿試員這其實是一個開放政府應該是最極致的表現我們只是不曉得說會發生這個事情所以說其實在這個事情之前我們事實上是沒有想過說要重演審查或者是一些比較硬指標的條件我們想說由獨立書店協會來提"},{"start":11326.094,"end":11350.253,"text":"應該是對友善的方法嘛但是發生這個事情之後我想我們會來檢討啦這個因為其實有很多的獨立書店也為了所謂的補助其實我們其實有聽到其他不同的一些雜音啦那我覺得就是獨立書店的一個審查的標準跟他能夠達到所謂的這個我們的文化部這邊的一個補助的一個標準我覺得可能還要再更從嚴那對於審查員的資格其實我們應該還要再更審慎"},{"start":11353.962,"end":11373.789,"text":"是,所以我說這個事情其實也讓大家蠻遺憾跟傷心的嘛就是說本來是一個政府的美意嘛也是大家全民納稅前希望能夠支持很困難的獨立書店那訪視員希望能夠成為一個他們精進的一個管道那發生這樣的事情大家就會覺得說"},{"start":11376.517,"end":11399.19,"text":"到底未來要怎麼領選所以這個確實很遺憾我們會來想辦法把它精進我們另外一方面也要鼓勵我們本土的創作者其實書本還是必要的雖然現在大家都會覺得說要環保或者是電子書可是另外其實我要幫所謂的本土的一些真的在寫書的創作者或者是出版者其實也要鼓勵他們一下"},{"start":11399.77,"end":11401.811,"text":"我們希望很快能夠聽到文化部這邊的一些回應謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝主席好,謝謝,謝謝郭雨琴委員我們再來請吳春城委員質詢"},{"start":11428.049,"end":11428.431,"text":"有請部長"},{"start":11433.665,"end":11459.185,"text":"部長好今天我要跟你談那個文化部對得起壯世代嗎上次你應該對壯世代有概念了有有上次對我們談過我昨天在廣播節我還特別宣傳你的理念真的喔對因為廣播節他們說他們對銀髮族很有貢獻我馬上糾正他說不能用銀髮族對對對那是不是可以拜託這個部長因為廣播對壯世代很重要是"},{"start":11459.625,"end":11461.926,"text":"我可能先安排委員跟他們做一個演講"},{"start":11480.512,"end":11500.559,"text":"因為你要知道全台灣的公部的主席人有很多嘛 他們可能到現在還想要堅持要用銀髮族不是堅持啦 他上過一次課他就知道了 聽他說完可能大家都該做壯世代像部長你這麼有才華的人 你聽一次你就聽得懂 如果公部全部都該做壯世代這就很快了啦"},{"start":11504.021,"end":11518.375,"text":"對對對 這個很重要那為什麼講這個不是苛責啦其實我們是一個反省是一個反省跟思考那因為文化是一國之靈魂文化部不是小部啊"},{"start":11519.976,"end":11534.941,"text":"這是一個國家的靈魂這個部長看到這一個圖1970年跟2040年台灣的人口結構這是國發會做的不是我做的你看1970年我們的年齡中位數19.3歲2040年是52.4歲差了多少翻天覆地"},{"start":11545.723,"end":11570.726,"text":"1970年65歲的那個以上人占人口2.9%2040年是30.1%10倍從這個圖當中本來從正三角形變成倒三角形請問部長你活在哪一個世代你是1970年世代還是2040年你的腦袋你在思考我們的人口"},{"start":11573.424,"end":11588.937,"text":"經過及委員接受後,我現在可以蓋了你現在可以蓋了?你現在蓋了變2040年,很好,我們給部長拍一拍手對,就是,好,你馬上進入這個未來的世界,我們看一下"},{"start":11589.858,"end":11615.056,"text":"我最近都跟各部會在溝通聊天你看這就是各部會的政策啦勞動部定義中高齡什麼就業法我問部長說中高齡是幾歲他說45歲會不會太離譜啊45歲出國念書剛回來工作幾年就變代退了沒有辦法這個上面歸上面啊這不是他弄的啊"},{"start":11617.342,"end":11642.138,"text":"六十五歲法定老人搬給敬老卡交通部七十五歲吊銷駕照衝考市委危險分子教育部終身教育師的預算3.4億平均每位壯士在一年的教育費用40塊台幣"},{"start":11644.86,"end":11672.953,"text":"數位部數位落差不在偏鄉而在台北市的世代落差到達60%還有當然是全面性然後大家都說我每一個講說為什麼這樣規定他說是上面啊我說上面是誰我昨天質詢那個我們陳院長他說我說是你嗎上面是你嗎他說也不是他那我說是蔡總統嗎他說也不是啊"},{"start":11674.455,"end":11696.216,"text":"後來你看就在文化部你知道嗎?都是你的事都是你的事上面就是文化文化就是靈魂部長看一下民國44年的這則新聞有兩個女生在逛西門町被請到警察局犯了什麼罪?"},{"start":11697.915,"end":11716.029,"text":"防礙風化穿這樣就防礙風化我們在座可能有一半人要被請出去了問題出在哪裡?文化對不對?那所以台灣剛才這個翻天覆地的大家都為什麼各部都在那樣定因為他們都活在1970年代啦沒有翻過來啦這翻過來是誰的責任?誰的責任?哪個部位?"},{"start":11732.833,"end":11749.626,"text":"你知道這個我們請全國之力這個就是打造60歲以前的繁華的世界對不對都很熱鬧你一旦推開60歲這扇門你出去看看就是這個景象一片荒漠沒有水沒有電沒有路沒有質疑沒有什麼"},{"start":11751.027,"end":11776.282,"text":"我們沒有關於60歲以後人生的敘述文化部每次那個戲劇演到60歲的那個裝扮都是老裝白髮蒼蒼拿拐杖充滿懊悔其實現在戰後嬰兒潮已經全部進入60歲了這一群人是人類有史以來最強壯的但是呢我們還是把事為老人應法主來"},{"start":11779.09,"end":11801.32,"text":"這個剛才提到文化部對的中央世代我先參預算這個我看過你們一年的預算有174億文化部的高齡預算3500萬一樣是佔0.2%跟教育部一樣0.2%是什麼意思平均一個40塊啦一樣啦40塊所以40塊做什麼所以呢這一個"},{"start":11807.863,"end":11835.81,"text":"我們來看一下文策院也做觀看電影的調查後面50歲到59歲觀影率是45%60歲到69歲35%都是最低的那我不曉得有沒有調查原因為什麼不看是他們本來就不想看還是沒有適合他們看的部長覺得"},{"start":11837.319,"end":11858.94,"text":"這可能要研究一下了部長有沒有發現最近好萊塢都已經發現年輕人越來越少進電影院了所以拍的片都是要把壯世代拉回電影院了因為年輕人選擇很多嘛手機都可以看電影所以這個他們都懷舊片我要恰快一點來"},{"start":11860.051,"end":11887.481,"text":"接下來還有包括這個時尚不是老的一定是長這個樣子而是我們根本沒有創造我們文化人都不創造這一些我們歧視老年認為過了60歲就是放進倉庫的啦來消基會也跟我們合作80%的壯世代在消費過程當中感受到被歧視所以文化定義不憑政策連整個的企業產業都一樣來"},{"start":11891.009,"end":11906.155,"text":"今年上個月民歌49明年進入民歌50請問民歌50就要化為據點嗎?文化部有做什麼協助?那我沒辦法讓你回答我等一下要求你做一些事情部長沒有發現這個民間都現在"},{"start":11909.136,"end":11912.86,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．"},{"start":11926.302,"end":11952.302,"text":"最後就是要請文化部兩個月之內提出這兩點針對壯世代的文化產業需求調查報告當然部長也不知道為什麼不進去看電影院其實整個文化界包括還有這個音樂人也跟我講說他45歲以後就不會再收到通告了"},{"start":11953.319,"end":11954.339,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二天一次會議"},{"start":11973.064,"end":11996.112,"text":"台灣現在高壽、高智慧台灣從農業社會進入到現在元宇宙社會進入民主化、全球化都是壯世代一手開創的它有非常豐富的文化資產但是我們不懂得怎麼去運用它我在看文化部剛才的業務報告只做兩點一個就是年輕文化一個就是古蹟文化"},{"start":11997.152,"end":12022.625,"text":"這幾乎都是重點的把這一個這麼大的資產把它收進倉庫裡面不費用所以請問這個需求另外對於壯世代文化產業的一個輔導計畫包括文策院有這麼多的投資資產的引導這一塊真的是引導了整個的不僅是台灣明年就邁向了超高齡社會"},{"start":12024.426,"end":12043.897,"text":"未來台灣一半台灣未來不是年輕社會一半2030年一半的人超過50歲整個就是到經濟塔型有高齡者所構成的而且這個叫百歲世代年輕的人會變老但是我們整個在誤導他的方向以為永永遠是一個年輕社會而對這個"},{"start":12045.559,"end":12072.618,"text":"這個高齡社會完全視而不見那剛才提到了各部會都陷入迷霧、迷惘之中能夠改變這一個的就是文化部文化人的工作所以是不是可以拜託部長這兩項的請求可不可以可不可以同意這兩項請求我想蠻嚴肅的啦但是我必須要先釐清產業需求的調查我兩個月是做不出來的"},{"start":12073.418,"end":12084.568,"text":"不要多久?我相信你最想要一年一年一年你就已經做二年了我說你看文策院的產業調查都是以一年為單位所以這個是不是我承諾來做但是時間我承諾來做但是時間先不要幫我壓時間先不要壓時間不要壓時間我要等到哪一個世紀我回去"},{"start":12101.092,"end":12101.312,"text":"有請部長"},{"start":12131.552,"end":12142.387,"text":"早在202121年政府就成立跨部會的協調小組責成NCC跟我們文化部就大型的數位平台對本國新聞媒體的內容產業影響進行產業的調查研究"},{"start":12145.511,"end":12160.937,"text":"台北市的報業工會跟雜誌工會都是文化部輔導的單位可是這兩個單位他們都認為面對台灣的媒體當前的處境政府確實有立法的必要報業工會還認為說應該要積極推動媒體溢價法雜誌工會是認為應該要徵收媒體健康權"},{"start":12169.66,"end":12198.349,"text":"媒體健康圈設立培育第4權任性特別基金我想要請部長說明的是本席知道說我們文化部因為剛剛萬美林委員也有質詢文化部支持媒體有價針對本席還有許多委員其實陸續有提出媒體溢價法的草案我知道文化部都除了表示尊重外是不是還有更積極的態度"},{"start":12201.26,"end":12226.808,"text":"我想委員應該非常專業清楚新聞有價、媒體有價或者是媒體溢價是現在進行式尤其在世界各國那強制溢價有成功也有不成功那歐盟的方法其實又不大一樣所以其實我們跟訴發部一直都在溝通協調就是說到底台灣能夠用什麼樣的方法尤其是涉及到著作權法、遣議法"},{"start":12229.949,"end":12256.581,"text":"所以不是不積極表態是我們非常積極表態但是我們確實大家共同要找入一個有效的策略跟方式來進行不然的話坦白講國外也有發生過有立法但是無效因為平台不接受甚至退出這個事實上也有發生過所以這個事情恐怕是我們需要更積極的研究它的實行的策略"},{"start":12257.521,"end":12273.838,"text":"好,就文化部委託團體辦理的這個產業調查裡頭媒體對跨國平台當然確實有所依賴所以你說嘛就在這樣的關係下面我們流量也會受到這個所謂跨國平台的載制連帶這個新聞產制也會受到平台的制約"},{"start":12277.382,"end":12301.703,"text":"所以當然也就是因為這一點所以政府在推動這個跨國媒體跟跨國平台間的這個平等協商機制的這個過程當中一定要有角色就證明說現在正在進行中可是我們早眼當然不是只有這個兩種產業的經濟利益分配而已我覺得更大的目標是要捍衛民主國家這個自由多元跟優質的媒體環境"},{"start":12303.104,"end":12331.824,"text":"我覺得這才是重點我們避免讓這個跨國這個平台越來越多的力量然後讓他們去決定閱聽人可以看什麼樣的內容我們來討論新聞著作權的問題因為文化部有編列好像說對中央社有捐助的經費所以我想請教說像中央社這樣的以文字呈現報導的媒體它所產出的新聞是用著作權法嗎?"},{"start":12332.878,"end":12343.795,"text":"我想委員應該很清楚我們著作全法的相關規定對於公開傳輸的新聞雜誌等等的論述是同意"},{"start":12345.051,"end":12364.226,"text":"可以公開再傳輸的除非你有一開始就載名你是不許轉載不公開傳播這個是對著作權法上本來在新聞上的一個特殊的規定所以說你說適不適用著作權法的保障呢這個它既是有適用但是事實上它有排除例外的狀況"},{"start":12365.587,"end":12391.792,"text":"這其實也是現在媒體議價的一個關鍵嘛對因為它現在之所以能夠免費使用就是因為著作權法事實上對於本來的新聞公開化事實上是有保障的那未來所以說如果不透過立法現在的著作權法事實上是沒有辦法產生新聞議價確實是這個狀況對那當然是有這個判例啦智慧財產法院有這個判例這個判例當然就是很明顯的是"},{"start":12392.932,"end":12407.258,"text":"這是受到著作權法的保障因為他認為報導的標題素材或他編排的方式反映作者精神上的想法那也足以表現撰寫書記者的創作個性、他的封筆"},{"start":12409.899,"end":12411.921,"text":"主席的單位好像各委員的版本也是認為是數位發展部。"},{"start":12431.221,"end":12451.699,"text":"但是這並不代表說在這個整個的發展的過程文化部可以置身事外所以我覺得我們在推動這個媒體溢價法的立法當然我知道您現在就是我們要採取怎麼樣的方式我們現在演繹哪一種方式最適合台灣可是看起來是往這個趨勢在前進所以我覺得我們還是要就戰鬥位置一起努力"},{"start":12457.203,"end":12458.384,"text":"二月期六天的國際書展五萬人潮"},{"start":12476.237,"end":12500.156,"text":"光是文化成年禮金我們就有超過千萬的營業額這是值得讚賞的那臺北書展的這個董事長也說閱讀活力又重新回來了好像臺北書市好像今年股市開盤的電子股一樣一片的水漲船高那我們確實在書展的現場也看到山人海水洩不通那兩項問題要請教部長首先是幫讀者們問"},{"start":12503.899,"end":12524.131,"text":"因為每年都會有讀者在書展的現場因為人潮過度的擁擠產生了一些很不愉快的現象好像說他要在現場翻書、閱讀書可能都沒有那個空間或者是說業者想要介紹給讀者也沒有那個空間就是人擠人"},{"start":12525.151,"end":12533.776,"text":"如果能夠提供更舒適的環境是不是比較好一點所以我們會考量說在成本效益合宜的情況之下另密地點辦書展"},{"start":12535.185,"end":12562.694,"text":"好跟委員報告我想今年台北國際書展恐怕是近十幾年來第一次啊到禮拜六禮拜天的時候他把所有的大門都打開那其實很重要的原因就是因為含氧量對有太多因為那個通風如果不行的話會怕出現問題那這當然確實是好事但是誠如委員所講的這個一個我們亞洲最大的華語文的國際書展搞得跟"},{"start":12564.155,"end":12565.436,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日"},{"start":12584.828,"end":12611.704,"text":"這個要大家共同又有心理準備才行不過但是這確實誠如委員講的這是已經是一個必須要被討論思考的議題每次讀者去都覺得非常不舒服人那麼多所以我覺得如果另覓場地在整個的預算合宜之下我覺得這是應該是一個比較好的我個人是很支持我也希望大家能夠認真思考不過這個坦白講要給大家一些空間"},{"start":12613.206,"end":12632.887,"text":"好 那再來談到賣書的問題就是說我們從這次國際書展成果豐碩來看當然看起來是台灣的閱讀市場有一定的活力可是這股活力為什麼沒有辦法進一步轉移到實體的書店上去那部分的論者是認為說圖書的折扣戰或許是政府一個必須關注的議題"},{"start":12634.208,"end":12650.677,"text":"以這次書展來看有出版業者就寄出單本77折買3本以上還有另有折扣的優惠等等就連今年現象級的這個翻譯作品李涵紙筆翻譯的魔戒套書在書展的預購價都跟現在電商平台一樣的折扣都從定價2500下殺到1499"},{"start":12658.621,"end":12681.346,"text":"當然我們想說難道圖書折扣只是一個時事所趨的無奈嗎就是說面對勢力龐大的這種電商平台文化部要怎麼團結出版業者或者是書店業我們來促進更加健康或永續的這個所謂的商業環境有沒有辦法除了打折扣以外"},{"start":12682.557,"end":12693.325,"text":"我想從去年開始文化部事上是跟速發部是主動找平台業者跟出版業者大家在協商我們總是希望說不要進入一個折扣站的市場"},{"start":12694.775,"end":12700.461,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。"},{"start":12716.838,"end":12716.858,"text":"對,好"},{"start":12739.77,"end":12742.834,"text":"文化部應設置文化發展基金辦理事項涵蓋文化發展跟公共媒體可是文化發展基金成立至今"},{"start":12756.269,"end":12776.034,"text":"每次在預算書上都會特別說明財源相當有限那不過在行政院今年的施政方針裡頭卻有提到說完備文化法規體系充實文化發展經濟是重要的施政目標之一所以部長為了突破所謂財源不足的這個困境你有什麼規則"},{"start":12778.796,"end":12804.933,"text":"謝謝委員我想委員上一次的這個公務預算的這個修法大家就有期待說透過1%的公務預算那如果有免辦或者是不需要辦能夠來充實文化發展基金那有沒有充實當然是有但是可能沒有大家所想像的那麼多那這裡面有涉及到就是說這一次包括大家所關心的是不是有一些事實上是可以繳基金的我們應該有一些機制鼓勵他繳啦這是其一第二就是說這個"},{"start":12807.011,"end":12812.673,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。"},{"start":12837.449,"end":12837.689,"text":"有請部長"},{"start":12862.995,"end":12863.715,"text":"文化部長史哲列席報告"},{"start":12882.102,"end":12909.339,"text":"我剛才在下面有個問題我想先釐清因為是前面幾個委員有問的但是好像我聽到的是不同的那個答案所以我先確認一下這一點剛才洪孟凱委員他有提到周楚除三害然後羅廷偉委員也提到周楚除三害那布裡面這邊有沒有這個補助但是好像我聽到洪孟凱委員你跟他說有所以他要求你要做一些監督但是羅廷偉委員這邊你又說沒有"},{"start":12910.72,"end":12926.829,"text":"所以到底這個補助是有沒有跟委員報告一下孟侃委員是說文化部有沒有給予他補助文化部這件案子在應該是電影輔導金在審查是有給予他補助博聽衛委員問的是說文策院有沒有給予他進行投資"},{"start":12929.298,"end":12954.543,"text":"我所瞭解文車院沒有進行投資好的,謝謝接下來我先幫地方請命一下我們這個2006年就已經公告為國定遺址的這個鳳鼻頭截至目前為止好像它的這個用地徵收等等的一些後續的應該有的流程一直到建置博物館或文物館或展示廳不曉得目前的進度如何"},{"start":12955.003,"end":12955.363,"text":"主管委員會議"},{"start":12975.785,"end":12981.427,"text":"高雄市政府提過的一些計畫上來那在審議會之前也有一些意見有回去請他們再研議上來那裡面還有一些像民地徵收的問題可能這些地方還要做一些處理"},{"start":12993.047,"end":13020.105,"text":"是,那請這個部分積極處理好不好因為就我所知從我們把人家框成國定移植而且很大一塊然後截至目前為止一直都沒有再往前進所以地方也非常著急那人的一生也不是太長我想我應該很清楚啦就是我們都有處理過他其實關鍵核心的問題就是他的徵收費用非常的高對,如果是十幾年前可能比現在就減了大概現在已經又增加了五倍所以十幾年前就非常高"},{"start":13021.686,"end":13030.172,"text":"我們給人家框的也很大啊所以這個部分我們應該相互來做一個處理啦好那第三個部分是剛才吳委員這邊講到壯世代其實我蠻贊同這個概念的那不管他在哪一個部分講我覺得都應該被強化那我這邊其實心裡也有一些對於這個部裡面在文化幣的這個部分在112年你們補助了你們發放了這個針對18到21歲的文化幣然後在今年又要發放"},{"start":13049.705,"end":13066.551,"text":"十六到二十二歲我當然要幫壯世代講講話請問我們大概坐在這邊的大部分都跟這個年齡層應該是占的結構比例非常高文化部如何來處理今年是不是也給我們壯世代發禮金的這個問題"},{"start":13069.008,"end":13069.668,"text":"是黑潮計畫吧"},{"start":13098.991,"end":13105.31,"text":"你們沒有寫在黑草計畫裡面你們談到了台流六個面向應該是黑草的六個面向"},{"start":13107.426,"end":13135.365,"text":"他其實就是影視與文化科技那出版嘛然後以及這個文化創意跟這個視覺藝術以及所以是項目就對了不是領域是不同的領域是六個領域是六個領域是好因為沒有寫嘛我不太確定是不是原住民可能沒列然後這個台語又有就是是六個領域是六個領域好好好那這個部分是不是可以給我那個比較更清楚的一個書面呢是"},{"start":13136.366,"end":13138.391,"text":"我先省略掉這個好了我想請教一下部裡面如何處理ESG"},{"start":13147.1,"end":13169.854,"text":"大約分成幾個部分第一個是去年我們當然首次是跟金管會跟這個政交所是把ESG在文化上的這個項目是納入的評鑑跟計分啦所以我們是哪一些項目被納入評鑑跟計分只要是對文化有捐助或者是參與等等他基本上是在他的企業的ESG的總體報告裡面是可以被"},{"start":13170.734,"end":13172.636,"text":"二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日二天一次會議二月27日及28日"},{"start":13195.036,"end":13219.244,"text":"新的年度的這個評分手冊裡面有納入嘛這是一個第一步嘛因為過去可能做檢探做淨零這個可以納入加分嘛可是過去是連文化可以加分這件事情都沒有那現在至少文化已經被納入加分的項目了那我們希望進一步就是說透過跟證交所跟金管會能夠廣為宣達"},{"start":13221.965,"end":13248.667,"text":"因為其實企業可能很多都不知道是是是 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那還有沒有其他委員有意見或第一案 對 沒有齁 那大家同意解凍好 那我們第一案就與主委與動之提報願會好 那我們來討論第二案喔第二案是有關於文化部第三幕文化資源業務預算編列25億8476萬2千元凍結1000萬元委員有意見嗎 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我剛剛說了我們不斷在大家這些質詢都是在查文化幣怎麼樣查弊端等等但是我只要強調你不能夠讓善意的第三者來受害嘛網路有很多買賣有什麼東西那我剛剛說那些流程我只希望利用這個機會你給我一個回應可不可以立刻去做一些比如說對於我們這些已經有了像我們剛剛已經有這麼適時證據在這邊高雄獨立書店你可不可以讓他們更快的來做個解決我現在要跟委員承諾說您的"},{"start":14611.184,"end":14620.921,"text":"我們會後我們是不是來趕快做一個釐清好不好基本上我剛剛整今天所有的答詢包括對使用者對消費點我基本上都是希望採取比較輔導"},{"start":14623.087,"end":14627.031,"text":"三月多做一連串條列那麼多的事項出來就給人家一個好的一個效率的方法好不好趕快去做個承諾這也是對很多熟悉書店來配合你們的政策不要讓人家因此阻擋"},{"start":14649.97,"end":14650.971,"text":"三月二十九日已經是很難解決了"},{"start":14673.307,"end":14693.539,"text":"同樣是這個第三案因為我的提案是要求文化部嚴厲整合國內線上串流營平台的鼓勵具體措施規劃那這個部分你們有回答但我覺得答得有點太簡單那我知道就是我當時也是希望促成你們跟電信三雄能夠合作但是你們沒有特別的說明"},{"start":14694.359,"end":14711.407,"text":"這部分是不是可以給我辦公室一個一個補一個書面報告就是針對文策院跟電信三雄的鼓勵措施好嗎現在正在進行式當中因為它事實上這是一個大事它確實在公司治理上它需要一些程序啦因為之前我也有開過協調會就是希望能夠促成這件事我想這很重要好不好好 謝謝"},{"start":14713.578,"end":14725.509,"text":"好,那看起來同意解凍那我們就主語動之提報院會好,再來第4案第4案是有關於影視及流行音樂發展業務預算編列45億7524萬8千元凍結2800萬元好,我們請發言委員"},{"start":14732.628,"end":14753.126,"text":"第4案我有一個提案是要求文化部的旗下機關都要設性評小組那你們的報告還有財團法人等您報告就是有提到就是的確原本沒有的後來都有設常設性的性評工作小組那只是我看到你們的回覆中以公視為例那裡面寫每年至少召開一次會議"},{"start":14754.167,"end":14754.407,"text":"公視也要說明嗎?"},{"start":14783.271,"end":14795.1,"text":"公事有代表嗎?每季會一次齁?因為裡面寫說每年至少一次那我聽起來就覺得那這個就是流於形式了好 那謝謝部長那你給我一個簡單疏遠報告那這個我可以解凍好 謝謝"},{"start":14796.564,"end":14822.072,"text":"我們請柯智恩委員不好意思我還是有一些的想法像那個台灣Plus目前為止其實爭議蠻大的而且它最主要原因是要透過英文的頻道給大家來做一個廣大的宣傳可是部長你知道嗎目前為止這個台灣Plus裡面大概給全英文的頻道你知道嗎第一名看收視群最高的是台灣的大概在一半以上然後第二名是印度印度有30.7部長你知道嗎"},{"start":14824.52,"end":14851.955,"text":"那你這個是大內宣這個是要為國外來去做這個部分然後最重要是我在你的這個解凍的報告書上我沒有辦法看到對台灣Plus裡面有更細節的一個了解特別是它現在改為由公視來經營團隊轉到公視我不知道是不是整個績效有變更好那最主要原因它是應該是讓更多的國外的人能夠看到我們台灣的這些的文化他的績效一年比一年都有成長這時期的狀況"},{"start":14853.456,"end":14854.3,"text":"是不是請湯姆拉斯說明?"},{"start":14856.34,"end":14882.76,"text":"還有我先說一下一年漲10億但是數據其實蠻慘淡的啦然後呢你們還舉辦一些國際記者會啊然後目前為止還請我們的唐鳳部長用全新英文開設我只是強調說你現在在這個報告當中沒有讓我看到比較詳細的我所要了解的一些的資訊如果你可以給我提出更好的一個書面報告我才有辦法給我提供更多的資料我們可以用書面報告來完之後再來做一個解凍嗎?台灣Plus"},{"start":14884.86,"end":14908.477,"text":"因為錢是蠻多的,績效看起來也是常常被做一些批評,這些資料上面回答的並不完整。是不是先讓台灣Plus做個說明,好不好?來,謝謝,請說。報告委員,那個數據因為有包含頻道APP、YouTube跟這個IGAPP的使用,所以您剛所提的其實是部分,我們在頻道上來講是美國、印度、菲律賓都有觀眾在使用。"},{"start":14908.857,"end":14909.738,"text":"全都交給我,好不好?"},{"start":14937.859,"end":14939.521,"text":"第5案是藝術發展業務預算編列39億4980萬5千元凍結200萬元"},{"start":14967.981,"end":14985.13,"text":"要跟部長講一下我的這個案子是關於如何提升影視產業據說劇組的職業安全因為當時是發生了一些意外不幸的事件但是我對於這個部分就是我們影視及流行音樂產業局給的報告我覺得還蠻不滿意的因為好像在原地踏步就是你們從11年"},{"start":14992.153,"end":15009.35,"text":"就是一個評估推廣的階段然後到一個就是要這個評估推廣階段完才能夠有據說所謂的影視人員成為安全維護人才才能夠逐步推動由民間自主建立安全人才資料庫後續才能夠基礎形成第三方輔導監督機制"},{"start":15011.692,"end":15026.305,"text":"這個階段一直都沒辦法往前走耶因為還在第一個階段那11年到現在已經兩年了所以這個影視及流行音樂產業局這個部分就怎麼交代呢因為我覺得好像沒有進度"},{"start":15028.906,"end":15055.548,"text":"這個事情部長回應一下嗎范委員現在是討論第5案耶藝術發展業務我是第5案裡面的耶對沒錯可是第5案你剛提的都跟第5案比較沒有關係可是我的當時是被歸在這個第5案裡面耶對就是影視及流行音樂發展業務沒有沒有第5案是藝術發展業務喔喔第5幕喔抱歉那已經過了嗎"},{"start":15057.39,"end":15057.43,"text":"主席"},{"start":15074.482,"end":15086.846,"text":"好再來下一個案是第6案第6案是文化資產業務預算編列23億3144萬2千元凍結100萬元好我們請柯志恩委員只有100萬元啦部長但是呢我還是強調我剛所質詢的建國啤酒廠喔真的在2月的時候監委在2月的時候要來產開啟動調查我個人認為你這100萬跟你們文化部來說真的是非常非常小的case我可不可以等監委的調查報告"},{"start":15104.893,"end":15131.295,"text":"我還是很誠懇的希望這個建國品酒廠以文化人的一個高度它真的是一個被切割被分割我真的覺得要刀下留人所以說監委已經展開一個調查所以這100萬我個人認為說應該等交委報告完之後才應該來解凍但是最重要的原因我還是很懇請這個部長能夠對這些案件能夠多所了解因為真的很多的專家很多的學者很多的居民是對這件事情是非常有意見的我還是再一次的請部長能夠"},{"start":15132.856,"end":15160.019,"text":"能夠對這件事情能夠多出一個表態做出一個處理畢竟那是你是最高的文化資產的一個負責人是不是我是不是因為只有一百萬不定多一百萬而已啦你文化部這樣三千幾億都沒在怕沒有啦我是說沒有啦我是說三十幾億都沒在怕我是說多一百萬而已啦你的當監委呢二月的開始啟動調查他馬上調查報告出完之後這一百萬是不是才可以再來做後續的處理一百萬而已啦沒多多啦"},{"start":15161.952,"end":15180.112,"text":"八案直接通過,也讓人家覺得我們現在是太快速了啦,一百萬,可不可以?好理解,那需要更多的態度的呈現,發言一下我雖然不是教文的委員,但是去年在省政預算的時候我全程在場我今天八案其實我就是為了這一案來的"},{"start":15181.753,"end":15200.261,"text":"因為文化資產的辛苦它的經費就是一直是不夠的啦那我尊重知人委員對於個案建國皮球場的一些看法也就您監督您提出您的見解但是如果說要等監委因為我覺得監委就啟動它的程序去調查"},{"start":15200.981,"end":15203.124,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管．並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":15219.728,"end":15243.982,"text":"所以我是因為文化資產經費真的不夠不夠不夠珍姐你的意見我們都聽到了文化資產經費很不夠所以說對於文化的保留你更是應該強力來做監督這才符合你的目標跟你的真實如果黃國昌在場就說你插我話但沒關係我樂意被你插話我樂意被你插話我聲音沒有黃國昌那麼大我還聲音算是平順好聽"},{"start":15244.742,"end":15246.963,"text":"二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告"},{"start":15261.112,"end":15289.783,"text":"他完完全全的花很多時間去想就把這個事情水落石出提出一個好的政策方向的建議或者是不要再因為你要動其他OK文化資產好那我們做了一個部分我是不是在文化資產的部分特別是在建國比丘獎的部分我希望能夠文化部能夠還是有人能夠再跟本席來做一個討論文化部的態度文化部目前為止對這件事處置的方法我想文化部應該有聲音"},{"start":15290.803,"end":15303.708,"text":"這樣可不可以馬上請局長就會後趕快去約那個志恩委員的時間好不好他是非常理性問政的委員所以我現在還算是插話嗎不會很好你要定義是插話嗎插得好謝謝好那柯志文就同意解凍了好那我也"},{"start":15314.312,"end":15317.717,"text":"有關於文資修復永續性的問題我質詢過還是提醒一下我們其實真的要持續吸引年輕的建築師進來所以這個培育計畫要請文化部多支持"},{"start":15329.974,"end":15330.174,"text":"第7案"},{"start":15352.672,"end":15358.918,"text":"第7案是電影事業輔導預算編列9億2713萬元凍結100萬元沒意見齁好那我們就同意解凍準與凍之提報院會第8案第8案是廣播電視事業輔導預算編列9億8205萬2000元凍結100萬元"},{"start":15379.676,"end":15383.302,"text":"委員沒有意見 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前面有補一部分嘛對 在當初的所有的各縣市補助當中桃園是補助金額最高的那同時因為它是補助所以我們事實上有定期工程的督導匯報"},{"start":17081.324,"end":17098.232,"text":"事實上也是到這一兩天桃園還正式提出有關於經費不足的問題所以有關於經費不足的細項跟實質的內容部分我現在在這裡很難回答你的原因是因為我事實上都還要看到更多的資料我想文化部應該會用一個開放的心態來處理這個事畢竟可以促進地方的文化氣息好不好"},{"start":17098.735,"end":17124.18,"text":"我想如果有經費的話我想我們都會支持文化建設啦都會支持文化建設好不好這部分就希望文化部可以加大補助嘛因為好的規劃我們希望可以中央地方這不分黨派一起來成全啦我想這地方建設那當然我們會要求桃園市政府加速提供資料這個我們完全沒有問題這希望部長可以育成那第二件事情是跟一個文資有關我在你的報告裡面看到文資的保存一直是文化部非常重要的一個工作目標那龜山"},{"start":17125.6,"end":17152.409,"text":"本席的選區歸山有一個非常特別叫做張腦寮的磚窯場它被在文資調查之後它是認證是桃園唯一僅存的八卦窯有絕對的文資的意義那麼它所在位置的林口台地過去也曾經是磚窯的重鎮所以它不只有文資上的意義它也有城市記憶這樣子的一層意義在那特別的地方是這個磚窯場座落的地方剛好就在你可以看到圖上這個梯子路口的交口它剛好座落在計劃道路上"},{"start":17153.229,"end":17157.271,"text":"遇到這樣子的兩難的時候部長你占文化部的本位你覺得應該怎麼處理比較好因為我還沒有看到實質的狀況但他已經通過了所有的文資的審查他確定是文資的我現在是講說遇到這樣的時候怎麼因應"},{"start":17171.428,"end":17188.3,"text":"對,因為這個是歷史建築還是古蹟還是他是調查研究是什麼樣的狀況我們都還沒有看到我其實不一心意的對,他現在已經是歷史建築了對,我實際上我們了解清楚因為你的意思是說他擋在計畫道路上對,就遇到這種政策兩難的時候又要開馬路又碰到文資你作為文化部長你覺得應該哪一個優先"},{"start":17192.741,"end":17221.288,"text":"這個恐怕不能這樣子當然是文資優先不是我這個沒有下套沒有要害你的意思啦當然是文資優先你做文化部長對不對我們當然希望文資可以做保存嘛對不對那現在的問題是這樣這個東西幾經溝通啦後來他很有可能會變成一個很好的典範因為列了暫定古蹟啦現在這個地方簡單的一個時程表給這個部長做參考後來當初的最後大家商量討論的結果是道路用工程手段讓道"},{"start":17222.188,"end":17243.618,"text":"不管當初前朝有提出高價的版本現在市府就乾脆用地下維持住文資的版本中間開闢變成文資公園這個案子如果順利的成功它會是一個全國的典範也就是說這政府充分尊重了文資尊重了城市記憶也用工程的方式來達成了一個兩全其美的這樣子的一個結果"},{"start":17244.438,"end":17260.338,"text":"我現在就希望文化部長今天第一次聽到這個案例但我相信你回去做一下功課應該會覺得這案例是很有價值也很有意義的同樣這件事情跟我們美術館的題目一樣不分藍綠也不分黨派如果它是一個有積極意義的好的建設我希望中央在這中間有角色"},{"start":17260.979,"end":17262.1,"text":"二、處理及文化部部長史哲列席報告"},{"start":17292.404,"end":17295.112,"text":"事務請文化部長代表去好好研究一下我們針對這事好好討論好嗎?"},{"start":17296.172,"end":17324.017,"text":"好 謝謝我想初步這樣聽因為資料不是很清楚啦我當然非常同意就是說第一個文資優先那工程手段來解決因為文資它不只是一個優先選擇而它也是一個資源的配置對它是一個資源的配置沒有工源大家居民就會比較同意對不對對這個問題的回答我為什麼異常謹慎就是在這裡沒關係這個我尊重但是就因為今天第一次討論那後面就做一下研究我們針對這個個案來做研討我希望文化部有角色可以提供具體的資源一起來成就這件事好不好謝謝好部長辛苦了謝謝"},{"start":17326.122,"end":17332.024,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝牛委員。部長請回,那我們再接下來請麥玉珍委員。謝謝主席。有請文化部部長。好,有請部長。委員好。"},{"start":17355.97,"end":17370.813,"text":"部長好今天我想要請教一下說因為我們的文化部一直在推廣社區營造也有推廣新著名的社區營造但是我"},{"start":17371.514,"end":17379.981,"text":"今年好像就是沒有看到說我們在持續去推為了保障新住民文化的平權文化部應積極地推動多元文化交流還有通過文化交流學習體驗"},{"start":17386.687,"end":17398.673,"text":"才能達到互相尊重的文化的差異但是我們都一直是在被培訓但是沒有一個平台讓新住民發揮因為110年到今年我們有看到說"},{"start":17407.899,"end":17419.938,"text":"實施去推這個新住民的發展所以這個部分想要請教一下說如何達到就是文化平權還有就是文化的互相尊重"},{"start":17423.571,"end":17449.028,"text":"市場文化部每年都投入了至少超過1500萬在新住民的社區營造今年我們特別提升到部的層級希望能夠更統合資源所以對於新住民的文化平權不是沒有投入至於說委員特別提出有沒有長期規劃新住民義文成果的常態性的平台我想這個確實我們還要再繼續來發展"},{"start":17451.59,"end":17473.762,"text":"因為現在就是我們每一個部門都說要去栽培新住民給新住民機會也讓新住民可以去發揮但是現在目前都變成是新住民就變成專業學生了都是一直在學習學習後也沒有一個平台可以發揮文化交流文化互動是雙向的"},{"start":17475.203,"end":17479.705,"text":"要學以致用不是說我們都是變成一個學習的一個對象但是沒有發揮的對象這樣的話我們如何達到就是平等平權所以希望說我們的部長這邊有就是在1013、113年、14年這個部分是不是可以說有在推動還有說要編列一些預算讓我們的新住民在臺灣可以把我們的"},{"start":17504.713,"end":17510.376,"text":"文化做一個互動或者要發揮在我們臺灣因為來到臺灣的已經新住民已經有60萬人還有移工就是有七八十萬人所以這群人在臺灣我們為了臺灣的貢獻所以但是呢我們的工作壓力生活壓力就沒有一個平臺也沒有一個藝文中心"},{"start":17528.904,"end":17542.398,"text":"讓大家可以去做交流或者紓解壓力所以我們請部長是不是可以有用一個就是長期的一個平台讓就是協議之用也讓大家可以互相去了解不同的文化"},{"start":17543.066,"end":17572.586,"text":"好我想這個部分我們來可能要來做規劃研究思考一下我所了解當然縣市政府啦大部分都有新住民的這個新住民的服務中心是有但是說新住民要發展的一個一個藝文中心是完全是沒有的是現在是沒有沒有錯對所以說這個就是要拜託部長我們來研究一下看是不是在我們既有的文化設施或者是在文化相關的資源當中能夠來促成"},{"start":17573.046,"end":17573.766,"text":"二、處理及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．"},{"start":17601.783,"end":17616.496,"text":"好 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