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預算有關文化部主管預算公用預算解讀案8案本人議程採綜合詢答由委員陳秀寶等22人提出質詢均經文化部部長史哲及相關人員即席答覆說明另有委員吳春城等3人提出書面質詢決議已報告及詢談完畢陸委員所提書面質詢或相關資料6記錄並看到公報3隊委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分"},{"start":1809.657,"end":1834.211,"text":"請相關機關競訴委書面答覆。4.113年度中央政府總醫醫生有關文化部主管醫生公務醫生解凍案8案審查完均均準與動之提報宣會。透過臨時提案2項3月28日報告事項。河南安全委員會主任委員陳東陽列席報告又該況並備質詢。本議程由委員侯孟凱等17人提出質詢。均經河南安全委員會主任委員陳東陽及相關人員及其答覆說明。"},{"start":1834.851,"end":1848.542,"text":"內容委員吳川澄等二委員提出書面質詢．決定一報告及詢討完畢二委員首提書面質詢或相關資料又記錄並刊登公報三對委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分請相關機關盡數以書面答覆宣讀完畢"},{"start":1853.223,"end":1882.322,"text":"因為我們在場的委員未達決議人數的三人所以我們的議事錄暫時不確定那我們今天特別邀請到教育部次長林滕角林次長率體育署的列席就完善國家代表隊選手的權利義務還有健全我國運動產業的環境來進行專案報告並備質詢那我們首先介紹在場的委員我們其次再介紹與會的官員我們是有洪孟凱委員"},{"start":1886.305,"end":1907.878,"text":"謝謝那接下來是教育部的常務次長林騰角林次長還有我們體育部的我們的鄭士忠正署長還有兩位就是我們運動訓練中心的執行長還有運動科學中心的兩位執行長目前正卡在高鐵上好不好我們就就予以暫時就沒有出席等一下他們應該會趕上來"},{"start":1910.055,"end":1910.175,"text":"致電報告時間10分鐘"},{"start":1941.041,"end":1966.436,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生大家好近日應邀列席大院教育文化委員會第6次全體委員會議．針對《完善國家代表隊選手權利義務及健全我國運動產業環境》進行專案報告．在此進行檢要報告．並請各位委員予以指證與支持首先就《完善國家代表隊選手權利義務》報告如下"},{"start":1967.416,"end":1978.146,"text":"為了落實國家代表隊選訓賽制度之監督機制本部體育署依據《國民體育法》第21條第二項授權訂定國家代表隊教練與選手選拔培訓及參賽處理辦法及我國參加國際綜合性運動賽會國家代表隊培訓參賽實施計畫並督導各協會本於公平公正公開專業之原則建立國家代表隊選拔"},{"start":1993.119,"end":1997.743,"text":"選手選拔培訓及參賽機制各組訓單位提報培訓參賽實施計畫教練選手臨選辦法並報經本部體育署備查或辦理公告並據以辦理選拔入選名單應"},{"start":2008.473,"end":2023.703,"text":"先提經協會選訓委員會,審議符合領選辦法後,使得韓報國訓中心調訓教練選手。其次,針對培訓期間的生活及完善照顧部分,進駐國訓中心培訓期間參賽及訓練的相關費用,"},{"start":2029.426,"end":2029.486,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":2048.686,"end":2055.47,"text":"每個月加發3000至10000元等加擠,前述費用適時主動檢討並滾動調升。另外,在園區的環境優化部分來完善照顧選手實住行。"},{"start":2064.935,"end":2093.928,"text":"在訓練場館的優化部分提供國家代表隊優質的訓練環境在生活環境的優化方面109年落成啟用新建宿舍採取飯店室的管理提供教練選手優質居住生活空間與用餐品質同時在109年落成啟用之新餐廳在111年成為GHP及HACCP雙認證之公善場所"},{"start":2094.548,"end":2115.958,"text":"在每週自主快篩檢驗．每月委託第三方實驗室檢驗機構進行實材把關．針對蘇丹紅食安事件亦自主下架相關醬料及加工品．以確保食的安全．在資訊服務強化部分．於宿舍及訓練場館提供實機內部的光纖骨幹及5G無線網路等"},{"start":2120.39,"end":2120.55,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":2143.815,"end":2168.164,"text":"解決教練選手在訓練上的問題,以提升選手的運動表現。另外,在參賽期間的後勤資源規劃部分,對於運動員的保險保障,體育署、輔導、協會在選手培訓及參賽期間,皆依規定投保公共意外責任險、健康保險、傷害保險及短期失能等保險項目,以保障選手的權利。"},{"start":2168.704,"end":2197.268,"text":"同時在參賽的後勤資源與準備方面以2024巴黎奧運為例為了提供最完整的後勤資源除過往賽時與醫護後勤資源的服務外亦規劃中繼站擴大提供後勤與運動科學資源包含設立賽中工作資源團租用飯店給入城教員的代表隊使用租用專業空間及擴大後勤與運科資源服務等"},{"start":2197.788,"end":2208.737,"text":"另於人力部分適當爭執編配運動心理諮商人員、營養師、禽獸等運客支援人力,全力協助選手參賽。另外,針對職業運動員、單人國家代表隊選手的權益保障部分,"},{"start":2214.741,"end":2226.575,"text":"在國家隊長期培訓及後勤支援、輔導主訓單位,擬定國家隊長期主訓計畫,包含勤收、防護、體能訓練、運科監控及邀請國際優秀教練來台指導,並將相關規劃細節及選手權利義務向"},{"start":2233.283,"end":2251.028,"text":"教練選手充分說明,另外,針對職業運動員的保險部分,因應職業運動員擔任國家代表隊時,面臨投保之短期失能保險給付與其得健康出賽獲取薪資的差額,"},{"start":2252.028,"end":2263.231,"text":"本部體育署克正原理補充商業保險不足的機制,針對有關初賽費的部分,有關國際總會給予的參賽費分潤以及舉辦賽事營餘分潤部分,未來應與賽前與選手充分溝通說明,請選手得以賽前掌握初賽費相關訊息。"},{"start":2277.472,"end":2303.741,"text":"那在運動員的契約的部分在徵詢選手擔任代表隊出賽之意見搜尋階段透過選手與協會共同簽署協議書的方式明確訂定權利義務使得選手可以在賽銜之西參與代表隊之各項權利義務同時為了釐清選手跟協會權利義務關係克正委託學者專家協助邀請利害關係人召開資訊座談會議並撰擬契約範本公餐"},{"start":2307.142,"end":2332.766,"text":"同時也在113年4月2日也召開了團體協約與運動員權利保障經驗分享會議邀請中華職棒分享職棒團體協約嚴定過程並邀請法律專家提供法律的見解就第二大部分就有關健全我國運動產業環境報告如下分成幾個部分"},{"start":2333.266,"end":2336.99,"text":"引進民間資源與政務攜手投入體育運動發展部份,為鼓勵民間支持運動、體育運動,促進營造運動產業,良好經營環境。運動產業發展條例第26條自101年3月施行,針對企業捐贈體育運動發展之四項,"},{"start":2356.309,"end":2381.447,"text":"以及擴大各類運動項目之優秀潛力選手依註相關的資源在106年11月29日也公布了運動產業發展條例第26條之一個人透過本部體育署專戶指定或未指定捐贈運動員可作為申報綜合所得稅之列舉扣除額項目又為了推動業餘運動"},{"start":2383.308,"end":2407.21,"text":"加速職業化協助重點運動賽事的舉辦在110年12月22日也公布增訂了運動產業發展條例第26條之二規定營利事業透過專戶的捐贈得於申報所得稅時最高按捐贈金額150%至其營利事業所得額中減除此外為了鼓勵民間贊助體育運動"},{"start":2410.033,"end":2428.45,"text":"獎勵長期奉獻與熱心推展體育、運動之法人、團體及自然本部自1998年起每一年辦理體育推手獎表揚的活動第二部分在運動賽事或活動黃牛票券的防治機制的部分為了維護民眾觀賞運動賽事或活動的權利確保"},{"start":2432.754,"end":2440.019,"text":"票券正常流通運動產業發展條例徵定第24條之一條文經大院在112年12月15日三讀通過總統在113年1月3日公布此外在113年2月29日也訂定發布運動賽事或活動票券違規案件檢舉處理及獎勵辦法及運動產業發展條例第24條之一第二項裁罰基準"},{"start":2463.215,"end":2476.474,"text":"以立地方主管機關具以執法．另為有效且快速受理檢舉案件．民眾得競向運動賽事或活動舉辦地．所轄地方主管機關進行檢舉．考量民眾檢舉時．"},{"start":2478.777,"end":2487.706,"text":"有判別運動賽事或活動舉辦地所轄地方主管機關不義之情形本部以建制檢指檢舉黃油專區及客戶專線並視檢舉運動賽事或活動之舉辦地分案予以"},{"start":2494.072,"end":2510.037,"text":"所轄的地方主管機關進行查處。至於在運動賽事的防堵機制部分,在去年10月份職籃選手發生疑似打假球的事件,本部體育署也召開了跨部會的會議,建立防堵機制平台並確立分工。"},{"start":2510.917,"end":2530.266,"text":"防堵措施包含成立全國跨轄區專案小組實施查緝職男不法事件專案行動建立異常賽事聯繫通報機制及嚴定高道德標準處罰的規範同時為了建立運動賽事防堵的機制後續的防堵面"},{"start":2530.686,"end":2545.382,"text":"也擴及到涵蓋業餘的企業賽事包含了對於賽事前、賽事中以及賽事後的相關的一個處置的相關的機制為了提升我國培訓量"},{"start":2545.942,"end":2571.318,"text":"我國體育署將協同國訓中心以及運科中心依法建立公平公正公開的營選機制並透過選手待遇的提升運動環境的改善及運動科學資源量量的強化完善對於選手培訓的保障參賽時透過保險及候群的支援讓選手得以無後顧之憂在場上拼搏對於職業運動員擔任國家代表隊選手之候群支援及保障將持續與輔導協會強化溝通管道利害關係人參與明確"},{"start":2575.481,"end":2588.367,"text":"明定權利義務等方式．辦理主性作業及保險措施．以確保選手的權利以上的報告．詳細內容再請各位委員參閱書面報告．並祝各位委員健康如意謝謝"},{"start":2599.039,"end":2606.286,"text":"好沒有沒有好謝謝那我們現在呢就是每位出席委員質詢的時間是8分鐘必要的時候延長2分鐘列席委員質詢的時間是4分鐘那發言登記時間截止的時間是上午10點30分"},{"start":2615.755,"end":2634.768,"text":"如果委員有臨時提案,請在上午10點30分前提出。必須委員會張雅玲委員質詢結束之後,我們就要立刻進行來處理。處理提案的時候,若提案委員還有連署的委員軍不在場,我們原力不予處理。那我們首先就請發言登記第一位的洪孟楷委員質詢。"},{"start":2644.249,"end":2648.192,"text":"主席謝謝麻煩請次長跟署長好 次長跟署長請好 鳳爺好好 次長 署長之前有看到說藍鞋啊他們在內部開會的時候居然有講是說那國手打不好要懲處啊後來藍鞋是出來講是說這是個別代表意見啊並不是最後的一個結論啊但是馬上就讓國人炸鍋欸覺得是說哇我們現在國手是"},{"start":2671.226,"end":2697.021,"text":"大家藍協或是我們的相關單位是慣老闆嗎?就是說這個選手去打比賽你可能出場費都還不知道有沒有然後結果打不好居然還要懲處有沒有這樣的事情還是我們未來會不會有這樣這是我們這個上級機關的態度嗎?跟委員報告一下我想那個藍協個別的人員的這個相關意見那這個部分並沒有納入你認同嗎?"},{"start":2698.462,"end":2726.648,"text":"你認同這樣的態度嗎?應該是不認同這樣子的一個說法那我們應該是更和諧的方式來處理狗肝小肝的事情而且每一位選手我想只要能夠披上中華隊的戰袍不管是大小賽事、國內國外賽事都一定是拼盡全力、全力以赴拿到獎牌這個是至少無上光榮打不好有很多的因素但如果說打不好的話就是究責那下一次誰要願意披上這個戰袍"},{"start":2727.711,"end":2752.422,"text":"那再者好像是慣老闆就是你有收益的時候我才要付薪水這樣子我想是不對的所以次長未來我們應該不會有任何的這個協會或是說我們的中央機關會還有這樣的一個思維或想法吧應該是不會有這樣子的思維跟想法還要那麼不確定不能夠有這樣子的思維跟想法來那我再請教"},{"start":2753.602,"end":2778.016,"text":"你們今天討論裡面有講到是說出賽費的部分出賽費某種程度上本席的理解以及我們國民體育法第21條其實當初的立法精神它比較像是一個出賽的基本薪資的概念嘛它不是獎金喔獎金是另外的獎金出賽費是說我今天出場一場球賽可能五千塊一萬塊的一個車馬費補貼它是出賽費"},{"start":2781.701,"end":2800.799,"text":"那我們在第4頁你的出賽費還要講說未來應在賽前跟選手溝通說明讓選手得以賽前掌握出賽費的相關資訊那到底是要給選手還是不給選手跟委員報告一下依照國民體育法第21條對是的如果是特定體育團體舉辦或參與這個收益的這個商業性賽事時應該出乎選手的出賽費是"},{"start":2807.725,"end":2832.423,"text":"那就有一個盲點到底是有盈餘有獲利才要給予出賽費還是這個球賽只要賣票就要給出賽費當初的立法精神是什麼如果它是獲有門票、廣告、媒體收入、其他商業性質的收入而且盈餘的時候而且有盈餘嗎立法精神是而且有盈餘嗎這個是在我們的執法實行細則第7條是有這樣子的一個規定"},{"start":2835.687,"end":2847.364,"text":"我們當初的立法精神此法不能逾越母法國民體育法第21條寫的第4款寫得清清楚楚明明白白就是當初的立法精神我們講了"},{"start":2851.977,"end":2870.938,"text":"主管機關應該按照國際運動賽會制定國家代表隊培訓及參賽選手零用金制度特定體育團體舉辦或參與具收益之商業性賽會應支付選手出賽費報告委員有寫到盈餘兩個字嗎"},{"start":2872.479,"end":2899.276,"text":"報告委員我想這個回歸到我們當時委員們在立這個法的精神那我們簡單的分為幾個量態如果我們現在在輔導協會如果你今天是一個表演賽事純商業的賽事就算你不一定有盈餘我覺得應該也是要把出賽費列為成本之一但是如果它是一個正式錦標賽比方說亞錦賽那我們是希望協會有盈餘的時候要來給這樣的出賽費我想這樣子會比較"},{"start":2900.056,"end":2921.649,"text":"這變成是我們主管機關體育署反而是還讓選手跟這些我們的體育團體來去喬啊?初賽可以用喬的對不對?你還要讓他們直接去跟選手去喬說欸你們去喬只要你們喬得好的話就不要來煩我啊我主管機關沒有意見只要你們喬得好只要不要有聲音報告委員這邊我們是有在要求協會要那個如果是純商業賽是應該要給"},{"start":2924.451,"end":2949.919,"text":"但是回到母法精神嘛我們現在當初立法為什麼要立這一條法為什麼當初在立法院教育文化委員會的時候討論那麼久就是認為是說過去長期以來選手相對來講是弱勢而出賽費並不是獎金本席再強調一點沒錯不管是一場比賽三千五千一萬那叫車馬費那叫出賽費那叫最基本的一個出賽的補貼"},{"start":2951.559,"end":2952.42,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":2973.2,"end":2981.767,"text":"一般民間企業可以講是說等我今天公司有賺錢了我開一家餐廳餐廳裡面有收入了我再給廚師錢我再給服務生錢可以這樣嗎"},{"start":2983.208,"end":2985.629,"text":"本集看到你第4頁的第3點寫出賽費本集就很失望"},{"start":3005.285,"end":3023.398,"text":"你搞得好像是還要協會可以去跟選手溝通跟選手喬出賽費還可以用喬的喔?阿如果說這樣的話我們當初制定這條法令就不用啦我給你母法的精神讓你主管機關好做事結果你居然是說你選手可以協會給你跟選手喬有沒有檢討的空間阿?次長"},{"start":3030.164,"end":3058.345,"text":"市長這是你的慣老闆心態嗎這個部分基本上 包含剛剛提到的收入有盈餘當然這個盈餘的解釋是有這個空間如果是把那個出賽會的部分也列為他的支出的話那基本上這個當然有討論的空間我想委員的意見的部分我們是不是請體育署這邊我們會來進行進一步的研議進一步研議 什麼時候可以研議你其實之前已經研議過了研議出來的結果就是今天這樣啊你要再研議怎麼樣"},{"start":3061.043,"end":3078.96,"text":"我們今天很心平氣和的大家都是為了讓國內的體育運動發展的產業層面更好那我們現在在講這個最基本的你可以認同我剛剛講薪資跟獎金的概念嗎我認同認同非常好那這樣子是不是應該要給予選手最基本的保障不管說一場出賽費"},{"start":3080.942,"end":3082.782,"text":"報告委員我們會往這個方向來做研議"},{"start":3109.73,"end":3138.698,"text":"因為我們現在的癥結點是在於比方說像亞警賽、市警賽這樣子的一個正式的錦標賽而大部分其實九成都是沒有盈餘都會虧錢那這部分是靠政府在支持是,但是這些比賽都有收門票而且它有有形跟無形的收益有些時候它可能是贊助的一個眼球的焦點有些時候如果說它真的很多人在討論的時候國內觀眾的一個關注度其實這都是有形無形的"},{"start":3139.238,"end":3156.958,"text":"這部分是不是讓我們後面來跟委員來討論這塊就細一點等一下我直接會提一個臨時提案三個月內請要求體育署針對這個部分符合魔法精神要求國內外的賽事都應該要符合魔法精神費率怎麼樣你們來定力但是重點是出賽費的精神一定要保有"},{"start":3159.159,"end":3173.405,"text":"來再來喔其實本席今天準備很多的一個題目啦那其中很重要假球現在持棒35年今天我支持的兄弟像要在這個首戰主場首戰也要開打那直籃剛剛報告裡面有講到"},{"start":3175.666,"end":3192.384,"text":"有發生疑似假球案寫得也蠻含蓄的啦但重點在於是說假球是大家都沒有辦法接受的我先請教今天有看到說可能未來的台灣運財裡面會發行也要研議國內的直燃運動是不是有譜了"},{"start":3194.015,"end":3209.271,"text":"目前只有SBL已經確定是已經正在進行當中那我們在今年的第三屆剛簽約的時候我們有跟台灣運彩公司要求他們要去研議T聯盟跟P聯盟也要納進來那目前他們還在做計算當中是"},{"start":3209.972,"end":3236.946,"text":"因為運彩當然它的這個機制最主要是它需要有更多的數據來去算出賠率讓大家參與但是如果說能夠放入運彩的話其實會是三贏的局面第一這個聯盟的賽事也會更多人看第二也有更多的一個這個效益還有第三球迷去看球的時候我花一百塊兩百塊我去支持一下我自己的心目中的球隊也算是一種更投入的參與嘛是不是"},{"start":3237.566,"end":3250.802,"text":"那現在的重點就在於是說還沒有納入那我們也講如果說打假球的話就會有運彩發行條例21條來防範假球防治對不對可是現在運彩發行條例21條只有說投注標的運動競技賽事"},{"start":3257.108,"end":3273.114,"text":"對﹗"},{"start":3273.294,"end":3287.97,"text":"好 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如果說一場賽事差不多100出頭萬這樣子的一個轉播目前的確是行情但是過去的確竹協在辦賽事的時候他的轉播費自籌款的比例真的比較高"},{"start":4113.641,"end":4116.423,"text":"這部分當然我們不是一定要給這麼多 而是說我們當時在上個會期我們是站在說我們協助他們希望他們的財務能夠盡快轉正的這樣理念才這樣做轉正 但是他們所用的錢我還是強調工作人員分你一個細項每個人去看你就會知道"},{"start":4130.23,"end":4131.832,"text":"巴黎奧運給我一分鐘的時間,你看你們外宿的品質,署長你們去了解為什麼每個都不一樣,我們的貴賓"},{"start":4152.213,"end":4158.174,"text":"那為什麼大會指定有高爾夫球代表團跟設計團?好了你們的後勤補給團我說也實在你們後勤補給團是最貴的好不好?一個晚上大概9021跟其他的選手比起來?"},{"start":4176.798,"end":4177.779,"text":"包委員這個高爾夫跟社級代表隊他是選手村"},{"start":4204.198,"end":4205.34,"text":"那你的後勤支援團的部分呢?"},{"start":4215.922,"end":4218.003,"text":"這是本期今天再一次的告訴大家巴黎奧運的這個部分裡面不要讓我們的選手有相對剝割感謝謝"},{"start":4248.507,"end":4274.464,"text":"好 我們謝謝柯正委員好 我們接下來我們請我們的羅廷偉羅委員好 我們有請次長跟署長好 請次長跟署長 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未來對電競選手來說你覺得這三個哪一個比較重要榮譽跟興趣當然都非常重要"},{"start":4363.829,"end":4380.837,"text":"市長我覺得我們都會有生涯規劃我們更希望在這個電競選手上面他的未來是應該我們要看重的昨天成立大會上面臨的困境我們都有請他們一一做一個討論第一兵役問題"},{"start":4382.037,"end":4382.338,"text":"是,是"},{"start":4391.36,"end":4416.19,"text":"18歲成年就可以出賽但是馬上就要面臨兵役的問題造成很多選手就會選擇讀大學緩針但要維持學籍又要影響到選手訓練的時間雖然現行的規定電競選手可以選擇所謂的替代役但實際上還是沒有任何幫助實際的效益我想次長這個兵役問題您怎麼協助"},{"start":4418.631,"end":4446.007,"text":"跟委員報告一下那個替代役的部分的話這個電競的替代役的部分是文化部在做一個主管來這個我跟您做一個特別報告這對補充役的部分的話如果是包含我們那個亞運的這個選手的部分他是補充役補充役有12天的一個補充役對補充役就當年他們稱之為網路搜尋吵警會條款那王建民成為第一個受賄者那我作為12天的補充役的部分我想"},{"start":4447.288,"end":4464.407,"text":"補充力的規定有它的一個規範那有些電競選手我們要知道他是18歲一滿以後可能就要去做相關的一個訓練他不一定是已經得過獎或者是輝煌的成績那相關的規定到底能不能去真正幫助到他"},{"start":4464.787,"end":4464.967,"text":"主席"},{"start":4484.79,"end":4484.81,"text":"執業選手"},{"start":4502.153,"end":4531.139,"text":"他們的兵役問題我們要來協助因為他們對於我們國家來說有可能是讓我們能夠在國際上被看到的一環很重要的一環我們應該去關注第二體育署一年只補助電競兩百多萬三百多萬內左右這經費不到體育署的預算的千分之一這上次我就已經有稍微提過了整個花費當中都是國高中的校園聯賽那校園聯賽裡面能成為電競選手可以代表出國比賽的畢竟是少數"},{"start":4532.539,"end":4532.88,"text":"經費的問題要怎麼協助?"},{"start":4538.772,"end":4554.803,"text":"發委員我想部分我們過去的確都是爭奪著重在亞運的這些國家隊的選手那未來呢因為我們今年已經成立了行政法人那這部分我們也希望透過行政法人來跟電競的產業這邊有更多的結合那這部分我們後續我們會再邀請這些產業界的人來跟我們來談看怎麼樣來協助這些的產業跟他們的選手相關的一個權益的事業"},{"start":4564.17,"end":4592.385,"text":"那署長我真的要麻煩你如果您跟邀請產業界來一起做一個討論的時候是不是我們能夠參與我們來協助當然我想這是很重要的一回願意先溝通事情就先解決一半再來我還是在這強調我不是說一定要花費這些錢全部補助某個協會我希望是真正用在這些選手身上讓他們有機會不會孤單讓他們知道政府是他們的靠山每年我們昨天你也有聽到啦這些戰隊每年都在比誰"},{"start":4594.244,"end":4594.784,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4612.415,"end":4613.455,"text":"這個部分我們應該來做一個探討這個部分體育署有辦法嗎?"},{"start":4640.367,"end":4643.028,"text":"政府有關注電競賽事都是主流遊戲就像冷門遊戲怎麼辦我們這昨天有提到就像我們可能關注棒球"},{"start":4667.574,"end":4668.434,"text":"請問這一部分執行長有沒有在?包括他執行長卡在高鐵上卡在高鐵上?"},{"start":4692.759,"end":4720.824,"text":"好 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次長過去我是一名老師我相信全台灣的師生都是對教育部是非常敬重敬仰的但是這是昨天的頭版教育部公文系統竟然可以登上頭版想請教一下次長驚不驚喜意不意外"},{"start":5078.004,"end":5080.285,"text":"教育部的電子公文系統大當機從上週四開始陸續有大學反映"},{"start":5093.616,"end":5108.437,"text":"最基本的工作收發公文沒有辦法做加上清明連假要將至非常多人擔心結果當然還非常感謝四天之後暫時搶通了所有教職人員像在搶演唱會票一樣"},{"start":5110.96,"end":5137.278,"text":"衝進去瘋狂的收發文大家都非常擔心不知道系統又何時再當機這一次的大當機事件光是原因我在這裡要跟次長分享我們竟然聽到三個版本系統廠商說是台電跳電媒體報導說是機房火災教育部昨天回覆是系統升級這已經不只是羅生門了這是什麼山體是不是"},{"start":5138.178,"end":5152.506,"text":"這一個事件竟然有三種不同可能的原因現在到底是什麼樣的狀況想請教一下次長就您的了解教育部電子公文系統大當機的原因究竟是如何教育部是不是已經盤點出有多少的學校受到影響就這兩個問題麻煩直接回答謝謝"},{"start":5155.267,"end":5179.282,"text":"各位委員報告這件事情我們大概了解事發的原因主要是在3月27號科技大樓當時候發生電力中斷負電之後我們系統做一個重啟這個共用的收花平台的部分有異常的狀況我們也逐一的去做一些盤點組織跟做一些的比對好我先停在這邊我想要請次長您先給我保證沒有火災"},{"start":5182.532,"end":5185.695,"text":"二月二十二號教育部機房發生火災,火災的原因那個地方是什麼地方?次長知道嗎?"},{"start":5205.732,"end":5221.983,"text":"強壁上的某個東西燒起來啦我給你暗示啦是我們科技大樓機房的電力室變電盤嘛又是電那昨天剛剛次長講說這個公文系統是不是又是電我們今天還發生很不幸的地震的事情"},{"start":5223.064,"end":5250.715,"text":"我就在這裡插進來我就脫稿演出請問現在有沒有開始在盤查電力有沒有什麼問題有沒有風險有沒有現在開始在盤查有跟委員報告目前我們整個科技大樓的基法目前是ok的right this moment不是現在ok所有的電力系統但是花蓮區網那邊因為花蓮區網目前中斷所以有局部的學術網路是中斷的在台北區網這邊都是ok的相關報告有沒有發在你們的公開的頻道"},{"start":5252.136,"end":5268.561,"text":"官網上是不是能夠早一點讓民眾知道會不會又有系統受到影響我想接下來的資訊系統現狀以及接下來的狀況我們一定會緊盯那我想這個之前的這個火災真的是讓大家非常的訝異今天這個狀況也一定要趕快來盤查我們這個問題每一次發生我們不斷的問"},{"start":5274.222,"end":5291.052,"text":"結果呢 教育部竟然變成教育部這個遮蓋東西的部我相信這都不是我們想要看到的我希望要求教育部在一個月內針對電子公文系統大蕩機的事件甚至合併啦就是說這個所謂系統機房電力的問題是不是可以一併的做一個完整的檢討報告"},{"start":5293.134,"end":5307.507,"text":"這個部分我們來做一個檢討報告提供給委員做一個參考謝謝這真的是為了民眾問的也是為了全台師生問的此次這個教育部系統當機的事件有非常非常多的資訊都正在發出尤其下週一4月8號"},{"start":5309.289,"end":5336.587,"text":"要進行網球及羽球項目這個全大運賽事的抽籤雖然昨天緊急通知信件已經寄出去了但時間真的非常短請問一下次長目前教育部對於主辦全大運的臺灣體育運動的大學有沒有提供任何因為這一次的事件而發生的一些可能的延宕或者是delay或者是發生這個miss有沒有什麼協助的措施如果他們沒有抽到抽籤的通知影響了參賽的權益有沒有研議補償的機制"},{"start":5338.632,"end":5339.192,"text":"您最擅長的運動項目是什麼?"},{"start":5368.747,"end":5375.615,"text":"我大概是田徑跟游泳那我相信你可能還有一個擅長的運動你不太了解其實是踢皮球"},{"start":5378.775,"end":5399.952,"text":"您的球友,經濟部王美花部長,數位部唐鳳部長和文化部矢澤部長,我們的國家的電競產業,就是這顆皮球,被你們踢來踢去。我在這邊要給你們看一下手上這小小本的資料,最新的2022遊戲電競產業調查報告,請問次長知道這是哪個單位做的嗎?非常精美喔!"},{"start":5406.387,"end":5409.071,"text":"這是文化部底下的文策院所做的"},{"start":5410.394,"end":5431.573,"text":"眾所皆知依據運動產業條例電競產業的主管機關就是教育部體育署為什麼產業調查是由文化部進行次長還不知道我們進一步詢問了文化部得到的答覆是因為遊戲產業是文創產業之一文政院在辦理文化相關的內容所以考量等等等等才將電競納入調查範圍白話翻譯就是"},{"start":5434.736,"end":5458.046,"text":"因為遊戲產業屬於文創業：文化部調查遊戲產業的時候順便幫教育部體育署調查了相關發展情形我們真的是不禁懷疑教育部體育署作為電競產業主管機關到底有沒有自行瞭解過我們的電競產業的現況市長有沒有看過這本調查報告在這本調查報告裡面反正剛剛看起來是沒看過2021年我國電競產業的整體營收是多少給你一個機會"},{"start":5462.808,"end":5467.413,"text":"是 跟委員報告一下那個 你可以猜嗎幾億啦幾億12345678910你可以猜一個300億"},{"start":5473.683,"end":5482.589,"text":"很好 我也很希望是300億全球可能是300億台灣的電競產業電競產業就是比賽的部分整體已經說5億文化部幫你統計的電競產業2022年的成長率高達147%如果真的是300億我們還用這種消極的態度來處理那還得了但未來一定是300億所以我們才要現在處理所以我想這個真的是非常非常重要的一個議題"},{"start":5505.465,"end":5519.238,"text":"體育署的組織法第二條明定體育署的業務職長包含運動產業發展之規劃執行督導及獎勵連產業的年營收跟發展概況都沒有掌握基本上就是瞎子摸象啦要怎麼來規劃產業的發展"},{"start":5521.34,"end":5537.935,"text":"市長教育部作為體育署的上級機關負責督導體育署的業務辦理情況結果這些調查報告我們剛剛講什麼147.8%還經濟部幫你們算的你認為這樣的做法是不是太過消極甚至根本不負責任署長就在後面您可以指導他"},{"start":5539.775,"end":5541.516,"text":"上一次羅廷偉有委員非常關注他就質詢"},{"start":5556.52,"end":5573.435,"text":"結果我們相關的這個官員竟然理直氣壯說電競產業發展屬於經濟部數位部我們特地查了所有的法規也聽您們向經濟部數位部文化部多方多字的確認三個部會都回覆依據運動產業發展條例電競產業屬於運動產業主管機關就是教育部體育署"},{"start":5581.302,"end":5594.918,"text":"這個雖然是由教育部經濟部電競產業而且依據法令裡面你們就在裡面啊你們根本就不是單獨經濟部負責啊那你們沒有要推卸責任吧是不是要來負責一下"},{"start":5595.979,"end":5597.98,"text":"但是你們也是主管機關之一我在這邊要來接力一下我來問一下署長"},{"start":5626.52,"end":5635.009,"text":"電子競技除了是運動產業發展條例所指稱的運動產業以外,它是否也是國民體育法當中所指稱的運動或體育活動?是或不是?"},{"start":5646.401,"end":5663.92,"text":"回答得非常好,但是依據國民體育法第5條及第44條政府應該保障人民平等使用運動設施及參與體育活動之權利各級政府為推行國民體育應普設公共運動設施並提供適齡適性的器材我這邊要接力羅委員,場館的問題"},{"start":5667.604,"end":5674.428,"text":"這個產業已經真的非常大了2022年全球電子競技營收13億美元確實就是300億全球電競人數高達5億2025年會到18億美元全球觀眾會超過6億11個人就有1個人看這個不只他們沒有拿到應有的補助他們還沒有足夠的場館來使用我們可以看到真的是有非常多沒有場館用等到他們贏了以後又來蹭熱度"},{"start":5696.542,"end":5698.903,"text":"這部分我們可能真的需要回去研究,因為牽涉的那個"},{"start":5722.133,"end":5724.514,"text":"回到這個場館的部分因為我們有這個辦公室同仁在學校很可憐說這個學生真的是因應期盼希望能夠早一點參與這個電子競技"},{"start":5747.443,"end":5752.264,"text":"之前我們討論過啦2026年日本亞運把電競項目列入進去了數位時代報導2028年奧運極可能會納入電競的項目而且是電子競技喔身體不用動的喔動腦或動手還沒確定我知道他應該是傳帶四方面的跟亞運的不太一樣所以您是亞奧運的主委是不是主席嗎"},{"start":5767.768,"end":5769.169,"text":"我想這個補助很重要不要只是曝光同時也有非常多人真的非常關心我們應該要有場館讓學生可以練習"},{"start":5795.33,"end":5808.973,"text":"在小小黑黑的宿舍裡面自己打電競自己辦比賽這絕對不是符合我們的法規我們應該要平等相待這既然是一個運動游泳都可以有游泳池籃球可以有籃球場網球羽球可以有羽球館為什麼電競不能有電競相關的場館委員這邊我們認同您的想法這邊我們也會認同羅廷偉的委員的想法我們會來支持來推動那我們一起來努力我想最後提醒次長"},{"start":5821.596,"end":5827.581,"text":"目前我們電競產業的這應該就是我們要來複習一下電競產業的處境真的是我們都不想要像皮球一樣被踢來踢去我們已經調查過了我們大概問了很多很多次收集了非常多的數據我們目前得到的是每年常態性的補助協會300多萬"},{"start":5842.333,"end":5859.474,"text":"距離你們心中想像的300多億真的是太遙遠了啦我說的是產業的scale幾乎真的是沒有在過去沒有促進電競產業做太多努力不調整選手的補助培訓的條件提高電競設施的可進性迎頭趕上其他國家的電競產業的發展"},{"start":5860.655,"end":5860.675,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":5889.804,"end":5891.586,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5907.8,"end":5925.02,"text":"市長好先前台灣男籃參加亞洲杯資格賽的問題鬧得沸沸揚揚那我想也不只是這次出問題之前其實很多的運動項目我們要組國家隊出國比賽的時候都會有一些爭議冒出來那凸顯出選手們要組國家隊出國比賽的時候"},{"start":5929.225,"end":5943.817,"text":"從集訓的時程規劃球員的續約或到保險的議題真的很多問題我們都需要來改進那3月中的時候本席有跟蔡其昌委員莊瑞璇委員有一起召開公聽會那"},{"start":5945.498,"end":5956.428,"text":"我們跟職籃、職棒聯盟、還有協會、球員公會、產險公司等單位有一起討論所謂的體育職業選手參加國家隊的保險權益的這個課題解方"},{"start":5962.313,"end":5986.583,"text":"本席要強調身體是運動特別是職業選手非常重要的資產那代表國家出賽對選手來講其實是一個賭注如果整個比賽過程中那身體健康拿下好成績那當然是最好的結果可是如果比賽期間受傷了那小傷害這個小則休養了幾週幾個月那嚴重的話或許整個職業生涯就報銷了"},{"start":5991.826,"end":6011.605,"text":"講白一點,選手並沒有欠民眾或國家什麼。運動員跟一般職業人一樣,都需要有合理的保障和支持,他們也有家庭和經濟的負擔壓力,所以我們必須要給選手更好的保障,做選手最大的後盾。"},{"start":6012.566,"end":6012.726,"text":"當天公聽會討論幾個方案"},{"start":6029.188,"end":6044.112,"text":"當天鄭署長也有在場那最後結論是說在短期的方案是要檢討國家代表隊培訓選手及隊職員因培訓或參賽制短期失能、身心障礙或死亡發起未問津這個辦法要修這個辦法那針對短期失能"},{"start":6050.274,"end":6055.298,"text":"請問次長這部分的進度我們到哪裡了那接下來7月左右我們開始有瓊斯杯的籃球邀請賽9月又有這個U18青棒的這個錦標賽"},{"start":6070.45,"end":6088.63,"text":"那接下來那麼多的國際賽事而且我們還要考量到集訓的期間或許這個所謂的這個保障這個保險就要開始了所以我們必須要加速作業所以我現在是要請教是說我們趕得上就是我們現在的作業的辦法這個辦法的修正"},{"start":6089.491,"end":6089.511,"text":"市長："},{"start":6108.184,"end":6134.049,"text":"好 謝謝林委員我想這個在3月14號委員這邊大概召開了這個記者會那之後呢署裡面這邊也在積極在做一些的這個研議那短期的部分我們會就有關那個剛剛委員提到的衛生巾的這個辦法的部分會來做一個修正那因為這個辦法的部分基本上還要再做行政的公告所以預定應該是5月中5月份大概這個辦法的部分大概可以"},{"start":6135.35,"end":6160.972,"text":"公告完成這個相關的一個修法的一個程序所以大概應該是6、7月份之後剛剛提到的7、8月份的比賽應該就可以來做一個試用至於所需的這個經費的部分的話我們會先從這個公務預算那麼來做一個處理如果有不足的話那我們會訂入到這個國光獎章來申請這個動資預備金的方式來做一個處理所以不會讓這個財源有入不敷出的狀況"},{"start":6161.993,"end":6178.221,"text":"長期來講我們也在做一些的評估先期的評估的部分是不是在國體法上面來做一些的修正能夠把包含的這個學生選手或者是職業選手或者是國家代表隊等等他們的一個保險的部分能夠有更周延的這樣的判定"},{"start":6179.381,"end":6205.408,"text":"因為我們當天也有討論到說其實中長期或許可以依循所謂的學生團體保險這樣的模式建立一個所謂的體育保險的專法那用長期的制度來保障這些選手的權益那也是要請教次長就是你剛剛也有提到就是說用一個專法體育保險的專法可能會不見得是專法我們來評估啦也有可能是在國體法上所以現在有開始在進行這個可行性的評估對 是的好"},{"start":6206.648,"end":6215.75,"text":"當然我還是要強調像籃球的名將張宗憲他就有提到說他20歲開始打國家隊我們林委員的時間暫停還是一句話各位看清楚你前面左右的人好不好"},{"start":6234.261,"end":6239.986,"text":"我的門打開了來我們先等一下我們先等一下暫停一下暫停一下還有嗎還是我頭在昏還在有天啊我簡直OKOK嗎OKOKOK我們署長你OK哈OK好的我們時間繼續"},{"start":6265.111,"end":6291.217,"text":"好 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署長早我們來看一下這個我們辦公室之前一直在關心很多單向協會跟選手權利的義務之間其實一直出了很多事情我相信署長也都非常的清楚那我們之前也跟體育署很多討論但是我們覺得很多的回應其實不管是從協會端或是體育署端這邊來都有很大的落差我們在總質詢的時候問了體育教育部關於這個協會跟選手的問題教育部給我們的回應是說會強化溝通管道"},{"start":6764.631,"end":6766.012,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期教育部次長率體育署列席"},{"start":6782.346,"end":6786.088,"text":"這部分據我們了解是臺美是被這些的選手們臺美有透過一位理事來進行跟協會之間的一個溝通目前選手們他是知情的所以選手們都知情而且都同意嗎?署長這是你現在公開說的"},{"start":6801.577,"end":6803.739,"text":"這部分目前是50%的部分是由這個理事代表這個選手們來跟協會這邊來所以只有50%嗎?那還有另外50%呢?對不起,50%是指ITF他們給協會辦國際賽事的時候給了一筆錢"},{"start":6817.748,"end":6818.128,"text":"這也是署長您不樂見的"},{"start":6842.383,"end":6842.883,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6859.896,"end":6881.59,"text":"發生類似跟選手爭議的各個單項運動協會剛剛網協只是舉例之前不管是足協或者是籃協或是我剛說的網協其實各項單項體育協會一起來都有非常多爭議我相信署長也很頭痛啦我們希望可以成立你們可以成立專案小組在3個月內要求任何跟選手權益有關的討論決策都要邀請選手或者是選手的代表"},{"start":6882.21,"end":6900.399,"text":"同時體育署應該也要全程參與掌握而不是每次都出了新聞事件之後才有協會來跟體育署報告然後體育署可能收到的消息其實都不見得是完全正確跟百分之百然後體育署要幫協會背黑鍋我相信這也是全體國民不樂見的不知道這部分署長您覺得有沒有機會協委員這邊我也認同這邊我們已經在進行當中"},{"start":6902.6,"end":6918.529,"text":"三個月內我們希望根據某些協會那至於哪些協會要成立我想署長您心裡有數但是如果您覺得還需要跟不同的辦公室討論我們辦公室也很歡迎我們開放討論如果您覺得哪些有爭議的協會我這邊就不要問你哪些協會了好不好不要讓署長為難"},{"start":6919.309,"end":6920.989,"text":"發言委員．這是我任內的當務之急,這部分我會努力的去做。"},{"start":6948.197,"end":6950.8,"text":"冰球的事情2022年6月26號選手在比賽過程中重傷到了2024年他們寫信給署長信箱為什麼拖這麼久才寫信呢我們來看一下可是你們回給他們說會輔導冰球協會盡力協助"},{"start":6968.32,"end":6990.969,"text":"這個申請保險的李培事宜兩年後才想到有保險我們想問體育署積極的輔導狀況到底在哪裡當時你們保的這個險是長成這樣子的署長跟你報告一下保的是公共意外責任保險那難道體育署認為只有在這個受訓的過程當中需要用到嗎他們在移動在交通過程當中他們是集訓期一整年的集訓期耶但為什麼會長成這個樣子"},{"start":6992.915,"end":7014.363,"text":"這部分也的確正如委員之前給我們體育署的建議在運動員的部分的保障不是只有公安安全的這個意外險的一個保障而已這部分我們正在研議當中也謝謝委員提醒我們但是這個選手他目前已經在到處澄清了因為這個小孩目前狀況其實並不理想他要好好取很多恢復的費用所以我不知道體育署是這部分協會正在處理當中 申訴委員會正在處理當中"},{"start":7015.603,"end":7029.314,"text":"那我相信體育署應該要積極介入協助這邊呢我是不是就直接的要求針對冰球協會忽視選手受傷後他們掌握這個態度跟那個回覆的狀況真的都不是太OK是不是請署長這邊積極的關心協助這個個案報告委員這的確已經陳榮銘講的其實我們在保險的部分的確應該更進一步來協助這些學生運動員"},{"start":7035.819,"end":7036.039,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7051.564,"end":7053.005,"text":"我相信署長也是很累了 這個沒有問題"},{"start":7071.653,"end":7077.477,"text":"這部分我們在前天有召開一個專家學者會議那的確這部分我們的確有一些保險上的一個難處但是我們就比照我們對職業選手這個短期失能險這樣的精神去為了選手來做一些彌補那這部分我們在演繹當中"},{"start":7098.69,"end":7110.738,"text":"這個相關的會議召開我相信應該要邀請選手作為代表而且是各個單項運動是這個是初步的討論而已好那我相信更積極的討論一定要讓選手知情好嗎他們不要是最後又收到一個很莫名其妙的保險通知這樣好嗎再來"},{"start":7113.37,"end":7134.327,"text":"這個靈溶忍的部分這兩天就是兒童節我們辦公室一直在強調所有兒少的權益有包含兒少選手的權益那署長應該也記得在去年最後的質詢的時候我提出對教育部靈溶忍的質詢會中我也提醒教育部靈溶忍不能只是口號還要提醒各個單位要注意所謂的不受歡迎的名單不知道署長還你記不記得這件事情"},{"start":7134.667,"end":7134.907,"text":"報告委員：這部分"},{"start":7161.966,"end":7185.064,"text":"我在最近這幾天我也有深入去了解那目前主要的關卡應該在於我們的競技的這一部分應該說學校的部分學校組的部分我們的這個當教練他本身他的犯的錯比方說體罰或一些輕微的性騷的部分但是還沒有達到不適任被解職的情況之下"},{"start":7185.765,"end":7186.405,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":7211.472,"end":7219.079,"text":"怎麼講,去提告的時候,他的判決有時候是過失這個張教練的事情署長你一定非常非常的清楚那他對待小孩的事情我想你也很清楚他把小孩屁股打爛甚至還讓同一隊的球員來圍觀這個事情還有非常非常多不當的體罰那後來呢做出相關的懲處也依法公布了這個姓名可是很可笑的事情就是因為他不在相關的名單公布系統他只在兒少法他在教育系統那邊好像大家一副不知道一樣"},{"start":7238.476,"end":7257.376,"text":"結果很好笑的是他就讓我們教育文化委員會另外一個立法委員他在選舉活動的時候甚至邀請到這個有虐兒前科的教練一起參與這個活動你覺得對於一般家長來說或是對於這個球隊甚至是這個受害小孩來說他情何以堪所以我們一直在強調所謂不受歡迎名單這件事情的重要性接下來"},{"start":7258.617,"end":7263.724,"text":"教育部的林榮忍到底是什麼狀態我們還看到他還成為這個人他還成為相關的協會顧問我當然知道署長你會有你的說法我們還看到後續你們在這個單項協會的補助裡面你們給了這個協會85萬的補助然後我們就問說那為什麼這個人還在協會裡面當顧問呢體育署給我們的回應是"},{"start":7278.621,"end":7280.562,"text":"這部分你講的沒有錯所以最近的其實我也該要求我的同仁"},{"start":7298.428,"end":7302.97,"text":"所以署長你也認同我的說法嗎對不對你們體育署自己說這個這個協會這個顧問的負擔費用是他們自己承擔所以他就可以出現在賽事當中他甚至可以做整個賽事的顧問欸所以你也不認同嗎對不對我不認同"},{"start":7325.178,"end":7336.748,"text":"對 所以你們會更積極所以除了你剛剛說的之外只要你們體育署有補助這個相關的名單這個不受歡迎的名單應該要比我們想像的更廣才對 對嗎因為他們是第一時間在現場接觸到這些小孩的"},{"start":7337.674,"end":7358.007,"text":"報告委員這部分不受歡迎的名單這部分我們需要研議這可能還是跟他的工作權跟他的法有關係那這部分我們後面再來進行那我們再來問一樣是這個中華民國五人制足球協會最近你們也做了一件事情我覺得是我們大人做錯事情但是卻讓孩子來承擔後果臺北海洋科技大學的孩子他們去報名了在報名的第一時間他們沒有被發現你們覺得他們資格符合然後就讓他們一路一路打"},{"start":7361.969,"end":7391.769,"text":"打進了決賽結果發現這個事情我們來看一下當天呢你們還去開了協調會有次長林次長還有署長還有學校體育組的組長你們最後做出來決議是說取消他們的比賽資格但是根據他們所參加的賽事你們給予經費補助我覺得這不是錢的事情可以解決我們真心要說我們看見的是我們大人做錯事情但是卻要小孩來承擔小孩難道沒有情緒嗎家長難道沒有情緒嗎一路打到現在當然相關的辦法跟機制是需要調整跟改進可是在這件事情上我們看到"},{"start":7392.869,"end":7392.989,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7415.015,"end":7442.013,"text":"發言委員這部分我想當時會發生這個原因主要是因為在系統上開放給非學的這個我們都知道後來我們協調的是說我們也跟學校方也請學校方跟學生們同學們能做一個良好的一個溝通好署長你說你跟學校方溝通你請學校跟孩子溝通但是上場努力拼搏的是孩子其實我們後來得到的消息是其實孩子們他們同學們其實最在乎的是這個制度能不能永久就是說他們"},{"start":7442.833,"end":7457.781,"text":"明年後年他們是不是可以依然去做這樣的一個參賽的制度那這部分我們的確也打算在專一專二專三的部分列入明年的一個賽事的一個資格裡面那這部分今年是因為競賽規程已經在那個地方我們不得不請他們去"},{"start":7458.882,"end":7459.182,"text":"謝謝委員謝謝署長 謝謝主席"},{"start":7489.62,"end":7494.502,"text":"謝謝陳委員接下來我們請葉元智委員請自長我們請自長"},{"start":7515.51,"end":7519.294,"text":"運動產業發展條例第24條之一條文草案運動票券不能加價賣"},{"start":7537.552,"end":7538.532,"text":"運產條例24條之一是在大院去年12月15日三讀通過"},{"start":7557.199,"end":7577.294,"text":"那現在大概是三月,今天四月了,已經將近三個月的時間,不曉得這三個月當中有沒有黃牛因為我們這個法案通過之後被罰的狀況有沒有?目前是還沒有這樣子的一個個案跟處罰還沒有個案齁?沒有個案原因是因為法律產生了嚇阻的效果"},{"start":7578.12,"end":7578.841,"text":"書長可以回答"},{"start":7596.316,"end":7619.942,"text":"對,現在陸陸續續大概,包含呢,現在在大巨蛋裡面有些賽事,對,值班開始,陸陸續續大概就會賽事的產生。值班陸陸續續開始有賽事,所以黃牛票情況就會比較嚴重?沒有,這個部分我們要進一步觀察,我沒有設定那個...所以次長大概因你的預估的話,黃牛票的情況大概什麼時候比較嚴重,然後你們現在會根據這個法律所做的因應,比如說取締的作為為何?"},{"start":7621.024,"end":7622.686,"text":"我的問題其實是說你們有因應的作為嗎?"},{"start":7640.026,"end":7661.856,"text":"因為我們現在已經有法律基礎了 那個因應作為是什麼還是請署長回答也可以報告委員 那我們在2月29號有公布執法 所以在裁罰的部分以及獎勵檢舉各方面我們都已經在進行 那我們也做了黃牛票的這個檢舉專區也跟各地方縣市的警局這部分來 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15他是一個平權的一個倡議的一個活動"},{"start":8221.841,"end":8240.293,"text":"全球有15%是身障人士,但是其實他們不特別,但是我們希望用平等的一個角度來看,那當然這樣子的一個風潮,我相信其實台灣也應該要隨時要跟進啦。那緊接著下來其實大家會注意到就是在今年的巴黎的奧運,那同時在8月28號其實巴黎的帕運也開始要展開了喔。"},{"start":8243.435,"end":8272.103,"text":"當然其實我們台灣也非常的期待就是有可以去參與已經有這樣子的一個入選的一些選手他們的現狀的一個狀況那我想要問的是就是在奧運選手他們的獎金其實我們可以看到就是同樣的都在獎金的部分我相信其實這個部分應該也有很多的這個帕運的選手或者是身上的一些選手他們已經喊了很多年了"},{"start":8272.603,"end":8274.244,"text":"金牌和銀牌和銅牌的部分我們光就金牌的部分先來看一下金牌他們是兩千萬"},{"start":8297.783,"end":8321.155,"text":"另外在帕運選手的部份在金牌的獎金的部份其實相差了有5倍之多那更不用講到教練優良的教練的獎金差到20倍那我想其實很多的身上選手他們在受訪的時候他們也特別表示就是一直爭取已經爭取了快20年了那一直沒有辦法突破"},{"start":8321.755,"end":8322.115,"text":"是的,謝謝郭委員,就像剛剛郭委員提到的"},{"start":8342.808,"end":8370.385,"text":"有關亞奧運的選手的部分是依照國光獎章的相關規定辦法來給予獎助學金那這個帕運的選手基本上是依照另外帕運的相關的獎勵辦法來給予因為亞奧運的部分跟帕運的部分或是亞帕運的部分基本上因為它的賽事跟它的性質分析的部分是不太一樣"},{"start":8370.985,"end":8394.639,"text":"對,是的,雖然規模比較小,但是我相信其實選手他們在努力跟爭取的表現其實都是一樣的那針對帕印的選手的這個獎金提高的部分,體育署也一直都在做一個研議那目前大概應該是在6月份左右,大概應該會有一個初步的結果希望能夠再把獎金的部分再做一個升級"},{"start":8395.379,"end":8396.22,"text":"為什麼我們身上的國際賽事他們的成績這幾年這幾屆當中我們來看一下國際賽事的部分"},{"start":8416.639,"end":8424.249,"text":"的獎牌數是逐年的下降從2006年的總共69面的獎章2010年的26面的一個獎章2014年38"},{"start":8432.26,"end":8447.722,"text":"2018年是25面那其實總共在到上一屆2022年的這個杭州的帕運最後剩下20面的獎牌那我在想說我們的培訓計畫是中間出了什麼樣的落差嗎"},{"start":8451.686,"end":8462.994,"text":"雖然在獎金的部分目前還有一些研議的空間但是在對選手的照顧方面在我去年上任之前全民主這邊已經針對他們的亞帕的這個準備設立在整個縣市很多的訓練的據點"},{"start":8464.155,"end":8464.315,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":8483.307,"end":8507.175,"text":"您說的是帕拉基層訓練嗎?對,那這部分我目前在這一塊我也積極地希望在他們的照顧上面能夠享有跟其他亞運、奧運的選手是一樣的待遇這部分我正在努力進行所以培訓的基地現在是有增加的?是是這樣嗎?對我們來看一下最後一張好嗎?目前有30個據點但是國訓中心是第一次把帕拉的選手整個帶進來長期集訓"},{"start":8508.575,"end":8509.075,"text":"其他縣市呢?"},{"start":8522.608,"end":8547.927,"text":"報告委員這部分的確我們在頂尖的選手的部分的確有區域上他們發展的特色但是在學校端我們從去年開始也有運動輔具以及我們身障選手這部分的特教透過各縣市的特教的資源中心給一些不管是體育老師的身心障礙相關的共融式教育的協助的教育還有運動輔具的協助我們在各縣市正在努力當中"},{"start":8548.507,"end":8577.164,"text":"既然體育署這邊提到了學校我們就來看看學校這也是我等一下要問的齁好您說在我根據了這個教育部的官網所公布的111年的學年度其實我們學校的體育的統計喔從小學端一直開到國中端高中端的身障運動代表隊的項目看到好我把框列下來的齁包含國小國中以及高中的部分在國小的部分您有發現到有跆拳道對不對"},{"start":8579.136,"end":8602.11,"text":"對國中呢目前沒看到好那高中呢沒有好也就是說我們一直在說要向下扎根那包含尤其是這些身上的體育選手他們要從小開始從基層訓練那從國小畢業之後他們在國小其實有受到訓練畢業之後其實到了國中我就鍛鍊了我要去哪裡"},{"start":8603.206,"end":8619.809,"text":"報告委員,因為111年這樣的情況,所以我們從去年開始,教育部也大力地推行共融式這樣的體育課程的教育,那加上我們剛剛講的運動輔具,那我們去年的執行率的確也還沒有達到我們預期的原因,是因為很多學校他們第一次遇到還在"},{"start":8620.23,"end":8620.33,"text":"主席"},{"start":8646.664,"end":8675.437,"text":"要投入資源啊不是口號啊所以我們去年是有投入資源但是呢執行率還沒有到如果我有小孩他是身上的選手他在國小他是有可以訓練的地方然後他是有訓練的資源等到我的小孩如果國中到了國中我是沒地方你要怎麼樣培養沒有錯所以這部分我們去年體育老師我們目前應該有將近五成的老師已經有接受這樣一個教育我們在進行當中那私營體育的部分我們的推廣呢我們在加緊腳步"},{"start":8677.128,"end":8677.948,"text":"天花板有多高"},{"start":8698.176,"end":8714.151,"text":"運動潛力新秀2004年12月31號出生18歲以下以下的這五個條件當中的其中之一光第一個條件競賽項目當中客觀成績其成績最近一屆的Ting 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謝謝"},{"start":9186.471,"end":9189.674,"text":"陳委員好次長早在這邊先請教次長我們113年度的動資券從今年的1月1號開始發放領取那統計到3月31號領取率只有19.3%還不到20%目前大概33萬多"},{"start":9202.406,"end":9229.634,"text":"那使用率呢更只有9.9%還不到10%那相對於文化部他的文化禮金他是從1月20號開始發放統計到3月18呢他的領取率已經有將近70%使用率也超過40%也就是說如果以比較文化禮金扣掉晚領取的時間以及統計的時間呢那動資券比起動資券的發放有4倍的成效跟這個效率市長你覺得這是什麼原因造成的"},{"start":9230.922,"end":9231.143,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":9260.542,"end":9260.562,"text":"動資券"},{"start":9279.582,"end":9280.323,"text":"請問次長除了倒領事件之外有沒有發現其他異常的狀況"},{"start":9291.971,"end":9296.636,"text":"除了倒領這個狀況之外你有沒有掌握其他違規的事件目前的部分應該整體來講應該還算正常"},{"start":9311.852,"end":9335.001,"text":"那所以你們不知道說除了倒領之外還有什麼狀況其實以倒領的狀況你們是說你們因為啟動健保卡號驗證機制所以你們覺得說已經大幅降低盜用的這個案件的機率但是除了倒領之外其實動資券跟上個禮拜本席在詢問文化禮經營的這個部分有遇到相同的問題就是轉賣的情況是很嚴重的"},{"start":9337.122,"end":9337.182,"text":"公開社團買賣動資券"},{"start":9352.096,"end":9353.117,"text":"市長,我想知道我們提出這邊有什麼作為?根據這種轉賣的狀況,你們有什麼作為?"},{"start":9374.972,"end":9377.274,"text":"我們希望鼓勵我們的孩子們多運動、參加賽事,就是說我們希望他們有運動的好習慣"},{"start":9400.609,"end":9412.326,"text":"那這個部分呢 那就請我們體育署這邊針對這個東之鵑的違規狀況你們制定了相關的對策不要讓我們發東之鵑的這個美意付諸流水而且還有我希望說針對磊帆因為我們從16歲到22歲這個區間他們會連續領很多年"},{"start":9416.952,"end":9418.052,"text":"請教育部次長率體育署列席"},{"start":9434.497,"end":9451.773,"text":"是的,好的,我們針對那個有轉賣的這種狀況,我們在那個QA上面大概都有一些警示性的一個提示語啦,那委員剛剛提到的是不是說如果他有到達比如說有那個轉賣的這種這個事實呢,經過查證之後是不是一定時間裡面取消他的這個發卷,這個我們來研議,來我們研議處理"},{"start":9453.715,"end":9481.868,"text":"好 那就麻煩次長了再來我要想請教我國代表隊代表我國參加國際賽事呢取役署這邊都有編列預算為我們的運動員來投保暫時失能險以及永久失能險那暫時失能險是以每個月兩萬以上來起跳會依照運動員的薪資來進行調整如果你的薪資高一點他給付就會比較高那最長給付是一年那永久失能險的投保額度是固定是在三百萬"},{"start":9482.708,"end":9503.663,"text":"其實我們現在呢我們現在其實交通非常的方便我們用信用卡去消費來搭乘公共的運輸禮品險至少都有一千萬兩千萬那如果說我們運動員的永久失能險他的額度就只有三百萬對運動員來講真的是保障是非常的不夠那本席這邊也問過我們體育署從103年到112年這將近十年時間其實有投保失能險的國際賽事出險人數非常的低只有六人"},{"start":9511.548,"end":9516.371,"text":"目前杭州亞運大概有500多名的運動員團體的保費是250萬東京奧運有68名的運動員保障價格是30萬那體署這邊有沒有說可以用我們出險率這麼低我們來跟保險公司來講說我們理賠提高或者說我們增加保費來跟保險公司這邊提高保險的額度"},{"start":9539.002,"end":9554.089,"text":"謝謝委員,我想對於選手照顧的部分,我們都持續來做一些關注也謝謝委員的關心,我想針對失能險的部分,這個保單的部分基本上是最低的保險的狀況"},{"start":9558.331,"end":9573.028,"text":"目前的部份的話,針對保險公司,因為有關運動員保險目前國內的保險公司也有限因為其實運動員他在這樣子的運動生涯他對自己的身體狀況他會非常的珍惜也非常的保護"},{"start":9573.809,"end":9573.829,"text":"委員長"},{"start":9588.746,"end":9589.486,"text":"這部分的話基本上巴黎奧運在即"},{"start":9615.655,"end":9621.1,"text":"市長本席的意思就是說我們其實在保險的額度上我們盡可能的去提高當然希望都不要用到但是萬一有不幸的事件發生的時候他們有比較高的保障好嗎"},{"start":9639.616,"end":9641.978,"text":"國訓中心運動心理人員的相關問題本集關心運動心理人員這個議題以來其實我們國訓中心這邊的運動心理人員一直都沒有滿編大概都是在6到8位的這個員額"},{"start":9656.509,"end":9662.731,"text":"運科中心正式營運後,甚至原有只剩下4位,其中有3位從國訓中心轉任到運科中心,還有1位先辭職,再去運聘。運科中心擔任研究助理及助理研究員"},{"start":9674.855,"end":9693.1,"text":"那我們看一下這個表格其實次長您看一下你就大概知道說為什麼他們不要留在國訓中心而願意到運科中心因為他們到運科中心的這個待遇呢加上教授學術的這個研究費呢最多最多加總起來可能是國訓中心的3倍"},{"start":9693.86,"end":9708.334,"text":"那您覺得次長以這樣子的薪資待遇他願意留在國訓中心的這個機率應該是真的是很不高大家都想要到運科中心喔那是不是我們也應該來演繹說適時的調高國訓中心的運動心理能源的待遇呢"},{"start":9709.512,"end":9725.858,"text":"跟委員報告一下,針對這個在國興中心所聘用的是專業技術人員那專業技術人員的部分是兩個中心的部分基本上都是一致的那至於運科中心這邊另外的部分他是比較偏重在"},{"start":9727.058,"end":9755.351,"text":"這個運科的研究研究研發的一個規劃當然這樣子這樣的人員他要從國訓中心到運科中心一定有他的專業在不是所有人都能過去但是相較於他如果有這個能力的時候他具備這樣的能力的時候他就不會願意留在國訓中心他一定會到運科中心那是不是說我們必須要在這個基礎點上我們先去考慮為什麼他如果有這樣的能力他有這樣的才能的時候他不願意留在國訓中心就是因為他的薪資制度"},{"start":9755.911,"end":9755.931,"text":"市長﹗"},{"start":9778.722,"end":9798.669,"text":"這個您這邊的說法我知道我也理解但是我今天在這邊跟您再一次的提起就是說這個薪資制度的這個部分你們就要去檢討那你同樣的他有這樣的能力他就馬上要他有具備這樣的資格的時候他就馬上想要到運客中心一定是因為國訓中心留不住他嘛那在這邊呢我還是要跟次長您提醒喔"},{"start":9804.021,"end":9820.695,"text":"運動心理人員跟我們運動員這個長久的這個穩定的這個默契他們是要一起培養起來的那對選手才能夠有這個一定程度的幫助那如果你是陌生的你已經就是說他們沒有去培養這樣的默契起來"},{"start":9821.095,"end":9840.6,"text":"其實有時候我們這些運動員遇到問題的時候他不見得就可以馬上得到他所需要的這些相關的幫助相關的資助所以說從培訓期間我們慢慢培養這樣的信任感起來我們就希望說是一個長期的是一個長期起來的信任感那如果你國訓中心一直留不住這些人才"},{"start":9841.44,"end":9857.433,"text":"那對我們的運動員相對的也算是一種資源沒有辦法給他一個強力的後盾所以這個部分呢我希望說次長我再次跟您提了你聽到今天我再次跟您提醒了我們對於我們國訓中心運動心理人員不足的這個部分我們盡量趕快把人員補足再來我們這個整個薪資的結構可以盡快的來做研議做調整讓我們這些人"},{"start":9867.681,"end":9880.299,"text":"這些運動心理人員可以適時的提供給我們運動員他們所需要的幫助,可以嗎?是的,我想委員剛剛提到的關於國慶中心那個不足編的人數的部分,我們會盡快請國慶中心來聘組"},{"start":9883.002,"end":9883.962,"text":"主席你再給我20秒就好了"},{"start":9912.473,"end":9917.538,"text":"市長我這邊要跟您提醒今天早上的這個強震全台搖晃不停到現在餘震都還不斷那請我們教育部這邊一定要趕快請我們當地的教育局處趕快盤點我們學校如果有什麼地方需要協助的請教育部這邊一定要全力來協助需要幫助的這個"},{"start":9930.031,"end":9930.932,"text":"范允媛委員"},{"start":9954.425,"end":9954.746,"text":"謝謝召委有請次長跟署長"},{"start":9963.867,"end":9972.889,"text":"次長署長早安今天我還是繼續追我之前問過的我們體育協會裡面的性別平等的議題應該署長會記得我去年就針對國民體育法第39條第4項3款希望可以明定特定體育團體的理事任意性別不能低於三成"},{"start":9988.352,"end":10013.443,"text":"後來教育部給我的報告就是說單項協會理事的女性比例我看到只有17.63%我的修法的部分我想署長這邊給我的報告好像覺得就是說目前比較沒辦法做到你們體育署有講到說在你們的努力下其實有進展你們的努力下就是"},{"start":10014.784,"end":10031.971,"text":"理事會女性達成比率是24.6 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地震跟體育有什麼關係"},{"start":11284.894,"end":11306.475,"text":"地震跟體育,基本上當然遇到地震的時候我們必須要緊急做一些應變上的處理,平常有運動平常有好的體育基本上應該是比較能夠更適應這樣的狀況。對,像有一支廣告片說地震為什麼還不跑,他就說腳麻怎麼跑,對不對?有記得有看過那影片嗎?"},{"start":11307.896,"end":11323.212,"text":"所以這需要全民運動對不對全民運動很重要那要請問次長全民運動我國全民運動是誰在負責是教育部我們體育署在負責體育署在負責OK好那我們再請這個署長我也好你覺得是你在負責嗎"},{"start":11328.772,"end":11336.018,"text":"這部分目前的確是我們體育署這部分那目前是交由全民運動組來協助這是一個組一個組在負責OK那個署長這個你下一頁"},{"start":11344.705,"end":11363.758,"text":"在這個3月11號的時候體育署有到我們的委員會來做報告當時我就提出終身運動文化的這個臨時提案然後這個你們3月20號就回文了就回文了這個6頁"},{"start":11367.715,"end":11375.301,"text":"6頁封面封底這一個就是目錄這扣除裡面的內容只是附貼110年台灣愛運動2.0的計畫幾乎一模一樣"},{"start":11382.277,"end":11405.013,"text":"那請問這是什麼意思報告委員這部分是我們全民主這邊我在314跟委員來拜訪之後呢那我回去也跟全民主這邊來做要求那的確他們當時時間是不太夠目前的進度大概說我請全民主要跳脫運動愛台灣這種概念因為特別在委員提到的在壯年這一件"},{"start":11405.853,"end":11423.021,"text":"這個世代它所應該要進行的事情我們希望全民主可以擺脫運動愛台灣2.0這個概念來做重新的一個思考那這部分他們的確也在腦力激盪當中那它包括您之前有提到我們在壯年運動會這件事情我們體育署該有的一些作為的部分我們也都在進行"},{"start":11425.082,"end":11434.728,"text":"我給你們一個月時間,你們很快的9天就回文了,那回文就是應該講的就是夫言了事,就是隨便應付一下"},{"start":11439.551,"end":11466.696,"text":"那對於這個,這個其實是對藐視國會喔就對委員所提出的質詢不當一回事那我不曉得這什麼意思就是好像我們本會不重要還是報告委員這部分我一定在強力的要求當中所以需要在進一步溝通那這一點再來提到全民運動這個一來我們的人口這個"},{"start":11469.909,"end":11491.115,"text":"這個高齡的運動比例只有大概三成但是我們的不健康愚民就臥床長達到八年以上這臥床跟運動應該有關係吧是解決臥床應該最好的不是長照吧應該是運動那這個是體育署的當者的責任嗎"},{"start":11496.636,"end":11508.264,"text":"這部分我們會再跟國民健康署一起來合作那你們以前有嗎?有在討論這事情嗎?目前我們還在自己先在做腦力激盪的用來腦力激盪?他們也不找你?你也不找他這樣?我們現在先找專大學者來跟我們協助因為這部分我們的同仁的確他目前一直還沒辦法突破"},{"start":11516.949,"end":11539.669,"text":"對一直沒有這個觀念一直沒有這個觀念就覺得我體育就搞好體育他那個他那個其實這個是運動是高齡社會最好的解方嘛台灣現在已經邁入高齡社會但是現在好像體育署剛才在談的全民運動這個目前似乎沒有列入到我們國家體育政策裡面好 下一位"},{"start":11540.908,"end":11553.489,"text":"那這個叫壯世代的運動其實在各年齡層當中比例最高他們非常希望運動 熱愛運動但是他們運動都在做什麼呢"},{"start":11554.75,"end":11576.06,"text":"散步 走路 健走其他的沒有什麼選擇都超到一半的人所從事的所以人民只能自求多福啦這麼龐大的 重在現在55歲上有800萬人他們每天都在走路這樣子那這個國家這個置之不管"},{"start":11578.081,"end":11578.421,"text":"市長有發現這是一個契機"},{"start":11614.465,"end":11632.339,"text":"目前整個的就是空中羅格式的空中羅格式就是沒有根嘛沒有根就是我們沒有全民運動那選九村就成為孤島我們能夠培養的招募的選手有限然後呢選手得了獎以後"},{"start":11633.881,"end":11649.037,"text":"沒有一個市場沒有市場沒有消費者那國手就會淪為孤鳥那整個的就是靠國家培養少數的精英沒有完整的這個就是一個空中羅格式的體育政策"},{"start":11649.998,"end":11675.508,"text":"目前看起來是這樣報告委員我們在從很多年前從打造運動島到後來的全民這個運動愛台灣我想主要的目的也是希望到我們的各縣市能夠鼓勵我們各個年齡層的人族群來參與運動那目前的確有在做但是呢的確它的比例呢還不如預期那這部分的確有這個共識是有這個共識那我們今年也是希望到村裡認證這件事情來"},{"start":11676.989,"end":11703.931,"text":"大家會看高齡者不僅是散步、跑步而已可以有這麼多彩多姿的國外很多的項目而且這個不僅可以發展健康產業、文化產業這是國力壯世代是一個很重要的關鍵那你可能會覺得你的經費不夠去跟衛福部要"},{"start":11704.811,"end":11719.958,"text":"衛福部的社福預算今年已經到了八千億了就是都做長照做什麼其實如果從積極的雅健康這邊把它撞起來的話事實上我們那邊是可以減少了國家的資源就可以重新分配是嗎"},{"start":11720.538,"end":11737.66,"text":"包括委員我想這部分對我自己來講個人來講當然不是錢的問題是我們的同仁這部分在腦力這方面他從來沒有接觸到這樣的觀念我很感謝委員特別提到這樣子的觀念帶給我們所以我們目前正在開始除了運動在台灣之外我們希望能夠更積極地把產業這一塊帶動起來"},{"start":11740.222,"end":11763.914,"text":"所以一起努力這個也不僅是這裡就是我們長期一直很侷限的我們的視野跟眼光那這也是剛才提到了這個壯世代擁有三分之二財富熱愛運動但是沒有產業沒有選項大家要怎麼樣的去賺不要什麼事情都靠國家什麼東西要國家養選手國家養整個市場是非常龐大"},{"start":11768.116,"end":11776.64,"text":"選手那個消費者是非常龐大的體育署我們的體育部要整個的形成一個產業鏈可以促成的這個循環的經濟"},{"start":11780.256,"end":11799.098,"text":"所以現在有一個契機來了就2025年世界壯年運動會在雙北舉行那其實上次我就在質詢這件事情也跟這個署裡面的結果署裡面的回應非常的冷淡那這件事情跟他們無關"},{"start":11801.984,"end":11803.984,"text":"這根本不是體育活動,這是一個同樂會。"},{"start":11827.053,"end":11851.085,"text":"這個就是世界壯臉運動會35項各縣市的合作明年也是進入台灣這個超高齡社會所以各縣市都非常重視這兩個議題交叉起來是做全民運動的最好契機來推廣所以請體育署要提出一個計畫跟雙北怎麼樣跟他們合作怎麼支援"},{"start":11852.586,"end":11855.668,"text":"接下來我們請吳佩奕委員謝謝主席我請教育部次長請次長"},{"start":11886.688,"end":11892.81,"text":"市長好今天早上有地震發生所以我要想要就我們教育部針對我們學校災情通報協助相關事項跟您簡單幾點詢問因為今天發生地震之後我們台北市我的母校金梅女中高三因為我們立學樓鋼筋裸露的情況所以高三今天是停課的"},{"start":11907.433,"end":11927.4,"text":"臺北市大安區民主11月中旬也是宣布停課那我們看到花蓮女中也是傳出相當嚴重的災情所以我想就我們過去我們都慣例都是有相關通報機制目前為止我們收到多少學校有災情的通報根委包括因為一島就來這個立法院這邊備詢所以我手上目前還沒掌握到這個資訊"},{"start":11928.78,"end":11954.847,"text":"不過基本上因為我們針對那個這個如果發生這個重大包含的地震等等這些部分我們都有那個那個消音通報的這個系統所以各個學校各縣市政府就會上消音通報的部分去報這個相關的這個災情那教育部呢也會統計這個災情的一個狀況當然也會看情況嚴重的部分我們國教署這邊也會去做一個這個實地上的一個所以我們都是有相關依照相關的機制在通報"},{"start":11956.767,"end":11961.05,"text":"今天還有發生的事情是在我們的臺北市因為捷運停駛雲湖縣甚至停駛到10點新北環狀縣更是發生有軌道樑柱位移所以到下班前可能都無法恢復通車所以今天人事總署有宣布說上班上課若有因災情導致大眾運輸暫停"},{"start":11983.985,"end":11984.385,"text":"我們現在授權給學校來處理嗎?"},{"start":12010.445,"end":12023.923,"text":"市長我是建議因為像今天有好幾則的錯誤訊息的發布讓大家以為說以為要停班停課結果後來發現是錯誤的訊息所以在災難當下是訊息的正確性"},{"start":12025.021,"end":12026.222,"text":"接下來我請體育署署長 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那署長接下來我就要講我剛剛講的我們有信任的問題那最重要的核心其實是來自於我們應該台灣的職業運動員"},{"start":12304.835,"end":12325.329,"text":"的權益的保障,真的到了應該要趕快改進的時刻了,署長。那這部分我們在昨天我們也是把藍血的代表,還有工會代表,球員代表,還有我們的足協的代表,大家找過來,開始教他們分享他們的這部分。署長,我們的直藍團體協約啊,今年會不會簽訂?"},{"start":12329.667,"end":12343.398,"text":"報告委員,我們今年會針對國家對選手的權益的部分由我們現在委託一位鄭大來的林教授來進行一個公版的部分但是針對細節所謂的兩雙方,因為他不是顧主跟球員的關係他不算是團體協議,他是雙方的協議,因為他不是顧主跟球員的關係但是呢,精神是一樣,那這部分談,我們正在主導他們談的期程,但的確這個談啊,需不需要"},{"start":12356.047,"end":12378.149,"text":"有公會﹖有當然﹖是不是需要有球員代表﹖一定要﹖要嘛﹖對﹖那昨天啊這個招開了一個藍協招開一個跨聯盟的9人小組藍協對外發布的聲明說這9人小組的代表名單是你們體育署建議的而署長請問這9人小組當中哪一位是公會代表"},{"start":12378.715,"end":12400.484,"text":"報告委員這部分主要是針對國家對他的整個徵召的制度的部分去做討論但是呢跟我們之前一個團體的協議就是兩不同的事件不同的事件但是我認為精神應當是一致的所以署長我希望你能夠再去研議也去聆聽各方的意見我們希望既然你是專案小組嘛"},{"start":12401.784,"end":12408.27,"text":"就是需要有成員的代表性我們希望能夠有代表性的球員來參與藍鞋這跨聯盟的小組針對主訓的討論好不好好 署長那再來要跟你討論的是我們運動產業的這個界線這個畫面上我們的外援啦啦隊署長你認為這屬不屬於我們"},{"start":12425.285,"end":12425.465,"text":"運動產業,應援啦啦隊,屬不屬於運動產業?"},{"start":12444.657,"end":12453.283,"text":"四屬是是還是不是廣義上或可歸屬那請問狹義上可不可以歸屬我這邊要告訴你的是運動產業的定義非常的重要因為過去我在地方議會你們體育署的對運動產業的定義會影響到我們地方政府對於我們運動產業每一年產值的評估甚至當出現爭端像台北市當年火爆團的這個事件"},{"start":12470.834,"end":12474.977,"text":"就發現說這到底是運動產業還是這個教育機關要管理的這非常多的模糊地帶會導致我們管理上面無所適從像我自己的街舞老師像很多街舞教室他們開教室之後要申請補助的時候文化局說不屬於他們的體育局說不屬於他們的教育局說不屬於他們的"},{"start":12491.488,"end":12510.643,"text":"但是要法規要管理的時候每一個單位都認為他們可以管街舞教室所以署長我希望我們這個對運動產業的項目的定定好定義要把它理清清楚我不能接受說你們這麼中央的運動最高全國最高主管機關回覆給我的我只不過詢問你一個項目它究竟是不是屬於我們"},{"start":12511.283,"end":12511.423,"text":"好 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Games其實我到現在也不知道該怎麼翻啦到底是大師大師的那個賽事呢還是這個壯年賽事"},{"start":12653.209,"end":12654.49,"text":"主辦單位寫出來的Mr."},{"start":12654.49,"end":12661.834,"text":"Games,體育署這個部分不知道有哪些作為是讓我們在明年那個賽事雙北舉辦的這個Mr."},{"start":12661.834,"end":12671.781,"text":"Games能夠有好的成績,而且能夠有好的口碑?目前我們分兩部分,一部分當然是報名的部分,我們就是在我們的國際組這邊也協調我們也幫"},{"start":12675.363,"end":12700.678,"text":"雙北舉辦了幾次的會議來找各個協會甚至我們現在也希望他們各個協會來協助來找其他鄰近國家的這個他們的國家的單項協會這部分來鼓勵他們的選手能夠來報名參加那在國內的部分我們目前的體系是希望透過一個腦力激盪來看看怎麼樣去鼓勵我們的縣市能夠針對他們縣市裡面的民眾來做一個比方說培訓營我們來給他補助來鼓勵他"},{"start":12703.82,"end":12728.986,"text":"主要的重點還是在於我們的民眾趁有這個機會能夠來投入這個運動來養成一個規律運動的習慣好的 謝謝署長目前至少這樣一些作為至少我們這些壯世代的不會覺得一直被歧視那我這邊也提出一些建議我也希望國訓中心或者是運科中心現在感覺上比較強健不知道在2025年"},{"start":12731.286,"end":12737.41,"text":"這個賽事當中是不是也可以有一些角色那因為您剛才講到我們會您這邊已經開始運作期待其他國家一起來參加這個賽事那我之前的這個質詢也感到很很遺憾那今年的賽事今年在澳洲的Master Games我自己的項目沒有我沒有機會去參加但是呢我期待明年這個我是一定會報名的所以在"},{"start":12755.579,"end":12776.071,"text":"明年這個賽事我期待不僅是很多國家的人來參與那我也很期待因為我們是地主國嘛那在這個賽事裡面我們如果能夠有很好的成績那我想這個不僅是對城市空間有很大的影響那對於整個全民體育應該也是有很大的一個正面的衝擊讓我們能夠再往更好的方向走"},{"start":12776.471,"end":12776.631,"text":"主席"},{"start":12802.517,"end":12803.797,"text":"謝謝委員提點我想這部分我們也因為今天第一次聽到我想我們就來後續跟兩位執行長來討論看看能夠什麼樣新創的想法來進行"},{"start":12822.102,"end":12838.063,"text":"好的謝謝署長所以就請把這個部分列入那如果可以集大家一起來討論那我想應該會有更多的腦力激盪你就不用一直滑腦筋其實有很多事情要處理了還要處理這種content的內容或許我們可以找多一點不同面向的人一起來討論"},{"start":12839.384,"end":12842.767,"text":"好 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的確是因為他這個法律專家告訴我們一個"},{"start":13455.471,"end":13462.117,"text":"嚴格講起來 但是雙方還是有協議只是說不叫團體協約我告訴你 我也是法律專家我也是法律專家不一定要有雇傭不一定是承攬跟雇傭的關係才可以去簽團體協約或者說是參在協議你就有上對下 那本來就是可以啦我們一起來促成把那個心態給轉變啦我們用這個精神去做不是要跟你爭辯啦大家都希望他能好嘛我看早上問的都不同黨派啊是"},{"start":13482.834,"end":13490.583,"text":"大陸你這個整個運動這個一個國力嘛不管是誰來執政這個部分齊省我們有來主導啦是這個你真的好嗎不要拖啦他們在拼你我們開什麼玩笑我們是給你們搭橋樑耶你們是屬住耶"},{"start":13499.471,"end":13500.832,"text":"藍協對外說明6月會想辦法讓國際法來修法通過"},{"start":13520.303,"end":13526.97,"text":"其實不是這樣啦其實行政院的那個版本已經送到立法院等待內政委員會的一個排審啦從藍協宣稱要跟兩位洋將談規劃以後上週末又多了一位夢想家的洋將有意來規劃多了這麼多的一個選擇其實球迷五味雜成"},{"start":13539.042,"end":13547.286,"text":"期待：又怕被落空啦 這個很怕期待又落空 亞洲各個國家都積極去爭取規劃 這個都已經是常態了本席也不斷在提醒我們體育署 儘早去延伸規劃相關的一個政策可是到現在我真的還是沒有看到啦 本席看到體育署跟攔血都是被動在等待那個修法 我也算不上你的心態"},{"start":13561.232,"end":13566.137,"text":"不夠積極啦,我認為有更多方向可以主動去做。你說,你去看,你看亞洲,通常有幾種方式,連黎巴嫩跟敘利亞,他們就用論見計酬的方式,訂定出這個出賽的一個合約。日本,他們就靠健全聯賽,政府沒有給規劃任何補助跟薪水喔,但透過聯賽的一個制度啊,增設特殊的資格,球隊就有外掛。"},{"start":13585.075,"end":13587.437,"text":"求員就變成高薪提高規劃的一個誘因。"},{"start":13602.91,"end":13603.07,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":13625.12,"end":13626.782,"text":"待會是2013年合會為例,你來看那1個月2萬的美金阿到培訓期間15000個月美金阿未來規劃人數如果增加的話你會繼續再補助嗎?"},{"start":13638.049,"end":13643.691,"text":"報告委員這部分我們不會全部補助我們還是依照國家隊的需求不是每一位想要規劃我們全部都會來進行這樣加油這個啦我這個以前國中都太高級了我現在在關心哪級啦就是看不下去啦你那個齁國際外還沒有修高專規劃難度還在但是有一條書薰的規劃可以走你看你現在藍鞋的國際賽事分級每一年辦全世界就是一級賽事啊"},{"start":13661.798,"end":13664.019,"text":"張雅玲委員張委員執行完畢之後我們就立即處理臨時提案"},{"start":13691.84,"end":13691.98,"text":"張委員好"},{"start":13702.631,"end":13728.327,"text":"次長跟署長好那因為我一直都非常關心這個運動產業的一個發展那我想我就直接來切入主題就是說我們其實在這幾年我們一直在看今天我們這次看到那個體育署的報告發現就是說我們的運動產業好像很強調這個軍政底碎跟黃牛票還有防堵機制那其實我蠻訝異的因為其實我們應該還有更多事情可以做也因為我們有更多事情可以做所以我們去年去中國還有日本去考察了"},{"start":13728.807,"end":13731.468,"text":"運動產業發展條例第15條中央應該來協助直轄市或法人設置運動產業園區現在已經113年了這麼多年了我們有地方政府來申請過嗎?"},{"start":13758.264,"end":13774.989,"text":"跟委員報告一下目前大概應該包含我了解包含有那個屏東的棒球園區啦國際棒球園區還有台中的足球園區都有跟教育部申請前瞻的經費補助我們現在只有兩個是嗎只有兩個是不是那我想我們"},{"start":13777.049,"end":13792.418,"text":"我們還是應該來積極的鼓勵縣市政府來做這個申請因為我們從去年去考察的時候我們也發現中國的一些模式在調整從競技運動改成是全民運動那他們的模式內容也非常的多元"},{"start":13793.999,"end":13797.202,"text":"為什麼只有兩個縣市?我們有沒有檢討過原因是什麼?是法規太嚴還是誘因不夠?我們有沒有相關的一些檢討方案?"},{"start":13814.721,"end":13830.022,"text":"這個部分基本上因為包含了那個土地的所有權、管理權都是在地方政府所以可能地方政府本身要去做一些的評估適合的發展運動項目然後中央的部分會配合地方那麼一起來做一個補助跟建制處理"},{"start":13830.871,"end":13833.794,"text":"這個部分我們再跟縣市政府再來做一個努力看看是不是還有其他縣市政府有這樣的意願"},{"start":13851.715,"end":13871.043,"text":"好,那我們會後繼續討論這一題再來就是說其實我們也去日本我們也去日本考察了這個日本的奧林匹克學院博物館國訓中心、運科中心還有這個璞河紅磚足球俱樂部還有Red Tokyo 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即將於明年舉辦．目前對於提升國人參與試壯運方式．除了降低國人報名費外．僅有在交通運輸系統上投放廣告等措施．恐怖化有效提升國人的參與．"},{"start":14498.401,"end":14518.059,"text":"對中生運動文化的注意顯有不足．而要求體育署階級與雙北市政府研議相關協助視壯運參與者之運動課程．並於2個月內提出書面報告與立法院教育及文化委員會．而無存成連署人科之間孔孟凱林見其第6案"},{"start":14518.96,"end":14533.722,"text":"有鑒於私校退場停辦持續發生．私校退場條例條文規定似乎未真完善．有關列為專案輔導學校．儼然成為確定宣告結束對象．再次立高等"},{"start":14534.443,"end":14562.832,"text":"高級中等以上學校退場條例未在進行嚴寧完成修訂條文之前應針對現階段專案輔導學校提出積極輔政因應措施與行政作為提案人林倩琦聯署人葛如軍博廷偉第7案有鉅於國家代表隊運動員與國際上為國爭光但現行我國對於國家代表隊及職業運動員的保障未爭完備也要求教育部應於3個月內"},{"start":14564.492,"end":14592.048,"text":"提出國家代表隊及運動員權益保障專法送本院審議以維護國家代表隊運動員之權利與義務提案人萬美玲玲 倩琦 洪孟凱 柯之恩 羅廷維 葛如軍第8案有鉛與此次巴黎奧運處於夏季加上法國為了環保選手村並未裝設冷氣空調設備為了避免選手受到高溫影響比賽原請教育部比照外國代表隊"},{"start":14592.968,"end":14608.266,"text":"為巴黎奧運中華台北國家代表隊提供移動式水冷氣或相關降溫的設備以維護選手身心健康提升賽場競爭力提案人萬美玲林倩琦羅廷偉克之恩葛如軍第9案"},{"start":14608.806,"end":14627.225,"text":"有鑒於現有部分私校與教師因契約內容明定轉職離校需支付賠償軍事約定．建請教育部應嚴寧將離校賠償相關不合宜事項．若不可約定事項提案人林倩琦葛如君陳培瑜第10案鑒於誠信為運動產業經營之根本"},{"start":14630.928,"end":14652.708,"text":"查目前政府實際投入與假求防制相關預算僅僅調相關法制教育宣導計畫或國中軍費200萬元．並要求提署日半年內與國內球員工會共同會商以2025年上路為目標．完成相關球員工會自主提撥防堵性脫支獎勵機制與要點"},{"start":14655.49,"end":14667.937,"text":"實質對整體職業運動防堵作出貢獻．已交政府對於假求防制之決心提案人吳佩奕﹑莊瑞雄聯署完成培育﹑李一錦 郭益晴宣布完畢好 我們第一段第一段委員有沒有需要做補充說明的沒有 那"},{"start":14681.54,"end":14681.7,"text":"黃文凱委員"},{"start":14697.415,"end":14721.605,"text":"有關成立體育發展部的部分是總統當選的一個政見不過總統當選要520之後才會正式上任所以如果三個月的話就扣掉這幾個月大概就比較那個所以我們希望是520之後新的總統上任之後來做一個相關的研議所以我們需要這個六個月的時間 以上說明 謝謝"},{"start":14724.063,"end":14751.796,"text":"因為其實這是第10屆的時候我們捷運委員就已經有提出那我想這是共同大家要來努力的目標方向我同意給6個月的時間了好不好確實要做規劃那我們也已經有提出這個組織運動發展部的一個組織法的一個這個立法那我們也會送到這個交融文化委員會我們也希望行政部門可以進一步提出相關的一個這個專法的一個共同討論以上"},{"start":14753.37,"end":14753.39,"text":"紅夢凱委員"},{"start":14763.53,"end":14784.066,"text":"那第二項的部分的話也是建議是不是我們提案人跟連署員的委員的部分是不是能夠同意倒數第二行因為這邊提到並保證未來不在基建選手應得費用那我們建議因為這個是屬於單向協會的這個部分所以是不是那個保證這兩個字是不是可以改為落實這兩個字以上說明謝謝"},{"start":14788.047,"end":14801.946,"text":"其實落實跟保證都一樣重點是不要再積欠選手應得費用身為主管機關應該要更積極來去處理那我先講三個月內要提出具體的作為"},{"start":14803.027,"end":14831.738,"text":"就是今天你的報告我其實本席是不滿意的就出場費不是說讓協會跟選手去喬我想出場費真的沒得喬啊你可以討論是說費率到底多少但是沒有喬說什麼我這一場可以付那一場不用付好像很多委員都有質詢過我們稍微也質詢了我同意改成落實兩個字但是重點我的前面是在前面三個月內要提出具體要求作為不能讓以後還有發生積欠選手應得費用的事情再發生"},{"start":14834.801,"end":14851.658,"text":"文字修正後通過第3案次長我們配合辦理照案通過第4案是林憲熙委員提案但次長"},{"start":14853.288,"end":14867.947,"text":"文字上我們建議是做一些修正那包含了第一行那個左訓中心因為我們現在叫國訓中心所謂修正的國訓中心第二行也是一樣那第四行的部分的話也修正了國訓中心"},{"start":14869.729,"end":14895.843,"text":"最後兩行的部分建議修比較大的文字就是請體育署那個文字請維持試運會那個部分的文字建議修正為請體育署輔導高雄市政府依使用者需求評估研議試運足場館跑道面層材質與奧運規格相符然後最後一行的部分並召開專家會議研議"},{"start":14901.132,"end":14925.892,"text":"國訓中心,我們這個部分也跟我們天安人林委員大概也有做了一些意見這樣的交換所以林委員,林委員同意,那我們就是修正後通過來我們第5案次長第5案的部分的話是倒數第二行我們建議是不是2個月能夠修正為3個月來請委員能夠支持,謝謝那吳孫成委員"},{"start":14930.387,"end":14939.094,"text":"他2個月修成3個月要以專家學者專業單位要先開,不要閉門造區"},{"start":14944.281,"end":14946.262,"text":"提出積極後面兩個字的部分 建議修正為輔導因應措施 以上說明 謝謝"},{"start":14969.155,"end":14969.315,"text":"我們看第7案"},{"start":14995.697,"end":15022.995,"text":"那第7案的文字的建議修正就是倒數第4行保障那麼把後面的文字做一個刪除不足然後接到第3行原要求教育部應於3個月內演繹提出那後面國家代表隊及運動員權利保障那個專法的部分我們建議是不是能夠修正為機制然後說明報告送本委員會以上說明 謝謝"},{"start":15023.655,"end":15049.841,"text":"好 萬文委員完全不接受我想這樣子因為早上那個署長其實有提到說因為我們現在有國民體育法但是我們看到國民體育法其實只是授權體育署去訂立相關的辦法那既然我們也願意來訂立相關的辦法去保障選手的權益啦那我們既然要這樣做那我們把它制定專法把這一項我們大家都共同願意做提到法的位階其實沒有什麼不對啦"},{"start":15052.041,"end":15069.228,"text":"如果說你對於我現在要求說我們三個月把它提出來那事實上其實這也很需要很急那你對於三個月假設是有意見在這裡我覺得我們可以再來研議但是如果說你沒有辦法做這個專法這件事情只能用什麼機制啊這種含糊帶過的其實本性大概沒辦法接受"},{"start":15069.588,"end":15069.648,"text":"關於商業保險"},{"start":15087.027,"end":15088.488,"text":"提到法的未接絕對是只有好處沒有壞處可以更保障我們的這個"},{"start":15101.733,"end":15102.033,"text":"這一點我是沒辦法接受"},{"start":15121.454,"end":15128.243,"text":"那個署長我萬委員的題目上面是三個月嚴議提出嚴議提出好不好"},{"start":15132.622,"end":15158.059,"text":"他是演繹提出啊所以你沒有在辦法你不需要在他的專法的這個地方去做因為他只是演繹提出啊他裡面你還是有很多的討論空間嘛好不好那個謝謝主席把他特別點出來所以其實本席本來看到就是體育署跟我們的溝通啊連演繹這件事情他們都不願做我覺得非常的寒心啦所以這一點我們是沒有辦法退讓的為了保障我們選手啊運動員的權益啊我是希望我們按照本席的這個臨時提案來辦理"},{"start":15159.98,"end":15164.021,"text":"這個主席我們是很支持我們體育署要就國家代表隊還有運動員權益我們一定要來支持但是要用辦法還是上升到專法我覺得這個要去討論尤其是我認為體育署對於我們現行到底這些球員需要什麼樣的權益我認為體育署的掌握"},{"start":15177.805,"end":15177.945,"text":"好 發言委員委員"},{"start":15206.758,"end":15223.705,"text":"我的意見跟剛剛配議委員一樣我覺得體育署應該要把如何保障這個部分去研究清楚其實我個人是認為外媒林委員主張的專法非常好但是如果不是專法只要能夠強而有力的行政命令的辦法我也覺得OK"},{"start":15225.506,"end":15226.587,"text":"以上當然我尊重署長的判斷"},{"start":15241.325,"end":15262.976,"text":"好 署長我們講是不管是專法還是剛剛委員所提到的研議這個部分裡面你是不是可以做通盤來做一個分析然後告訴我們到最後你覺得用哪一個方式其實最能夠保障因為大家最後的目標都是在保障我們的運動員的權益那萬美玲委員對於他們這樣子研議這樣子的一個部分 OK"},{"start":15265.543,"end":15282.552,"text":"本來我就是講演繹啊,就是要專法啊我們不接受機制這件事情啊本來就是要他演繹啊就是維持用專法這兩個字啦但是剛剛有提到了幾個文字的修正是不是就同意我們的文字上的修正"},{"start":15285.012,"end":15306.341,"text":"文字的修正要怎麼修正包含剛剛提到倒數第4行保障不足然後原要求教育部因應三個月研議但是這裡沒有問題啊對對對 是的還有本院的部分就反正送本委員會對 其他文字是不是同意我們修正以上說明 謝謝這不用刪掉 為什麼要刪掉要求教育部後面都不要動"},{"start":15311.508,"end":15314.231,"text":"後面的那個本院是不是改成本委員會?好"},{"start":15334.966,"end":15355.242,"text":"修正後的文字是從倒數第一環開始對國家代表隊選手之權利義務及權益保障不足委員要求教育部應於三個月延預提出國家代表隊及運動員權益保障專法送本委員會以維護國家代表隊運動員之權利與義務謝謝"},{"start":15360.844,"end":15364.205,"text":"文字修正後通過第8案第9案建議修正文字是倒數第二行建請教育部研擬兩個字改成評估"},{"start":15388.069,"end":15409.098,"text":"那個文字上面做一些修正,把嚴禮變成評估嚴禮跟評估到底差別在哪裡?你們這教育部現在是到底對你們有什麼任何的壓力嗎?對啊,你就照案通過嘛,幹嘛搞嚴禮跟評估是怎樣?那他們回答是什麼?"},{"start":15416.237,"end":15429.485,"text":"主要的部分的話因為這個裡面的話涉及到那個那個學校跟教師的這個契約的部分因為這個是屬於那個是私立學校"},{"start":15440.012,"end":15441.153,"text":"我們尊重我們原提案人我們林婉允的意見"},{"start":15470.134,"end":15470.294,"text":"第10議案"},{"start":15495.202,"end":15496.483,"text":"主席、各位委員、請次長"},{"start":15528.084,"end":15545.666,"text":"政委好 社長好 辛苦了今天早上我們正好在教育文化委員會要準備遲詢簽到的時候發生大地震 這個花蓮是最嚴重"},{"start":15546.929,"end":15566.449,"text":"那這個花蓮女中目前所知道的花蓮女中的校舍嚴重的歸類損壞這個是真的是非常嚴重還好沒有倒塌這個是花蓮女中的一個校舍損壞的情形"},{"start":15568.582,"end":15587.601,"text":"這個部分因為這個是國立的所以是教育部主管的所以除了這個教育部主管的這個部分之外包括這個地方政府縣立的無論是國中國小這個不曉得目前你們的資訊如何"},{"start":15589,"end":15609.23,"text":"跟委員報告我想在地震發生之後我們都有那個通報校門通報系統所以各縣市跟各學校的部分都會進到我們校門通報系統來做一個通報那我們會整體了解各個學校的一個災損的一個情形如果是屬於這種比較重大性的災害的部分會同會勘然後對於運用那個重大災害的相關的一個這個"},{"start":15616.614,"end":15616.834,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":15640.509,"end":15648.473,"text":"運動選手最基本的從國小到國中、高中到大學"},{"start":15650.451,"end":15678.785,"text":"這個整個到後來整個GU的選手的一個協助都是要基本上GU的體育人才的就學跟深愛輔導基本上都已經比較制度化了都在進行之中但是對於這個我們GU的這些選手的權益像這個就業的部分"},{"start":15679.793,"end":15692.459,"text":"我很多的朋友、我們這一代的這些體育的老師普遍都認為現在的就業的輔導不以往"},{"start":15696.602,"end":15713.801,"text":"我這個年代的一個情形所以這個部分也是還是要去做一個通膨的去做固然都有在做比如說你這邊的以這個有關國訓中心以及運動選手就業輔導辦法"},{"start":15717.044,"end":15728.809,"text":"但已基於運動選手轉任運動教練工作已經輔導81位優秀運動選手成為教練然後這個再甄選31名優秀運動選手成為教練這樣的機制當然還要繼續做但是就因為這個是已經"},{"start":15744.076,"end":15744.556,"text":"馬委員我想"},{"start":15769.929,"end":15778.84,"text":"不是所有的體育的老師都是正式的我想目前的確有體育老師有專業教練也的確有代理代課老師的存在"},{"start":15779.934,"end":15782.255,"text":"時間的關係,是不是把這個正式老師的跟業聘顧的"},{"start":15806.107,"end":15806.607,"text":"我們請次長跟署長"},{"start":15837.153,"end":15856.955,"text":"市長好市長好我想今天我們在討論是完善國家代表隊選手的權利義務那我想大家都很重視而且呢我看不分黨派的委員都很支持那尤其剛剛有通過那10個提案裡面幾乎大家都很願意支持但是我覺得不是只有國手"},{"start":15857.575,"end":15880.032,"text":"國家代表隊的選手需要照顧如同你們的業務報告裡面剛剛鄭委員提到的對於各項的運動選手的照顧我們要落實那我就必須再提一點一直以來都不受到重視2011年那時候我們都在談學生選手的參賽沒有保險的保障"},{"start":15880.732,"end":15900.328,"text":"受傷了怎麼辦?抱歉,台語說回家自己顧五歲。那個時候2011年就要討論這個所以後來我知道我們現行的體育署有一個補助辦法它補助辦法規定的是什麼?次長我跟你說就是樓地板的保障"},{"start":15901.4,"end":15921.145,"text":"要求單項協會有賽事的時候投保公共意外責任險而已而這個公共意外責任險的保障是非常的低而且理賠的細目是有很多因素是被排除在外的尤其是我們在比賽學生選手比賽的時候受傷"},{"start":15923.001,"end":15923.601,"text":"事實上都沒有收到保障"},{"start":15945.049,"end":15962.04,"text":"我再跟你講除了這個運動賽事的主辦單位不同而有不同的保障保險還差很大以外我剛剛把你盤點出來我這個只是抓個大項喔各個單項協會你們要求的樓地板就我剛剛講的公共意外責任險"},{"start":15962.841,"end":15977.107,"text":"在辦全國性賽事的時候就是這樣一張保單那很多我們的學生選手在參賽的熱身也好參賽的當時都沒有受到保障第二個你沒有規定綜合性的協會比如說高中體總大專體總體育總會等等有比較好一點點除了公共意外責任險之外還有意外險還有團體傷害醫療險但是我也必須跟次長您說"},{"start":15989.992,"end":15997.301,"text":"公共意外責任險加上意外險加上團體傷害醫療險即使是有比較好一點點還是讓我們參賽的選手"},{"start":16002.21,"end":16002.25,"text":"主席"},{"start":16023.459,"end":16046.848,"text":"保障都不夠都要回歸到選手個人及他的家庭來承擔所有後續的醫療跟復健的負擔這個我覺得不合理啊因為沒有學生選手哪裡來的國手我們今天在談國家代表隊的選手國家代表隊的選手都都是從基層學生選手一級一級的晉級"},{"start":16048.996,"end":16076.377,"text":"不斷的去參加比賽他要奪得名次他才有積分他有得獎他才有出頭天的一天他才能夠成為國家代表隊的選手可是我們對基層的學生選手的保障是如此不足所以我們看到在現實狀況下很多的學生選手他還沒達到他的目標的這個國手之前他可能提早結束了他的選手生涯"},{"start":16078.561,"end":16082.363,"text":"我覺得這對台灣的體育實力還有對國手的培訓來講是一大傷害所以我有召開記者會也謝謝陳培鈺委員還有羅美玲委員還有莊瑞雄委員跟蔡議員有跟我共同提案我們國體法的修法"},{"start":16095.071,"end":16114.39,"text":"不只要把國家代表隊的國手的一個權利義務的保障納入法我還提議我們應該要給我們各級學校校隊的學生選手要給他們周全的保險制度我希望能夠把這個保障入法所以呢請次長跟署長支持好不好"},{"start":16116.394,"end":16144.364,"text":"謝謝何委員我想除了剛剛提到辦理一些賽事的部分有公共責任險或團體保險之外對於學生的部分如果具有學生身份本來就有全民健保還有包含學生團體我都知道問題是保障嚴重不足我們高強度的單項運動的選手跟國手他們參加比賽可能受到的傷害不是我們的全民健保或是學生團保可以支應的"},{"start":16145.504,"end":16164.351,"text":"所以針對委員的這個提案的這個部分那基本上體育署這邊也會那麼來做先期的一個研究跟評估你先期的研究跟評估要多久然後會比照看看這個是不是學生團體保險不能夠用政策保險不過這裡面因為涉及到的包含了這個學生運動員的定義還有包含了這個他跟那個"},{"start":16170.913,"end":16171.113,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":16188.294,"end":16189.175,"text":"謝謝何委員接下來我們請王宏威委員"},{"start":16220.912,"end":16248.898,"text":"謝謝主席 請次長來 請次長次長 剛才我有聽到那個我們的鄭天才委員講到花蓮女中那這個校長說他是民國79年的一個校舍所以呢希望要全部的重建所以我也希望說第一個能夠協助花蓮女中重建因為否則的話這樣的校舍即便你在修修補補也非常困難"},{"start":16249.838,"end":16250.278,"text":"是的,我想第一個"},{"start":16271.987,"end":16294.537,"text":"針對學校的災情我想我們會依照學校的災情來給予全力的協助跟支持那如果是補強或者涉及到重建的部分這個部分我會看優先這個絕對家長完全不能放心那他下個禮拜上課怎麼辦這個的部分基本上我們國教署這邊會"},{"start":16295.717,"end":16321.934,"text":"可不可以趕快回答一下我時間有限你們不會到現在還沒有任何的這個因應對策吧跟委員報告目前這棟校舍的話它是屬於比較低度使用的大概是辦公室還有諮商中心輔導室等等這一些的所以明天下週學生還是同樣回學校上課嗎它沒有影響它這一棟教室是比較是低度使用的它別的那個教室上課是沒有問題"},{"start":16323.115,"end":16350.399,"text":"好,如果你們經過整個的對,我覺得一個當然安全是第一但是受教權也非常重要不要因為這個校舍的損毀然後影響學生受教權那另外我在這邊也具體的要求就是呢現在你們應該立刻今天下午事實上就可以做通令全台灣的各縣市教育局要全面的檢修老舊的校舍"},{"start":16351.039,"end":16371.688,"text":"所以我想次長也是從在台北市我過去在議會裡面就曾經提出我們台北市有非常多的校舍超過50年超過50年大家知道他已經去可以去文資會去報歷史建物我們台北市的校舍已經高達20%到25%的校舍可以直接去文資會去報歷史建物已經到了這樣的一個程度"},{"start":16380.032,"end":16392.106,"text":"所以我們現在每一次每次碰到這樣的強震我們最擔心的就是校舍的安全那因為明天明天就開始休長假所以"},{"start":16393.208,"end":16410.744,"text":"要求你們可不可以立刻的通領全台的教育局要求他們全面的來檢視那該修的修真的應該要去真的我認為就該改建我以前在議會裡面我就一直推動我說你50年以上不要被"},{"start":16411.745,"end":16413.126,"text":"所以你們立刻要讓各縣市政府來報災情"},{"start":16439.202,"end":16457.281,"text":"因為今天時間有限因為是地震像我剛剛講的議題尤其我們台北市大家看到什麼建中洪樓因為它已經是古蹟了它可以比較好的維護我們有好多的已經70年80年它也沒有去報歷史建物然後它的檢修地震的檢修可能是10年20年之前"},{"start":16459.303,"end":16459.403,"text":"羅智強委員"},{"start":16485.441,"end":16492.63,"text":"劉許廷委員．劉許廷委員．劉許廷委員鄭振淺委員．鄭振淺委員．鄭振淺委員嚴寬恒委員．嚴寬恒委員．嚴寬恒委員張祺凱委員"},{"start":16510.694,"end":16515.258,"text":"上個禮拜六很巧我跟署長一起去看中華職棒第一場在大巨蛋開幕賽我先問一下那一天我們在看的時候就有人講說那個大巨蛋搖晃比較厲害對不對今天又第一天到底大巨蛋那個防震地震這個安不安全"},{"start":16538.422,"end":16566.32,"text":"報告委員,我想台北市體育局他應該昨天有大概說明一下,對外說明啦,說當天比賽的時候因為可能因為風大,所以有感受到一些放鬆,那是正常的,對,他說是整個鋼體它是結構是正常的現象,那目前還沒有得到消息,今天還沒有,可能要去看一下,好不好,最重要那麼多人在裡面看齁,那個安全跟防震一定要注意,好不好"},{"start":16567.98,"end":16589.706,"text":"我們終於有一個大的室內巨蛋了美國職棒大聯盟今年海外的開幕賽開幕戰就是在索爾的高瓷天宮巨蛋教育部跟體育署這邊能不能去爭取一下美尼還是奧尼能不能去爭取一下美國職棒大聯盟的海外開幕戰有沒有可能來我們的大巨蛋"},{"start":16591.874,"end":16591.974,"text":"報告委員："},{"start":16612.642,"end":16637.209,"text":"棒球賽事是非常重要的,世界十二強,你隊對不對?你們跟中職那邊準備好了嗎?那部分中職棒鞋都已經談好了,所以這部分在進行當中。怎麼幫忙?大家眾所矚目對不對?你一邊的重要的賽事是經典賽,你看古尼多少人心都跟著這個經典賽走。你隊這個十二強非常非常重要。"},{"start":16637.349,"end":16637.649,"text":"齊凱琪及其他人"},{"start":16659.462,"end":16662.703,"text":"我看到你們對這個球場的幫忙跟補助好像比較多的在目前是在職棒的我是說在嘉義卡隆這個球場"},{"start":16687.765,"end":16689.707,"text":"教育部跟體育署這邊會做什麼樣的幫忙嗎?蘇秉穎 你的所在我們怕直棒阿"},{"start":16707.529,"end":16728.126,"text":"是,但是就是我們以目前自己的組場各個球團的組場這邊優先開始所以你剛剛講的很重要就是如果他們有需求我來跟你講好不好我等一下就回嘉義了我會把這個嘉義人力提出來我就找你了那至少有兩個要請你幫忙有一些職棒的這個賽事能不能到卡龍的這邊去打第二個"},{"start":16728.866,"end":16741.387,"text":"加藝人很喜歡棒球這不只是國球 加藝人這卡弄精神棒球這個原鄉啊那在選手跟教練培訓跟照顧上面這邊能多幫忙一個是場地 一個是人才"},{"start":16742.373,"end":16769.791,"text":"班委員這部分我們會後我來找中職的秘書長來談一下我們這回來配嘉義是因為我們這個運動不是只有棒球看起來有點城鄉差距對不對你在推動這個全民運動有感覺嘛對不對特別是嘉義縣市或者南部很多地方是有弱勢的另外嘉義最近很積極在推動這個基層的高爾夫他們現在在這個西區的全民運動館那邊要規劃一個基層高爾夫的室內練習場"},{"start":16771.653,"end":16793.302,"text":"市長跟我去還是署長跟我去?市長我們好久不見了你跟我去在高雄去看嗎?不是只有基層高爾夫球場棒球這一塊嘉義的這個運動風氣是很盛的黃明慧這方面做得不錯啦市長跟署長有空陪我去看一下好不好對嘉義縣市多幫忙好謝謝"},{"start":16797.329,"end":16803.754,"text":"好 謝謝接下來我們請邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員 伍麗華委員好 謝謝 我們時間4分鐘 謝謝好 謝謝主席 有請次長好 請次長"},{"start":16822.397,"end":16836.532,"text":"市長好今天很高興我們是一起來關心我們的體育選手那我們常常說其實國家的體育政策不應該以培育奧運金牌選手為目標應該是希望能夠打造出培育奧運金牌選手的環境"},{"start":16838.434,"end":16856.81,"text":"那在這個當中其實一直以來我們很關心的就是這一些學生運動員他們其實之所以會退場有的是因為經濟因素那很多呢其實是因為運動傷害那我們常關心的就是說能不能夠更多的運動專業教練進到校園來"},{"start":16859.432,"end":16863.494,"text":"能不能夠有更多的運動防護員進來那能不能夠有更好的一個場館設備讓他們在更安全的環境那今天我們很高興就是談到關於我們這個傷害的一個保險那因為時間的關係從這個揚州杯南蘭保險的爭議我是想說直接來談一下我的訴求"},{"start":16884.522,"end":16913.717,"text":"我是希望說我們不要只專注在這些國家代表隊這些參賽選手也希望呢我們的法令規定能夠再去擴大關照我們所有的學生這一些運動員因為我自己來自教育現場非常的可惜很多頂尖的孩子他其實是到國中就流失一部分然後到高中就流失更多那這對國家來講並不是很好那我是希望說我看到"},{"start":16915.057,"end":16934.411,"text":"關於這一次的這個保險爭議的公聽會教育部這邊有提到的長期目標就是會會同金管會參考高中以下學生及教保服務機構幼兒團體保險條例去研擬體育選手的政策保險所以我希望有關體育選手政策保險的部分"},{"start":16935.111,"end":16940.952,"text":"除了要參照我剛才講的那個保險項目也希望能夠考量體育活動賽事對運動選手造成的高風險調高保障的金額並且參考農民健康保險軍人保險的設計規劃體育選手退訓退役之後的給付那此外呢也希望說在專法中退明定妥善運用運動發展基金跟相關預算來推動體育選手的政策保險"},{"start":16963.797,"end":16981.503,"text":"那對象呢希望不要只集中於國家代表的選手那各階段的體育選手那包括他在各階段的訓練比賽的環境中所遇到的風險也能夠請體育署去參考美國的重大傷害保險計畫優秀學生運動員失能計畫這些機制來規劃各階段體育階段的選手所需要的保險項目那再來就是"},{"start":16990.346,"end":17016.639,"text":"我國雖然目前有國民體育法第23條的規定但是欠缺完整的運動員保險機制那希望體育署就商業保險不足的地方來訂定全體運動員保險專法那並針對上述意見我是希望說就保險的內容保險的對象保險的裁員去研議一個妥適方案那兩個月內希望有一個書面報告跟本席說明以上"},{"start":17017.579,"end":17033.29,"text":"跟委員報告一下,針對委員所提出的意見事實上這個禮拜一,我們政書長大概就已經有邀請保險局還有包含學者專家有一起開會做數目上的意見交換目前來講,大概是商業保險的部分不太可行因為社交保險公司他們會有保險的一些風險"},{"start":17043.097,"end":17043.217,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":17073.054,"end":17078.99,"text":"希望半年我們拿到的報告是研議很完整的好不好是的好 謝謝次長 謝謝主席謝謝吳委員 謝謝"},{"start":17081.414,"end":17106.69,"text":"好 我們謝謝吳委員接下來 許曉欣委員 許曉欣委員 許曉欣委員羅明財委員 羅明財委員 羅明財委員黃國昌委員 黃國昌委員 黃國昌委員陳廷輝委員 陳廷輝委員 陳廷輝委員好 我現在特別給我們剛剛已經跳號過的劉許廷委員3分鐘時間 好嗎謝謝"},{"start":17114.013,"end":17114.174,"text":"體育署長"},{"start":17122.343,"end":17144.945,"text":"最近大家都關心我們中華隊男籃的成績兩場比賽69比89106比53算慘敗當然就很多檢討的聲量我先請教體育署長你覺得我們應不應該在乎國際賽的成績你是在乎還是不在乎我在乎 非常在乎你非常在乎對不對我今天把話講在前面因為有些國家不見得在乎比如說我職業賽做得非常好"},{"start":17145.365,"end":17168.139,"text":"好到我可以不在乎國際賽的成績我也是一個籃球大國這也是一種路線但既然體育署長講在乎那我們就要有在乎的樣子你同意這樣說法嗎是好那這個我們的南南隊長提出了很多的指教跟建議嘛包含集訓陣容不齊全組訓時間過短失能保險規劃球員等等的問題那這些東西喔我們今天在這個簡單的時間來做一下救教我先問喔這個賽事喔衝突協調的問題啦以亞洲盃資格賽來講是2月22號打到2月26號對不對"},{"start":17172.842,"end":17185.399,"text":"中國大陸CBA他的賽程怎麼調整你知道嗎這部分沒有掌握到他年前就停賽一路停到資格賽打完才復賽日本B聯盟你知道嗎他們怎麼處理他們也是提前會11號休賽到31號韓國聯賽2月16號休賽2月28號可是我們呢"},{"start":17191.406,"end":17207.172,"text":"我們目前就是因為有這樣的問題,我們的踢聯盟並沒有因為這樣而停賽,所以我們在昨天也請藍鞋成立一個9人小組,針對未來長期集訓這個賽制、賽程的安排,把球團跟藍鞋聚在一起。這是我今天講的,你當然可以講說這是藍鞋要處理的事情,每一個體育者都講說有協會跟職業賽會,就讓他們去處理就好。"},{"start":17214.335,"end":17234.603,"text":"那我就去問體育署的角色是什麼我們就是來主導這件事情要他來依照大家的期待來做這個安排所以這個九年教育是我們這邊來主義的組長我提醒你啦這些協會的狀況就是一般基層的不管是運動的從業人員或者是球迷對於協會的很多指教很多意見這也不是只有在籃球嘛我們之前講過足球的問題這已經不是一天兩天的事情了"},{"start":17235.063,"end":17257.788,"text":"所以說你不能頭痛一頭腳痛一腳嘛發生事情才來處理沒有意思嘛對不對你照理來講你早就應該做這樣的事啦然後讓這事情再發生不是很糟糕嗎第一個你體育署的角色到底是什麼具體來說你能夠做到哪些事情你會做一個書面報告好不好好第二個問規劃球員的問題現在看起來是用這個書勳的方式個案處理對不對可是我們規劃球員有助於增加國家隊戰力嗎"},{"start":17259.429,"end":17269.455,"text":"系統化的處理跟制度化的處理你有沒有配到方案?藍球這部分絕對有幫助那我們來跟內政部初步的溝通那他們當然高專的部分他們目前行政院版是說為兩年他們現在正在送院準備要來做審查而書訊的部分我們也請教那當然內政部目前的回應是說這個書訊的部分不能隨便使用所以要制度化處理嘛你有多大把握?多久時間內可以處理完?"},{"start":17283.763,"end":17285.224,"text":"這三個部分會後提供書面資料可以嗎?好,沒問題,謝謝主席喔,不好意思"},{"start":17312.546,"end":17339.77,"text":"好謝謝那我們今天我們所有的登記質詢的委員都已經發言完畢另外有羅志強委員、楊瓊英委員、陳廷輝委員提出書面質詢那關於今天會議我們做如下的一個決定我們報告及詢答完畢委員所提的書面質詢或是相關的資料我們都是列入記錄並且刊登公報對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或是來不及答案"},{"start":17340.05,"end":17342.932,"text":"請相關機關盡數以書面來答覆報告委員會我們今天議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝大家謝謝"},{"start":17377.5,"end":17377.961,"text":"MING 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