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那我們下一位"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:12:05.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:12:08.355000+08:00","text":"主席，我們請副秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-04T10:12:08.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:12:08.915000+08:00","text":"麻煩副秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:12:08.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:12:09.075000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:12:12.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:12:28.545000+08:00","text":"副秘書長辛苦了，今天臨危受命，在這裡我不知道你是不是能夠回答所有的問題，不過我希望能夠儘量回答，如果你沒有辦法回答，就請同仁上來協助。謝謝。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:12:33.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:13:21.396000+08:00","text":"今天是討論有關114年度中央政府總預算案有關立法院主管收支部分，所以我就預算的部分來跟副秘書長討論，我們立法院組織法第三十二條在112年12月18日三讀通過有關公費助理實施健康檢查，明定入法，也就是在112年12月18日將其明定入法；也明定在114年1月1日開始實施，也就是說，再過不到一個月我們就要開始實施公費助理健康檢查補助，副秘書長，對不對？沒錯。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:13:21.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:13:56.639000+08:00","text":"目前這個資訊你們有沒有透過各種方式公告周知，讓所有的黨團以及公費助理了解，在114年1月1號，也就是不到一個月之後，就可以申請健康檢查補助，包括它申請的程序如何、怎麼樣辦理申請、可以申請多少補助等等相關資訊的宣導跟告知，你們有做嗎？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:13:57.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:12.663000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，公費助理實施健康檢查補助要點113年5月9號院長已經核定了，也就是剛剛委員說的，從今年1月1號開始施行，這個要點在113年5月10號已經函送本院全體委員還有各黨團……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:12.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:33.461000+08:00","text":"我知道要點通過了，我的意思是說，還不到一個月就要實施了，你們用什麼方式來宣導，讓立法院所有的公費助理大家知道，從1月開始可以申請健康檢查補助，包括如何申請、向誰申請等等，這個你們有做宣導嗎？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:33.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:37.123000+08:00","text":"我們之前已經有行文過，現在我們會再次行文來做宣導。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:37.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:38.464000+08:00","text":"你們行文給誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:38.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:39.724000+08:00","text":"助理公會？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:39.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:41.205000+08:00","text":"全體委員還有各黨團都知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:41.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:45.187000+08:00","text":"全體委員的部分好像沒有，你們好像是行文給助理公會。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:45.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:46.508000+08:00","text":"有，我請處長來說明。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:48.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:55.777000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們有行文給全體委員辦公室跟黨團辦公室，這個已經行文過了。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:55.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:56.257000+08:00","text":"什麼時候行文的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:14:57.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:14:59.998000+08:00","text":"健康檢查是今年5月……不是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:00.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:04.840000+08:00","text":"我是問什麼時候行文，不是問要點通過的時間。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:04.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:05.840000+08:00","text":"也是5月10日……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:05.400000+08:00","text":"要點通過之後你們就行文？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:07.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:07.661000+08:00","text":"對、對，沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:07.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:11.282000+08:00","text":"我們預計在明年度開始實施之前，我們會再……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:11.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:11.862000+08:00","text":"就是現在！","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:12.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:13.603000+08:00","text":"明年度開始實施剩不到一個月！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:14.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:15.504000+08:00","text":"我們會再度行文給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:16.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:17.685000+08:00","text":"剩不到一個月，今天已經12月4日了。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:17.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:17.746000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快行文。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:17.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:48.132000+08:00","text":"不好意思，這個實施要點的第二點第三項提到補助對象、補助金額、補助次數及補助人數，其中，你們在補助人數裡說，每年以各委員及黨團得聘用公費助理法定員額上限之半數為補助上限。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:48.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:50.014000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:50.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:55.418000+08:00","text":"為什麼設定半數，只有一半的助理可以申請？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:55.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:15:56.138000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:15:56.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:01.682000+08:00","text":"這是比照公務人員，當初的訂法是比照公務人員健康檢查來實施辦理……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:02.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:03.263000+08:00","text":"也就是說如果……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:04.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:08.667000+08:00","text":"每兩年一次，因為公務人員健檢每兩年一次……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:09.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:09.647000+08:00","text":"每兩年一次？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:11.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:14.611000+08:00","text":"但要點裡有規定兩年才能申請一次嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:15.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:20.016000+08:00","text":"沒有，但我們的經費編列就會用半數，就像我們職工……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:20.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:26.482000+08:00","text":"既然你們沒有規定兩年才可以申請一次補助，所以理論上是每年都可以申請補助，對不對？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:26.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:29.504000+08:00","text":"對，但在經費編列上就不會足額……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:29.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:30.726000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:30.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:32.187000+08:00","text":"因為兩年一次……不是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:32.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:33.668000+08:00","text":"你們兩年一次的依據在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:35.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:41.718000+08:00","text":"這是參照公務人員的健檢方式，我們現在也是兩年辦理一次健檢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:41.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:47.565000+08:00","text":"雖然是兩年一次，但一個人可不可以兩年都申請？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:47.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:48.006000+08:00","text":"不行、不行，我們是規定……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:48.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:48.827000+08:00","text":"不行的規定在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:52.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:54.440000+08:00","text":"公教員工有相關規定……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:55.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:56.181000+08:00","text":"把規定拿出來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:56.181000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:57.181000+08:00","text":"我們會後是不是……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:57.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:16:58.422000+08:00","text":"我就是要看規定，因為我覺得很納悶。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:16:59.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:02.806000+08:00","text":"是，我們會後再送給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:02.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:04.467000+08:00","text":"把規定拿出來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:04.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:05.467000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:04.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:12.532000+08:00","text":"編列半數，但你們也沒有規定公費助理兩年才可以申請補助一次，你們卻只編列了半數。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:14.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:17.400000+08:00","text":"我們會後把規定送給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:18.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:19.081000+08:00","text":"我接著要看你們的預算。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:20.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:37.055000+08:00","text":"這是明年度新增的，結果你們把有關健康檢查的預算跟員工調整待遇的預算放在一起，在同一個項下，對不對？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:37.055000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:40.414000+08:00","text":"健檢部分嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃處長瑞月","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:40.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:17:45.157000+08:00","text":"我們放在公費助理的科目項下。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:17:45.257000+08:00","guessed":fa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。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:20:34.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:20:37.896000+08:00","text":"剛剛其他委員也有關注到這個問題，基本上我們會多宣導。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:20:38.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:20:41.939000+08:00","text":"接著我要跟你確認一下時間。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:20:43.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:20:53.307000+08:00","text":"在去年9月，立法院新成立了國際事務處，對不對？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:20:53.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:20:58.411000+08:00","text":"去年9月成立了立法院國際事務處，對不對？對。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:20:58.411000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:07.316667+08:00","text":"既然是去年9月成立的，所以理論上今年的預算就必須呈現。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:07.316667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:16.222333+08:00","text":"但可能是因為9月掛牌，使你們來不及呈現預算，因此去年跟秘書處混在一起編，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:16.222333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:25.128000+08:00","text":"把秘書處、國際事務處兩個主管機關的費用都放在同一個項目裡，今年才把國際事務處獨立出來編列，對不對？","quality":0.089},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:25.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:32.731000+08:00","text":"今年你們把國際事務處的預算區分成兩個部分，一個是一般行政，另外一個是國會交流事務，對不對？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:32.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:33.291000+08:00","text":"就分成這兩部分？沒錯。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:34.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:21:52.997000+08:00","text":"在一般行政部分，過去是跟秘書處一起編在公共關係等秘書業務經費1,000萬，今年成立國際事務處之後為1,191萬，將近1,200萬，大概增加一百九十一萬左右，這是一般行政費用。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:21:53.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:24.240000+08:00","text":"但在國會交流事務上，去年是和秘書處混編在國際交流事務經費，為4,160萬，今年增加到6,759萬，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:22:32.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:33.364000+08:00","text":"為什麼增加這麼多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:22:33.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:42.291000+08:00","text":"增加了將近兩千六百萬、2,599萬的國際交流事務經費，為什麼增加這麼多？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2024-12-04T10:22:42.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:43.272000+08:00","text":"是不是請國際處林處長回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:22:43.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:46.982000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關國會交流事務經費，下年度（114年）增編的部分有三大塊：第一大塊就是今年3月由副院長率跨黨派立委到日本參加亞太國會議員聯誼會，這個活動我們爭取到……","quality":0.029},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:22:46.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:22:47.323000+08:00","text":"不是，我是問為什麼增加？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:05.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:05.804000+08:00","text":"為什麼增加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:06.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:15.915000+08:00","text":"分成三大項，一個是國際論壇，明年我們臺灣立法院是APPU亞太國會議員聯誼會的主辦國，所以我們編了1,000萬。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:15.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:20.441000+08:00","text":"這是一個大型的國際會議，大概有近百個國會議員到臺灣來。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:20.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:22.203000+08:00","text":"這部分增加1,000萬？是、是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:22.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:23.424000+08:00","text":"但你們總共增加近2,600萬？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:23.424000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:25.166000+08:00","text":"另外一部分是有關……","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:25.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:25.366000+08:00","text":"還有1,600萬增加在哪裡？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:25.366000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.366000+08:00","text":"到立法院參訪外賓的接待部分。因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:25.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.127000+08:00","text":"接待部分增加1,600萬？沒有。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:27.127000+08:00","text":"接待部分是增加999萬，包括院裡面的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.367000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:27.367000+08:00","text":"款宴餐費、酒水、禮品，還有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:27.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:28.367000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:28.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:29.367000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:29.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:30.367000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:26.768000+08:00","text":"為什麼增加這麼多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:46.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:23:57.452000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，到今年11月30日止，立法院已經接待55國、175團、1,984人次……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:23:57.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:04.117000+08:00","text":"也就是說，你們認為過去這麼多年來編列的預算不夠，所以在明年度預算增加了1,500萬？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:04.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:04.197000+08:00","text":"先扣掉剛剛講的1,000萬？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:04.197000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:05.606333+08:00","text":"999萬，有關接待外賓到立法院訪問的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:05.606333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:07.015667+08:00","text":"再增加999萬？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:07.015667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:08.425000+08:00","text":"現在世界各……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:08.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:09.807000+08:00","text":"韓院長上任之後，在接待外賓這部分增加了將近1,000萬的經費？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:21.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:26.466000+08:00","text":"去年是164團，今年到11月底已經有175團，人數……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:26.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:30.089000+08:00","text":"你剛剛說要辦理國際論壇，有沒有提供業務計畫給立法院？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:31.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:36.874000+08:00","text":"等外交部跟日方秘書處給我們相關資料後，我們會呈報。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:36.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:43.833000+08:00","text":"你們編列了1,000萬的預算，結果在預算審查時連業務計畫都沒有，是不是？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:44.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:47.636000+08:00","text":"你們連業務計畫都沒有提供就要1,000萬？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:47.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:49.057000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們是參照去年……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:49.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:24:50.178000+08:00","text":"我時間到了啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:24:51.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:00.125000+08:00","text":"你編列新增過去沒有的項目，你新增辦理這個論壇，你增加了1,000萬的預算，你就應該要有業務報告啊！","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:00.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:02.926000+08:00","text":"你說這個業務報告要等外交部相關的經費，但是你們怎麼算這1,000萬，你還是要有業務計畫啊！","quality":0.342},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:02.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:03.926000+08:00","text":"我們是依據去年本院辦理國際宗教自由……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:03.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:04.926000+08:00","text":"在哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:04.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:05.926000+08:00","text":"在預算書看得到嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:05.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:06.926000+08:00","text":"在本委員會看得到嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:06.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:07.926000+08:00","text":"預算審查過程中，你們有提出來嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林處長晨富","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:07.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:08.926000+08:00","text":"我們事後再提供委員辦公室詳細的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:08.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:09.926000+08:00","text":"什麼事後？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:09.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:10.926000+08:00","text":"在預算審查的時候，你們就要提出來了啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:04.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:04.107000+08:00","text":"好不好？是。謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:04.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:11.178429+08:00","text":"我們下一位請林月琴委員、林月琴委員、林月琴委員不在。","quality":0.217},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:11.478429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:14.335571+08:00","text":"那再請鄭天財委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-12-04T10:25:14.635571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-12-04T10:25:21.492714+08:00","text":"我先宣告一下，在羅智強委員發言完畢之後，我們休息5分鐘。","quality":0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