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良貿易紀錄、共識決，那個共識決過去被認為只要一個國家反對成立工作小組就反對，現在經過加拿大今年輪值主席國的解釋，要基於效率，就是你不能為了反對，結果CPTPP就此停擺，那開啟了所謂的pre-consultation，在工作小組之前就可以雙邊諮商，我們就今年積極去諮商。我跟委員報告，有11個國家……"],["邱委員志偉：那個我覺得有一點……因為其實我都全盤掌握。"],["林部長佳龍：基本上我們諮商的對象都是很正面，可是政治的因素也不能不考慮，可是並沒有像媒體報導的：去反對臺灣，因為臺灣的條件是最符合的，如果有什麼樣的干擾，那是政治，那是干擾者的問題。"],["邱委員志偉：高標準的條件我們完全符合嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：對，我們跟美國都簽21世紀貿易倡議。"],["邱委員志偉：但是共識決是每一個會員國都要同意，對不對？都要支持。"],["林部長佳龍：同意是針對最後的結果同不同意，不能在程序上去卡別人。"],["邱委員志偉：是。"],["林部長佳龍：我們現在是掛號了，但是是不是受理之後去成立一個審查小組，現在是在這個階段，所以並不是其他國家現在成立工作小組就一定會走完……"],["邱委員志偉：對，所以……"],["林部長佳龍：也不是我們走得慢後來就會走不到，我是覺得這個是並進的過程。"],["邱委員志偉：我提這個問題是希望外交部能夠跟經濟部、跟談判辦公室更加努力。"],["林部長佳龍：是。"],["邱委員志偉：目前遇到困難要加強力道、加強諮詢、加強能力去處理。","第二個問題……"],["林部長佳龍：我是跟委員說明，其實很多現在講的國家，私底下都跟我們講他們不會反對……"],["邱委員志偉：我還有16秒的時間，我們私底下再討論……"],["林部長佳龍：但是如果我們能夠得到更多有力的支持，那會更順利。"],["邱委員志偉：我們相信，我們也有信心，但是要全力以赴。"],["林部長佳龍：好。"],["邱委員志偉：另外外館的領導統御，比如經貿組、文化組，相關人員如果受到他們長官的霸凌，他第一個申述管道是找館長嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：館長就是要負責整個館務，當然是……"],["邱委員志偉：我覺得這個部會的本位主義要把它放掉，在前線作戰，館長是前線指揮官，不管是經貿組、文化組還是科技組，你當然要聽館長的。"],["林部長佳龍：是。"],["邱委員志偉：考績也要聽館長的啊！所以如果他在前線，比如經貿組、外交組受到霸凌，那第一個當然是找館長，館長應該馬上處理，而不是回過頭來找他所屬的部會，這個部分你再……","我要示範一下什麼叫精準質詢，時間到了，你再用書面給我。"],["林部長佳龍：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝邱志偉委員，部長請回。","接下來請葉元之委員上台質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":150,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-19","speakers":["林憶君","羅美玲","陳冠廷","王定宇","林楚茵","馬文君","徐巧芯","賴士葆","黃國昌","楊瓊瓔","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","羅廷瑋","羅智強","邱志偉","葉元之","沈伯洋","黃仁","王鴻薇"],"page_start":97,"meetingDate":["2024-11-28"],"gazette_id":"11310701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310701_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議（含秘密會議）紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分（僅詢答）；二、繼續\n處理院會交付外交部113年度中央政府總預算決議（十八）「對外之捐助」預算凍結100萬元案","agenda_id":"11310701_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}