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等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條"},{"start":339.449,"end":339.97,"text":"議員林宜瑾等19人擬具"},{"start":361.284,"end":374.617,"text":"另外我再次提到如果代理育母我們假設一個狀況幫別人在做代孕的這個所謂的母體她自己本身在她的自己原生的家庭她是一個母親"},{"start":375.638,"end":376.098,"text":"議員林宜瑾等19人擬具⋯⋯"},{"start":392.369,"end":406.23,"text":"等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條"},{"start":408.533,"end":415.602,"text":"擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 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