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們的經理組長跟副組長在疫情期間的居家辦公竟然受到刁難那主管的冷暴率導致公務同仁需要看身心科所以呢"},{"start":250.965,"end":279.015,"text":"這都不包括我在外交部還質詢的另外三個案子所以您看到的是光是我這裡我只是其中113位委員的其中一員我們所收到在整個公務體系裡面的稱情幾乎是跨部會的所以我想要問就是說您應該很理解為什麼公務人員他們受到霸凌的時候沒有辦法像私部門這樣子就我兩手一攤我辭職我去下一個單位"},{"start":279.995,"end":298.855,"text":"因為私部門他們是勞保所以我今天辭了職我到其他的單位再上班的時候我依然能夠繼續我的勞保可是公務人員他們是好不容易考高普考考上的他們就是希望能夠借滿然後呢退休之後有一份好的保障"},{"start":299.415,"end":316.863,"text":"所以他們幾乎都是忍辱負重頂多是調職那非常難以有這個辭職的情況所以每一次被霸凌的時候都是敢怒不敢言一直到了這一次有極端事件的發生他們才敢勇於的稍稍的告訴我們"},{"start":317.423,"end":344.12,"text":"原來公務體系裡面存在這樣子嚴重的霸凌事件所以第一個問題想要問您的就是呂強次請問從考試委員的這樣子的一個觀點您覺得我們有什麼樣的辦法能夠修正相關的制度讓這種所謂的公家單位裡面的霸凌行為能夠被遏止或者是說相關的申訴管道真的能夠發揮效用"},{"start":346.528,"end":372.984,"text":"是 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