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邀請部長請您部長"},{"start":14.089,"end":31.547,"text":"部長,首先我們來討論最近總統也下令各單位必須在一個禮拜內去清查各單位的霸凌事件是否有,那我們外交部目前清查的完整了嗎?"},{"start":33.231,"end":57.27,"text":"有清查而且我事實上在7月的時候我就有就是要求阿爺行文到外館針對有關職場霸凌我們除了保障同仁秘密檢取的這個陳情的這個信箱以外克責還有宣導同步在進行那對於如果有"},{"start":58.171,"end":86.311,"text":"好,那監察院在21號通過我駐聖保羅辦事處這個王組長的這個事情那也正式的糾正了外交部當然成立了霸凌的這個小組他認為是不成立在機關裡頭認為是不成立但是監察院裡頭綜合所有的事項他發覺這個代表出四個人鞭子一個人輕生兩個調回外交部"},{"start":87.905,"end":110.219,"text":"這個問題是的確有問題所以他認為這個監察院認為他的領導同意是有問題的所以在今年7月份通過了彈劾那在這樣的情況下本市要請教部長未來針對人事總署他所頒布的建議我們外交部是不是會如此也就是定定的整個"},{"start":111.019,"end":126.59,"text":"原工的職場霸凌防治與處理規範,同時原工職場霸凌處理的標準作業流程,也就是我們除了預防之外,我們當然不希望發生,但是發生之後他有申訴的"},{"start":130.754,"end":149.472,"text":"在整個的調查當中仍舊可以非常中立而且是不包庇的這樣子查出這個原因你是不是會依照人事總署所提的這個建議呢會就是因為這個會呢我們也希望要如此的做因為我們不希望再有這些事件的發生"},{"start":150.533,"end":171.472,"text":"同時也查出馮處長不管是職務或者是在辦公、採購方面都有一些糾局在這樣的情況之下目前請教你們到現在處置的情況究竟是如何來我們人事處長說明一下最新的處置"},{"start":176.976,"end":189.228,"text":"報告委員因為當初這個整個調查報告是聯通他的司法案件我們是全部都送到那個檢調單位去那對於監察院他所指的部分呢我們就會就虛心的檢討改進以上"},{"start":192.236,"end":218.732,"text":"需要進行檢討改進所以的確是有問題但是我們送的檢調這是依法去行政但是我還是建議部長我們內部的管控要怎麼樣機制去調整我覺得我不希望我們的外交部是漏氣的尤其在外管是很辛苦的那我們要怎麼樣讓他有靠山好的人才讓他能夠盡情發揮有爭議的他也應該要得到一個監督跟一個處置"},{"start":220.894,"end":231.987,"text":"委員所言,我們就是把外管這個彭處長調布,就先讓他離開,那後續的相關的處置"},{"start":235.05,"end":254.843,"text":"好,也將最後處置的方式,你們自己外交部怎麼處置,那也順便資料給本席。好,接下來本席要跟你討論的出國訪問的費用。那出國訪問的費用呢,你增加了大概這個1.6億,那超過了大概六成。所以呢請教,"},{"start":255.763,"end":268.37,"text":"除了我們全球的物價以及通膨的上漲匯率的變動匯差預算的增幅那麼本期要請教也就是說我們在這個總統預計在什麼時候要出訪"},{"start":274.368,"end":286.449,"text":"11月30日、12月6日這是你們所做的安排嗎?那當然我們非常希望太平洋的友邦我們也要謝謝總統辛苦的要如此做那會過境美國嗎?"},{"start":288.902,"end":309.798,"text":"出訪的事宜都已經初步宣布這是出訪的邦交國那其他就是我們由總統府方面因為美國也說會全力的協助我們那以往像蔡英文總統也都有過境啊韓英九總統也都有過境啊阿扁總統也都有過境啊那我們賴一清的總統會不會"},{"start":311.614,"end":336.287,"text":"在這一次的行程當中因為有關相關的訊息會在最快的時間再跟對外說明因為也涉及到一些跟相關的協商因為美國也表示他會全力的協助嘛AIT方面也曾經受訪他說如果有他們會願意來協助嘛對不對一向都如此所以要加油那麼請教因為以往總統上任520"},{"start":337.745,"end":360.697,"text":"一往總統上任委員比如說蔡英文總統她委員上任之後6月她就出訪中南美那麼阿扁總統以及這個馬英九總統歷任的總統他們大概也就在3個月內左右就在8月份他們兩位都在8月份就首度就出訪那鞏固我們的邦交國也為我們台灣來宣傳那我們賴清德總統為什麼會"},{"start":364.873,"end":383.474,"text":"有什麼障礙?或者有什麼考量?或者有什麼特殊的原因嗎?沒有什麼障礙。我覺得最主要是這一次邀請總統出訪的三個國家都是在南太平洋為主。那他們安排這個期間是三個國家都可以接待。"},{"start":384.595,"end":399.668,"text":"其他我想就是我們的朝就是在第一年內就是上任之後辦理出訪我們有這一次很完整所以本期告訴你以往的總統"},{"start":401.149,"end":430.102,"text":"那歷任的總統他們大概在什麼時間就出訪所以外界有一點質疑為什麼拖了半年現在才出訪那到底有什麼特殊的原因我們也希望在這一次的出訪能夠有一個很好的外交成果那麼也提點外交部我們並不是外面這個其他國家的邀請可以我們再走我方也應當隨時的主動在什麼樣的情況之下能夠為我們台灣來加分對不對"},{"start":431.042,"end":445.518,"text":"對,特別南泰這三個國家都來參加我們總統的就職典禮那也就是今年的選舉啦,年初到年尾包括一個國家是最近才選完所以我們就把它安排在這個...那部長你現在講到的這個最近全球都在選舉那所以我們繼續討論"},{"start":448.541,"end":450.642,"text":"國際會議及交流協助各種的這個國際交流活動那這個當中呢你編列了11.8億左右特別有一項也就是推動以及"},{"start":467.893,"end":488.88,"text":"支助各項國際交流的這個活動當中這個項目11億多那另外特別在國際會議以及交流訪兵接待訪兵接待的這個部分你是編列了5.4億左右5.4億當然就是要接待外賓那比這個110現在進行式的增加1億多"},{"start":489.62,"end":517.926,"text":"一億多那等於是增加兩成多的預算那當然全球現在進行全國性的選舉所以各個國家的一個政治動向對於我們外交來講我相信外交部同仁也都非常努力在跟這個全世界的脈動在聯繫也是掌控這個選後的政治的這個意向那所以本期要請教我們多了這個一億多"},{"start":518.886,"end":519.527,"text":"謝謝委員吼"},{"start":538.106,"end":554.225,"text":"因為我發現說其實邀訪是最好的KPI我們現在預算過去太少導致我們的一些外管比如說歐洲有30個管處他們有一些管處邀請不到對象那你就沒有辦法去了解這個管處到底有沒有好好的去經營所以請教"},{"start":555.186,"end":579.899,"text":"所以我就增加預算喔 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